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pjrv : Messages : 3299-3299 of 4038
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#3299

From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Sun Jun 22, 2003 5:53 pm Subject: Fw: Re: Re: Thoughts about RI maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aloha PJ, We called this 'stage presence' in the theater...(but we were told to make sure that we ate a big meal of balanced nuitrician ...the night before...'Sex if ya have em'... but get to 'sleep' early...haha... Well we ate pretty good...but the sleeping early... Yeah...About 3-5 A.M...hahah... but horney and hungry ...I say ...yesss...We also qualified...hahah This talent gets even better...as it metamorpheisis...into later stages and abilities (in 0ther areas of life...as you well know...probably better than I)...Especially with those one finds attractive...but there are times... IT... is on ...and I am not even aware of it... I rarely do it (turn it on) on purpose anymore...but it does come in handy...I just sort of made it part of my personality... if I am around people it is always somewhat on...except when I want to remain a passerby...and walk very fast... there are times...when I am not even expecting any attention...No make up...t-shirt/levi's...slippers and hair in braid...and someone is in my face... Can't figure it out... Scares me (makes me nervous) when they are young males though (which is the norm)...and seemingly attracted to me... I really can't figure that attraction out...What would a person... in their twenties see in a 55 year old woman?...haha...Maybe they think I am safe as well...hahah...But they are not! People from all over the world...have always felt 'safe' coming up to me though...on the street and asking for help of some sort or other (direction/match/etc)....They are right...I am relatively harmless...but how do they know that?...Weird though... One of my self defense (shadowselves)...practices...when I am in an area alone and begin to feel paranoid...primarily in the dark...I immediately adopt a pissed/ aggressive/macho style bodybuilder walk...and cuss... as I stomp along...hahah... and cast out vibes of rage...Good thing I have a bit of taslent in that area...hahah...SDaved me a few times...hahah No one wants to mess with a pissed-off crazy lady...hahah...(I learned that from a local acquaintance many years ago)...No matter how short!...hahah... This ability to gently effect another...allowed me access to many places/groups/ cultural circles... that I otherwise would not have been accepted into...For I just had no fear...Of course there are times when it can work the opposite...and I have either been real lucky or have effectively blocked the overly negative...... That is another giving off...I heard a young female researcher...in an African country say...that she has an attitude of "I am harmless and of good will"...and people just seem to accept her that way...I have heard of a few people that say they did this ... but it did not work for them ...for various and sundry reasons...but it works for me Maybe all this aura power...is just sort of a super-emotion function......or simply another communication skill?...The energy must be Chi... ps...I also intuit that we are all linked in some sort of energy complex...and I feel this is all just taping into that...and manafesting what is already there/tucked away... We all have access to greater power than we know...exchange is always possible/ probable...Most people usually just don't even talk about it...I think I was born with it... Animals and especially babies/small children/teens...I have this telepathic communication with the first two...They trust me to...The older ones tell me how different I am from their parents...that never listen...or treat them like a person... I talk to babies as I would to anyone else...They seem to appreciate that... I feel very affection/communication with old trees as well... I adopted the African custom of holding the newborn child... up to the cosmos ...and offering them 'for the good'......and introduced them as newborns to the underside of very large trees...Sort of a personal ritual...and began to explain to them how we owe our lives to those very trees...all of them... It is a lot easier to do all this positive effecting...when it is someone elses kids...(teens)...My youngest son would never believe how many times I have heard this from his peer group...He thinks I am a dork...My older one thinks I am cool though!...haha Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -- Krishnamurti pjrv : Messages : 3235-3475 of 4038
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#3235

From: "Glyn" Date: Sun Jun 15, 2003 12:56 pm Subject: Thoughts about RI gebega Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi all, I posted this over on Stargate, but RI is not really on topic there ..so I thought I might continue here if you haven't got any objections PJ? ................... If I used an ARV method to look forward in time (or to get at my future memory...whoops ignore that :-)), to see what the result of a lottery is, and I am successful, is it (just) because I am good at RV...or is it because I unwittingly influenced the events leading to the outcome leading to the feedback that I would eventually see.. that I saw in my session? It's obvious most will say......but is it? ............... That's a bit convoluted I know, but has anyone got any comments about it.....(apart from that it's a pretty daft idea)? It's not necessarily what I believe...just airing some thoughts. Regards, Glyn ---------------------------- Moderator's note: Object? Not me. You musta missed my If I Were An Evil Overlord post. LOL. PJ Reply | Forward

#3239

From: "Scott Ellis" Date: Tue Jun 17, 2003 7:59 pm Subject: Re: Thoughts about RI scottrver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Glyn, I think that RIing lottery balls is not very likely. Most, if not all of the micro-PK experiments on non-biological systems have been explained by DAT (decision augmentation theory). For example, it wasn't PK that caused the random number generator to output more 1's than 0's it was that the person used precognition and waited to push the button at an opportune time when more 1's happened to come up in the random sequence. Hence, despite many experiments on electrical, mechanical, and radiological systems, there is very little evidence to support PK on non-biological systems. Scott Reply | Forward

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From: "Jason S. Shapiro" Date: Wed Jun 18, 2003 4:37 pm Subject: RE: Re: Thoughts about RI fetik3 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Scott Ellis wrote: > I think that RIing lottery balls is not very likely. Most, if not all > of the micro-PK experiments on non-biological systems have been > explained by DAT (decision augmentation theory). I find this really interesting. How, exactly, was PK disproved by DAT? Was it simply because it was another plausible theory (thus giving reasonable doubt about PK), or was precog activity definitively proven in these experiments? -Jason Reply | Forward

#3257

From: "Scott Ellis" Date: Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:25 pm Subject: Re: Thoughts about RI scottrver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Let me preface this by saying I'm not an expert on the history, analysis, or ramifications of DAT and my comments are not above being mistaken. Given that: Some papers on DAT are available at www.jsasoc.com/docs. PK hasn't been disproven by DAT, and I don't believe PK can be definitively ruled out as the cause of positive results in RNG type experiments. DAT is characterized by the system overall displaying random, undisturbed characteristics, with convenient sampling. This is opposed to statistical PK in which the system overall is displaying disturbed characteristics as a result of the PK attempts. I don't recall the basis of the DAT analysis on the RNG experiments, though I believe it's in one of the papers on the website. Possibly it was that the RNGs displayed a cumulative outcome that was within chance. I do recall that it was believed by Dean Radin and others that they would be able to build a PK switch based on the RNG experiments. DAT predicted (maybe at a later time) they wouldn't. I have yet to see the PK switch. I think there is much more compelling data regarding PK of biological systems though I'm even less of an expert on that. I seem to recall reading about bacteria cultures surviving in the presence of antibiotics. Anecdotally, I became formally interested in psi after reading about the PEAR RNG results and deciding to replicate the experiments for the benefit of my own skeptical beliefs. I think I felt the need to try to disprove some personal experiences that were reasonably incontrovertible proof of psi. In retrospect I wish I had approached it with the idea of publishing the results. In my own RNG testing I accumulated significant results (p < 0.0001) when I was initiating the runs with a button press. When I changed the protocol and scheduled the trials to all begin at a specific time (e.g. 8PM) my results went to chance immediately. I'm still the skeptic in looking at all psi data, but there's no doubt in my mind that psi exists. Scott [DAT = 'Decision Augmentation Theory' - PJ] Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Fri Jun 20, 2003 3:54 pm Subject: Re: Re: Scott's experiments on PK docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Scott, So in your trials were you trying to use PK or just predict the outcome? It sounds like you were trying to do PK, but were ACTUALLY RIing yourself to do it at times that coincidentally worked..which would be some form of synchronicity-psi.. But when you forced a start time it resolved to PK or nothing .. and that method failed..??? Best Regards, Bill Reply | Forward

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From: "Scott Ellis" Date: Fri Jun 20, 2003 9:46 pm Subject: Re: Scott's experiments on PK scottrver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Bill Pendragon So in your trials were you trying to use PK or just > predict the outcome? It sounds like you were trying to > do PK, but were ACTUALLY RIing yourself to do it at > times that coincidentally worked..which would be some > form of synchronicity-psi.. But when you forced a > start time it resolved to PK or nothing .. and that > method failed..??? To my understanding the results are consistent with DAT, which I didn't learn about until later. I was trying to use PK in every trial. I don't know how I'd know if I was actually doing something else. Certainly there was no formal design to the experiment to try to isolate any mechanistic parameters. Scott ------------------------- Moderator's note: That's really the problem everywhere, isn't it? That there isn't any way to actually enforce 'different' or separate parameters in psi research. There really isn't any way to tell if one is using precognition, PK, RI, or some reality-point shift etc. in almost anything. I mean, even when a viewer describes a live outbounder, who is to say that what they describe is not subtly influencing the outbounder toward what they notice or do? Or as you describe, if one takes any action and violates chance%, if one isn't being precog instead of really forcing a change on something else? I often think that the separation of all the 'psi skills' and such is an arbitrary division and that in reality, there is no separating any of it. Maybe if I influence my neighbor to--I dunno, build a fence--I'm really just shifting to the reality-point experience where he does so, and the reality-point where he does exists too, I'm just not paying attention to it. Maybe I only influenced myself and my experience, not him. Or maybe I influenced the dog to act out so he decided on a fence. Or maybe he precognitively, subconsciously knew I flipped out about the dog and to avoid that conflict built the fence. How could one possibly even demonstrate, let alone prove, one thing vs. another? I just don't see how we can really separate, delineate any of this stuff. I'd love to hear suggestions. I don't have many ideas. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Sat Jun 21, 2003 10:17 pm Subject: Re: Scott's experiments on PK stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > PJ wrote: > Maybe if I influence my neighbor to--I dunno, build a fence--I'm > really just shifting to the reality-point experience where he does > so, and the reality-point where he does exists too, I'm just not > paying attention to it. Maybe I only influenced myself and my > experience, not him. Or maybe I influenced the dog to act out so > he decided on a fence. Or maybe he precognitively, subconsciously > knew I flipped out about the dog and to avoid that conflict built > the fence. How could one possibly even demonstrate, let alone > prove, one thing vs. another? If you 'see' something and then change it to be something else... that's RI, don't you think? If you just 'see' it.. then it's PK. The test is to think of something that you WANT to happen that wouldn't ordinarily happen... then make it happen. For example, some one once said to a subject..."where is the one place you would never go". The subject was a DeadHead .. worked for a living and lived a simple life. She replied that she would never, ever go to Nice. That was a place only rich people went. My friend then arranged to meet her in Nice. She created a situation to influence the future and ended up going to Nice. To my way of thinking, PJ... she RI'd the future because she PLANNED for something to happen.. something she never thought would happen otherwise. trypper ---------------------- Moderator's note: So in reality, she influenced herself. (Technically you can't RI yourself--that's an oxymoron--if it's yourself being influenced, it isn't REMOTE, right? LOL!) The future is a by-product of our interaction with ... something ('what' depends on beliefs). I can call it PK if I want a door to stay shut, shut it normally, then yell at it it in anger and it then refuses to open for days until the entire knob is forcibly taken out. But maybe my anger moved ME. There might be more than one thread of experience possible. If that were so, all influence would be self-influence of perspective, not change of anything 'external.' Just a theory. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:22 am Subject: Re: Scott's experiments on PK stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Moderator's note: So in reality, she influenced herself. > (Technically you can't RI yourself--that's an oxymoron--if > it's yourself being influenced, it isn't REMOTE, right? LOL!) No.. she influenced the events that led to her going there. She didn't go out and buy a ticket. She created a series of events... seemingly outside of her control... that resulted in the situation of her going. > The future is a by-product of our interaction with ... > something ('what' depends on beliefs). [snip] There might be > more than one thread of experience > possible. If that were so, all influence would be self-influence > of perspective, not change of anything 'external.' > Just a theory. PJ Maybe there isn't anything external. Maybe everything out there is .. just a matrix. trypper Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue Jun 24, 2003 6:16 pm Subject: Re: Re: RIing yourself docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > > (Technically you can't RI yourself--that's an > oxymoron--if Not an oxymoron at all.. if you RI yourself in the past to make a correct decision from the future. ------------------------ What's the 'remote' part? Time? You do RV and you still believe in time? :-) PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Arlene" Date: Wed Jun 25, 2003 6:33 am Subject: Re: RIing yourself rosearlene Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > PJ wrote: > (Technically you can't RI yourself--that's an > oxymoron--if > Bill wrote: > Not an oxymoron at all.. if you RI yourself in the > past to make a correct decision from the future. > PJ wrote: > What's the 'remote' part? Time? > You do RV and you still believe in time? :-) PJ See Bill, There we would go changing destiny again. Or, maybe not. How do we know that it was an incorrect decision. Sometimes I think that what we may think is an incorrect decision is the right one. It allows a certain happening of events. Ones that may not have occured had we made the other choice. Am, I getting my point across? Maybe, I'm all wrong but I always play these Q&A sessions with myself ;-). Arlene Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu Jun 26, 2003 4:45 pm Subject: Re: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Arlene, Remember the way Lyn described it ( I think I understand). You don't know if you should take a job or not. You make a committment to send a signal back to yourself in the past when you do know if the job will work out well or not.... ( Lyn never said exactly how he sends the signal ..but I take it its a body feeling or such) .. Now back in the past your right eyebrow starts to ich , which is the agreed upon signal that this is a good job to take ..so you take it, and become a millionare. The paradoxical thing..is: for this to work..you would seem to have to get information from two virtual future selves..the one that took the job and the one that did not take the job.. otherwise you can't know which is right. Now Lyn said it did not work that way..but I just never understoodd how Lyn felt it worked. Best Regards, Bill Reply | Forward

#3380

From: "Arlene" Date: Fri Jun 27, 2003 8:16 am Subject: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method rosearlene Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hey Bill, Good Morning........... Mmmmmm, I wonder if that would work on whether or not you will get a job? I'm presently waiting to hear if I will be getting a position I have applied for. However it is still to be determined if the position will exist. So that's two things I can do the test on ;-). Arlene > You make a committment to send a signal back > to yourself in the past when you do know if the job > will work out well or not.... Reply | Forward

#3384

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Fri Jun 27, 2003 7:33 pm Subject: Re: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Arlene, Well that was exactly one of the examples that Lyn mentioned. But he had a rather elaborate and detailed way of doing it. And I'm not sure I should or could repeate it. But it's on his tape that you can buy. I'll tell you another less elaborate method that Nita told me. Just make a huge golden 'ENERGY STAR" ALL AROUND YOUR APPLCIATION AND wherever your name appears.. put an "energy tag" that says..this person will be a great employee. If you go in person..also put up a big energy sign over your head saying how wonderful you are with an arrow pointing at yourself. And if you get discouraged ..just focus on your own sign mentally. It will keep you focused on presenting the correct image. Best wishes, bill Reply | Forward

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From: "Arlene" Date: Sun Jun 29, 2003 8:04 am Subject: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method rosearlene Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hello Bill, Ahhhh, yes I do remember Lyn talking about that now. Also, what Nita said to you sounds very good. I always believed you are what you throw off. So, surround yourself with positive energy and those around you will be drawn to you. Anyway, that's what I get from it. I most definitly will do it though. Funny how when you are up for something you start worring that it won't happen. Actually, I didn't even apply for the job, I was asked if I would take it if it were offered, if I was interested, send a resume. So, I did, then got really excited about it. Now I guess I have to RI them into creating the position and giving it to me ;-). I was starting to doubt myself, and that I know I shouldn't do because it most likely will send the wrong vibes. Thanks, for reminding me what Lyn told us and sharing what Nita said. Arlene Reply | Forward

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From: Karl Boyken Date: Fri Jun 27, 2003 8:51 am Subject: Re: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method kboyken Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Suppose your future self tells you that you're going to be fantastically wealthy, one of the wealthiest persons on the planet, if you do X. Or, suppose your future self tells you you'll be imprisoned and eventually executed, if you do Y. Which would you do? A no-brainer, right? Well, suppose you're a young Howard Hughes, and if you do X, you do become fantastically wealthy, but also, you die isolated by your own paranoia. Or, suppose you're a young Boethius, and if you do Y, you are imprisoned and executed, but you will write The Consolation of Philosophy and are remembered for generations to come. I still contend that depending on future selves for information is not all that it's cracked up to be. I doubt any of my physical future selves will be omniscient. Imho, real guidance comes from guidance. Karl Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Fri Jun 27, 2003 11:01 pm Subject: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > I still contend that depending on future selves > for information is not all that > it's cracked up to be. I doubt any of my physical > future selves will be > omniscient. Imho, real guidance comes from guidance. > Karl Well Karl, ... your future self could tell you to make sure that neither you nor anyone you loved went to New York on 9/11. That's guidance enough for most of us. trypper Reply | Forward

#3398

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Fri Jun 27, 2003 7:40 pm Subject: Re: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Karl, Well all that you say is true.. but there is no guarantee that if you DON'T do it ..you will end up happy with your choice either? Maybe you would end up with no money..and also be a miserable parnoid nutball. Also I'm still confused about the paradoxical nature of having two or more future selves that have to compare notes and decide which message to send back in time?? Bill Reply | Forward

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From: Karl Boyken Date: Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:14 am Subject: Re: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method kboyken Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 What if your future self was wrong, though? What if there's some greater purpose to your life that would have been served by going to New York on 9/11? Karl > Well Karl, ... your future self could tell you to make sure that > neither you nor anyone you loved went to New York on 9/11. That's > guidance enough for most of us. > trypper -- Karl Boyken mailto:kboyken...net http://www.avalon.net/~kboyken Reply | Forward

#3439

From: "stanley01420" Date: Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:39 am Subject: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Karl wrote: > What if your future self was wrong, though? What if there's some > greater purpose to your life that would have been served by going to New > York on 9/11? If you can know yourself well enough then you know that feeling that inevitably turns out to be right. You trust yourself. If you feel that your life is being directed by some outside force that you had better listen to instead of listening to yourself, then you probably disregard your own better judgement in favor of whichever religious authority you adhere to. That's also a choice. trypper Reply | Forward

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From: Karl Boyken Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 8:53 am Subject: Re: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method kboyken Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 I'm not talking about a religious authority or about something that is not myself. I'm talking about listening to my true self, not one of my physical selves. It's not an outside force, it's an inside force. Karl > If you feel that your life is being directed by > some outside force that you had > better listen to instead of listening to yourself, > then you probably disregard > your own better judgement in favor of whichever > religious authority you > adhere to. That's also a choice. Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Thu Jul 3, 2003 8:16 am Subject: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > I'm not talking about a religious authority or about something that is not > myself. I'm talking about listening to my true self, not one of my physical > selves. It's not an outside force, it's an inside force. > Karl So you don't think that your physical selves are your true self, Karl? Who else would they be? I guess I don't understand. trypper Reply | Forward

#3455

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu Jul 3, 2003 8:14 pm Subject: Re: Re: Allen docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Mary, I don't think it is fair to say Allen is a "Starfire " . He has a different energy to me. I would guess "he" is someone who studied RV for awhile and wants to teach but doesn't want to ..or has been asked not to link to use others names. Will look forwards to Liz report. Best Regards, Bill -------------------------- Bill. Are you replying on pjrv to a conversation on farview? PJ Reply | Forward

#3414

From: Karl Boyken Date: Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:01 am Subject: Re: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method kboyken Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi, Bill. If I have a higher self or guidance or whatever you'd like to call it, then guidance should have a far better idea of what is "good" for me--a far better idea of what is "good" in general--than any physical version of me, past, present or future. That's what it boils down to, for me. Karl > Well all that you say is true.. but there is no > guarantee that if you DON'T do it ..you will end up > happy with your choice either? Maybe you would end up > with no money..and also be a miserable parnoid > nutball. -- Karl Boyken mailto:kboyken...net http://www.avalon.net/~kboyken Reply | Forward

#3440

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Mon Jun 30, 2003 6:30 pm Subject: Re: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Karl, Well I would not interfere with your belief system.. HOWEVER, perhaps your higher source wants you to RI the future so you will do better...otherwise you just arn't listening to it as well as you could?? Best regards, Bill > If I have a higher self or guidance or whatever > you'd like to call it, > then guidance should have a far better idea of what > is "good" for me--a > far better idea of what is "good" in general--than > any physical version > of me, past, present or future. That's what it > boils down to, for me. ----------------------- Karl, I think that reasoning is what many hold--I assume something similar, that a part of me certainly has a larger vision and plan than I as I know me do -- I think that is one reason many people use divination forms such as dowsing, tarot cards, runes, and things like that--as an opportunity to "talk with themselves" and get reasonably specific direction about their life. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Karl Boyken Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 8:59 am Subject: Re: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method kboyken Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 That's a thought. In my case, if it were a method that would help me listen to my guidance better, I'm sure they'd have beat me over the head with it by now. I'm not a good listener, guidance-wise. But maybe that's just me. Karl > HOWEVER, perhaps your higher source wants you to RI > the future so you will do better...otherwise you just > arn't listening to it as well as you could?? ----------------- Well I generally have to be beat over the head with it to learn. Sometimes almost literally. :-) Maybe it's contagious. -- PJ Reply | Forward

#3422

From: "Linda & John Garvey" Date: Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:59 am Subject: Re: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method linda_g7us Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > ... your future self could tell you to make sure that neither you nor >anyone you loved went to New York on 9/11. That's guidance enough for >most of us. >trypper Yep! More than enough, for sure, for me, too. :) Linda G "The distinction between past, present and future is only an illusion, even if a stubborn one." -- Albert Einstein -- Reply | Forward

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From: Karl Boyken Date: Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:28 am Subject: Re: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method kboyken Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 There was no bail, no judge and jury, back in Boethius's time, so I'm not sure that would have been an option. Anyway, Hughes had tons of money but lived alone, in continual fear of contracting a disease. Karl > I might do both if i'm THAT rich, I'd (X) bail myself (Y) out, hire > the best lawyers, pay off the judge and jury, feel like a generous > rich person(X) and I (Y) would feel loving devotion and thankfulness > to X forgever., right? -- Karl Boyken mailto:kboyken...net http://www.avalon.net/~kboyken Reply | Forward

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From: Karl Boyken Date: Mon Jul 7, 2003 8:19 pm Subject: Re: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method kboyken Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 It's slowly dawning on me that I'm talking from an entirely different set of experiences/assumptions/whatever here. Ah, well. If I were to believe that my physical self is "me," then it would make perfect sense to have future physical selves RI me. Karl > So you don't think that your physical selves are your true self, > Karl? Who else would they be? I guess I don't understand. > trypper -- Karl Boyken mailto:kboyken...net http://www.avalon.net/~kboyken Reply | Forward

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Tue Jul 8, 2003 6:43 pm Subject: Re: Re: RIing yourself..Lyns method maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aloha Karl, Well since the biological community seems to have accepted the fact that we have memory in every cell in our physical body...Who is this body then?...If not I... I find it sort of a wast of physical life... if I only... foucus on that etherial/obfuscated self...I am also an animal...and proud of it! If life has any meaning...than it is meaningful...and that also means...the body is meaningful...for it lives... It holds/creates... all those fun chemicals...mother nature provided for our pleasure... When my mother died...she looked so great at her funeral ...(in that silly pink box my ignorant stepfather of the year...picked out)......that I briefly thought... she might just wake up...she looked like she was taking a nap before going out... but of course...she...was gone...but that dead shell of my mothers body...left behind...had once carried me within it...and given birth to me...breast fed me...held me and wiped away my tears...and I loved it... ...as well as the rest of her...Parts of a once living...collage...That is why I had to kiss it goodbye...As a mother of three now...I know this in every cell of my body...It is and I am...so far Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguisable from magic." "Arthur C. Clarke Reply | Forward

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From: "Linda & John Garvey" Date: Wed Jun 25, 2003 1:41 pm Subject: Re: Re: RIing yourself linda_g7us Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Arlene, Bill, PJ and All, I think any decisions we make (or re-make with RI across so-called "time, past or future") are probably going to change things to one extent or another. "Correct" or "incorrect" would be a matter of what one is looking to create, IMO. Isn't that what choice is all about? A choice we make "today" can affect "tomorrow," yet we make our choices. If we "go back" and make a different choice "yesterday," then "today" AND "tomorrow" might be different. All our choices should be well thought-out, I guess, no matter "when" they are made. Using and relying upon intuition generally helps me a lot with this choice stuff, trying to do the best I can anway. :) Linda G "The distinction between past, present and future is only an illusion, even if a stubborn one." -- Albert Einstein --

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