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stargate : Message: Re: [stargate] 
Red and Black Cards
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13:11:49
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Re: [stargate] Red and Black Cards In a message dated 7/11/98 4:06:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, taosk8r@... writes: << Not to mention Prudence Calabrese's lottery group, which has done quite well.. Sorry if I seem to be harping on her, but I assure you, it is merely circumstantial.. http://www.largeruniverse.com >> Gosh darn..that's odd...when I had dinner with Pru the discussion on RI and lotteries did not seem to indicate that at all...but what do I know...I was only talking to her personally and I guess I was captivated by her loveliness...the fact is that people who actually believe their minds can control (let alone read) numbers in the altered state are not going to be persuaded by other facts calling upon common sense...there minds are made up and usually quite closed to serious discussions even from people who have been at the business for a decade or more...but for the benefit of those who are reading this message and slavering all over yourselves at the prospect of making millions in the lotteries..considre these facts...then go buy you dollar ticket at the 7-11 1. Since time and space drop out of the equation in the altered state....how can you be sure of the actual date or place you are supposedly seeing the six numbers in a standard state lottery. Can you be sure the buck you spend in Virginia based upon the wonders of RV is actually for six numbers in the next lottery in Virginia...How do you know those wonderful six numbers are not the numbers from six weeks ago or for six weeks from now...better yet..how do you know if the numbers are actually from the Virginia lottery and not from the German or French lottery or California or Japanese lottery...remember time and space don't count... 2. Look at the number 6...now look at the number 9...If you do not know what is up or down...like an astronaut in space...how can you be sure the 6 or is it a 9 is actually right side up... 3. Look at the following six numbers...6 - 16 - 24 - 28 - 31 - 43...These are winners incidentally...GUARANTEED...They are my numbers...I play them twice a week and have played them now for four years...I have won about $1,000 so I am ahead...No RV..I just used birthdays and ages of my family...stuff like that...Now look at these six numbers... 6 - 16 - 42 - 28 - 13 - 34...note that all of the number from the first six numbers are there...the sequence in which they appear have been changed slightly...very slightly...but this six number sequence would not have won the $1,000 would it...So how can someone be so sure that the six numbers are THAT correct and are PERFECTLY aligned that they represent the actual six numbers... 4. Finally, an I realize I am probably flogging a dead horse on this one...but playing a future lottery using RV is actually using RV to read the future. Since the future is not set .. subtle changes made in the present will affect the outcome of the future...makingwhat you see no longer valid..At the time you have viewed the six numbers..you presumbly have not already played the numbers...therefore by actually playing them after viewing them..you have affected the future...sorry...you have doused you own fire when you do this... But, like I said...aspiring millionaires will not be deterred by voices of reason so please continiue to play your dollars...7-11 appreciates it and so do I because it tends to build the pots up to very respectable amounts which will eventually be paid to someone like me...Hahahah Gene.. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Warning/ memory loss?
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13:11:58
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Re: [stargate] Warning/ memory loss? Paul H. Smith wrote: > I seem to recall it was B1; but I think the solution is to take a > broad-spectrum supplement so you be sure and get what you need-- Nowadays the broad spectrum vitamin/mineral supplements are fairlywell-balanced. You will note that B1, 2, and 6 are present in much smaller amounts than B-12. Plus the multi-vitamin approach contains essential minerals such as calcium/magneseum that assist in the body's assimilation of any vitamin. One vitamin taken alone is unlikely to be of much benefit and (just like too much Guinness in excess) certain vitamins can indeed be harmful. Before embarking on any regimen other than a simple multi-vitamin approach, I'd get one of the many good books that are out there and read up on the subject. Shelia stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
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13:12:14
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Re: [stargate] Red and Black Cards Curran2106@... wrote: > 1. Since time and space drop out of the equation in the altered state....how > can you be sure of the actual date or place you are supposedly seeing the six > numbers in a standard state lottery. I am reminded of one of the winners of the Texas lottery. The man had a dream inwhich he saw all six of the winning numbers. Now this was a simple man with no knowledge of the subtler issues surrounding psi; and yet even he knew that although the numbers were the winning numbers, that when they might appear was up for grabs. So he simply bet his set of numbers every week for one year: and won. Shelia stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Peer Review
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13:12:23
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Re: [stargate] Peer Review >Steve, and anybody else with a scientific background, I would be happy to >assist you in any way I can. I worked at the PEAR Lab from 1987 through >1992 as research assistant, as well as participating in other psi lab >research (PK and RV). Angela, I am very interested in your offer of help and would greatly appreciate any help, especially in the early stages. I'll be in touch with e-mail on you about this, but I just wanted to take the chance to say thanks for the offer.. I'd welcome and and all tips or advice from ex- or current-laboratory scientists working in this field in setting up this online experiment. Thanks! Steve. stargate : Message: [stargate]
describing the wrong ideogram
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13:12:37
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Hi, Pardon my intrusion on the current threads of psi experiments and psi ethics, but I had a question regarding coming up with Phase 2 descriptors for the wrong Phase 1 ideograms. I recently did a practice target without a monitor, in which the feedback photo showed two famous people waving as they were driving by a crowd of people. The ideograms, that I came up with were: Natural Biological Land Motion Manmade When I went to Phase 2, I came up with 14 descriptors for the Natural Ideogram which by looking at the feedback seemed to actually be descriptors for one of the manmades. This section also produced a Phase 3 drawing, which somewhat matched the descriptors for the same manmade. When I did the Phase 2 for the Biological, I got a SC/AOL which was "there are no biologicals". Nothing more came in for the Biological. I moved onto the Land ideogram, and wrote down descriptors, which were either wrong or unverifiable. The same for the Motion ideogram. (I did have a SC/AOL which was "there is no motion", but managed to come up with a couple of descriptors). Finally, with the Manmade ideogram, I came up with some descriptors which matched aspects of some of the Manmades. Besides working with a capable monitor, what could I do to remedy these types of problems when working alone? If this was a real vs. practice target, would any of the scrambled data be salvagable? Regards, Roger stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Warning/ memory loss?
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13:12:47
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Re: [stargate] Warning/ memory loss? Taking vitamins is an art in itself.... Yes..the whole spectrum of nutrients must be consider when taking vitamins since one type may deplenish the activity of another. Also, vitamins are basically co-enzymes....they do nothing unless you are backing it up with good meals. As far as vitamins, I would recommend those vitamins that stimulate the mental function and do not interfere with the balance of the body system...such as Lecithin, Choline, Phosphatidylserine. In herbs Ginko Biloba and Gotu Kola. Of course this is a simplified intake since, for example, Choline depends on B5 to assimilate it.... So, the idea that you can take just one B vitamin or the B Complex alone is a farce. electrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
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13:12:59
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Hi Gene: I was one of 50 to 60 people trying to guess lottery numbers through Pru's TDS site. We were broken into 3 groups. According to Pru's feedback, at least 2, if not all 3 groups made some money. Not piles of money, mind you, but one group accrued about $1100 according to Prudence. And that was only with buying a single ticket for each draw. I wonder if you had dinner with her prior to this. ?? Not _all_ of your objections would apply. We were not trying to "view" the numbers. We used an associative scheme whereby the fingers and thumbs of our hands indicated single digits. Therefore, the upside down 9 versus 6 issue was irrelevant. As for your objections about viewing the correct date of the lottery, wouldn't it be enough to simply state which lottery you are targetting and give a date in the tasking? A "dead horse" you say? Huh! Gambling will never be a dead horse! Do I expect to win doing this? Heck, I don't know. But I'll tell you this. It's interesting and it's kind of fun. Don't want to hear 15 year RV veterans tell me it can't be done. :<) Gene wrote: >Gosh darn..that's odd...when I had dinner with Pru the discussion on RI and >lotteries did not seem to indicate that at all...but what do I know...I was >only talking to her personally and I guess I was captivated by her >loveliness... Rick Stordeur Vancouver Island stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
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13:13:18
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Rick Stordeur wrote: > Hi Gene: > > I was one of 50 to 60 people trying to guess lottery numbers through Pru's > TDS site. We were broken into 3 groups. According to Pru's feedback, at > least 2, if not all 3 groups made some money. Not piles of money, mind you, > but one group accrued about $1100 according to Prudence. And that was only > with buying a single ticket for each draw. I wonder if you had dinner with > her prior to this. ?? > I was in group 2. Everyone made a little money. We each turned in our numbers on the day of the lottery. Pru would look them over and take the numbers that were duplicated, and buy a ticket for each group. We were just going to start rolling the winnings into some more tickets, so each team member could win $50 or $100 instead of $50 or $100 to be split by the team, when Pru started traveling and was not home enough to do the lottery any more.. it is still a good idea. Gives you incentive to practice, and has definitely verifiable results. Aloha Yaana stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards--lottery
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13:13:31
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> > I was one of 50 to 60 people trying to guess lottery numbers through Pru's > > TDS site. We were broken into 3 groups. According to Pru's feedback, at > > least 2, if not all 3 groups made some money. Not piles of money, mind you, > > but one group accrued about $1100 according to Prudence. And that was only > > with buying a single ticket for each draw. I wonder if you had dinner with > > her prior to this. ?? > > > I was in one of the groups and was supposed to be a few bucks ahead. I guess its still in the kitty. It was an interesting experiment. I was never comfortable with the method and if getting RV data seems detached....the finger exercise was even more "remote". As often as not I didn't send in any numbers because I didn't "get" any numbers. I didn't want to contaminate the pool. What was interesting was that there did seem to be an extraordinary hit rate. Maybe someone can obtain the data from Prudence. But...also she was using some kind of number crunching method to select from all the numbers sent to her. It would seem that this part of the process would totally overlay or distort any psi data unless somehow the universal whatever is itself a big number cruncher. The bottom line is that the process seemed to be producing some unusual results, didnt take much time to do, and was easier then going out for a quick pick.....especially living in North Carolina....where there are no lotteries. Rich stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
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13:13:42
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<< Don't want to hear 15 year RV veterans tell me it can't be done. :<) >> Sorry...but it can't be done...horse is now dead...I will not comment on it again...enjoy your villa in Barbadoes and your Aston Martin... gene... stargate : Message: [stargate]
Question...
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13:13:53
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For you military RV studs and other skilled RV'ers. Have you found that having a session in the same room together contaminates the session. Also, does Hal Puthoff holds seminars? electrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
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13:14:03
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> > But, like I said...aspiring millionaires will not be deterred by voices of > > reason so please continiue to play your dollars...7-11 appreciates it and so > > do I because it tends to build the pots up to very respectable amounts which > > will eventually be paid to someone like me...Hahahah > > > > Gene.. Actually with the lottery club, there was no need to try and break the bank. A group of people targeting the next drawing, and combining results can consistently get a better than even return. If from a $1 dollar investment the proceeds are rolled into new tickets, this little amusement and practice exercise can develop quite nicely, without having to hit the big one. If the only validation is viewed as breaking the bank, the more intelligent strategy of just consistently beating the odds and rolling over your winnings, is overlooked. Aloha Yaana stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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13:14:15
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electrix wrote: > [snip]. > > Have you found that having a session in the same room together > contaminates the session. > > [snip] > electrix Dear Electrix, This would probably be a good question submit to Leonard Buchanan. You maybe remember that Lyn - first choosed to train people *individualy* in RV, - an now teaches CRV to groups. This would be probably also a good question to Angela Thompson-Smith (Inner Vision Institute, Las Vegas NV), or Bevy Jaegers (U.S Psi Squad, St-Louis MO). Both of them have an experience in teaching efficiently various kinds of RV methods to small groups in the same room. Imho, this question raises an interresting point concerning not so much the session itself (which looks often as a very individual-inner-process, even in groups) than the result of the session. I remember, for example, that we did once a group RV session with 14 persons in the same room. We were given a sealed enveloppe, which circulated from hand to hand, and we had to view the origin of the content. The answers were as follows: - for the two firts persons : Mediterranean Sea - and suddenly for the eleven next persons : Greece. When it came to the last viewer to answer, he said "Greece" too ! At the end of the exercise, the teacher opened the enveloppe and showed us a little beige stone from a Romanian bridge called "Le pont du Gard" (South part of France). We were all wrong except the last guy who revealed afterwards that he had the good answer but changed his mind at the last minute after discovering what was answered by the most part of the groupe :) A friend of mine underlined at that occasion that this is a well-know experience in group-psychology (for details see Solomon Ash [1951, 1955, 1956]) on influencing and/or conformity effects. To make it short, if I remember well : when 9 people in a group of 10 persons answer "yes" to a question (even if this answer is wrong) the last person to talk may say "yes" too, under group's pressure, in around 33% of the cases (even if this last person thinks the good answer to the question is "no"). Hope this helps. Thanks electrix, thanks Steve for this interesting forum. Jean-Luc. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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13:14:30
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hm15 wrote: > electrix wrote: > > > [snip]. > > > > Have you found that having a session in the same room together > > contaminates the session. > > > > [snip] > > > electrix > HI Electrix, In HRVG we hold class 3 times a week. In these classes we will have from 4 to 14 students all shooting the same targets. For the most part we shoot validation targets, targets that at the end of class you can look at the data and know whether it is good or not. What happens in the group is that generally one person will get what we call the sweet spot, the most direct congruent aspect of the target, the others pick up on upper and lower side band aspects, that is to say some may focus on details of terrain or structures or equipment or associated people, that were at target but not the main aspect. Viewers not on the sweet spot will still have good target data, but the majority of their data will be on another aspect of the target. Shooting targets in a group gives a greater volume of data for the analyst, particular focus is put on things that show up in 2 or more sessions, most of our students will get good congruent target data each session now, but depending on the clarity of focus and how well it is recorded. Some may have basic gestalts, say tall verticals, while another may draw the Tower of London, with details of the gates and draw bridge. Practice and discipline, as well as having a good day contribute to the level of clarity and therefor how much high level data is recorded. The HRVG works targets in groups all the time, our homework is done solo, some like homework better because if they are disciplined they are guaranteed the sweet spot, they do not have to compete for it. But group sessions have a very valuable contribution to project development with intricate data. If you want to see some examples of this work go to www.hrvg.org we have post many of our sessions as well as practice targets. Aloha Yaana stargate : Message: [stargate]
Question 2: Physiology
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I noticed that while doing several sessions in the RV workshop, I became "drained" for a lack of better word. It was almost like lethargy in that, even though I was anxious to tackle more sessions it was like my body was saying "no, I just want to relax." When I felt the "vibe" of the group, it felt the same way...as if everyone was interested in learning more but would delay its progress by prolonging the question and answer periods. In the past, doing other practices, this has came up. It was the use of excessive mental activity that slumped my body. Usually, I would rejuvinate by observing the environment. Any of you ran into this physiological reaction? electrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
describing the wrong ideogram
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13:14:57
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Hi Roger; Liam here. First of all the site is a stage 4 site and IMO it cannot be resolved in stage 2 or 3. (I will not even go into the time problems of viewing an event that took place in the past. It can easily be done, but it MUST be addressed in the tasking) I am not sure what a biological ideogram is. Normally, at least for me, that infomation comes in very easily in stage 4. For me, stage 2s tend to relate to the entire site, rather han a specific ideogram. \Stage 2s in stage 4 are T specific. My wife, and some students, can put stage 2 descriptors towards a specific ideogram, so I know it can be done. But with stage 4 it is much more certain. I do not know this helped anyslainte May the force be with you Liam > >Pardon my intrusion on the current threads of psi experiments and psi ethics, >but I had a question regarding coming up with Phase 2 descriptors for the; >wrong >Phase 1 ideograms. I recently did a practice target without a monitor, in >which the feedback photo showed two famous people waving as they were >driving by a crowd of people. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question 2: Physiology
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13:15:05
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Hi Liam here Remote viewing is tiring. endurance must be built up.A long session is like running a Martha, or boxing 10 rounds. It takes time to recover. A monitor always watches for the fatigue factor. fatigue tends to degrade information. slainte May the force be with you Liam stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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13:15:17
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> For the most part we shoot validation targets, targets that at the end of > class you can look at the data and know whether it is good or not. What > happens in the group is that generally one person will get what we call the > sweet spot, the most direct congruent aspect of the target, the others pick > up on upper and lower side band aspects, that is to say some may focus on > details of terrain or structures or equipment or associated people, that > were at target but not the main aspect. Viewers not on the sweet spot will > still have good target data, but the majority of their data will be on > another aspect of the target. > That is consistent with what I observed in my sessions in a group. What I always wonder, is why isn't double-blind session used for training. It seems that if the monitor is front loaded it is easy to make the analysis interpretation from the session results to the target. I would be interested in knowing if any instructor use the double-blind method, make the analysis, gather all common Gestalt items and THEN present the students with the Target to look at the congruency. > The HRVG works targets in groups all the time, our homework is done solo, > some like homework better because if they are disciplined they are > guaranteed the sweet spot, they do not have to compete for it. But group > sessions have a very valuable contribution to project development with > intricate data. I like this idea of weekly classes instead of the weekend workshop or one week session arrangement. I believe you are right. Some day(s), we are not up to performing well. Lord help the novice if we are on the weekend course and that attitude kicks in. > If you want to see some examples of this work go to www.hrvg.org we have > post many of our sessions as well as practice targets. Been there and done that! I am impressed! thanks electrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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13:15:28
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> I would be interested in knowing if any instructor use the double-blind method, > make the analysis, gather all common Gestalt items and THEN present the students > with the Target to look at the congruency. > Our instructor gives as a lecture for an hour, then puts the target ID on the board and leaves for an hour and a half. When he return we review everyone s work, discuss we we "KNOW" about the target, and after what seems an eternity, get to see what the target is :D Aloha Yaana stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
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13:15:48
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>Since the future is not set .. subtle changes made in the present >will affect the outcome of the future...making what you see no longer valid..At >the time you have viewed the six numbers..you presumbly have not already >played the numbers...therefore by actually playing them after viewing >them..you have affected the future...sorry...you have doused you own fire when >you do this... > Hello Gene, How does this stack up then with Joes new book, in which he rvs the (potential) future? Does the writing and publishing of it somewhat invaldate it? If so, why bother. Regards, MaryD stargate : Message: [stargate]
Real time targets
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13:15:58
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Please offer some advice and means for setting myself real time targets. Thankyou in advance, MaryD stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question 2: Physiology
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From: electrix Subject: [stargate] Question 2: Physiology >I noticed that while doing several sessions in the RV workshop, I became >"drained" for a lack of better word. It was almost like lethargy in............ >In the past, doing other practices, this has came up. It was the use of >excessive mental activity that slumped my body. Usually, I would >rejuvinate by observing the environment. > >Any of you ran into this physiological reaction? >> Hi electrix, Yes, I have experienced the lethargy, actually I am just flat out of it, the body and actions of it running on pure rote, particularly after viewing a strong energy target. The only way I have found to bring my main view point back to physical, is to just give in, and "sleep it off," sort a speak ... after writing down the target data, I lay down go into deep sleep for a bit, wake up with a much clearer head (phased back into the physical view), and tons of energy, strength in my body...... That is works best for me. ~Terri~ P.S. go do your Gateway program. stargate : Message: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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13:16:18
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Hi everybody, I was just wondering what would happen if a viewer went through a known dimensional portal. Would it be similiar to where a person can go to levels 34 and 35 (non physical) as taught by the Monroe Institute. It is said that a person can't stay at levels 34/35 for very long or they won't come back -- they will lose their earth ties and will die. Does anyone know anything about this? Is it safe to go through a dimensional portal? What could happen? Just wondering about this wonderful world of ours! Jane stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
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13:16:29
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In a message dated 7/12/98 10:36:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ladyley@... writes: << How does this stack up then with Joes new book, in which he rvs the (potential) future? Does the writing and publishing of it somewhat invaldate it? If so, why bother. >> Mary...You are not reading my postings....What I said was that the future is not set....You most certainly can view the future and if you do nothing to attempt to change it...it will occur as you see it...If, on the other hand, you take pro-active steps to affect the future...then it changes...The old military unit was sometime used by the Secret Service to view specific places where the President would speak and to see if there was "future" danger....If we saw something...an explosion, a gunshot .. fire...etc...they would take very proactive steps to change the scenario of the planned appearance and shazzaaammmm...Nothing happened....Were we wrong in what we saw...?...I don't know but I know the SS thought enough of our techniques to make the changes... Regards...Gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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13:16:40
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<< Is it safe to go through a dimensional portal? What could happen? Just wondering about this wonderful world of ours! Jane ---- >> Jane...One of my recent graduates...I think you know her...was introduced to several "dimensional" gateways and came away from them feeling great. She is a courageous and gifted viewer but I intentionally rigged the session so that her contact with these gateways were only peripheral to prevent her from passing through these gateways. I regret it now because she found out what I did and gave me hell for it. It was an old bias of mine and I unnecessarily foisted it on her. I have other places that seem to be gateways to other dimensions / universes and one day I will slip one of these to her in a practice session and this time I will give her enough lead to permit her to pass through. When that happens, I will let you know if she ever returns..hahah Gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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13:16:51
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>is said that a person can't stay at levels 34/35 for very long or they >won't come back -- they will lose their earth ties and will die. I have no personal experience with wave VI, as I am just beginning. I have, however, had some friends relate to me that they feel as long as you intend to return you will. Whether this has any basis as being factual or not I can't say. I would imagine that your state of mind has alot to do with the results though. Again...I am a novice and this is just pondering on my part. Siochain, Vikki stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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Hi Vikki, Yes, I have heard the same thing -- that the intent is what gets you there and what gets you back. So, you have received training at Monroe? What programs have you done? Jane stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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13:17:19
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> Yes, I have heard the same thing -- that the intent is what gets you >there and what gets you back. It makes sense to me that that would be true. Similar, I think, to what some refer to as cording yourself, but instead of the visualization of a physical cord it is all contained within ones desire and intent to return. Same thing, I suppose just a different way of going about it. > So, you have received training at Monroe? What programs have you done? Oh No! I haven't trained at the Monroe Institute, not that I wouldn't love to one day ;-) I have started the Gateway series here at home. In the future, when the boy-child is a bit older and I have a few less animals to look after.... ;-) Have you studied at Monroe? I would very much love to hear of your experiences whether at Monroe or at home. If this is an inappropriate topic for this list please feel free to post me privately. Siochain, Vikki stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
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13:17:33
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Gene, You never cease to amaze me, when you come up with little gems like this. You guys are fascinating. Do you realise this? I'm _not_ sticking any of you on an even higher pedestal than you already are, or I wouldn't be able to see you. Regards MaryD. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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13:17:43
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Gene wrote:- >Jane...One of my recent graduates...I think you know her...was introduced to >several "dimensional" gateways and came away from them feeling great. And added >I have other places that seem to be gateways to other >dimensions / universes Gene would you please expand on this.!?!?! Inquisitive as ever....MaryD. Of course, you could always ask the bl##dy woman (me) to shut up. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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> dimensions / universes and one day I will slip one of these to her in a > practice session and this time I will give her enough lead to permit her to > pass through. When that happens, I will let you know if she ever > returns..hahah > Gene... > ---- Dear Gene, Since your gifted student is my dear friend, I just wanted to know if it was safe to go through an interdimensional portal. I know she has gone through other types of what I would call "magic" places, but this is something different. To your knowledge has anyone ever tried it? I have these fears that she will try it and won't come back to her body -- leaving it in a comotose state, or will come back psychotic. Yes, I know I am a worrier, but I do not want to lose a good friend. ON THE OTHER HAND, oh the stories she could tell!!! Ha ha ha... Jane stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel-Monroe
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13:19:36
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<< >is said that a person can't stay at levels 34/35 for very long or they >won't come back -- they will lose their earth ties and will die. I have no personal experience with wave VI, OK.... you all, discussing on of my favorite focus levels... I have spent a great deal of time exploring the focus 34 etc... I go, I come back, (simply shift my point of view) I am alive and kicking ... its a great place to visit but I cant -wont-dont wanna live there... (I have as my major, a physical viewpoint right now) I dont have nor need any guides, no silver cords nor tethers, no "protection," no crystals, no prayers, no chants, no incense burning, blah blah blah blahs ... just my little old self comes and goes as I will or change my point of view.... also no fear. BIG PLUS. (what I am is magic :-) as I am just beginning. I have, however, had some friends relate to me that they feel as long as you intend to return you will. Whether this has any basis as being factual or not I can't say. I would imagine that your state of mind has alot to do with the results though. Again...I am a novice and this is just pondering on my part. Siochain, Vikki >> stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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13:19:46
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<< Gene would you please expand on this.!?!?! Inquisitive as ever....MaryD. Of course, you could always ask the bl##dy woman (me) to shut up. ---- >> Mary...I never tell people to shut up...they usually tell me to piped down...What I was saying is that there are certain sites which have very strong energies and when approached in RV altered state, there is a consistent reference by all viewers to the fact of these energies and the fact it seems to lead somewhere...I will not say where these are since that serves no purpose however Liam and I both have had experiences with our students in which these sites were encountered and wonderous and exhilerating things happen... Gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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13:19:58
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<< To your knowledge has anyone ever tried it? I have these fears that she will try it and won't come back to her body -- >> Jane...Remember..when you are RV'ing a site, you are not really there...only your mental state is there....not your body..therefore it would be impossible for a viewer's body NOT to come back..they are not there...as far as their minds being left behind...also not possible...in reality only one side of the mind is actually viewing (the right side) and when a viewer wakes..it goes into a subservient role and allows the Left side to take over....in other words...if a viewer goes into a dimensional warp or whatever it is...if they do not respond to verbal commands to return (and that happens very often incidentally...viewers sometimes like being where they are)...all the monitor has to do is go over to them and give them a nudge of a pinch and shazaam...they are Left Brain back in the room and complaining about the pinch...Go ahead and knock yourself out in these sites....when the commericial come on...you will wake up... Gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel-Monroe
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>I dont have nor need any guides, no silver cords nor tethers, no >"protection,"no crystals, no prayers, no chants, no incense burning, >blah blah blah blahs ... just my little old self comes and goes as I >will or change my point of view.... also no fear. Agreed. Although I've been tsk tsk'd by some of my more new agey friends as they are quite convinced that unless I start protecting myself I'm going to become a Scoobie snack for some evil entity ;-) Oh..well..their fear. For myself, I prefer looking at the whole experience from a learning/gathering perspective. Each experience being wonderful and as you say magic in and of itself. Siochain, Vikki stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...group training
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13:20:27
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Jean Luc: In answer to your Post on 'influencing' other viewers, this is the reason that our training methods in group prohibit any spoken words. The target input MUST be written down by each viewer. We discovered that fact early on when inquiring Police would attend meetings and what they said tended to influence Psi Squad Members. In one case, the cops were certain a girl had been kidnapped and killed. However, we thought she was alive and in CA. It took a while to sort that one out, but she definitely was alive and in CA. Group training is hard enough, without control and careful techniques. It can be done, but the fules have to be followed. As the Psi Squad also works in/as a group, from 3 to 12 members present at a meeting, the same rules are always followed, and all rv information is first hand-written onto a Squad Response Form way before any verbal discussion. When working online, this is not a problem. Bevy J stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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13:20:36
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elextrix: As you will have gathered from response to 'Question' some of us do hold group Seminars. Since 1965 in my/our case. In such training there must be rules, and this factor of 'contamination' is a highly important one in several ways, not just the verbal-response one. :) It would be better, perhaps if all training was done one-on-one, but that is not always possible for all of us who do train. However, there are always ways to prohibit each of the problems, which must be followed. If you will go to the VWR and PSI List archives on PJ's site, you will find an entire sequence of Posts on Target Contamination, which will also be of interest to you. It was just last Spring, so shouldn't be hard to locate. Bevy J stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Warning/ memory loss?
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13:20:49
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Paul: In about 1975, I believe, there was a huge Educators/Institutions meeting in St. Louis at the Convention Center. One of the speakers, who was 'into' Parapsychology research devoted some time to informing the attendees that excessive use of PSI caused a lowering of several body factors, one of which was a lowering of potassium and one was B- Complex. If it is important, I can contact someone who was at that meeting and get the name of the sponsoring group as well as the date? The information given was not news to us, but it was scientific confirmation of an observed effect. lol we always enjoy it when science confirms something.... lol Bevy J stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Red and Black Cards
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13:20:59
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At 09:07 PM 7/12/98 +0100, you wrote: >I'm _not_ sticking any of you on an even higher pedestal than you already >are, or I wouldn't be able to see you. That't it, Mary--juussst keep feeding his ego. He'll follow you anywhere! ;-) Enjoy, Paul stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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13:21:08
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electrix: I cannot speak for any other trainers, but we do often use double-blind and sometimes triple-blind targets. That's hard to set up very often, but it can be done. The last 'target' on our website was a triple-blind. We got one accurate, direct hit from a new Squad Member in Nevada. No sensory clues, either, naturally. Bevy J stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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13:21:53
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electrix-- At 10:35 PM 7/11/98 -0700, you wrote: >Have you found that having a session in the same room together >contaminates the session. I've never been involved in something of this nature. But since Ingo's approach involves verbalizing everything you get, at the very least it would seem that external disctractions might interfere with the process if more than one person were viewing at the same time in the same room. >Also, does Hal Puthoff holds seminars? Nope. I hire him to give a presentation on the early days of RV to my basic courses, but it's tough enough for him to find the time to even do that. he's spending most of his waking hours (and probably some when he should be sleeping) working on zero-point energy and warp drive stuff. Enjoy! Paul stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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13:22:02
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>I've never been involved in something of this nature. But since Ingo's >approach involves verbalizing everything you get, at the very least it >would seem that external disctractions might interfere with the process if >more than one person were viewing at the same time in the same room. roger... Re: Puthoff >Nope. I hire him to give a presentation on the early days of RV to my >basic courses, but it's tough enough for him to find the time to even do >that. he's spending most of his waking hours (and probably some when he >should be sleeping) working on zero-point energy and warp drive stuff. Thanks for the info. I ... thought so. I have read some of his papers. I think it's awesome. electrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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13:22:10
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Well Bevy, literally one step ahead of me, LOL! I am glad to see that some instructors are doing it. It approximates reality. Although I suppose at first it's okay to start of single blind. But I usually am hard on myself in getting knowledge. Thanks Bevy.... electrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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13:22:30
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> If you will go to the VWR and PSI List archives on PJ's site, you will find an > entire sequence of Posts on Target Contamination, which will also be of > interest to you. > It was just last Spring, so shouldn't be hard to locate. > Bevy J > Will check into it. Thanks. 'lectrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question 2: Physiology
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13:22:39
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> ... after writing down the > target data, I lay down go into deep sleep for a bit, wake up with a much > clearer head (phased back into the physical view), and tons of energy, > strength in my body...... That is works best for me. > ~Terri~ > P.S. go do your Gateway program. Ha,ha,ha....so it is YOU! Guess what?!! Looks like it just might happen! ;-) 'lectrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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13:22:50
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Yaana Allen wrote: > Our instructor gives as a lecture for an hour, then puts the target ID on the board > and leaves for an hour and a half. When he return we review everyone s work, > discuss we we "KNOW" about the target, and after what seems an eternity, get to see > what the target is :D Hmmmm... sounds like a reasonable approach..... 'lectrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel-Monroe
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13:22:57
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Hello Teri, So flying around area 34 now! Well don't keep us in suspense, cutie. What did you see. Was it similar to the Monroe depiction or what? Earthbound Admirer ( for now) Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question 2: Physiology
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13:23:09
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Ha,ha,ha....so it is YOU! Guess what?!! Looks like it just might happen! ;-) 'lectrix >> Hi Electrix...... :-) The reason I am pushing you to Gateway is because you dont realize how much your energy changed after you did the weekend workshop.... ~Terri~ stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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13:23:27
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Gene, You are the most aggravating article, I have ever encountered. You feed these enticing little titbits, and then add just enough to keep me begging for more.... ;-). Can you explain _at least_ the kind of experiences which may be experienced. MaryD. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel-Monroe
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13:23:39
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<< So flying around area 34 now! Well don't keep us in suspense, cutie. What did you see. Was it similar to the Monroe depiction or what? >> Ya do put a big smile on my face Lancelot . . . . I love the energy 'feel' of the 'higher' (?) focus levels... But focus 12 is an absolute awesome state, can be physical or nonphysical... works well with our current main viewpoint... :-) for myself visualization starts here, from 12, I can be anywhere.... or I can just "be." The focus levels are hard for me to explain ... all I can tell you is what sets true for my self..... and for me it is all just more of a knowingness. What do I see in a high energy focus level? ummmm probably a lot of AOL... I dont understand it, so I put something there too understand, communicate with. Someplaces you feel, some places you 'know.' I am not aware of where Mr. Monroe, has described F 34.... Have you read his books... ~T~ stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel-Monroe
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13:23:58
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<< Agreed. Although I've been tsk tsk'd by some of my more new agey friends as they are quite convinced that unless I start protecting myself I'm going to become a Scoobie snack for some evil entity ;-) I, nor anyone else, nor anything, can be the wind beneath your wings... Follow your gut instincts, they are correct.... Everything will be in a perfect time, in a perfect place. I think you will find that all you need is 'you', which is of course the source, the basic, the ultimate ... :-) ~Terri~ Oh..well..their fear. For myself, I prefer looking at the whole experience from a learning/gathering perspective. Each experience being wonderful and as you say magic in and of itself. >> stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Psi and money/personal ethics
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13:24:31
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> >When I made my post I had no idea that I was joining what was going to become > >a full debate on the topic; I was simply offering my own opinion and was > hoping > >to leave it at that. > > Don't panic! ;-) I myself had forgotten that the psi/money discussion had > even begun with you. Don't apologize for starting it. Discussion groups > are for bringing up relevant issues of common interest, and giving everyone > a chance to speak his/her mind (in a civilized manner, of course!). I > don't think any of us thought that you were trying to define anyone's > behavior for them. In any case, the psi vs. money issue is an important > ancillary issue to psi in general, so I'm glad you brought it up. > > Enjoy! > Paul Steve: Big ol' ditto on that, Paul. The only glitch is in the fact that my and Gene's definition of "civilized manner" may vary somewhat from normal people's. I apologize in advance for my future brusque postings. It is my most fervent hope that you gambling afficianados prove me to be totally wrong, establish reliable protocols for games of chance, and share them with me. I want to believe Greg stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/353)
13:24:40
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Hello Yaana, The more the merrier, would seem to be true for targeting, unless you get what Paul calls pychic overlay. Did you have a protocol to avoid that? Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Psi and money
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13:24:54
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> For the time being, I'm agnostic about whether one can make money by > directly using RV or other psi techniques for making money in games of > chance. however, the whole issue of money and psi is a sticky one. There > are those who think that it's okay to make money by charging money for > training or services (I'm obviously squarely in that camp! ;-), there are > those that think that making money with it at all is wrong, and there are > others who only think that making money by using psi in gambling games is > wrong Hi all. I've been lurking lately, but this thread about making money and psi is right up my alley and I must add my $.02 worth. You CAN consistently and reliably make money using psi via ARV. It's a LOT of work, and quite tricky, but can be done. The biggest obstacle for most is the FEAR of making money! Just reading the posts on this subject is evidence that fear of financial success is wide spread. In what way would you think that you don't deserve it? Society has taught us to fear money. "That filthy Lucre!" "Money grubbing", "as unlikely as a rich man going to heaven" etc., etc. Why would using my athletic gifts to make money be any different than using my psi gifts? And are they all that different? How much psi is involved when Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretsky achieve championship status for their respective teams? I am an entrepreneur and started a software company about 15 years ago. I was very successful and sold my company a few years ago to a much larger corporation. I'm now retired and spend my time researching and studying associative remote viewing and the future. I am certain that I was successful in business in part because of my psi abilities. I used my intuition a lot when making decisions and I always seemed to make the right ones. It was only recently that I discovered a possible reason why - something that I did not believe in before - psi. I am wondering how many other successful entrepreneurs have also made their fortunes by using their innate psi abilities? In what way is that different than isolating your psi skills and using only that to succeed at achieving your goals? Relativity plays a big role in determining our perspective on this topic. A couple of hundred years ago it was immoral and against the church to charge interest for lending money. It was also frowned upon to use your god given talents and gifts for anything OTHER than the holiest of purposes - to worship God. That was the consensus relative to that time. Relative to THIS day and age, it's nonsense! I am ultimately altruistic though, but that's my own personal perspective - that shouldn't in and of itself, justify making money from psi. My hope is to eventually be able to bring some substantial proof to who ever wants to listen as to the validity of the phenomenon. To ultimately direct attention to the higher self, the spirit, the creator, God, the whole spiritual side that is born from an initial interest in remote viewing. What better way to attract the worlds attention than with some financial success? If anyone is interesting in more information, please contact me - I'm an open book! No secrets, no charge! gk stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Psi and money
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13:25:04
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> But there is a further variable that is often forgotten--the REASON one > wants to make money in the first place. I suspect that if one has worthy > goals for the money, one may well be successful in many pursuits involving > psi and money. Whew! Paul, you can't imagine what a sigh of relief I just breathed. With no data other than 'gut feeling' to go on, this is the conclusion that I have come to, also. Although I seek to acquire control of positively obscene amounts of money, the lion's share will go to worthy causes that are badly in need of $. Greg stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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13:25:17
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<< Can you explain _at least_ the kind of experiences which may be experienced. MaryD. >> Mary (and anyone else who wants to experieince it)...here are the coordinates for one such site... 00X / 001 / 013 / 007 / 098 Have fun... ---- stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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13:25:30
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<< Paul calls pychic overlay >> Actually anyone who has been in the business for longer than a week calls it Psychic Overlay and it is a real problem when targeting more than one person on the same target (regardless if they are in the same room or not...same universe is sufficient to cause it....) Gene Kincaid.... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/358)
13:25:40
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Bill-- At 09:22 AM 7/13/98 PDT, you wrote: > The more the merrier, would seem to be true for targeting, unless you >get what Paul calls pychic overlay. Did you have a protocol to avoid >that? Actually (a petty point), I wasn't the one that called it "psychic overlay"--I don't even remember who that was. I used the term that had been employed in the post to which I was referring. I probably should have mentioned something at the time. I generally refer to it as 'telepathic overlay," when the source of the overlay comes mentally from tasker, monitor, or co-viewer. Psychic overlay is really too ambiguous a term for general use, though it was certainly understandable enough in context. Enjoy! Paul stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question 2: Physiology
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13:25:56
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Re: [stargate] Question 2: Physiology Hmmmmm....so now you really got me curious...I have a penchant for cryptic messages, they motivate me to find out. I did, however, notice that my allergy has curtail tremendously. But of course, there must be more to the story..... I love/hate you for knowing... ha,ha,ha,.... electrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/360)
13:26:05
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>A friend of mine underlined at that occasion that this is a well-know >experience in group-psychology (for details see Solomon Ash [1951, >1955, 1956]) on influencing and/or conformity effects. To make it >short, if I remember well : when 9 people in a group of 10 persons >answer "yes" to a question (even if this answer is wrong) the last >person to talk may say "yes" too, under group's pressure, in around >33% of the cases (even if this last person thinks the good answer to >the question is "no"). Actually, the way I remember it, it was way closer to 100%.. -Tao_Sk8r stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Sony psi research closed down
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13:26:26
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> Ok, first, lemme say that I appreciate your response.. I just wanted to > throw that out there for people to chew on, with the result of hopefully > getting some interesting responses, and possibly a dialog.. Second, I > have two points of contention with your derision of Courtney Brown.. Take it easy, Tao. Please seperate my derision of Courtney Brown from my attitude towards you. I firmly maintain that Mr. Brown is quite worthy of my derision. After taking a course (I believe from Ed Dames) and doing a few sessions, Mr. Brown was suddenly qualified to re-invent the wheel, give it his own name (SRV), and proclaim himself a guru. Mr. Brown loves to hold court with glassy-eyed UFO fans, who fall on his every word as though it were gospel. He deserves a special place in the 'RV Luminaries Who have Disgraced RV Hall of Fame'. Even though the Telepathic Overlay Effect will explain, in part, Courtney's dismal failures, I feel the massive front-loading he provides may be part of the blame. I could forgive the man if he were just a well-meaning idiot, but I have met him twice, and I can't say this is the case. I cautioned you against following him, strictly for your own benefit. Apologies to all you closed > minded individuals who've already lumped me, at this point, firmly in > thier wing-nut, flake, etc., list. Apology accepted. I should point out that referring to some of seasoned vets on this list as "closed minded individuals", would certainly give credence to your 'wing-nut' theory. > Second, adressing your recommendation about real RV training; I > understand your perspective, and indeed intent to make this sort of > training a part of my agenda, once I have buko bucks to spare for it.. > For now, I'll rely on the free resources, thank you much.. I guess the > other reason for my hesitation is that, though it is quite possible I've > missed it, as far as I know there are no tech transfer protocols > included in the training given by your two recommended instructors.. > > Regards, > Tao_Sk8r I can can completely empathize with the finances thing, Tao, but I think poor RV training may be less beneficial than no training. Every "improvement" on Ingo's protocols (in USG applications) was not. Besides, I don't think it will work unless you buy the Official Courtney Brown Tech Transfer Decoder Ring, first. Greg stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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Paul: But isn't telepathy a two terminal communication? Otherwise that would be (here comes the taboo word) influence, no? It would seem that there should be a transmitter and a receiver. In some recent books and articles I have read, many of the telepathy experiments involved one person intentionally sending the signal and the other being receptive to the signal. For the most part, these experiments concluded that, telepathy was most likely to occur given the receiver was asleep or extremely relaxed. The effect was much more effectiver if the receiver set-out to sleep and just before going into deep sleep sending the signal to the recipient. What is your thought on this? electrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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13:26:44
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Gene: Curious...how would you describe (if even possible) this overlay? Is it kinda synthetic? fuzzy? stale? or is it more like a feeling thing? electrix stargate : Message: [stargate]
Ed Dames
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Well, here is the latest news about Ed Dames, according to "Roads End" on another list. Take it for what it is worth, meaning believe it at your own risk. You got to be careful what comes up on the net. Ed is so sure that this is going to happen, hes already left his comfortable home in Beverly Hills to moved to Polynesia, can you say y2k. There hes involved in PSI-TECHs latest endeavor called Project Starman. Project Starman, you got to love that name, deals with, get this, contacting aliens to help reconstruct the planet Earth after it has been wiped out by the aforementioned Solar Event. He calls it Post-Global Cataclysmic Reconstruction ---- stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question 2: Physiology
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<< Hmmmmm....so now you really got me curious...I have a penchant for cryptic messages, they motivate me to find out. I did, however, notice that my allergy has curtail tremendously. But of course, there must be more to the story..... I love/hate you for knowing... ha,ha,ha,.... electrix >> From one 'empath' to another... . . . . . . . and I could reply, but there was nothing 'cryptic' about my message..... just a simple statement of fact...... (innocence) then again I could draw the curtains here and take this conversation off the list... (mischief) (yes, Mr. Crietzman I see your eyes rollin back in your head) (sit tight I'll be good). ~will o' the wisp~ stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...telepathy
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13:27:36
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Electrix: Hi. Our own field research in learning and then testing telepathy indicates that it can be done whenever...not just when asleep, or sleepy. Yes, it is best (like some other things) done between 2 consenting adults..or teacher and students....but it happens in many ways and at many times, and some of these may involve children, especially if they are yours. There are no data, far as I know, about a continuous or continuing link between those 2 minds post-experiment, but can verify that it can and does happen. Hope this helps. Bevy J stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Ed Dames
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On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:25:12 -0700, bake27 wrote: >He calls it Post-Global Cataclysmic Reconstruction Are you sure that wasn't Post-Global Cataclysmic Regurgitation? Sorry....I'll go back into lurk mode now... Siochain, Vikki stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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> Mary (and anyone else who wants to experieince it)...here are the coordinates > for one such site... > 00X / 001 / 013 / 007 / 098 > > Have fun... Thanks Gene, Will be my next target :) And for the other Explorers of our forum who want to experience some more "free flights", here a couple of more coordinates : Focus 21 (the edge of time-space where it is possible to contact other energy systems) Focus 23 (a level inhabited by those who have recently left physical existence, from all periods of time) or ...KT-95 (an arbitrary label given by Bob Monroe to his original Home outside our solar system). Have a nice free RV ;-) Jean-Luc. And... remember : "We are much more than our physical body. Because we are much more than physical matter, we can perceive that which is greater than the Physical world..." Robert Allen. Monroe. Hope you like it. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Ed Dames
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<< hes already left his comfortable home in Beverly Hills to moved to Polynesia >> Last time I spoke to Joni, Ed was at the waterside, scuba diving in Oahu...she was bound and determined to send me a copy of his tapes for review...I did not review them and they are still in the box...have not had time...anybody wants them they can have them.. Gene.. ---- stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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>But isn't telepathy a two terminal communication? Otherwise that would be (here >comes the taboo word) influence, no? Absolutely! In the case of TOL, you have the source (tasker, monitor, co-viewer--this last, btw, is just a convenient term i made up), and the one experiencing the TOL. But you have to remember that it occurs somewhere at the subconscious level--the "victim" consciously thinks he/she is getting signal line data, and the "sender" isn't intentionally trying to cause the viewer to experience what they do. But for that matter, "RI" would usually qualify as a 2-terminal operation as well. The question arises as to where the dividing line might be between TOL and RI. I suggest it has to do with the awareness level. In TOL, neither party is aware that it is occurring, and what occurs is a transfer of impressions. In RI, at least one party has a certain result in mind--and it may include actual physiological effects. >It would seem that there should be a transmitter and a receiver. In some recent >books and articles I have read, many of the telepathy experiments involved one >person intentionally sending the signal and the other being receptive to the >signal. For the most part, these experiments concluded that, telepathy was most >likely to occur given the receiver was asleep or extremely relaxed. Remember that in these experiments the aim was to consciously "transmit" specific messages/information consciousness-to-consciousness from one person to another in a (relatively) controlled way. In TOL, the conscious intent is *not* to transmit. This transmission is inadvertent (hence called "overlay"), and usually results as a default from one of two scenarios: 1) when the target exists only as a figment in the tasker or monitor's mind; or 2) When two or more viewers home in on the same target, and their thought patterns harmonize enough that one "captures" the other. In neither circumstance is TOL *certain* to occur; but its likelihood increases significantly. Nonetheless, it is still a case of one person's thoughts being picked up by another person or persons, which I consider fundamentally to be telepathy. Thanks for the question! Enjoy, Paul stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Ed Dames
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Re: [stargate] Ed Dames Yes, please! I intend to do a comparative review of methods/protocols and would love to see the tapes. If they have already been claimed I would love a copy at someone's convenience, I would pay costs. Kind regards Angela Thompson Smith The Inner Vision Research Institute Curran2106@... wrote: > > In a message dated 98-07-14 01:54:58 EDT, you write: > > << hes already left his > comfortable > home in Beverly Hills to moved to Polynesia >> > Last time I spoke to Joni, Ed was at the waterside, scuba diving in Oahu...she > was bound and determined to send me a copy of his tapes for review...I did not > review them and they are still in the box...have not had time...anybody wants > them they can have them.. > Gene.. stargate : Message: [stargate]
RV presentations
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[stargate] RV presentations Hi all! Just a quick commercial announcement (yes, I have Steve's permission ;-). For those in the area, I will be doing presentations on remote viewing in Las Vegas next week (text of press release included below), and in Salt Lake City at the Golden Braid Bookstore on August 5th at 7pm. For any interested Mormons on this or other lists to which it may or may not get posted, I'm also doing a presentation in Salt Lake on RV and Mormonism. It happens at the annual Sunstone Symposium, 3:30pm on Saturday, August 1st at SLCC, Redwood Rd. campus (Sunstone's phone is 801-355-5926). Hope to perhaps see some of you there (and I know I'll recognize you from the :-) on your faces!). Enjoy, Paul ========================================================= REMOTE VIEWING: Martial Art for the Mind Southern Nevada native Paul H. Smith, a veteran of the U.S. Armys top secret remote viewing program that trained military spies in psychic intelligence-gathering skills, will give a presentation on remote viewing and the government psychic espionage program on the 24th and 25th of July at the Psychic Eye Bookstores on West Charleston and on Russell Road in Las Vegas. Smith will focus on the once-secret Army program which was declassified by the Central Intelligence Agency in 1995. A retired Army major who grew up in Boulder City, he now trains civilian clients in the theory and practice of remote viewing. He is president and chief instructor of a training and consulting business in Austin, TX, and is one of a only handful of people across the nation doing RV training. The technique allows a person, called a viewer, to mentally perceive objects or events removed from him by time or location. Remote viewing was developed during the 1970s by SRI International, a Menlo Park, California, think tank under contract with the government. The research was sparked by reports from the Soviet Union that Russian spies were being trained in similar psychic techniques. For two decades the Armys remote viewing unit based at Fort Meade, Maryland, was successfully used by the military and the CIA as an intelligence collection tool, but was not openly acknowledged by the Pentagon until 1995. That year, the CIA deactivated the program and began the lengthy process of declassifying thousands of documents relating to it. Declassification paved the way for the government viewers to tell their stories and teach others remote viewing skills. A military intelligence officer, Smith served for seven years in the government program at Fort Meade and was the primary author of its training manual. He is credited with more than 1,000 training and operational remote viewing sessions during his time at Fort Meade, including a session in which he described the May 17, 1987 Iraqi attack on the USS Stark in the Persian Gulf, more than two days before it actually happened. Further information: WWW.rviewer.com TIME AND LOCATION: July 24, 6:30-8:30 pm * Psychic Eye Bookstore (West), 6848 W. Charleston July 25, 2:30-4:30 pm * Psychic Eye Bookstore (East), 3315 Russell Rd. (Admission: $10) stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Ed Dames
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<< Yes, please! I intend to do a comparative review of methods/protocols and would love to see the tapes. If they have already been claimed I would love a copy at someone's convenience, I would pay costs. Kind regards Angela Thompson Smith The Inner Vision Research Institute >> Talk to your Brother in law...he got to me first... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Chance Expectations
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> I know we are moving away from the Red and Black thread but living in Las > Vegas I hear some interesting things about the casinos. It seems that if > someone at a routlette table is winning big, the pit boss will change > dealers, putting in someone who can "throw the numbers". The wife of one > of my students (she was a routlette dealer) became so skilled at throwing > the ball onto the wheel that she could pretty much choose which number > the ball would fall on. Hi Angela, Unfortunately, I can present some first-hand feedback on this... While on a protective service assignment in Vegas, a client tipped me a $100 chip upon retiring for the night. I was itchy to try out a 'system' I had evolved, and saw this opportunity as a guilt-free chance to use it. Parlayed the $100 into $5000 over the course of two dealer changes. A crowd was starting to gather, following my every bet. Along comes Dealer X. Unlike the other dealers, this guy wouldn't joke or converse at all. He seemed to exhibit a great deal of concentration, considering the simple task of dropping a marble on a spinning wheel. I quickly went down to $2000 by the time the shift changed again. Got back up to $3500, before Dealer X returned. Then down to $100 after. I quit with my original chip, but had a very strong gut feeling I had been 'had' by this guy. Your anecdote did nothing to dispel that feeling. Thought you might like some feedback Greg stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Sony psi research closed down
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Re: [stargate] Sony psi research closed down >Take it easy, Tao. Please seperate my derision of Courtney Brown from >my attitude towards you. Actually I do.. Din mean to sound defensive, and actually I really didn't take any of it personally.. >I firmly maintain that Mr. Brown is quite worthy of my derision. >After taking a course (I believe from Ed Dames) and doing a few >sessions, Mr. Brown was suddenly qualified to re-invent the wheel, >give it his own name (SRV), and proclaim himself a guru. I dunno where you garner that impression that he's even called, or even implied himself to be a guru.. Maybe my extensive reading on the subject has somehow managed to overlook that fact.. As for re-inventing the wheel and all that, I gotta admit I have yet to directly compare SRV to CRV, but something tells me I'll not find a great deal of difference, assuming as I have that it's based on the CRV protocols, since that's reportedly what Dames uses in his training.. I think he merely re-named it to avoid the issues surrounding making the CRV manual public, and get the info out for all takers.. >Mr. Brown loves to hold court with glassy-eyed UFO fans, who >fall on his every word as though it were gospel. Ok, if you say so, but again, I see no examples of this.. I agree it is quite likely I've merely missed this, but I don't particularly see that he's set himself up as a guru, though these sorts of things do tend to attract those who would make someone a guru.. >He deserves a special place in the 'RV Luminaries Who have Disgraced >RV Hall of Fame'. Even though the Telepathic Overlay Effect will >explain, in part, Courtney's dismal failures, I feel the massive >front-loading he provides may be part of the blame. Here are two things which I will contend, first that he has any vast record of dismal failures (and I of course STILL don't have that website for your examination, but I promise it shall be soon).. And second, I've not really seen the evidence pointing to front loading on his part of that of his organization.. Even the famous essay by Prudence Calabrese, though it pointed to many other defects at Farsight seems, in my likely somewhat limited memory, not to have pointed to this as an issue.. >I could forgive the man if he were just a well-meaning idiot, but I >have met him twice, and I can't say this is the case. I cautioned you >against following him, strictly for your own benefit. Understood, and knowing what I do about the field, this is advice I will take, at least as far as paying for training.. No, I'll not pay Courtney, but I will pay Mrs. Calabrese, assuming I am unable to afford training with Paul Smith or Lyn B. (I can't spell his last name now for some strange reason).. >Apology accepted. I should point out that referring to some of >seasoned vets on this list as "closed minded individuals", would >certainly give credence to your 'wing-nut' theory. Nono.. That was not the point.. I was speaking ONLY of those who had rushed to that judgement.. >I can can completely empathize with the finances thing, Tao, but I >think poor RV training may be less beneficial than no training. Point taken, and I do agree here.. Just that as the SRV protocols ARE made freely available, as is the original CRV manual, I'll take what I can get from them.. I dunno if I'm actually apply the knowledge gained from them yet, I'm just looking at the fact that they're free, and provide a good basic understanding of how RV works.. >Every "improvement" on Ingo's protocols (in USG applications) was >not. I'm not sure of the meaning of USG applications here, could you please define this? Also, I agree that you're likely correct about improvements, but I still cannot say that any have taken place for sure.. >Besides, I don't think it will work unless you buy the Official >Courtney Brown Tech Transfer Decoder Ring, first. :) Good one.. Sure hope yer wrong here! :) -Tao_Sk8r stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
RV presentations
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<< I'm also doing a presentation in Salt Lake on RV and Mormonism. It happens at the annual Sunstone Symposium, 3:30pm on Saturday, August 1st at SLCC, Redwood Rd. campus (Sunstone's phone is 801-355-5926). >> And Liam and I will be putting together a similar event at the Roisin Dubh Pub beginning at opening time and lasting until one of both of us fall down and grab the grass to keep from falling off the Earth... Sorry I will miss Paul's gathering...really ...I am on the road doing government things but ISTRONGLY encourage anyone in the great out West to attend... stargate : Message: [stargate]
Joe McMoneagle
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[stargate] Joe McMoneagle Just to let you all know, yesterday Joe McMoneagle underwent an extensive five hour open-heart operation to repair three valves. He is currently recuperating in intensive care, but is expected to move out of the ICU tomorrow. he may be able to return home within a week, thanks either to the miracle of medical science, or the stinginess of his health provider--or both! I thought you all would want to know. If you would, please, remember Joe in your prayers and thoughts, and wish that he have a speedy and thorough recovery. Enjoy, Paul stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Joe McMoneagle
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>...If you would, please, remember Joe >in your prayers and thoughts, and wish that he have a speedy and >thorough recovery. Yes, Paul I certainly will pray for the best possible outcome. Would you mind if I passed this information on to group of people that work towards helping people through prayer/intent? Siochain, Vikki stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Psi and money
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Re: [stargate] Psi and money Hi All; Liam here. If anyone remembers my earlier post when I talked about easy money RV gift, etc, let me clarify. First of all Paul is 100 percent correct, as usual when he thinks things through. First there is nothing immoral about RVing for money. I have done it myself (I know Paul this is a reversal of my position of 15 years ago). RVing, monitoring, analyzing, and writing up a correct, comprehensible, and understandable report is HARD WORK, and should be rewarded. Teaching RV is hard work I think it is proper for Paul and Lyn to be compensated for their efforts. I do not think it is immoral to use RV to win a fortune at Vegas or in the Lottery. I do think it is stupid and unrealistic. But if you want to try your luck, please be my guest. What RV does do, for many people, is make you more intuitive (more in touch with your subconscious ?). Playing your hunches can produce results higher than average. This is not RV but, it probably falls under the general category of psi.It is not a sure winner, but, IMO, it does cut down the odds significantly. It is the same principle as pulling into the parking lot and "knowing" that there is a parking place in Lane 7, or taking a test and having a "real strong feeling" that (d ) is the correct answer. So if you want to use RV to win the sweepstakes and never work another day in your life, by all means it is your bloody money so bloody well do what you please. If you want to put down a few quid for me I would not be insulted. Did you hear about the RVer who went to Las Vegas in a $20,000 car and came home in a $400,000 greyhound bus. Good luck and bet number 37 slainte may the force be with you. stargate : Message: [stargate]
Star Gate Website Updated
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Hi All, This is just a quick post to let you all know that the Star Gate Website has been updated. To be honest, I feel just a little strange making this announcement. Originally, the Star Gate list was set up for the occassional announcements, plus news of changes to the Star Gate Website, and was only meant to have traffic of about 3 posts a day. I'd say it's grown just a little beyond that - LOL! ;-) Anyway, you're welcome to check out the changes. There's still a few sections to go "live", but long-time visitors will probably want to check out what's changed, and first-time visitors will want to know what the site's about. The address you'll need is: http://www.progressiveweb.net/stargate/ Comments are welcome on the online discussion BBSs (rather than here - let's keep Star Gate list discussion on rv/psi if we can), at the two addresses: http://www.progressiveweb.net/local-cgi-bin/config.pl (General RV/PSI BBS) http://www.progressiveweb.net/local-cgi-bin/openchat.pl (Open Chat BBS) Enjoy! Best regards, Steve. stargate : Message: [stargate]
"China's Super Psychics" (One More Time)
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Thought I'd try this one again... Has --anyone-- read this yet? If you have not, I strongly urge you to. My inquiries to knowledgeable sources as to the legitimacy of what at first seemed to be wild and far-fetched claims, produced sobering replies. There are PLENTY of interesting pages in this book, not the least of which details the discovery that Shanghai's children tested 60% positive for psi abilities (this was in the early eighties). The Chinese government promptly set about developing this in not only Shanghai's population, but throughout China. The book mentions a trip there by several American observers, including Hal Puthoff and Marcello Truzzi, both of whom wrote of what they learned (Truzzi in Omni, and Puthoff in a paper for the Institute of Noetic Sciences). One chapter describes the first psychic war -- which reportedly took place between Japan and China. Read this book and you will quite likely be very suprised. Here's a pointer to a review by Ingo Swann: http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/9-ChinaPsychics.html. Here's the page on the book at Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1569247153/002-0886107-9768611 Here's Barnes and Noble's: http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=5SUO12WESG&mscs sid=XEV9SDJ53KSH2HLT00LHRNKKFJF6XQ1W&isbn=1569247153 -- TB stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Joe McMoneagle
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Re: [stargate] Joe McMoneagle That would be a great idea! Paul stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Joe McMoneagle
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Re: [stargate] Joe McMoneagle That's a roger.... My positive flows and thoughts are with him! electrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...telepathy
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Thank you Bevy, you have been very helpful. Would you happen to know where I could obtain some research paper on this subject? God Bless electrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Question...
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> Absolutely! In the case of TOL, you have the source (tasker, monitor, > co-viewer--this last, btw, is just a convenient term i made up), and the > one experiencing the TOL. But you have to remember that it occurs > somewhere at the subconscious level--the "victim" consciously thinks he/she > is getting signal line data, and the "sender" isn't intentionally trying to > cause the viewer to experience what they do. But for that matter, "RI" > would usually qualify as a 2-terminal operation as well. The question > arises as to where the dividing line might be between TOL and RI. I > suggest it has to do with the awareness level. In TOL, neither party is > aware that it is occurring, and what occurs is a transfer of impressions. > In RI, at least one party has a certain result in mind--and it may include > actual physiological effects. I see...your suggestion opens up quite a bit of implications. I see two possibilities now. First one is that the state of the sub-conscious would have to be necessarily *global* as compare to an individuation --- part and sole parcel of the individual. Or, second, that the "impressions" travels through some medium to reach the other person. Also, in your scenario the condition of receptivity, is that it is always open. However, I have found that in a situation of extreme necessity or intense goal oriented activity the _mind_ is openly receptive. In a condition of danger or fear, there is a shutdown of receptivity. In a casual scenario, I am unsure of the receptivity. I am not sure if it is due more to quick analysis and estimation of personal habit pattern or quick telepathic "impression" transfer. I am presently biased towards instinct (reaction) in the former, and anything that I perceive as an aware *concrete image,* as the latter --- true telepathy. Awareness, though, is key. And to be aware would indicate minute study of the situation when it presents itself so as to notice differences. As far as RI....well, we won't touch this area ;-). > Remember that in these experiments the aim was to consciously "transmit" > specific messages/information consciousness-to-consciousness from one > person to another in a (relatively) controlled way. In TOL, the conscious > intent is *not* to transmit. This transmission is inadvertent (hence > called "overlay"), and usually results as a default from one of two > scenarios: 1) when the target exists only as a figment in the tasker or > monitor's mind; or 2) When two or more viewers home in on the same target, > and their thought patterns harmonize enough that one "captures" the other. > In neither circumstance is TOL *certain* to occur; but its likelihood > increases significantly. Nonetheless, it is still a case of one person's > thoughts being picked up by another person or persons, which I consider > fundamentally to be telepathy. > In any event, I get that the principle of Telepathic Overlay differs from the conscious and intentional transfer of telepathic images. And that Telepathic Overlay receptivity is necessarily always open. Thanks for the feedback electrix stargate : Message: [stargate]
Joe McMoneagle
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[stargate] Joe McMoneagle My prayers are with Joe indeed! Best wishes, Laura stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Ed Dames
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Re: [stargate] Ed Dames Gene: I'd like a copy of those sometime. Bevy Jaegers POB 29396 St. Louis, Mo. 63126 He has full page adv. in CA papers now!! That scuba stuff must be lucrative! BJ stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Joe McMoneagle
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Re: [stargate] Joe McMoneagle Paul; Thanks so much for letting us all know about Joe McMoneagle. I am sure that plenty of us will be sending good 'stuff' his way. I'd wondered why he had not been posting lately, nor an answer to one of my notes to him. :) Bevy J stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Ed Dames
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Re: [stargate] Ed Dames Promised to Paul...sorry... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Joe McMoneagle
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Hi Paul; I am so sorry to hear about Joe. He is not only a tremendous asset to the RV community, he is also a wonderful human being. Of course Sandy's and my prayers are with him. I have a candle lit for him. Thank you so much for informing everyone. Best Wishes Liam stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Ed Dames
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Re: [stargate] Ed Dames Mea Culpa. I apologise to Gene for any inconvenience caused by my recent response to his kind offer. It was written without thinking and was not intended to be offensive to anybody or any group. As penance I will buy a copy of Ed Dames videotapes for my own use. Humbly Angela Thompson Smith stargate : Message: [stargate]
AOL/dreams
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Hi everybody, I was wondering if dreams are primarily "AOL". Thanks. Jane ---- stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Real World
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Hi Gene and all; Liam here. Sorry it took so long to get back on this one, but I have been unable to buy any B vitamins because of a sudden rush on them and I simply forgot. ><< I did not know I had become so > cynical. > >> >Liam...It comes with old age...your cynicism is a forerunner to being accused >of arrogance and combattiveness...you know...acting like a stupid >Irishman...heck it almost got me tossed off Steve's net so now I have become a >kinder and sweeter Gene... snip I cannot imagine a kinder and sweeter Gene. I am not sure the world is ready for it. snip so be very careful about your cynicism...keep it in >check since there are those on this system..great academics and sholars who >see not "giggle" factors in anything and lead very serious and refined >lifestyles which have long ago failed to see humor in the most unlikely places >and see only the seriousness of all they do...I have learned to survive with >them and can now use such terms as "Peer Review", quantum mechanics, >replication of details, statistical analysis without so much as one guffaw...I >know have my forehead permanently squinched up into a frown as I contemplate >the importance of the difference between 50/50 chance and 58.3 % results and >the impact this 8.3% could have on the world at large.... >PS...Nice to see another Mick on the net... >Gene.. Gene, your kind warning came to late, alas. Yesterday, I was a happy go lucky rogue, not taking life seriously. Insisting that all you needed to know about RV is that it is magic. Bringing joy where ever I went by singing beautiful ballads in my wonderful Irish tenor. Then, when I awoke today I found myself pondering Is the origin of time irreversibility local or cosmological? Is it in the laws or in boundary conditions? All I can say Gene is, that if you do not understand the awesome significance of that missing 8.5 % then you are obviously not taking a Gestalt, holistic approach to the application of proper protocols. If you do this you will vastly underestimate the statistical significance of deviations greater than chance in which case you will recalibrate your Electro magnetic flimm-fram. And everyone thought I was just another pretty face. slainte May the force be with you Liam stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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Gene, Have worked site and have a summary. Do you have feedback? Would you like summary first? Thank you for target and hopefully feedback. David.................... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Real World
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<< If you do this you will vastly underestimate the statistical significance of deviations greater than chance in which case you will recalibrate your Electro magnetic flimm-fram. And everyone thought I was just another pretty face. >> Oh sure - you say that now that you are on the wagon...but let me get you for one night in Michael Flynns and we will really solve the mysteries of the world...as for me, I will continue to contemplate the age old question of which came first the chicken or the armadillo.... Gene.. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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<< > Gene, Have worked site and have a summary. Do you have feedback? Would you like summary first? >> uhhhhh....let me see....do I tell you what the target is first and then have you tell me what the target is or do I have you describe it first then I figure out which planet you think your on.....this will take some thought now...let me think....BE SERIOUS ! ! ! ! ! stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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>uhhhhh....let me see....do I tell you what the target is first and then have >you tell me what the target is or do I have you describe it first then I >figure out which planet you think your on.....this will take some thought >now...let me think....BE SERIOUS ! ! ! ! ! >Gene. Yep, you're right. I asked the question wrong. I thought it to be quite generous of you to offer a dimensional target to the group. I also should have responded to your email address instead. Feedback COULD be assumed in the offer, but to have you take the time to read my summary and perhaps critique it a little, would seem to me to be presumptious on my part. I ADDED the "would you like me to send summary first" part without considering total context. I'll send summary direct to you. I appreciate the practice. Thx, David Hathcock............. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
"China's Super Psychics" (One More Time)
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>If you have not, I strongly urge you to. My inquiries to knowledgeable >sources as to the legitimacy of what at first seemed to be wild and far-fetched >claims, produced sobering replies. > Thank you for bringing this to attention. Bought and read book. I feel it's an interesting book. It includes commentary about the SCICOP/Randi visit as well as Truzzi and Puthoff. Much of the content is believable to me now that I have personally experienced PSI at work thru RV and more open minded. Especially the 'reading with the ear or nose. However, a lot of the stuff about walking through walls, pills from a bottle, etc were presented almost as heresay and certainly wouldn't comply with US Parapsychology lab controlled experiements. Paul Dong has done a lot of good documentation work and believes in Chi gong values to enhance PSI function. I was not convinced enough of its value to start practicing the technique to enhance RV myself, though. David Hathcock......... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
dimensional travel
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<< Feedback COULD be assumed in the offer, but to have you take the time to read my summary and perhaps critique it a little, would seem to me to be presumptious on my part. I ADDED the "would you like me to send summary first" part without considering total context. >> Not presumptious...part of the deal...when I give a target..it is real and I have feedback available... stargate : Message: [stargate]
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Two people have already taken me up on the "dimensional" target...if any of you are still figuring on doing it...don'g read any further...but by the same token..don't send me your results since there is no way I would know if you are overlaying the results here in this feedback report or whether you are actually sending in nice clean information...I am now going to scroll down a bit and provide the feedback my students usually get from me during training and practice sessions...you will notice, those who choose to read on ...that I am my same sweet even dispositioned self when I am acting as monitor...so here goes...follow your conscience.... Kindest Regards...Gene... ============================================================= Gene, Summary as promised. Session Summary: The target is a location. The beginning ideogram produced motion (2 types), structure, airy height, and life forms. GG (Genghis Gene): What type of ideogram do you produce that indicates life forms? Ifentification of life forms usually occurs later... The location has very massive, dense, and tall stone walls. The walls are medium grey with a rough/coarse texture, but with rounded edges. There is an inside feeling and the lighting is dark in places with generally starved lighting which comes from above. GG: Pretty quick jump from Phase 1 ideograms to this discussion. Nice technique if it works consistently. However, this is an accurate description of the main structure at this site. The location size feels very intimidating and gave AOL's of 'being at the bottom of a huge vertical mine shaft' or a 'volcano tube'. GG: Things that are "intimidating" are not actually AOL...these are called aethetic impacts (AI)..if they are a real wowser maybe an Emotional Impact..for the reasl wowsers ..you need to call out a break...and say why...anyhow...mine shaft or volcano tubes are understandable impressions at this site... There was a blocking and walling with massive walls with a 'Not Allowed' feeling. GG: I am concerned about the labelling you continue to use.."blocking" etc....be very careful..I do not allow it...describe the physical attributes without the lableling...However, this is an understandable concept at this site but you still have properly described it..."Not allowed" is not the actual concept... The emotions of the multiple people/life forms were carefree, unconcerned, pleasant, innocent, and with menial and redundant purpose. These emotions were very faint and seemed reclusive at first. GG: OK?...This does not tell me much about the people and could be laid to practically any site outside of big cities...I do not really care about the people anyhow therefore do not waste you time with them... There was a big, bold, and fast motion which seemed apart in time and some space from the motions of the lifeforms which were slow and plodding. The target seemed intent on being just a barren interior stone space with no life at first. It took movements to get the walling effect to go away. GG: Very confusing isn't it. I do not have any idea what you are trying to tell me about this place but you are sensing a very strong mystical sense here I believe... The Taskers Intent produced - awaken, witness, perceive, educate, learn, know, arouse, enable, and perform. (Seems too logical, suspect AOL) There was an S7 of "Manganese" or "Mongoose" GG: End of the session and you are skipping around and grasping for data...Not bad for a first session...but you are still looking through the fog and not grabbing the key elements of this site...additional viewings would undoubtedly clarify many of the key issues...you are welcome to continue to view the target... If you do....use the following coordinate...00X / 002 / 007 / 017 / 098... If you intend to view it again...do not go any furtheron this page since I will be doing a feedback with another viewer and at the end I will identify the target...therefore, if you do visit the site again..do not send the results to me...simply go to this site... Regards...Gene... End Summary: ============================================================= this morn I did that target you put out on the net... I hope it is ok that I did this... I just went and had a good time... 00X/001/013/007/098 fresh bright green, spiked, moist, rocky, mound, round, rise, large, up, roll. Structure, massive, flat, hard (feels like, stones piled) thick, squared, damp, ancient, different levels or ups and downs ummm some parts of structure seem to be peaks or points. GG: Great stuff. Good descriptives and no AOL...data is very indicative of what you would encounter at the key structure at this site. Main entrance open large archway. Structure seems part of old (energies) and part newer construction. The one main energy point, I sense this is an alter type thing, or area, Christian (corrupted) now, but not originally. GG: Naughty Naughty...use of the term "Christian" is pure AOL. You know better...I appreciated the other comments...the term archway could have taken a little more explanation but it is accurate...I also was impressed and dismayed (at the same time) with the term "altar"..NOW WHAT DOES THAT MEAN!?!?!...it is pure labeling...(even though it is astonishingly accurate..but considered yourself chastized..Finally, you have hit on the key element of the "dimensional" aspect of the target...the idea of very "old" energies...and indeed they are very old... Brownish, cream, gray, charcoal colors from the main structure I seem to get bounced to an area removed from the structure, flat more open space.. I sense this place is maybe a burial ground, there is an entity here. GG: You are actually being "bounced" a relatively short distance...less than a couple hundred yards...and is is removed and it is connected in some way...a very intriguing way... There seems to be some connection something placed in the ground here, ummmmm the thing that is in the ground here has been removed from the main structure, or it comes from here and was placed in the main structure, i think in the alter area. The 'thing' contains massive energy or magick. Didi the original inhabitants come from the sea? GG: A continuation of the idea of a mysterious connection between the main site and this site. Very good. Magic is the basis of the energy here...not atomic, or cosmic...simple pure magic...Very good...this is a conceptnot easily recognizable...Did they come from the sea? Interesting question...the answer is yes but I would be interested to know where that insight came from ...." The main structure feels originally magic, but it has been altered... I sense now that ummm, well before the (ancient) inhabitants were free, and something changed and they were made to bow or a new viewpoint came and took control of them. They becamed supressed or controled. oppressed. GG: The main structure was altered primarily because iof the effect the "magic" had upon it...the old magic was replaced by a new magic...a more realistic and definable magic but a magic none the less and the new magic did win the people over...but the old magic did not simply vanish..and from that old magic, the way to another place another "dimension" still exists... I have to add the words 'abbey' ? Correct spelling...? this word it is has something to do with english (dog) Christians this goes with the target... also a king, or a great king was there when times were good.. early on... a great blustery dark haired man (good guy) perhaps dark bearded also... GG: You have gotten a firm grasp on the target and now you are conducting a very indepth analysis of the various components and aspects of the target. Sign of a well trained and well disciplined viewer....your instructor must have been a genius...Watch the labelling however .."King"..what does that mean..describe that concept and see it he remains "King"...also the "English (dog) Christians....I may agree with the canine descriptive of my Saxon neighbors...however, far too much labelling going on here...be careful of entering an AOL drive...you were doing so good.... I will go back to see the hooded-robed entity tonight... He is at the burial- ritual grounds... I need no target. he... this being here, made the "eye contact" with me that beings make to me when they are ready to go.. ... he has been waiting for some reason... GG: Feel absolutely free to go back at your liesure. It is a wondrous place and I think you will be amazed at the energies and mysteries you will find here... ~T~ ============================================================= In the Republic of Ireland is a great Cathedral in a place called Cashel...the hugh solid rock and glassed steeples and strong thick stone walls have given it its traditional name...The Rock of Cashel. A tale not known by many however, gives it its mystery. At this site, visited by St. Patrick himself, was a former Druid temple...not as ornate and not as large but it was a central meeting place for these mysterious sorcerors and magicians. With the conquest of the Druidic tribes by the forces of St. Patrick, it was traditional to build the new religious temples of Christianity on the site of the old Druid monuments and sites. At Cashel, the original site was selected for just that reason. However, the string of strange occurences, injuries and worker deaths finally convinced even the hardest propoenent of Catholicism in Ireland that the site of the building of the new cathedral had to be changed...It was moved to a site a couple of hundred yards away...and the strange and mysterious ocurrences stopped, as did the inordinate numbers of injuries and deaths...the site of the old Druid temple and its bubbling springs is still held in deep respect and awe by the local inhabitants... Slainte...

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