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#3774

From: Timelord2029... Date: Sat Jan 17, 2004 9:25 am Subject: Re: The Perfect Session: was (Detail on McMoneagle in Japan) psitrooper24 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > PJ wrote: > how come I can't RV like that?! A question we all ask ourselves in this field ;-) Seriously though, i think its down to RAW talent just like anything else. I also suspect astrology could highlight those most likely to succeed in a field such as this although substantial research on viewers date's of birth would be required to reach any sort of conclusion on that. The only other main reasons for not producing near photo matching sessions could be lack of practice or training, and ahem....maybe... just maybe ...the RV method employed?. Just my thoughts,,, Peace, Tunde ---------------------- Well, when any of us has twenty-five years -- much of that full time, all of it consistent -- viewing under our belts for a fair comparison, then I guess we can consider the other details, like talent, method, etc.! PJ Reply | Forward

#3785

From: Timelord2029... Date: Sun Jan 18, 2004 2:34 am Subject: Re: The Perfect Session: was (Detail on McMoneagle in Japan) psitrooper24 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Well, when any of us has twenty-five years -- much of that full time, all > of it consistent -- viewing under our belts for a fair comparison, then I > guess we can consider the other details, like talent, method, etc.! PJ Hi PJ, So are we saying to be able to produce near photo perfect sessions consistently we have to invest that amout of time (25yrs +) and dedication to achieve such high standards of RV? I dont think naturals such as Pat Price fall into that category but i dont know his whole background and dont want to go down the whole natural Vs trained psychic debate. But If time and effort is a major factor here maybe RV Trainers need to make this crystal clear prior to and during training with new Rv recruits. We see adverts proclaiming 100% success or that they alone are the best soon you will be doing it just like the pro's in the millitary etc....Nowhere do they say it could take you 10 - 30 years of full time viewing before you can call yourself a world class Viewer. I think its a combination of all the factors previously mentioned to varying degrees, Training and practice as i mentioned earliear is linked to the amount of time spent in these specific areas as you pointed out in joes case, but i still think to be as good as the best (Pat Price, Ingo, Lyn etc..) requires that bit extra..what that "extra" bit is i do not know but sure would like to find out. Peace, Tunde ------------------------- Good heavens no, I didn't say someone HAD to have 25+ years in before they could view really well. He viewed 'really well' long prior to that. I'm just saying he DOES have that, so when I'm comparing myself to him (the comment that prompted your response), I try to keep in mind that I can't fairly measure issues like talent or training between us, because his experience compared to mine is such an overwhelming factor. PJ Reply | Forward

#3791

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Sun Jan 18, 2004 3:30 pm Subject: Re: The Perfect Session: docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Tunde and All, What makes a really clear session or a foggy unclear session is yet another mystery unresolved as far as I know. Even as a raw beginner I had one session that was crystal clear.. and if I could painting skills to matchI could have drawn it photographically. But that was only one session out of 50 or so in that group. But why? If one can do it once , why not all the time? Is a complete mystery to me. I'm sure other viewers have similiar stories. I think more pertinent is how to get very consisten near perfect work..G Best Regards, Bill Reply | Forward

#3801

From: mike reid Date: Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:24 pm Subject: Re: The Perfect Session: mikr46 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Bill! I am having a senior moment again! When you speak of clear and foggy in this context, does it include accuracy or not? I inferred from your beginner exercise that it was an accurate one. However, I inferred from your last comment that clarity and accuracy might be different. I am reminded of a comment made by Joe McMoneagle in one of his writing that went something like this- My best work[accuracy] comes when I am most surprised- At first that seemed contradictory to me, however, over time I am finding that my discriptions are more accurate than my summations- I am still working on improving my skill in classifying my discriptions into more accurate summations. I am having trouble explaining this-Sorry I will quit while I'm ahead!! LOL Best Regards Mike Reply | Forward

#3805

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:23 pm Subject: Re: The Perfect Session: docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Mike, In my experience..usually but not always.. sort of foggy peripheral fleeting visual information is really closely related to the target..although it's foggy and incomplete and hard to sketch before it disappears... it's pretty accurate. When it morphs into some clear object..it's usually a fat AOL..that may only faintly resemble the target. Best Wishes, bill Reply | Forward

#3814

From: "rgoodwinau" Date: Tue Jan 27, 2004 5:53 am Subject: Re: The Perfect Session: rgoodwinau Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Bill > What makes a really clear session or a foggy unclear > session is yet another mystery unresolved as far as I > know. This seems a common experience. I have experienced it (am only a novice) as like seeing a sepia coloured picture on a TV with lots of speckled "snow-like" interference. I have heard other RVers also describe it. I recall hearing an audio transcipt of Joe McMoneagle RVing a target distant in space and past time struggle to make good contact with the target through static. If I recall correctly, he interpreted the difficulty with making good target contact as representing distance in time or space (I cannot remember which). Has anyone identified any conditions that make targets more foggy than others? Regards Ralph

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