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pjrv : Messages : 1753-1759 of 4038
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#1753

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 6:21 am Subject: Time/was symbology ozblueriver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > PJ wrote: > I used to be able (from around age > 14 to 29) to drop into any depth of > sleep I preset (meaning, gauged by > how much/little I would be disturbed > by environ - from 'sleep through bulldozer > next door' to 'wake if distant whisper > heard'), for any amount of time and wake > up to the minute that I set for myself. When I got my first job my mother refused to buy me an alarm clock saying I should learn to wake up at the right time. I thought she was being very unfair but I discovered she was right in that we can wake up right to the exact minute if we put our minds to it. I find this fascinating. I suppose it's no different to getting information using RV but because time is just a concept and differs depending on where you are on the planet is amazes me that we can know the time at all times. I quite often practice Rving the time before I look at my watch during the day. I'm usually within a few minutes but if I wake up during the night I almost always know exactly what the time is before I check the clock. Occasionally I'll have a dream that includes the time and on waking find that the clock reads the same time. Cheers to all Liz Reply | Forward

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From: "baillie lois " Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 9:38 am Subject: Re: Time/was symbology baillielois Online Now Send IM Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > I quite often practice Rving the time > before I look at my watch during the > day. I'm usually within a few minutes > but if I wake up during the night I > almost always know exactly what the > time is before I check the clock. Hi Liz... after taking a course about ten years ago called Pursuit of Excellence, where we weren't allowed to wear watches, I discovered I liked the freedom of that and have never worn one since. And I alwyas know almost to the minute what time it is. I've been late only a couple of times in ten years and that was because my day got backed up from the start... so it is totally possible to "know" time. I never thought of it as RVing though... ;-D Lois ------------------------- Moderator's note: It's not RV, but many of us tend to use RV as slang for anything-psi sometimes. I actually consider the 'time' issue to be a simple subconscious (or at least, normally-not-conscious) thing, not a psi thing, BUT, regular practice at allowing one's subconscious to provide information can be good for one's RV. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 2:15 pm Subject: Re: Time/was symbology k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 I discovered the same thing for myself in college. I found that I was waking up seconds before the alarm on a regular basis. Since I set my alarm to diff times each day, it was not a case of habit. After a while, I found that I could simply just tell myself before bed when I wanted to wake up and it worked. However, if I forgot to tell myself something, then it wouldn't work. My brain would not bother to work that part of the info out for me and wake me anyway, although I have to wonder if maybe it would have if I had told it to. But it just never occured to me until now! However, I did notice that if I was really tired or sleep deprived, then there was a chance that it wouldn't work. I think maybe my brain would just kind of overrule the request in favor of more pressing needs. And so in those cases, I would still use my alarm. But nowadays, it's been a few years since I have used an alarm. Maybe I might still use it as a backup if something was really impt. -E pjrv : Messages : 1770-1772 of 4038
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From: "David Humphries" Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:32 pm Subject: Re: Time/was symbology a_healey56 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hey Liz and all, A few years ago I knew a couple who didn't own an alarm clock because they could wake up at any time they wished to. I suggested that they should at least have one for very important events, but they both insisted that they didn't need one...if they needed to get up at 3:30AM, they would both wake at 3:30AM. When I first read about lucid dreams, I said to myself that I was going to have one that night, and sure enough I did, and I've been able to have them almost any time I decide I want to ever since. It made me think to try not using an alarm clock, and sure enough, if I tell myself that I need to be up by certain time, I will always wake up - and be alert too - about 5-7 minutes before the pre-determined time. (Maybe I should give "flying" a try:-) Dave Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 3:49 pm Subject: Re: Time/was symbology k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 You can take it one step further. Tell yourself to wake up whenever there is an impt event that needs your attention, ie sick child, burgler, water pipe broke, etc. Also tell yourself you will realize that the wake up was for an impt reason so that you'll know to get up and investigate. If you leave your radar on while you're asleep, it can be very convenient at times! -E pjrv : Messages : 1775-1831 of 4038
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From: "Vania" Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 7:58 pm Subject: Re: Re: Time/was symbology vania737 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Eve, I discovered I could wake up at the time I wanted to, because I hated waking up with the alarm, it would always wake me with a start. At first I though it had something to do with habit like a biological clock. But then I experimented with guessing the time when I wake up during the night, and I always got it right. Often when I wake up and before I open my eyes I see a picture of my clock with the arrows at the appropriate time. It reminded me a lot of seeing through my eyelids, which has happened to me just before I go OOB, or when I manage to just partially separate from my body. Vania Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 10:15 pm Subject: Re: Time/was symbology k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Cool! I usually just wake up for some reason and see that it happens to corrrespond to the time I wanted to wake up. -E > Vania wrote > Often when I wake up and before I > open my eyes I see a > picture of my clock with the arrows > at the appropriate time. It reminded me > a lot of seeing through my eyelids, > which has happened to me just before I > go OOB, or when I manage to just > partially separate from my body. Reply | Forward

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 5:57 am Subject: Re: Re: Time/was symbology maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aloha Eve, As a single mom...I had to get real good at leaving the radar on...In fact it came with the babies...however... sleep deprovation can set in... by not going into REM... Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna > You can take it one step further. Tell yourself to > wake up whenever there is an impt event that needs > your attention, ie sick child, burgler, water pipe > broke, etc. Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 8:25 pm Subject: Re: Time/was symbology k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 If you are tired, then it's too much radar! Believe me, you can sleep deep and sound and still wake up if you set your psychic radar. One time I was sleeping and in my dream someone pointed right at me and yelled, 'WAKE UPPPPP!!!!!' Well I did and with quite a start. I looked out the window and the drug runners were parking at the end of our property again. They were the reason that I had tried the psychic alarm clock in the first place. It infuriated me that they kept parking at the end of our property to pick up and deliver their drugs. This time, they hadn't quite turned off the headlights yet when I looked out so I could still see them. I called the cops and told them there was a tresspasser and they sent 3 cars right away (which is a miracle in itself). Since then the drug running house down the street has been vacated and sold so now I don't have the radar going off much anymore. But you are right, if you try to leave a part of the waking consciousness on, then you will get sleepy. Instead just tell yourself you will sleep well but suddenly wake up if there is a problem that needs your attention. In my case, I set the parameters as mostly to be my property or anything near it that was important. Waking up is only useful if there is something you can actually do about the problem. -E > --- In pjrv...oups.com, Weatherly-Hawaii...ote: > however... sleep deprovation can set in... > by not going into REM... ------------------------------ Moderator's note: There is some speculation that natural lucid dreaming can partly be spawned by people who can't 'turn off the radar', and so have too much 'conscious' activity going on even while they sleep. I believe that was probably my case for the first 29 years of life. Allegedly it's a lot healthier to truly sleep deeply. --PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 3:05 pm Subject: Re: Time/was symbology k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Allegedly it's a lot healthier to truly sleep deeply. That's why I say only program yourself to become lucid if there is a reason for needing it which is usually only once in a blue moon. Otherwise, yeah you may get sleepy. ALthough it seems there is a way to do it without getting sleepy. THere are nights when I feel like I can remember everything I thought from the whole night. You think you aren't thinking that much while asleep but it's amazing how much is really going on! On these nights, I don't feel sleep deprived by morning. It's hard to explain, the the consciousness is slightly diff then the usual lucid dream thing. It's like being a step above that or something. Still, I do agree that a lot of the time, lots of bizarre activity while asleep does tend to lead to tiredness. But what the heck, I think it's worth it! ;-) -E Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Mon Dec 23, 2002 1:05 am Subject: Re: Re: Time/was symbology docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Eva, I agree...but have come to consider that even if we remember every dream of the night.. there is still other "astral-wavelenghts" where we may be out doing things or getting information..that occurs simultaneously with normal dreams. Best Regards, Bill ------------------------ Moderator's note: If history is written by the victors... maybe we have every experience simultaneously and our personal identity/history is merely a matter of which things we choose to remember and in which order. PJ

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