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stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Figure eights -
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Dear Vikki, At first, I was going to stay away from this one, but because of a single session which became a turning point in my life, I just have to jump in. Hope it doesn't start a ruckus. If so, I won't respond further, so the ruckus will stop. That's not our purpose here. At 08:33 AM 7/24/98 EDT, Gene wrote: (snip) >....religious sites do not lend themselves to RV. (snip) >.....I will simply say that viewing >the face of what I perceived to be God is not possible for a living human >therefore you will not be permitted to view higher than the feet of the >Crucifixion. --------------------------- I had once had several weeks of viewing bad guys and went to the unit director to ask for a little relief from the heavy stuff. "You're a soldier," he said, "suck it up and do your job." For the next two days, I got dope lords and militant crazies as targets, but then, on the third day, I went into the viewing room with my monitor and started the session. The frontloading was, "The target is a person. Describe the person." I started the session, and immediately told the monitor, "I don't know what this guy is supposed to have done, but he didn't do it. - He's not one of the bad guys." The session continued, and I got very strong access to this target person. As site contact grew, I became more and more convinced that this was not an evil person. In fact, I became awe-stricken by the innate goodness I felt from this guy. By the time the session was half way through, I felt like I was glowing all over. I remember that I could feel my cheeks and hands radiating a warm, expansive feeling. It was wonderful. I gained direct access to this person mentally and found myself directly involved with the most perfect human I had ever met. We continued the session together. He was actually very lovingly helping me do my own session. I completed the personality profile procedure and ended the session, but the glow didn't end. In fact, it hasn't yet. That was the most wonderful session I have ever done, and it was a changing point in my life. There was so much love and honesty and friendliness in this person that I began to actually feel love and a total sense of admiration for him. By the end of the session, I felt I could love the table, the chair, the walls, the monitor, life itself, my own existance, etc. Everything which came to my mind was seen in a totally new light. Then the monitor opened the envelope. Printed on the middle of the page was one word: "Jesus". To say that RVing God is an abuse of a God-given ability is the equivalent of saying that praying directly to God is an abuse of prayer. There are some sects, religions and denominations which believe that, and I guess that they would not be able to look God or Jesus in the face. I think that those same people probably believe that the most proper use for a ruler is to crack the knuckles of misbehaving kids. My religious background is that God is a loving god and a warm and welcoming father. I guess Gene will now call me one of the smartass people, but I think that the answer you got from Gene is more Gene than RV, just as the answer you are now getting from me is more me than RV. When Gene approached Jesus, he couldn't go further than to look at His feet. When I approached Jesus, I was welcomed with total openness and love. I'm certainly no better a person than Gene is. I have to think that the difference is one of entrenched belief systems. The answer, then, seems to be that when we view, we bring ourselves into the session with us. If you come into the session believing that God is unattainable, you won't be able to view Him. If you come into the session believing that God will welcome you, you can. I know that one of Liam's most valued sessions was such a religious target. In training and practice sessions in the unit, we used a lot of religious targets. They have good, historically recorded feedback, and therefore make good practice for viewing past events. No one that I know of ever "fell off their chair" viewing the crucifixion or found it impossible to view Jesus or God. >I am a Roman Catholic and I have found that anytime I want to humble and >smartass viewer who begins to think they know it all, I simply provide them >Calvary on the day of the Crucifixion. I have seen Viewers so suddenly thrown >from their altered state..... This comment is not about viewing religious targets, but about a much more basic-to-CRV problem we had in the unit. There is a rule in CRV that the viewer's subconscious has to be ultimately in charge of the session. After all, it is supposed to be the only one in the room which has contact with the target. The issue of "monitor control" has been around for years, and was a constant problem throughout the unit's history. There are many who worked as monitor only who were adamant that the monitor has to be in absolute control of the session. The fact that those sessions always end up in disaster or AOL-ville never phased their resolve. There were others who were also viewers, who are just as adamant that the monitor is there to serve the viewer's subconscious as it does its work. It is an old argument, and you can easily tell which side I am on - and you can also tell which side other people are on, as well. I was never really a fervent supporter of either side of this conflict until the first session I had with Gene as monitor. It was an ERV session. I think that Gene had been in the unit for less than a week, and we hadn't broken him in yet. He was still an interrogator at heart. Anyway, the target was a foreign military leader. I had cooled down and gained the hypnogogic state. Gene, who in spite of this story, is an excellent monitor, eased me into the session by very quitely giving the coordinates. Once I had accessed the man, Gene instructed me to describe him. I always start my personality profile by gaining phyiscal descriptors. Once I have gained full physical contact and can see the person's face clearly, I then move on to the personality profiling procedure. It is just my way of gaining greater site contact. (Yes, I saw the face of Jesus clearly. It wasn't like any picture I've ever seen hanging in a church, so I didn't recognize the face as His.) Anyway, Gene asked for a description of this target person, and when I started describing the man's clothing, Gene shouted at the top of his voice (or so it seemed to me in that hypnogogic state) "DON'T GIVE ME THAT S__T!" Needless to say, after I peeled myself off the ceiling (not physically, so don't go making stories out of it), the session was over. No information of value came from that session. Today, when I train viewers, I begin by telling them that the first, absolute, and totally non-breachable rule of CRV is that "The VIEWER is and must be in absolute and total charge of the session, and that that authority must never be relinquished to the monitor, the trainer, the customer, or anyone else for any reason. I teach that it is the one rule in CRV to which there can be no exceptions. >.....that they get tossed from the bed or sofa on which they are reclining. C'mon, Gene. Wouldn't be some of that good ol' Irish Blarney we keep hearing about, now would it? BTW: Courtney once asked me what Jesus told me in that life-changing session - what instructions He gave me. The only reply I had was that when you're in the presence of Jesus, He doesn't have to tell you what you are or what you must do. You know. Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations 37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285 Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
working the targets?-
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At 05:04 PM 7/24/98 EDT, Gene wrote: >Folks need to read my posting a little closer...everyone once in a while I do >have something of value to say...in this case, I distinctly noted that I teach >and monitor ERV...repeat ERV not CRV repeat CRV...got it...now read my post >again and you will see that I noted you cannot monitor CRV by computer..but I >am working on protocols for monitoring ERV by computer. Thanks, Gene. That cleared up some confusion for me, too. I had read it too quickly, I guess, and did confuse the two. >.....I figured a PHD would >be able to discern the single letter difference and the impact it makes on the >posting since the same PHD was quick enough to let me know just how important >8% was in "scientific terms..." I've been working on the computer too long at a time. For me, "PHD" is getting to mean "Push Here, Dummy!" more and more these days. Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations 37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285 Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Jesus crucifixion day -
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>I thought that Joe McMoneagle was once tasked on Jesus ... (OK, so maybe he >didn't see him, I dunno ...) All I read about was his remark: "Whatever you >think this guy did -- he didn't do it!" > >Anyone know any more about this? > -- John Burke As mentioned in a previous message, that was my session. The monitor was a guy who now calls himself Liam. The comment was because I had done one bad guy after another for weeks on end, and had the STRAY CAT (AOL) that this session was just another bad guy. Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations 37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285 Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com stargate : Message: [stargate]
Thank you darlin . . . -
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<< For those of you who may be interested, Terri has "graduated" magna cum laude from my training and is not working practice targets with me so that we can both perfect the concept of monitoring by computer... etc. etc............. Gene ... the biggest hug and kiss to you and a Thank You, for your kindness, PATIENCE, and generosity, and for all of the times, where your words were my freedoms. . . . . . . . . . . I never could have come this far without you... Remember always..... I am your angel standing by. ~T~ stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Please Invite -
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>I will send an invite if you prefer, or you may do so (let me know by >private >email which you'd prefer.) However, technically, my inviting a person or >them receiving an invite from a friend does not make much difference, >it takes just as long to process. > > Hi Gene , Steve. While you guys were trying to decide who was going to ask her, I asked her. She should be on the net later today. slainte Liam stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Please Invite -
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>While you guys were trying to decide who was going to ask her, I asked her. >She should be on the net later today. Hi Liam, I got her request to join earlier today, and she's been added to the subscriber list. I'm not sure who I've got to thank, but she should be receiving a copy of this message along with the rest of us. So, whoever you are, welcome to the list! :) Best always, Steve. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards -
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Hi Lyn, Welcome to the list! >>.....I figured a PHD would >>be able to discern the single letter difference and the impact it makes on >>the posting since the same PHD was quick enough to let me know just >>how important 8% was in "scientific terms..." >I've been working on the computer too long at a time. For me, "PHD" is >getting to mean "Push Here, Dummy!" more and more these days. Yeah, and is part of the reason I don't ever take a claim at face-value, whoever is saying it.. he can be a PhD with a long string of degrees, but until I see the data, a claim is all it'll be in my books. I've been talking about the possibility of setting up an online experiment to test psi against various things (targets, red/black cards, etc.) The talks become kind of political though, so the planning is are now mostly underground.. when they surface, everyone will know about it though ;) My interest in the red/black binary experiment was sparked by something you'd said on the Art Bell show, actually, so I have you to thank for getting me started down this whole route - thanks, Lyn! :) BTW, the 8% thing. This started as a debate about the idea of setting up an online experiment involving red and black cards. I remembered you saying on the Art Bell Show that you'd been running an extended experiment on it and had got so far 58.3% accuracy.. (hence the 8% thing). Later turns out you said 68.3% and I'd misremembered the first digit (well, two digits out of three isn't bad :), but it did kind of change focus of the debate.. it wasn't a "mere 8.3%" but 18.3%.. Can you tell us a little more abou this experiment? Some have suggested that in the heat of the moment, you may have misremembered from an event long in the past.. and that in the long run you'd only get 50% accuracy.. but I seem to recall you mentioning the red/black experiment was recent and an extended experiment at that. Can you shed any more light on this..? Thanks! :-) Best always, Steve. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Jesus crucifixion day -
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>As mentioned in a previous message, that was my session. The monitor was a >guy who now calls himself Liam. The comment was because I had done one bad >guy after another for weeks on end, and had the STRAY CAT (AOL) that this >session was just another bad guy. Hi Lyn, I remember you mentioning this on the Art Bell show. I always always confused by the part where you said "whatever you think this guy did, he didn't do it" - I'm glad you cleared that up, because I read that to mean he wasn't what Christians believed him to be, that he was the son of God (he didn't do it?). But put in context of all the bad guys you'd had to view the weeks beforehand, I can understand why that comment was funny now =) (He didn't commit the crime..) Cheers, Steve. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Who's in Charge -
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Hi Lyn and all, Liam here. Good to see you posting again Lyn. I was concerned you might be having a computer problem. I considered calling and offering my assistance Chalk one more up for Sheldrake. I was getting ready to post on this matter when I read your post below. snip There is a rule in CRV that the >viewer's subconscious has to be ultimately in charge of the session. After >all, it is supposed to be the only one in the room which has contact with >the target. The issue of "monitor control" has been around for years, and >was a constant problem throughout the unit's history. There are many who >worked as monitor only who were adamant that the monitor has to be in >absolute control of the session. The fact that those sessions always end >up in disaster or AOL-ville never phased their resolve. There were others >who were also viewers, who are just as adamant that the monitor is there to >serve the viewer's subconscious as it does its work. It is an old >argument, and you can easily tell which side I am on - and you can also >tell which side other people are on, as well. > snip This topic came up on P J 's web. The military folks , you, Gene, Paul, Joe, and Greg, and everyone else in the world, believed the Viewer was in charge of the session. Like all Irishmen, I am peace loving and abhor a fight. I therefor did not chip in. An RV team is like a marriage, nobody is really in charge (I can comfortably say that I am in charge in my marriage. I can say that because I am comfortable in my masculinity, I am a natural born leader and should logically be in charge, and because Sandy has gone on a trip to Paris and I can delete this before she gets back). The rule that the viewer is in charge is like the rule that the husband is in charge. I think this is a very good rule, but it is unenforceable. Just ask any husband who has stumbled home at 3 AM singing Irish ballads, with Guinness on his breath and been meant at the door by a crazy Indian woman, who refuses to buy my, I mean his, very plausible explanation that he was just doing cultural research into his ethnic roots. This, of course, has never happened to me, but I have heard stories. Ask yourself this; You have two people in a room. One is intelligent clear eyed and firm of jaw. The other one's eyes are glazed over. The person looks like he just went 15 rounds with Ali and Mike Tyson and they let Ali and Tyson bring baseball bats into the ring. This person cannot spell RV and if the person walks out in the middle of the session, you will have to put a leash on him to keep him from wandering into traffic and being hit by a truck. Well Liam, I chose the idiot. You know the guy who just misspelled his own name at the top of the paper. If that is the case I would like to enlist you into the 7th Cav and you can follow Custer down into that valley. Have you ever heard a viewer say "Hey. I must be door knobing. Why don't you move me 30 meters straight up or 50 meters to the South. Or how about "I must be in AOL drive. I bet those last four pages are just a bunch of crap. Viewers will at times, when left on their own, avoid the mutilated body of the child under the bushes by the river and tell you in great detail about the river and the various types of fish swimming in it. Viewers can at times spend the whole session describing a park, with flowers, trees, and birds, instead of walking out of the park, crossing the street, going into the building, down the stairs into the room where the poor bastard (who is the target of the session) is having electrodes attached to various parts of his body. When the monitor gives the viewer the chance to pick out some words to S5 I get a comfortable feeling when the viewer says "I FEEL this is important but I have no idea why" The opposite of that is when the viewer says " I THINK the AOL of ice cream cone is important because I KNEW I was in a jungle and ice cream cones would be hard to come by. IMO, no one is really in charge of the session (or a marriage). It is disciplined anarchy (try explaining that to General Odom). This worked well at Ft Meade, with the exception of a few individuals. For the most part; if it has to do with the signal line, instinct, or gut feeling, the viewer will call the shots. If it has to do with logic, structure, or support to the session (setting up, getting coffee, etc) the monitor is responsible. RV works best when the Viewer does not think, and the monitor does not feel. There are two people in the room, but there is only one brain, and it does not belong to the one person who is in contact with the site. slainte May the force be with you. Liam stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Jesus crucifixion day -
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Re: [stargate] Jesus crucifixion day courtny brouwn in his book cosmic voyage he has some session with jesus he meet him and talk to him but what he writes in the book is over my head... Eyal stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Hi there :-) I almost feel treaded like a VIP, getting invitations etc. LOL. Thank you, Steve, for processing my request to be subscribed so quickly. I am very excited to be on that list and look forward to get to know the list members and to learn and listen. Hopefully I will be able to contribute to your discussions (I am not a frequent writer though, I always think I have nothing important to say). Wishing you all a very nice day, Love and respect Monika stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
working the targets? -
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<< As for the fact that Gene then continues to say that he has been developing a protocol for monitoring over an email connection, I stand totally confused. >> Using the ERV method ONLY..old pardnah..ERV only....CRV will not computer on computers.... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Figure eights -
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Re: [stargate] Figure eights All of Lyn's comments are very interesting "from his perspective"..I would note that no one in our unit EVER looked into the face of God. I do not base that on my personal experience but a detailed review of sessions - each session had a complete report written on the events of the session. I am sure Lyn believes he looked into the face of God but that would of course make him the only living human being who ever has. In fact, like most of our viewers, viewing of religious personages or artifacts was wrought with personal emotional descriptions but as noted by Lyn, "it was a face like no other" and even today he cannot describe it...No one ever could. As to falling out of a chair or bed...there were actually several cases of viewers falling from chairs on different high emotion topics. Viewers often attempted to get up after a session and walked into walls or doors....but as a Viewer, Lyn would not know that...it was an item that was discussed with other Monitors and Skip Atwater only..Lyn as a Viewer actually believed he had totally access to everything that was going on in the sessions but in fact Viewers were routinely excluded from most of the information to a number of reasons, not the least of which..it was good protocol. Viewer's are in fact the central point of the session and in the CRV technology they are most certainly in charge. But in the ERV form of remote viewing, something, like a number of our viewers, Lyn was not able to work every efficiently, the Monitor is most definitely in charge...The viewer in the hynogogic state is just barely able to control their bowels let alone a session. Their state of mind is totally right brain and with the right brain in control, there is not control Without an effective monitor, you have a child with an unlimited credit card in the Mall.."ooohhh..lookee here...oooohh what is that....ooooohhh I wanna do that..." etc...Lyn is absolutely most positively correct in his comments as they relate to CRV (with the exception of viewers actually falling over their chairs on certain targets)....but as to his comments on ERV protocols, early on he was judged by Skip and myself as not really ready for that technique and why should we waste our time since he was doing quite well in ERV..For those of you who may not have known...I was the Monitor for all ERV sessions and Ed Dames was the Monitor for CRV Sessions although I was also called upon at least a half a dozen times a week to do Monitoring of CRV sessions...just to hone my skills in both... As to me ever ever ever using profanity in a session or "yelling" at a Viewer...Lyn may actually believe that happened since viewers did often come away with session comments on what happened only to find the tape recordings and sometimes the video proved them wrong. Lyn was never yelled at by me.. and in fact, according the the files, I had less than a dozen sessions with Lyn during my two year career with the unit....like I said, I was chief of the ERV Team and Lyn was not on my Team. I would only enter the CRV room with him on a very infrequent basis...But I can assure Lyn, if he has been harboring this trauma all these years, I never ever never yelled at a viewer, or used profanity of any sort in a session or I would have been soundly reprimanded by Skip or other bosses. No one should interpret this as a schism or disagreement between Lyn and myself since we have shared a world only a few people in the world have ever known and for this reason have bonded in a way no one can understand. Lyn has given me missions to work from his "other job" and we stay in contact (although I have missed him for about two months now)...We planted flowers and vegetables in a makeshift garden at the old unit and shared many a story when things were slow. Nope, no disagreement here...just pulling away some of the cobwebs that form over the years on both of our memories.. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Re: [stargate] Who's in Charge Thanx Liam...I do not know how you did it but you actually explained it better than I did in my answer to Lyn....are you on the wagon again...it is usually on those rare infrequent periods of time that you actually come up with clear concise thoughts...You are, as noted correct, it is a marriage of a individual who is quite capable of walking off a cliff for as much as a couple hours after a session and a well dressed and soft spoken debonair and sophisticated Monitor who has absolutely not idea what you folks are talking about during your sessions...in the end the marriage works and somehow a target gets exploited and reportod upon in a way that satisfied the brass...Nothing has changed...I am still handsome, well dressed, debonair and sophisticated and you still walk into walls and fall off the bed during sessions...but then you do that out of session also...oh well.... Slainte ... and pray for peace in Ireland... Gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Jesus crucifixion day -
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<< courtny brouwn in his book cosmic voyage he has some session with jesus he meet him and talk to him but what he writes in the book is over my head... >> There was lots over Courtney's head also...comets, little grey men and other astral wonders...sheeezzzz...please folks, review Courtney's work like you would compare Communism to to Capitalism..one works and the other does not.... Gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Re: [stargate] Please Invite/Hi, I am here :-) Yeaaaaa..Whistle..whoop...hurrah....Monika is here.... Hi Moni...glad to have you aboard... Gruesse aus Washington... Eugen... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Figure eights -
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> All of Lyn's comments are very interesting "from his perspective"..I would > note that no one in our unit EVER looked into the face of God. Funny thing about being a renegade meditator - especially where you don't know enough not to do something. I once decided to try looking into the face of God. I saw thousands of different faces looking back at me. had to figure that was as good as it gets -Deb stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Dear friends, Thank you very much to everybody for your very personal contributions to that special topic. Curran2106@... wrote: > See I TOLD YOU!!!...nobody believes the old elephants...oh well..Ya'll have a > good time...sheeezzzz... > Gene...... > ---- Gene, I like the idea of "old elephants" : very peaceful vegetarian species, in a wise period of their life, with an excellent long term memory ;-) Liam you wrote: > In approximately 1986, Skip Atwater worked me on this site as a practice > site. We worked it single blind. Skip, the monitor, knew what the site > was. I worked blind. Gene acknowledges Skip as the greatest monitor in the > world. At the time I had been involved in remote viewing eight hours a day, > five days a week for approximately three years, Paul and I were doing the > majority of the viewing for the project. Not trying to brag, just trying to > validate we had a competent team working the site. We worked it CRV. Early > in S4 a Tangible of Cross came in. Intangibles of sacred, somber, and a > whole lot of very heavy, somber feeling. I focussed first on the soldiers > guarding the site (I am a soldier at heart and find I have a lot in common > with other soldiers, regardless of time or nationality) I also identified a > woman at the foot of the cross, his mother. I knew there was a body on the > cross, but I was not able to view it. . I could not pick up any of His > last words. I did pick up his concern for his mother. I was able to pick > up a lot of what the other people around were feeling, but as for that body > on the cross.....it was beyond me (I did have a distinct impression however; > that He was Irish). > > Now, I may be just another superstitious Irishman, but like Gene, I believe > that God (anybody's God) is unviewable. Jean Luc, I cannot imagine what > difference it makes if Christ was short, tall, fat, or thin (I already told > you he was Irish, so you know he was good looking). I have no problem with > anyone trying to view the crucifixion. I just do not believe you will have > a whole lot of success in viewing Christ. It has been my experience in > life, > that God is not in the business of satisfying my curiosity. Thank you very much, Liam, for your very interesting flash-back to the mili unit. It's the first time I got these infos. BTW I've met Skip in his lab and agree with you for what concerns him. Then propos the cross, I like you to give us a kind of "reverse shot" overview (as they say in the cinema business). If you've got some more elements since that session, and have some time to kill some day I'd love to know more about the mother's and soldiers thoughts and feelings. Concerning the Irish origin, I have some close friends too on this very nice Island, so I have really no difficulty to understand the link :) Lyn Buchanan wrote : > As mentioned in a previous message, that was my session. The monitor was a > guy who now calls himself Liam. The comment was because I had done one bad > guy after another for weeks on end, and had the STRAY CAT (AOL) that this > session was just another bad guy. Hello Lyn, nice to hear from you on this list. You've told me this very personal story once. And it is with a real pleasure that I've re-read it, because as others I guess on this list, I've no difficulty to imagine by empathy a part of what you felt during this special experience. As explorer, I like your point of view concerning the belief system consequences (with respect to Liam's and Gene's too). I also know you do good paintings. But don't remember if you've ever tried to fix Jesus' face on a print. If yes, I 'd love to get a scanned photo of it. BTW (sometimes a good picture is really better than a long talk) did the military RVers realistic sketches after their sessions as a complement of some rved aspects of the target apart all the ideograms ? Joe often talks about his after session sketches... THX to Steve and John and Eyal too Thanks once again to all contributors Take care, Jean-Luc. stargate : Message: [stargate]
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> All of Lyn's comments are very interesting "from his perspective"..I would > note that no one in our unit EVER looked into the face of God. Fascinating stuff... Gene, I do believe the man said "Jesus." Not God's face. Not unless they are both one and the same to you. I think the Arabs were intuitive enough to realize that such a problem would eventually condemn mankind, so they opted for letter symbol to represent God, and named all the prophets without the need for description. Yes, Lyn is right about the pics all over the world depicting Jesus... that is just an ethnocentric potrayal. I am sure you are right, though, Gene. Anyone who "sees" Jesus is bound to be knocked out of their chair, once they found how he *really* looked like.... Peace electrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< don't know enough not to do something. I once decided to try looking into the face of God. I saw thousands of different faces looking back at me. had to figure that was as good as it gets >> . . . . . . hehehehe... Figures. Just took a Monroer to nail the target :-) ~T~ stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>at times spend the whole session describing a park, with flowers, trees, and >birds, instead of walking out of the park, crossing the street, going into >the building, down the stairs into the room where the poor bastard (who is >the target of the session) is having electrodes attached to various parts of >his body. Hi all, I'm still getting up to speed on the specifics of ERV, but i'm curious to know, what the cuing method used was, when the viewer is wandering a park instead of the (local) vicinity of the target? stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Hi Wildfire and all; Liam here. Viewers can >>at times spend the whole session describing a park, with flowers, trees, and >>birds, instead of walking out of the park, crossing the street, going into >>the building, down the stairs into the room where the poor bastard (who is >>the target of the session) is having electrodes attached to various parts of >>his body. > >Hi all, > >I'm still getting up to speed on the specifics of ERV, but i'm curious to know, what the cuing method used was, when the viewer is wandering a park instead of the (local) vicinity of the target? > The monitor has to think on his feet well actually while he is sitting on his but, but then, that is why we pay them the big bucks . It would depend on what the viewer has already identified at the site and also perhaps if the viewer is working ERV or CRV. Also it depends on the viewer. A good monitor knows his viewers characteristics. But something like this is usually effective. Excellent job of describing the park (viewers have very fragile egos and must be pampered) now describe the structure. or Wonderful job describing the park. What else is at site? The monitor MUST never say You C***** S**t SOB get out of the bloody park and into the D*** interrogation room. slainte May the force be with you Liam stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< Gene, I do believe the man said "Jesus." Not God's face. Not unless they are both one and the same to you. >> According to Christian doctrine, and the concept of the Holy Trinity...God, the father and the son and the Holy Ghost are one...my belief and I am stuck with it... Gene.. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< I'm still getting up to speed on the specifics of ERV, but i'm curious to know, what the cuing method used was, when the viewer is wandering a park instead of the (local) vicinity of the target? >> Easy...tell the viewer they hvae given enough environmentals..now "go to the place I want you to go and tell me about it"...then the magic takes over... Gene.. stargate : Message: [stargate]
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Hi everybody, Steve has provided us with two BBS for our use. One is to discuss remote viewing and psi. The other is a general, open discussion forum. Lately people have not been posting much to either board. Then what was posted gets rolled off the board, leaving it looking deserted and dead. I want to encourage each of us to think of the boards and possibly use them or I am afraid Steve will shut them down from humble neglect. Come one people -- what do you say? If they are of value, let's use them. If not, we will have to let them die. Surely there are listmembers out there who would like to discuss dreams and dream interpretation with me. Let's get something going. Let's pick a topic and get into it. Okay, enough of my cheerleading. I hope to see you on the board. Jane stargate : Message: [stargate]
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Hi, It's me again. I thought of a topic for the BBS. I would like to hear about The Monroe Institute programs and the cool experiences of the participants. From what I hear, it is awesome. So what do you say Terri, Deb, Floyd, and Electrix? Care to get a discussion started? Jane ---- stargate : Message: [stargate]
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Hi, It's me again. I thought of a topic for the BBS. I would like to hear about The Monroe Institute programs and the cool experiences of the participants. From what I hear, it is awesome. So what do you say Terri, Deb, Floyd, and Electrix? Care to get a discussion started? Jane stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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> about The Monroe Institute programs and the cool experiences of the > participants. From what I hear, it is awesome.******************************* Sorry folks, computer foul up caused me to send out the same message twice. Sorry to clutter up your mailbox. Jane stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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I took the Gateway Program in March and would be happy to discuss the program. Angela bake27 wrote: > > Hi, > It's me again. I thought of a topic for the BBS. I would like to hear > about The Monroe Institute programs and the cool experiences of the stargate : Message: [stargate]
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Hi everybody! I started a thread on the RV/Psi BBS about the Monroe Experience. The question for the board, not the list, is has the Monroe program(s) helped you in your RVing? Would you recommend it for those who want to RV? Jane stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Ok..the gauntlet is tossed...how tell the rest of us about the "Monroe Experience"...hahahaha Gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Hi: I have the Gateway series on cd...like to use it when I travel. Still working back and forth through Wave I to III. Just haven't spent much time in IV to VI for some reason, although I did go through the whole set in order when I first got it. I can't compare it to actually attending the Institute program, since I haven't been there. I may do that some day, but I think I'd rather do a complete rv course first. take care, Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Hello Bevy and Gene, I am transfering the interesting discussion we had about psychic healing on the psi-list to the stargate psi/rv bbs. I think it might stimulate further interesting discussion on the topic. But first I would like your permission to repost your parts of the discussion. Regards, Bill Pendergrass ( not so pushy Ph.D.) stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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I am transfering the interesting discussion we had about psychic healing on the psi-list to the stargate psi/rv bbs. I think it might stimulate further interesting discussion on the topic. But first I would like your permission to repost your parts of the discussion. Regards, >> whatever... stargate : Message: [stargate]
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Sightings On The Radio will have a guest named Don Bradley to talk about Remote Viewing during WW2. Does anyone know who Don Bradley is? Rv & WW2 ?? Rich stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Edith: I've been away for a bit and just tuned into this discussion of figure eights. I've had them occur for me, but only in my sketches. When I find myself drawing them, I have almost a compulsion to trace the figure eight line over and over again so it ends up being quite black. I'm one who was trained in SRV and we were given the standardized ideograms. (I know, I know! Anathema to CRV'ers.) The "loop " still remains a "life form" for me. The figure eight -- much rarer in my sessions -- seems to be a *completion* of the loop. During some sessions when I've gotten a figure eight, I've perceived an unmistakable message: "This one is dead." Thinking my experience with the figure eight during a session was very particular to me, I was a bit startled to read your message. Rick Stordeur Vancouver Island stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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> I took the Gateway Program in March and would be happy to discuss the > program. > > Angela > Nice to hear from you again. So you did it finally :) Did you enjoy ? Have you met Joe McMoneagle ? Did he give a lecture on remote viewing ? What about the CHEC Units ? Did you appreciate them ? Did you meet Skip ? Do you like the Hemi-sync tapes cool down system ? BTW thank you very much for your post concerning RV on preprinted forms ;-). Warm regards, And.......see you in 12 Jean-Luc stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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which discussion? Bevy stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Hello all, Has it occurred to anyone besides me that this whole topic of ideograms and symbolism .. and the Rhine ESP cards .. and the [possible?] existence of a basic vocabulary for reporting RV experiences .. might somehow relate to Jung's archetypes ? Or, to some other semantic/symbolic realm that might be surveyed in (say) Joseph Campbell's books ? Just wondering, possibly talking thru my hat, value $0.02. Fred Baube -- F.Baube(tm) * "It is the geek's modern task [..] to G'town U. MSFS '88 * make enterprises function in spite of fred@... * the blockheads who own and control them." +358 (40) 737 6934 * -- an article at www.wired.com #include stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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> Sightings On The Radio will have a guest named Don Bradley > to talk about Remote Viewing during WW2. Does anyone know who > Don Bradley is? Rv & WW2 ?? > > Rich > www.don-bradley.com he seems to be a Science Fiction New Age writer of sorts. I remember from his posts at the PSI TECH bb, months ago, he came in demanding an interview with Ed Dames to "set the record straight", and said he would go on Sightings and attack Ed Dames if he did not comply or answer his questions I personally thought it strange he felt compelled to be Ed's mouthpiece. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>>www.don-bradley.com he seems to be a Science Fiction New Age writer of sorts. I remember from his posts at the PSI TECH bb, months ago, he came in demanding an interview with Ed Dames to "set the record straight", and said he would go on Sightings and attack Ed Dames if he did not comply or answer his questions I personally thought it strange he felt compelled to be Ed's mouthpiece.<< I don't know who Don Bradley is but I just finished watching a History Channel program on prophesy and it seems there were mutual disinformation projects on the part of Germany and Britain involving Nostradamus's quatrains. It seems Goebels and the Brits were rewriting Nostradamus's predictions to further the war effort and some leafleting was done. I suppose in light of that revelation there may have been attempts at psychic espionage or prediction of outcomes in operations. The behind the scenes work on the part of the allies and Germany probably involved any attempt to gain an advantage in the intelligence or propaganda arenas. So, it doesn't seem all together unlikely that such efforts took place. Hitler's personal astrologer, a gentleman by the name of Kraft, ended up dying in Buchenwald after he pissed Hitler off. Regards, Ken Schlueter stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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F.Baube(tm) wrote: > Has it occurred to anyone besides me that this whole topic > of ideograms and symbolism .. and > the [possible?] existence of a basic vocabulary for reporting > RV experiences .. might somehow relate to Jung's archetypes ? Yes it has. I have studied Jung's work extensively. Although, just as in dream interpretation, one must be aware that any symbol, though it may indeed have archetypal and cultural significance in its broader range of meaning, it primarily needs to be interpreted in terms of the personal language of meaning in order to find it's application within the individual's life. Only when one cannot fathom a personal meaning do you then head for the larger canvas of meaning. In dream work the personal meaning is easily evident on most occasions. In RV, just as in dreamwork, I would imagine we will profit most by sticking close to our home base of personal meaning. The figure eight symbol discussion was one I was interested in as I had a dream once in which my ex-husband's aunt was showing me a painting she had done with the figure in it. In the dream there were two paintings: one large and one small: but the same painting. As was my habit I took the image I was shown in the dream and painted it myself. You can see it here: http://www.active-stream.com/ASCmed/med9.html Also in the dream it was Christmas Eve and the family was gathered at my ex's mother's home. I was very close to this aunt... I had helped to care for her as she was elderly and lived alone. There were two people in the family that I missed as a result of the divorce and she was one of them. Two years later she died on Christmas Eve. Shelia stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Aloha Fred, The possibility of a basic vocabulary for reporting RV experiences is a concept of some merit. Although not a fan of Jung, I do understand the basic interpretive nature common to humans. There are like experiences among us and being intelligent we read the signs and attempt to reproduce our knowing by aligning our idea of the cause and effect. In the case of Ideograms, one viewer's water sign is another's Ideo for energy flow. The viewer wanting to determine exactly what the sub is telling them via the ideogram production should submit viable session work for third party evaluation of what constitutes their ideo library. Learning and attempting to execute some other persons idea of what an Ideogram is will not be very productive in the long run. Bad habits generated from practice of ideograms leads to familiar motions and preferred motions. The idea that the shape of the Ideogram in someway is related to the target may or may not resolve out for all viewers. In the viewers that shape does value out to be representative of target gestalt there is a good chance a library can be established for that viewer. This library may in-fact change with time and amount of targets worked. So many clues in this world, its good to see so many minds trying to sort it all out. Aloha ... Glenn stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>Just wondering, possibly talking thru my hat, value $0.02. Actually, Ingo indicates that it was from his study of Warcollier. Good observation. Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations 37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285 Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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> I started a thread on the RV/Psi BBS about the Monroe Experience. The >question for the board, not the list, is has the Monroe program(s) helped >you in your RVing? Would you recommend it for those who want to RV? I went to Monroe's military version of the Gateway course (slightly different orientation, but basically the same course). It was a personal highlight for me. However, aside from using it to "chill down" before a session (which I rarely do because the database shows that I tend to get a lower score when I do), I don't think there is a way to use the hemisync tapes during a session. Some people have tried having them play in the background, but have reported that they didn't notice any difference in the work, and the database didn't show a significant difference. Does the Monroe course help you do remote viewing? Most people I have talked to who have been to it report that it doesn't. Would I recommend the Monroe course in spite of that? In a heartbeat. It is one of the truely "worth-it" courses you can get these days. Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations 37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285 Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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At 10:03 AM 7/25/98 EDT, Gene wrote: >All of Lyn's comments are very interesting "from his perspective"..I would >note that no one in our unit EVER looked into the face of God. The target wasn't God. It was the human being, Jesus. I saw a human face - not too Irish looking, I might add. :-} >.......I do not base >that on my personal experience but a detailed review of sessions - each >session had a complete report written on the events of the session. I think that you are right about God never being given as a target. There is no historical record which would serve as acceptable feedback. Therefore, it wouldn't have been given. However, I might add that the unit didn't begin and end with your time there. There were other times to which you didn't have any access to the records. I was there up until about a year from the end of the project. If you had access to those records, the CIA wants to talk to you about a long stay in prison. I can tell you that the target of "God" was NOT given in that time frame, either. Whether it was given after I left, I don't have a way to know. BTW: I had all sessions in my database which had been done previous to both your and my arrival at the unit. Many of those sessions had been shredded, and you never got to see the records for them. However, I never saw "God" as a target in any of the sessions done previous to our separate arrivals in the unit. >.....I am sure >Lyn believes he looked into the face of God but that would of course make him >the only living human being who ever has. Again, please read carefully. It was a Jewish man - a historical figure named "Jesus". While I do believe that he was God incarnate and part of the Holy Trinity, you should know how specific the subconscious mind can be when it comes to tasking. I was there to do a personality profile on a person. The frontloading was, "The target is a PERSON". I was tasked with Jesus, not God. I viewed Jesus, not God. >..... In fact, like most of our viewers, >viewing of religious personages or artifacts was wrought with personal >emotional descriptions but as noted by Lyn, "it was a face like no other" and >even today he cannot describe it...No one ever could. Who said I can't describe it? I can still get the image I saw very clearly. I know, I know... then I must have been off target, right? I must have been actually viewing Joey Schmedlap. He's a very nice guy, too. >.... As to falling out of a >chair or bed...there were actually several cases of viewers falling from >chairs on different high emotion topics. Viewers often attempted to get up >after a session and walked into walls or doors. Actually, there was one session where I did almost fall out of the chair because of the vibrations I felt (from the site, not in the room). I had to hang on for dear life. Falling out of a chair and being "thrown from a bed" are somewhat different to me, though. >......but as a Viewer, Lyn would not know that... Excuse me? >......it was an item that was discussed with other Monitors and Skip >Atwater only..Lyn as a Viewer actually believed he had totally access to >everything that was going on in the sessions but in fact Viewers were >routinely excluded from most of the information to a number of reasons, not >the least of which..it was good protocol. That is true. What you are forgetting (never really knew about) was that I was the Database Manager, and after all those meetings to which I, as Viewer, was not involved (rightfully so - it IS good protocol), I then had to type in all notes and comments into the database and other computer records. Many of the things I had access to, I shouldn't have had. That's a factor of working in a very small office where everyone wears many hats. As viewer, I wasn't privy to those things which I, as Database Manager, was required to see. Many times, I would put data entry off because in their infinite wisdom, one of the monitors would hand me a summary to type into the computer for a session on a target I was about to do. I was handed all the critiques on everyone's work (even my own), and was required to see even a lot of the things about the projects that I REALLY didn't want to know. I know that you like to think that the monitors were infinitely superior to the viewers, and that nobody knew as much as you, but that just wasn't so. >.....Viewer's are in fact the central >point of the session and in the CRV technology they are most certainly in >charge. > >But in the ERV form of remote viewing, something, like a number of >our viewers, Lyn was not able to work every efficiently, Beg pardon? You evidently didn't look at the records as well as you thought you did. >.......the Monitor is most >definitely in charge...The viewer in the hynogogic state is just barely able >to control their bowels let alone a session. Their state of mind is totally >right brain and with the right brain in control, there is not control Without >an effective monitor, you have a child with an unlimited credit card in the >Mall.."ooohhh..lookee here...oooohh what is that....ooooohhh I wanna do >that..." etc...Lyn is absolutely most positively correct in his comments as >they relate to CRV (with the exception of viewers actually falling over their >chairs on certain targets)....but as to his comments on ERV protocols, early >on he was judged by Skip and myself as not really ready for that technique and >why should we waste our time since he was doing quite well in ERV.. "...since he was doing quite well in ERV.." Neat freudian slip, there, Gene. Sorry, but I was doing ERV with Skip long before you got to the unit, and, as you say, doing quite well in it. It is true that I did better in CRV, and that I prefer it to ERV any day. However, there are some strengths which ERV has to complement CRV's weaknesses, and I have worked both quite extensively. I do remember talking to Skip and telling him that I didn't want to do ERV as long as you were the monitor. You are right about that incident being very traumatic to me. I think Skip just was just making a nicety for why you and I wouldn't work together. >.....For those of you who may not have known... >I was the Monitor for all ERV sessions and Ed >Dames was the Monitor for CRV Sessions It was truely a great time for the unit.... >....although I was also called upon at >least a half a dozen times a week to do Monitoring of CRV sessions...just to >hone my skills in both... >As to me ever ever ever using profanity in a session or "yelling" at a >Viewer...Lyn may actually believe that happened since viewers did often come >away with session comments on what happened only to find the tape recordings >and sometimes the video proved them wrong. Lyn was never yelled at by me.. >and in fact, according the the files, I had less than a dozen sessions with >Lyn during my two year career with the unit....like I said, I was chief of the >ERV Team and Lyn was not on my Team. I would only enter the CRV room with him >on a very infrequent basis...But I can assure Lyn, if he has been harboring >this trauma all these years, I never ever never yelled at a viewer, or used >profanity of any sort in a session or I would have been soundly reprimanded by >Skip or other bosses. It did happen at least once.. I was there. >No one should interpret this as a schism or disagreement between Lyn and >myself since we have shared a world only a few people in the world have ever >known and for this reason have bonded in a way no one can understand. Lyn has >given me missions to work from his "other job" and we stay in contact >(although I have missed him for about two months now)...We planted flowers and >vegetables in a makeshift garden at the old unit and shared many a story when >things were slow. Nope, no disagreement here...just pulling away some of the >cobwebs that form over the years on both of our memories.. This is true. I re-read the above comments and realize that it really does seem like it's turning into an all-out barroom bruhaha, but hey, Gene's Irish and I'm Scottish. I mean, it's not like I'm from Texas and he's from Oklahoma, or something. If Gene and I didn't have something to bicker about, the sun wouldn't rise in the morning. We would probably do our best bickering over a Guinness, but HE's too cheap to treat, so we haven't found out, yet. Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations 37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285 Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com ---- stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>IMO, no one is really in charge of the session (or a marriage). It is >disciplined anarchy (try explaining that to General Odom). This worked well >at Ft Meade, with the exception of a few individuals. For the most part; if >it has to do with the signal line, instinct, or gut feeling, the viewer will >call the shots. If it has to do with logic, structure, or support to the >session (setting up, getting coffee, etc) the monitor is responsible. RV >works best when the Viewer does not think, and the monitor does not feel. >There are two people in the room, but there is only one brain, and it does >not belong to the one person who is in contact with the site. Liam, Good comment. I agree completely, and couldn't have said it better. The session is a marriage. However, it is a marriage with a purpose, and that purpose is goal-oriented. When I say that the viewer's subconscious mind has to be in charge, I don't mean in Command. Oh, you officers are always confusing the two!!! :-) What I mean is that the viewer's subconscious mind is the most important "person" in the room >>>as far as the job of reaching the goal is concerned. The viewer's conscious mind, the monitor, and everyone else in the whole project have to all be there to see to its needs. It is like the queen bee - it is the center of the activity, because without it, the rest of the whole project would die off. It doesn't actually DO much except produce, but that product is the entire purpose of everyone being there. All the rest of the people are there as workerbees. When the session starts and the subconscious mind gets "on target", that's what it is all about, and everyone's job is to see that nothing gets in the way. Most of the time, the one who gets in the way is the Viewer, him/herself. The conscious mind wants to either/both help and/or hinder, and must be kept out of the way. Since the viewer is usually drooling by then, that responsibility falls to the monitor, who is in responsible for the control of the viewer's conscious mind activities, for telling the viewer to go to the next page instead of writing on the table, for adjusting lighting, for control of any onlookers, for just about everything else - even his/her own self control. Even the monitor has to stay out of the way of the viewer's subconscious. If the monitor ever gets the thought, "Ooooh!!! I know what the target is!!!", the monitor should leave the session. When the monitor comes into a session thinking that the outcome of the session, or the quality of information is up to his/her ability to control things, then the monitor is again doing the process a disservice. When the monitor comes into the session thinking that it's all up to his/her ability to serve, it makes all the difference in the world. To hear someone say that they do this or that to punish some smartass viewer sends shivers down my spine. I have more than once thrown a monitor out of my session for doing something like that. Perhaps saying that the viewer is "in charge" is the incorrect way to put it, but there is a fine point involved when I add "of the session." It is just as you said above: >"If it has to do with the signal line, instinct, or gut feeling, > >>>>>the viewer will call the shots.<<<<<<" but >"If it has to do with logic, structure, or support to the >session (setting up, getting coffee, etc), > >>>>the monitor is responsible.<<<<<" There is a difference between being in charge and being in command. There is also a difference between being in charge and being responsible for. I guess that what I am saying about the CRV session is the same as Patton said about rank: "The person who is subordinate should never forget it, and the person who is a superior should never have to remember it." Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations 37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285 Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>Can you tell us a little more abou this experiment? Some have suggested >that in the heat of the moment, you may have misremembered from >an event long in the past.. and that in the long run you'd only get 50% >accuracy.. but I seem to recall you mentioning the red/black experiment >was recent and an extended experiment at that. Can you shed any >more light on this..? I started off trying to do "dowsing" (CRV's form of dowsing, of course) to get the numbers for the lottery. I don't know who hasn't tried that, and who hasn't failed to one extent or another. There is only so far you can take that. Then, I tried developing an ideogram for each digit, 0-9 and working CRV sessions on it. Well, as you know, CRV's biggest embarrassment is numbers, and that sort of carries through when trying to sneak past the system by using ideograms, as well. It didn't work, either. Then, I thought, "You're doing what you tell others not to do - going for the big stuff first... start small and work your way up to it." So, I developed an ideogram for "red" and one for "black". I take coordinates for each card and then go through Stage I to the ideogram. It takes a lot of time and lot of work, but >>>>after much practice<<<< I got the score up to 68.3% dependability. That's a 6, not a 5. I have gotten very out of practice since moving to New Mexico, but hope to take it up again soon. BTW: the last 4 times I worked a deck (last November), the scores were: 79.4%, 77.2%, 71.7% and 69.9%. So, sorry if someone wanted some kind of magic... it's just old fashioned ideograms and LOTS AND LOTS of practice. It's slow, and growth and improvement take months and months of practice, but in the end, it works. As for "misremembered from an event long in the past", I don't remember anything. I know that the memory is prone to errors. I log sessions into the database when I do them and can call them up when needed. I don't have to remember. Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations 37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285 Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>Thanks for letting me share. >Sandy Dear Sandy, Thanks for that. (Attempting to start a new thread here, before the old one starts a new world war.) I find it very interesting to see what people do to prepare for sessions. I used to try meditating, and found that it drove me into all kinds of AOLs throughout the session. When they came up with the idea of "spending time in sanctuary" before a session, I tried it, and it seemed to have the same effect. I think that I was allowing myself to think of the session before the session, and thereby ruining it for myself. Anyway, I finally realized that my old soapbox topic was probably what I needed, so I started keeping records of my sessions and what I did to prepare for them. I wanted to correlate the type of preparation with the scores. I knew that there were also a hundred other influences which would affect the scores, but thought that something should show up, if any correlation existed. Sure enough, I found that I get the best results when I line up a series of jobs and put the CRV session as one of them. In the office, I got to where I would start all kinds of activities before a session. Usually, you could tell when it was getting time for me to go over and work, because I would be up and running around the office doing things. Now, when I prepare for a session, I start out with all deliberation and mow the lawn - work on the car - do the session - clean up the office - fix things around the house - etc. - etc. - etc. I don't know why I get higher results that way, but I do. Maybe it is just that I get on a roll of accomplishing things, and that carries over into the session. At any rate, my wife loves it. Paul Smith likes to lie down and nap for about 30 minutes before a session. Another viewer from the unit likes to sip some coffee and write letters just prior to working the session. Another likes to do beadwork right before going over to do a session (guess who that would be). All these "rituals" actually do seem to help the accuracy of the session's results. Not all that exciting a topic, I admit, but I find it very interesting to hear how people prepare themselves to work. That is one part of the process that I don't think will ever be standardized. Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations 37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285 Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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> As for the fact that Gene then continues to say that he has been developing > a protocol for monitoring over an email connection, I stand totally confused. At 09:40 AM 7/25/98 EDT, Gene replied: >Using the ERV method ONLY..old pardnah..ERV only....CRV will not computer on >computers.... My mistake. I agree completely. CRV monitoring can't be done via computers. I was wondering, though, how you can do ERV monitoring through email. The monitoring process in ERV is much harder and more involved than CRV - which is a considerable task in itself. I have always said that the monitor has to do ten times the work the viewer has to do, and probably needs ten times more training before becoming a "professional". I might never admit this too loud, but I've always had more respect for the monitor's job than for the viewer's job. I just don't see how ERV can be done over email. I'm not asking for secrets you aren't ready to give, but if you've found a way to do this, I would be completely amazed. Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations 37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285 Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Don't forget the Powerball lottery is over $250M this week...odds are only 1:80M...should not be a statistical problem for someone in the +80% range... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Have trained three students to about an 85% success rate...when it is all done..figure I need about five more students to draw good data..I will publish it on the net and everyone , including yourself, can call me a liar again... gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Conversation is headed into a hole...Lyn is the one who is the viewer here, I am only a monitor...stay with his comments folks...I am obviously wrong on all counts...those of you I have trained to do ERV...sorry, obviously I did not know what I was doing..forget everything I taught you and so sorry about the success rates you had...probably pure luck...check with Paul or Lyn for some real instructions in the real way to do RV... Gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Actually Liam / Sandy / Aquaserene / Skyemberr / Monika and more recently Dave have all been witness to my technique...some of it in support of body searches and commercial targets (we got paid for it)...and it seemed to work pretty good...like I said...we got paid... Gene... ---- stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< Does the Monroe course help you do remote viewing? Most people I have talked to who have been to it report that it doesn't. >>> Hello Lyn, My 2 cents.... Well, having completed several Monroe programs, then having Gene 'find' me and open my eyes to the awesomeness (freedom) of remote viewing, well I can say I will always be a Monroer first and an RVer second. I think you will find that a Monroe grad, especially, an Explore 27 grad. will make one hell of a knock your socks off viewer (if one ever comes to you) You see after spending thousands of dollars on hemi-sync tech and hundreds of hours via hemi-sync in exploration and meditation, we are 'opened'. Permanently. We have explored, confronted, searched, confronted, asked questions, questioned answers, (in my case argued, I always argue till I win) we reach out, we reach within, we reach past ... curiosity. We are great, we are movers and shakers, we are special, we have taken the time effort and money to become better as incarnated immortals, and to hopefully in some way be able to help mankind or add good-ness to the physical universe .... Most of all we have a better than average confront (knowns) on the physical and non physical universe. We are ready for a bigger game. Soon, I plan 'teach' or 'pass on' what I have learned about remote viewing, over the net, just the way Gene has taught me, with nothing altered nothing changed. It works, its magic. (by the way my teacher is perfect) Gene has his criteria for students, mine will be an X27 grad, and there are really just a very, very few of us, but giving the RV skills to them will answer so many questions so quickly, I can feel them out there grasping.. what now? RVing is the glittering, sparkling icing on the cake. We can have it all. By learning RVing, on top of my Monroe experiences I have found I can open the can of worms and NOW I can get the answers. Without Monroe... would I have the questions? A past target Gene had given me, well it had dead decaying-decayed bodies at the site, but because of my Monroe experience, Lifeline program, I found there were still entities at this site waiting to 'go on'. Their bodies had died, they didn't know what to do next. There is a certain eye contact entities make with me when they are stuck or ready to move on, when I sensed these entities, gads they had been stuck soooo long in grief and fear, I toss the Rving aside and put on my Monroe hat and helped these beings on their way. Many others have viewed this target in the past and apparently not sensed these beings in distress.? ? ? Without Monroe, I would have done nothing more than just sensed the chaotic panicked energies. Gene recently posted a dimensional target on this list, Cashel Ireland, I and one other sent him a session, I am sure others viewed it but did not send in... anyway I sensed and entity or being at one part of this site on an ancient ritual ground, the being made eye contact with me, very strong and definite, I went back to see/help him/it, this hooded clocked entity... heheheh this being turned out to be different, not just an energy ready to move on... this entity turned out to be me.... ROTFL. Well, I am still there, that magic will stay at that spot come hell or high water, (or religions) or I move on, with all my bits various pieces. Without Robert Monroe would I even have a clue? Did/do the Monroe programs help me as a viewer........................? BTW... Floyd, my precious angelic dear friend (perfect creation of a male body :-) (just had to add that) (Lifeline grad)(slept thru it) When you are ready and have the time in your busy life, I want to share with you also, this great magic I have learned, RVing. You will be one heck of a viewer.... now hush, you will see hahahah. End of my 2 cents........ ~Terri~ "Life's a bowl of cherries and most poor SOBs are starving" Auntie Mame. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Re: [stargate] ideograms etc. >Learning and attempting to execute some other persons idea of what an >Ideogram is will not be very productive in the long run. Bad habits >generated from practice of ideograms leads to familiar motions and >preferred motions. Indeed this is so. What I find a lot of beginning RV students attempting is to 'construct' an ideogram either based on their pre-session 'ESPicles' or on a set list of whichever ideograms they have been shown and/or have handy. This (needless to say) leads quickly to failure on the part of extracting any ideogram data (with the exception of the "visual" ideogram, of course) and subsequent degradation of session data from viewer morale loss. >The idea that the shape of the Ideogram in someway is related to the target >may or may not resolve out for all viewers. In the viewers that shape does >value out to be representative of target gestalt there is a good chance a >library can be established for that viewer. This library may in-fact change >with time and amount of targets worked. Which brings me to my point. This is very true, and a common misunderstanding on the part of new viewers attempting to employ protocol-based remote viewing as a structured and unyielding task-list, instead of the real science it is. So, I shall attempt to present the data I have gathered so-far on this ideogram issue in the hopes it will resolve some of the questions people have. Infact, I think I shall go sofar as to create the following: The 3 Commandments of Ideogramology 1) There is indeed such a beast as the standard ideogram. Utilizing the same mechanics as the '100th Monkey' paradigm, the collective unconscious will present (to those utilizing it) a standard ideogram and/or diagrammatic archetype. Such standard ideograms are subject to change and may or may not be the best overall representation for it's geophysical/paraphysical source. 2) There is indeed such a beast as the non-standard ideogram. Some viewers will never see a standard ideogram if their lives depended on it. Some will mix and match. Regardless, there can be constructed a library for that viewer of their own standard ideograms, which may range from one (Ingo Swann is notorious for this), to a complete and diverse library of specialized ideograms. 3) Regardless of the above, the ideogram is not the end of the session, it is merely another step in the process. It really should not (and as you would see, infact does not) impact the session whatsoever if the ideogram is not even attributable in any sense to the target being viewed. That was not the point in creating it (see the original CRV (coordinate) materials). I shall abbreviate the commandments here, for sake of brevity. :) To paraphrase, the ideogram is more than a set creature, less than a totally random beast, and just a step in the majority of structured RV processes available. It shouldn't be made out to be as complex as some people would have it be, nor as simple as others would in turn. It is, a completely open arena (and apparently malleable) in the RV sciences. (Now lets get those arguments churning) stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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> Conversation is headed into a hole...check with Paul or Lyn for some > real instructions in the real way to do RV... > Gene... hahaha! My God, you're an ornery bastard! Have you considered a lateral to the Corps? They tell me Perris Island is beautiful this time of year. Greg stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< Don't forget the Powerball lottery is over $250M this week...odds are only 1:80M...should not be a statistical problem for someone in the +80% range... >> heh heh heh ... you are sooo cute, bit of a pisser but still ctue. We dont have the powerball here, but play my numbers for me 3-7-11-13-23-32....... ~T~ stargate : Message: [stargate]
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Hello All, I attended Monroe's Gateway Program in November of 1996. I have had OBEs since I was seventeen years old. (Now I'm 45.) And spontaneously began remote viewing about a year later. Given that background, I didn't know whether Monroe would be a worthwhile experience for me. I felt "drawn" there, however, and signed-up. It was great. I didn't learn anything new in terms of techniques, but I was able to talk with folks who had similar experiences, "legitimize" and get names for states with which I was already familiar, meet some super people with similar interests, and have a good retreat. When I was younger, I was in a Catholic seminary for eight years. During that time, we always made two retreats a year. I have missed those periods of reflection, sometimes desperately. Monroe was better than most retreats I attended. And that is a tremendous compliment to the Monroe program. I got to have one-on-one time with Joe McMoneagle. I also had plenty of time to discuss things with the facilitators. I unreservedly recommend Monroe Institute courses to everyone. Jerry stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Hello Greg...thanx for the understanding and insightful words..hahaha Gene.. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< I attended Monroe's Gateway Program in November of 1996. I have had OBEs since I was seventeen years old. (Now I'm 45.) And spontaneously began remote viewing about a year later. >> .... woooowwww Jerry, Hi! Quite a talented guy.... :-) Will you share some more experiences/stories with us? Did something trigger the OBEs or did you just realize you were having them? I had them up till about 7 years of age, then they became less and less, or.. :-) ... I recalled them less and less. As a child, I figured they were just a natural part of the sleeptime, which, come to think of it I guess thats just what they are :-) ~Terri~ stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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> Hello Greg...thanx for the understanding and insightful words..hahaha > Gene.. Anytime, man! I just hope that the others on the list can grasp (as do I), that beneath that pugnacious, belligerent, callous exterior, beats a heart of pure gold. A fellow overlord of compassion, Greg stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Amidst the Lyn Gene hoohah of the mighty stags ;-) there were these gems. > It is true that I did >better in CRV, and that I prefer it to ERV any day. Why Lyn, can you explain please? >However, there are >some strengths which ERV has to complement CRV's weaknesses, and I have >worked both quite extensively. Would you like to expand on these strengths and weaknesses, please Lyn. OK, guys, time out's over, back to it. In Friendship and Light. MaryD stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< OK, guys, time out's over, back to it. >> Sorry to disappoint you...my comments to Lyn from this point on will either not occur or will be directed to him in person...no sightseeing this time folks... Gene.. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Interestingly enough, in one makeshift RV experimentation I did a long while ago...the viewer was given a target of Mars surface...Although, he didn't "hit" the target...the gestalt pointed at Army, War..and so forth... at first glance, I dumped the session. After a few days I thought about it...it turns out that Mars is the mythological planet of War. Although, surface area was the target... the viewer seemed to have tapped into Mars mythological gestalt. electrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Too bad you are closing out the discussion with Lynn, G.K. It has been a very interesting and illuminating exchange. The kind of thing one likes to see on a list like this. No harm done. Sincerely, Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< Too bad you are closing out the discussion with Lynn, G.K. It has been a very interesting and illuminating exchange. The kind of thing one likes to see on a list like this. No harm done. >> Call it the arrogance of the old unit but when we disagree we disagree to each other...we have gone through things most folks can only imagine...and frankly...its between Lyn and myself... Gene.. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< After a few days I thought about it...it turns out that Mars is the mythological planet of War. Although, surface area was the target... the viewer seemed to have tapped into Mars mythological gestalt. >> I would come up with another impression / analysis of the comments concerning Mars and the analogy of war...I will not comment on this again so do not come back to me...I will simply state what I witnessed once and that is it... Some of the viewers from the old unit and some of my students when given Mars as a target have come up with essentially the same results...the presence of a ruined fortress site on the face of Mars...destruction to all equipment and inhabitants...remains are still there and in some cases they seem to be still giving off energy or even working. The site destruction would most certainly give off a strong impression of war...much more so than the very abstract concept of Mars as the Greek (or was it Roman) God of war...which would be so obscure as to be absolutely dripping in AOL... thats it...no further comments...no further questions answered on this issue... gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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> first glance, I dumped the session. After a few days I thought about > it...it turns out that Mars is the mythological planet of War. Although, > surface area was the target... the viewer seemed to have tapped into Mars > mythological gestalt. > > electrix Reminds me of a target given to me right after I got back from Paul's class. It was a penny. My session data centered around a small stage / audience / lights etc. My accomplice wondered if it was an attachment to Lincoln and his assasination. These stretches of the imagination are part of the problem with evaluation of sessions. I have been reviewing my practice sessions and swear that there are all kinds of sessions where the data could be swapped between targets and the same evaluation would be made. Maybe this is more common going only through S-3 practice. It seems that a session with very little data could apply to many targets and also, one with a lot of data could apply to several targets because of the variety of data. One odd circumstance: In my target pool are several photos that my mother-in-law took several years ago during a vacation in Europe. I have "pulled" all of these targets at least once over the last year and never have come close to describing them. On the other hand.....I have one target that I have pulled 3 times and each time considered it a hit. It does wonders for my batting average. :) Rich stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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> thats it...no further comments...no further questions answered on this > issue... > gene... My kind of story......I head for the pretzels but enjoy them immensely. I just finished re-reading Schnabel's book and was surprised at all the references in it to ET/UFO experiences attachen to RV and RVers. It didnt register the first time I read it. Anyway, Ed Dames is still updating the world on the "awakining" Martians and he and Courtney Brown long ago evidently went on to the next taskings.....Martians/present location......etc. :) Rich stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Hi all, I just thought I'd make a public spectacle of myself with my latest RV session and 3rd attempt to get into S-4. I was certain that I was at a beach. Must have been wishfull thinking from the weather. The target is more appropo to the recent weather. Take a peek for grins at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/3843/ Rich PS: Site is obviously under construction. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Thanks for the hypothetical feedback. Your comment is noted...I suppose the future will eventually disclose its event. electrix stargate : Message: [stargate]
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On the July 29th "Sightings" radio program, Don Bradley made assertions that German psychics who practiced Satanic rituals etc. ( Operation Paper clip ) were transferred to Menlo Park and SRI with the intent of initiating the remote viewing program. He also proffers allegations ( 2 hours and 27 minutes into the program ) that Remote Viewing tapes ( he states that he has purchased all of them ), have been adulterated with intentional, subliminal messages and changes in the Theta band to ostensibly subjugate and control those listeners. I am interested in comments and observations on both these allegations not only as a neophyte remote viewer, but also as a purchaser of several remote viewing and theta entrainment audio and video tapes. The charges that he makes are quite serious and his diatribe on the genesis of remote viewing reflect negatively on the the RV community. stargate : Message: [stargate]
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Yeah..know what you mean on stretching the information. I must add, though, I am very impartial to esoteric data since I like to be grounded more in reality. I would like to supplement my comment that the viewers, one a lucid dreamer and the other an authentic clairvoyant (she had to pass my stringent test), both got impression of war, equipment and soldiers on the surface. She was more descriptive than the other. Then again some people long ago thought the Moon was made of cheese... electrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Gene Not a question. But your 'mars' rv 'tracks' with one done by our group in 77. Bevy J stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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I can't claim that I know if the story is true or not...Mr. Bradley would have to come up with some substantiating detail supporting information to discredit the entities involved. This posses the question though .... whether he is discrediting the PEOPLE in the community or the PRACTICE of Remote Viewing. If it is the latter, for sure it his dire to find out this man's background. Of course, there is the conspiracy theory of individuals connected to Intelligence going out and forming their own "satanic practices." That wouldn't be unlike MK-Ultra and the LSD program...so it pays to keep one's eye open at all times. I will tell you this though...I KNOW the Theta band is subject to both positive and negative influence. I recently wrote on Steve's BB and earlier stargate mailing list regarding this same topic. People who are messing around at that brainwave level need be cautious. It also applies to the benign Meditation practice. I am not the only one with this theory...dig up April 9 interview with Mr. Targ and Ms. Katra in Sightings...he mentions in that interview about Distant Stearing as pseudo-hypnosis through video and test that have been performed on its validity. The equation: Belief +Attention + Intention = Activates Physiology. Later in the program Jane Katra mentioned the Theta principle which supplements my findings on this same issue. You may check out a transcript interview (Not Sightings) at: http://www.talkcity.com/religions/transcripts/targkatra0312.html Read Ana Wise book on "The High Performance Mind" to learn more about biofeedback, and specifically what she has observed at the Theta range with her Mind Mirror biofeedback device. I hope this helps you to sort out the bullshit from the facts more rationality. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< The charges that he makes are quite serious and his diatribe on the genesis of remote viewing reflect negatively on the the RV community. >> His comments are not worth commenting upon....as for reflecting negatively on the RV community...Oh well....you have believers and non-believers...and rarely will one change to the other side...so why bother... Gene.. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< Gene Not a question. But your 'mars' rv 'tracks' with one done by our group in 77. Bevy J >> I can't tell you how elated and fulfilled that makes me feel... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Regarding the Mars thread, back in the spring I was tasked with a coordinate from a colleague on the internet. I did the session using CRV stages 1-3 and discovered the target to be a scene that resembled the Valley of Fire (AOL) in Nevada, high cliffs, dry, red, where water once cascaded down to a valley floor, consisting of mud pools and hot springs. The colleague informed me that the coordinate referred to "Mars in the past". Kind regards Angela Thompson Smith The Inner Vision Research Institute stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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One problem with RVing the future that is the possibility of mutiple futures. Things like lotteries are going to be difficult or impossible if multiple future lines exist because truly ramdom events would become largely unpredictable even if you knew all the present information possible in some cosmic matrix. Truly random events would eventually be effected by such small changes in variables that it would involve quantum changes, and thus become even theoretically unpredictable. However, RVers should be able to predict events that would be likely in most or all time lines, which could be just as lucrative as lotteries. For instance I work with telomeres and aging, and collaborate with a company ( GERN) that has patents on an enzyme called telomerase, and has shown that cells transfected ( by viral transfer) with their recombinant telomerase enzyme will grow forever without aging (unlike normal cells, which stop growing and become "senescent" after 50 or so doublings). Therefore, a possibility exists that the company will develope drugs that prolong life based on Telomerase. If so, this small company would skyrocket in price and investors make a fortune. Now it may be that no drugs can ever be found that safely prolong lifespan using telomerase...or it may turn out that there are...but it is not random it IS either a possibility or it is not in all time lines. This type of target should be possible for an RVer to determine. Similarly, many other hi-tech startups are based on an idea that may or may not work, and the uncertainty forces down the stock price, as soon as the idea is proven the price will skyrocket, or if disproven go to 0. My question is whether anyone has done this kind of future targeting and if so what are the success ratios. Please lets start a separate string for the ethics of this, and keep this string for whether it's possible. Regards, Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>... If so, this small company would >skyrocket in price and investors make a fortune. Now it may be that no >drugs can ever be found that safely prolong lifespan using >telomerase...or it may turn out that there are...but it is not random it >IS either a possibility or it is not in all time lines. This type of >target should be possible for an RVer to determine. There are other issues, though, such as: Corporate espionage, start-up funding, direction of research, content of research, even the credibility and knowledge of the workers in the company. IMHO, you just couldn't say with any degree of accuracy whether this company would make money or not. Jerry stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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If anyone is on AOL, click here New Age Message Boards then go to MIND and Remote Viewing. >>Braden stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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TRUE Jerry, But for the sake of argument let's assume that those eventualities are all reasonably well disposed of. In fact at Geron I know they have very good scientists and a competant administration. If the potential for such drugs exist they will probably find them. Also, even if the president steals the funds, or the plant gets hit by a meteorite, an investor would have a big advantage knowing the product was possible, and a large number of potential futures (if not all) would reflect this. And so would scientists doing research in that area, whose funding depends eventually on just that feasibility. Best Regards, Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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(snip) To paraphrase, the ideogram is more than a set creature, less than a totally random beast, and just a step in the majority of structured RV processes available. It shouldn't be made out to be as complex as some people would have it be, nor as simple as others would in turn. It is, a completely open arena (and apparently malleable) in the RV sciences. <<<< Excellent summary!!! Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations 37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285 Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com ---- stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>>better in CRV, and that I prefer it to ERV any day. >Why Lyn, can you explain please? I think it is probably because I am too anal retentive. I really like the highly structured environment of CRV. Don't get me wrong... I enjoy ERV very much. The few times the I monitored ERV sessions, I realized how much more work it is on the monitor than CRV is. However, there is much less work for the viewer doing ERV than CRV. As far as the viewer is concerned, there is no apparent structure. In reality, there is a lot of structure, but the monitor is responsible for keeping the viewer in it. In fact, the monitor has an almost impossible job, while the viewer is just lying there having a good old time, visualizing away, getting perceptions and mumbling them out. For the viewer, ERV is sexier, more entertaining, more fun, and much easier than CRV ever could be. For the monitor... well, it takes a special person. (BTW: Gene is one of those special persons who are excellent at monitoring ERV. In many ways, I feel about him the same as I feel about Skip Atwater... that here is one of our natural national treasures. Like I said before, we bicker a lot, but when it comes to getting down and getting the work done, he's one of the best. He's one of only three people I would now trust to monitor me in an ERV session.) Lyn said: >>However, there are some strengths which ERV has to complement CRV's >>weaknesses, and I have worked both quite extensively. To which MaryD replied: >Would you like to expand on these strengths and weaknesses, please Lyn. Well, you already know that CRV's biggest embarrassment is numbers. Second to this is probably the acquisition of names, words, etc. >>>With a good ERV monitor<<<, these aren't nearly as much of a problem in ERV as in CRV. I don't remember whether it was Skip, Liam, or Gene (the three whom I ultimately came to trust as THE top-rate ERV monitors) who ran me on an ERV session once in which I was able to get the name and rank off a military commander's desktop nameplate / pen set. The name and rank were later confirmed as being correct. That would be a miserably hard thing to do in CRV, and would probably take several sessions. That is just one way CRV and ERV compliment each other. There are a lot of others. That's one of the reasons we used both methods. Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations 37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285 Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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At 11:54 AM 7/29/98 EDT, -Terri- wrote: >My 2 cents.... >Well, having completed several Monroe programs, then having Gene 'find' me >and open my eyes to the awesomeness (freedom) of remote viewing, well I can >say I will always be a Monroer first and an RVer second. I think you will find >that a Monroe grad, especially, an Explore 27 grad. will make one hell of a >knock your socks off viewer (if one ever comes to you) Actually, several have come to me, and I am a Monroe grad, myself. (Headed for the Heartline course, next month). Good catch!!! I was guilty of being way too provencial in my answer. The original question was whether or not the Monroe course helps in "remote viewing" (broad term). I wound up addressing the much narrower term of "Controlled Remote Viewing", in which it hasn't been useful much at all >>during the session<< or even in session preparation for "cool down". Your comment shows that there is a much broader answer. That broader answer would seem to be that the Monroe course can help very much, but I would add that you probably must stick to the same general style, such as ERV or OBE. Whether or not >>>having taken<<< the Monroe course sets a person up mentally, emotionally and spiritually for becoming a "better" "remote viewer" addresses a totally different question than the narrow one I was answering. It is also probably a moot question. How can you take someone who has not been through the course and say with any reliability that they would have been better had they taken it? Also, how can you take someone who HAS been through the course and say that they would not have been as good a remote viewer if they hadn't taken it? You can't really say either with great reliability, after the fact. For example, who can say with absolute certainty that you would not have been one hell of a knock your socks off viewer, even without taking the Monroe course? Maybe it is just your natural talent and would have come out either way. There is no way to ever know, now. The Monroe Institute has a "remote viewing" tape they put out, which is supposed to help you do their style of remote viewing. It is a style which has been gained from a lot of studying Joe McMoneagle in his work. That has got to be of pretty good value. So, let me change my answer to be much more specific about it, with the very specific caveat that it is only an answer to one part of the overall "remote viewing" picture: The Monroe >>>tapes<<< and >>>exercises<<< learned at the Monroe course >>>at the level this person would start at<<< have not proven to be an >>>in session<<< aid specifically to working a >>>CRV<<< session. Other people, like yourself, have more input to other forms of remote viewing, and how effective other-than-basic levels of study at the Monroe institute would be toward those forms of remote viewing. I jumped to the assumption that the person who asked the question had not gone to Monroe yet, and if told that the Monroe course were a boon to remote viewing, might attend the first course hoping to come out a confirmed remote viewer. Like I say, parochial thinking on my part. I'm very glad you came back with this comment, since it shows that there are other considerations, and other levels of Monroe training, and that there is more to this question than each person, from their own singular point of view can answer. Good input. Thanks. For me, the bottom line is still that I would recommend the Monroe courses to anyone. Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations 37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, New Mexico 88310 (505) 437-8285 Check out our web page at http://www.crviewer.com stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>There are other issues, though, such as: >Corporate espionage, start-up funding, direction of research, content of >research, even the credibility and knowledge of the workers in the company. >IMHO, you just couldn't say with any degree of accuracy whether this >company would make money or not. > >Jerry I may be missing something, but I don't understand the problem. Surely if an RVer sets out to view the future, as it turns out, in his or her own timeline....then that's what they'll get. -- Regards, Glyn stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Hi Bill, I hear you. But I still think that RVing the future is beset with unforseen circumstances. Heck, even if Lee Iacocca was the President, an RV on the future would be inherently inaccurate because there are no controls. Without controls and confirmation you are just whistling in the wind. However, on a personal level, if I felt confident in such session results, I'd probably trust my instincts. But I would never indicate in a public forum that RVing the future is accurate. Just taint so. Jerry stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Hello Glyn, AS you can see from Jerry's response below, and previous posts by most of the other remote viewers (that I have seen) indicate that targeting the future is very difficult if not impossible. So the question is, can that difficulty be reduced by asking questions that are more or less predetermined. I.E. drugs for aging based on telomerase can be made or they can't be made. That possibility exists or doesn't exist in any future. Can RV determine such possibilities. Or is even this too much. Regards, Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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I have no information on subversion' of Theta. Do know, however, that KOMAR, who holds many Guinness World Records for supporting tremendous weights on his body while on a bed of nails (really) has been tested in laboratories from every imaginable USA University to Red China's PSI labs; and has been found to utilize a Theta brainwave state while doing some of these things. KOMAR is Vernon Craig, has co-authored a book with Brad Steiger called Life Without Pain. (libraries can get it) Has the ability to instantly stop bleeding and in a few hours completely heal deep cuts and gashes (personally observed many times') in this Theta state. This is the reason he is of such interest to the scientific communities worldwide. I have known him since late 1960's. No matter what CSICOP says, he is the real thing. I will be doing the Sightings Show again on Aug 13 and perhaps will get into the brainwave theories, at least to some degree. Theta level has been exhibited in stages of deep meditation as well as in some states of emotion such as total rage. Bevy J stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Jerome Pople wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > I hear you. But I still think that RVing the future is beset with unforseen > circumstances. Heck, even if Lee Iacocca was the President, an RV on the > future would be inherently inaccurate because there are no controls. I don't get it. If a person can predict exact details of an event that won't happen for several years... then it happens exactly as foretold... then the person rv's the future... It's the concept that everything must have "controls" that is "inherently inaccurate".... like trying to put the ocean in a bottle. Trypper ---- stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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> I have no information on subversion' of Theta. > > Do know, however, that KOMAR, who holds many Guinness World Records for >supporting tremendous weights on his body while on a bed of nails (really) has >been tested in laboratories from every imaginable USA University to Red >China's PSI labs; and has been found to utilize a Theta brainwave state while >doing some of these things. [snip] > Theta level has been exhibited in stages of deep meditation as well as in >some states of emotion such as total rage. Theta frequencies occur naturally in the brain under many different conditions. Anyone who does EEG work sees them *regularly* in *every* person studied. They are an indication that the associated area of the brain is idling rather than actively processing. Theta is very prevalent in brain damaged and stroke patients because areas of the cortex have been compromised. Theta occurs often in attention deficit disorder because the neurons that control attention are underdeveloped. There is no justification for giving Theta as such any excess meaning beyond that. The switch is simple turned off in a given cortical center. R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. Corporate and Clinical Psychologist 42 Lenox Pointe Atlanta, GA 30324 stargate : Message: [stargate]
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~~--------ArchivedPostFollows_Yahoo-StarGate_group-000501-000600-----------* From: Doc Subject: Re: Joan - a calm voice in the wilderness > Doc, your approach is sensible and do-able for everyone. Thank you. I'm > still not sure folks like Gary North are making things sound worse than they > will be, or if he is painting a possible terrifying scenario. The *potential* scope and nature of Y2K impacts is virtually incomprehensible. The effects could range from delivery delays for food to groceries and restaurants, to blips in traffic systems and police communications systems. The essential point, though, is to reduce the guesswork and worry factors through dialogue, by calling your PC manufacturers, software vendors, banks, credit card companies and vendors, then communicating about the results of those dialogues openly and calmly. I can email a best-case/worst case scenario to any interested parties on request, with specific examples of industries and services/goods affected, though this is *strictly* a semi-educated wild guess. > it occurred to me that it might be a sensible idea if I were to get all my > stock certificates sent to me in case of crashes at my stockbroker. What > your reaction to this idea? The securities industry can be a peculiar domain for this subject. Prime players with automated systems (in the US) include depositories, custodians, transfer agents, paying agents, dividend reinvestment agents, etc. The minimalist approach suggests keeping hard copy records of all ownership, registration, custodianship and transactions in a very safe place in your home. While it might be tempting to hold the certificate(s) physically, it doesn't guarantee access to transactions if the underlying system is down. > Also, I'm thinking of purchasing an inhome safe - vaults too run on > computers. What do the rest of you think? At the risk of oversimplifying the matter, I simply wouldn't keep anything in a vault that I might need access to between 6/99 and 2/00. And I would pay very close attention to Y2K related news from now until 6/99 to develop an *incremental* approach to Y2K preparation. This approach reduces abrupt panic-shifts in market activity which directly affect all of us. > **** Re: Subject Y2K Gimme info, Data, Fact -- Ed Wood > ...some potentially serious issues developing not only in the former USSR, > but possibly in other third world countries. The international dynamics of Y2K are especially complicated guesswork. But if you think through the supply and information chains (for goods, services and data that affect you) one step at a time, you'll see how shipping, transportation and communication (private, corp, gov and even military) could be affected in isolated, periodic and intermittent ways for quite a while. Doc Hammel OPSEC http://opsec.net doc@... *
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R. Michael O'Bannon wrote: > At 07:57 PM 7/31/98 -0400, you wrote: > [snip] > > There is no justification for giving Theta as such any excess meaning > beyond that. The switch is simple turned off in a given cortical center. > > R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D. "Theta" has become the RV holy grail or buzz word. Thetas relevance in Rv is only at the handshake point between low alpha and high theta where the primary and sub consciousness aspects of mind exchange control. To the disciplined mind with a clear intent and query this window of opportunity affords access to clear target data without the pesky interference of either deductive reasoning or imagination. Depending on the stamina of the viewer or skill of his/her monitor how long they can maintain stability in that very small window and collect congruant target data. If the viewer falls asleep.. session is over. Anything one does not understand appears as magic. Just because this has been tested and labeled, does not mean it takes any less hard work to effectively employ the phenomena. Throwing the name around does not mean the person using the term understands or can utilize it's potential anymore than a tourist looking at the weights Mr. "I'll be back" Swartzinegger (sp) lifts regularly to maintain his physique. To some they are just very big paper weights, to most theta is just a natural untapped state of being that occurs as you fall asleep. Aloha Yaana stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< I don't get it. If a person can predict exact details of an event that won't happen for several years... then it happens exactly as foretold... then the person rv's the future... >> OK...let me be a bit "parochial" as Lyn says....stick with me here, this gets a bit esoteric...The future has not happened (duh!!! hahaha) therefore it has not happened yet...(double duh!!!!!....). Since it has not happened but is still "viewable" by the Remote Viewer, then it has to be presumed that even after it is viewed IT IS NOT SET..it is not engraved in the book of time and cannot be changed...that only occurs in the past..you cannot change the past since it IS ENGRAVED...So, if a viewer takes the gamble to view the future all they are looking at is a future which is still forming...still existing in a broad series of fractals (Paul Smith taught me that term)...If you simply view it...and do not do anything which would impact upon the future which you viewed, then it is likely to occur that way (unless of course any number of a billion billion other things do not occur which may drive us to another fractal in the fabric of time. If, however, you become one of the billion billion little beating butterflies that choose to attempt to change the future, it most definitely will change...i.e.. trying to view the lottery numbers from the future then trying to play them....on the other hand, if you viewed yourself actually winning in the future, then if none of the other billion billion variables attempt to change the future, chances are that you will actually win...of course that presumes you know exactly when it is in the future that you are viewing and where...you may only think you are viewing the Power Ball from last week...but in reality you may be viewing the lottery in Rome, Italy in the year 2001 after Y2K and the collapse of economies world wide...Yep, you guessed it...you won 268M..but it was in Lira...and Lira from the year 2001 which are worth about 268K per dollar...(just like the current Turkish Lira...check today's newspaper..I am not lying...)...so instead of winning the makings of a Kings Ransom...you just won enough for a day at Disneyworld...The future is tricky business...don't take it seriously... Gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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At 11:17 PM 7/31/98 +0100, you wrote: Hi Glynn, No, actually without any way to assess the info, there is no certainty. Things may happen which affect the outcome which a viewer is not aware. Don't forget, time is not a continuum, but rather a parallel dimension. Jerry stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Hi Trypper, Let me explain again. In an RV situation, a target is assigned by a third party. The Viewer and the Monitor (usually) don't know the target. Accuracy is assessed by the third party. If the monitor knows the target, he/she may tip-off the viewer with subconscious cues. That's a no-no. Your own AOL of the future is a roadblock as well. Now, Clairvoyance is a different thing entirely. Seeing the future has been done and is currently being done by gifted individuals. But, it is not RV. "Psychic seeing" is not RV and RV is not "psychic seeing". RV is a protocol driven procedure used by individuals for viewing targets - it is not a way to view the future. Sometimes people do, and that's OK. But, it is inaccurate and uncontrolled. In other words, you could, and most likely will, get burned. Jerry stargate : Message: [stargate]
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R. Michael O'Bannon wrote: > Theta frequencies occur naturally in the brain under many different > conditions. Anyone who does EEG work sees them *regularly* in *every* > > person studied. They are an indication that the associated area of > the > brain is idling rather than actively processing. Theta is very > prevalent > in brain damaged and stroke patients because areas of the cortex have > been > compromised. Theta occurs often in attention deficit disorder because > the > neurons that control attention are underdeveloped. Precisely, and let's not forget that's where subliminal advertisement messages are embedded while we are not paying ATTENTION. The state, as oppose to the frequency, is what I am directing this issue towards. It is an open state of receptivity and activity against the body, since that is hypothetically where the subliminal messages lies to affect the conscious decisions of its victim. It is also the "area" where repressed memories are likely to be activated if abruptly accessed, which could trigger physiological reaction. In a recent documentary called The Dream Files, it was noted that there are several stages a night a person goes though in accessing theta state (since it must seek Delta to be in REM state). The first stage is usually of the theta encounter the person goes through disturbing experiences during sleep, only to mellow out during the night (in fact, every 90 minutes or so we are cycling through the state levels through out the day). Furthermore, if the 1st stage "loops,"...meaning, if we do not consummate the 1st stage requirement, it triggers nightmares or we wake up at the "wrong side of the bed." Certainly, theta is a natural state. It is natural state because the conscious mind seeks to avoid the area at all cost as a protective mechanism. However, if we willfully seek to enter or actively disturb this area, we are increasing the chance of contacting unwanted experience or being influenced. Note...I am saying that if we WILLFULLY seek to engage that area we MAY trigger unwanted reactions. Furthermore, at any time of the day our theta receptivity IS open for subliminal messages...any study in this area will tell you that having no attention on the advertisement will get through into that open receptivity to affect our taste of that product or the condition. > There is no justification for giving Theta as such any excess meaning > beyond that. The switch is simple turned off in a given cortical > center. > Yes, as long as we are ATTENTIVE. Although, on the later statement I have seen no studies that correlates the physiological anatomy of the brain correlating or being the CAUSE of brain wave frequency. So, whether there is "justification." is a question of how attentive one wishes to be. electrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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> view it...and do not do anything which would impact upon the future which you > viewed, then it is likely to occur that way (unless of course any number of a > billion billion other things do not occur which may drive us to another > fractal in the fabric of time. If, however, you become one of the billion > billion little beating butterflies that choose to attempt to change the > future, it most definitely will change... Not necessarily... you could interact with the future potential and it could still turn out the way you "saw" it. You could alter the course of events yourself... change the fractal just a little bit. >of course that presumes you know exactly when it is in the > future that you are viewing and where...you may only think you are >viewing the> Power Ball from last week...but in reality you may be >viewing the lottery in Rome, Italy in the year 2001 after Y2K and the >collapse of economies world That doesn't make sense... if you are there... if you are viewing it.. you should be able to figure out when and where you are. There should be some clues in the environment... don't you think? ... oh.. I get it.. the coordinates thing.. you guys only see the specific thing you coordinate on.. is that it? You don't 'see' the whole thing? >..The future is tricky business...don't take it seriously... > Gene... > ---- Hey!! you're right.. don't take anything seriously.. :-) Trypper ---- stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Jerome Pople wrote: > > At 11:17 PM 7/31/98 +0100, you wrote: > Hi Glynn, > > No, actually without any way to assess the info, there is no certainty. > Things may happen which affect the outcome which a viewer is not aware. That doesn't make sense to me either... either the info validates itself or it doesn't... if you rv the future and it happens.. then you actually saw it and it is validated.. it happened.. If it doesn't happen, then you didn't really see anything... you just imagined it.... or better yet.. you changed it.

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