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From: greenmn900... Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:47 pm Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates greenmn900... Send Email Send Email Glyn, Thanks! I appreciate it. That was a subject I've given a lot of thought to over the years and I finally realized the tasker's intention isn't nearly as important as the RVers is. The Rver needs to always have a clear understanding of what they are trying to do. I was hesitant about disagreeing with Dick on his own board but I really feel that he's looking at it from the wrong perspective. It's not a question of whether the energy signature from the target is stronger than the energy from the taskers' thoughts. It's more a question of whether the RVer is trying to view the target or please the tasker - THAT's the situation that leads to telepathic overlay, imo. You wrote: > " I used to think along those lines too at > the beginning, but now I think that it may > go a bit like this........." (snip) I think you're really onto something here. (That was pretty funny too. It wouldn't surprise me if happens almost exactly like that, lol!) Basically, when left to its' own devices, the subconscious will just peek into the future and RV the feedback! Right? What I've tried to keep clear in my mind goes like this: If it's a picture target, I'm basically RVing my feedback - I want to get what that image is in the envelope. If it's an outbound target (we don't use a beacon person, just an address and a photo of the location in the envelope), then I'm trying to RV the location at the time I will go there to get feedback. That way, I sometimes get cars that are parked there, and transitory stuff like that. (Stuff that might not be there at the time I'm doing the session but will be when I go for feedback) If it's a question/statement target, I'm trying to get any and all information that will answer the question/statement in the envelope. If it's a precog target (which are always picture targets whe we do them), I tell myself to RV the next picture target I will see when I open the envelope. I really think this issue is another example of why working double blind is SO important. RVing double blind removes the problem entirely. The tasker has no idea what the target is either. Thanks for the kind words. Feel free to link to it or cross-post or what ever you want. Warm Regards, Don Reply | Forward

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From: aeonblueau8008... Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 4:41 am Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates terri8008 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 IMO, The fine art of tasking (I gather it's disappearing?) tasking is very important, and I prefer it, as I don't like target pools, hate photos, but that's just the way I am. Tasking is an amazing skill and tasker can hold you tight, keep you on the straight and narrow and/or move you to each and every detail in one session or 4 or 44.. also there is, are sub tasking-s, which to my knowledge I have only experienced once, it was put together by a master tasker. How areyou going to have, create, include a sub tasking without a tasker(if you were going to that extent on a project.) Also in my adventurous tasking (learning) I did manage one time to communicate a shape an object in the task(sort of a subtask), curious to see if the viewers did pick up on my NV(non verbal communication in any way shape or form), one viewer did report it to me spot on at the end of session,also did nail the tgt. And I have played around after working the viewer in the past and present on site then moving them to the 'future' or future event, I could not have moved-directed the viewer without retasking.. Tasking is a very fun thing to work . . . and in my case and the way I work, I have to totally thoroughly trust the tasker and the monitor. another note viewing the feedback (as opposed to the actual site), that is/was another no no, but again just the way I was raised.. but I guess, or as I understand that's what you strive for in certain ARV practice. Just another learned RV or PSI skill I guess all the best ~~Terri Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 4:10 pm Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates greenmn900... Send Email Send Email Hi Terri, > You wrote: > "Tasking is an amazing skill and tasker > can hold you tight, keep you on the > straight and narrow and/or move you to each > and every detail in one session > or 4 or 44." The above sentence confused me. Are you referring to tasker, monitor, or both combined in the same person? > You wrote: > "another note viewing the feedback > (as opposed to the actual site), that > is/was another no no, but again just > the way I was raised..." But if you visit the site of an outbound target, that IS feedback - but maybe you didn't do outbounds, I don't know. Do you mean you were trained in a method where you never got to see how well you did? You never got the chance to compare your perceptions to the target? That seems like an awful hard way to learn. Regards, Don ----------------------------- Moderator's note: I think an interesting question is, in a sort of holographic universe, and in a process that is probably sourcing psi info from god only knows how many directions (including one's own future, the feedback, and potentially everybody who's ever had any relationship to the target at all, from a visit to a view to a tasking, etc.), how can we really say that the target photo is separate from the target? The viewer's intent is what drives the session and does the RV version of Occam's Razor down to "what is most important" (or in the case of many taskings, "What is more interesting, because they weren't specific otherwise"). In training, feedback is feedback. If you're shown a photo from 10 years ago Spring and the target was the location now, in Winter, if you are told or tasked to view the target in Winter then THAT is your feedback -- "this, modified by season and time". If you were not told, or not told preferably before seeing the photo, then your dominant feedback would be the photo, so obviously that is what you'd be expected to have described -- pulling a private tasking (not telling the viewer) and giving non-matching feedback is a good way to seriously torque the whole learning theory that drives half of this. So it seems to me that this leaves one with a few options: 1. Viewer sees feedback, bases session on feedback as target (you can't separate site and feedback in this case, they are 2 of a zillion sources of data, the viewer parses down to what they think is most important or interesting, regardless). 2. Viewer sees feedback, but is told something different was the goal. In this case, the 'telling' is the 'real' feedback and so if one gave data based on the directive, you still couldn't say you weren't just viewing your feedback. But, giving additional feedback (the photo) that isn't what was desired will increase the chance of that bleeding into the session. 3. Viewer sees no feedback, and is simply told whether or not he described the 'real target site'. Well that's still feedback, so see

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ove. I think in reality, the universe within us is available to describe whatever is most relevant about a target. Whether we describe some photo feedback, describe the target site, describe a different thing 10 years previous which amazingly enough matches the pattern/info of the target site, whether we describe our feedback (and as much of that is mental, assumptive, etc. as formal), none of it really matters as long as the data we end up with fulfills the needs for which it is collected. And much of that goes back to the viewer driving the session. Who is in charge -- the viewer, the tasker, the end-user, the analyst, etc. -- the viewer's own psychology will decide some of this regardless of what "should" be the case. The viewer may describe something in an ops target that goes in a file and is not useful, only to have a detective pick it up 9 years later, see that one thing, and it's the piece that breaks the case. It may be that for reasons we don't know at this point, all of that was known on some level by the fuller-self of the viewer, and that was the decision made. I think it's entirely possible that in a split second we have an immense amount of data, and that depending on our talents and skills, we can wrap this into seeming almost literal, linear and physical, fly through it, bilocate into it, and so forth.... but in my view, this might be the same as it is for physical reality -- it might be little more than a holographic projection of an internal energy pattern. It might be that we never "go" anywhere -- to the target or a picture, to the present or our future feedback -- we just use that model concept for convenience. If there isn't really any time or space, where could we go? When? -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 5:11 pm Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates greenmn900... Send Email Send Email PJ, There you go, twisting my mind around again. LOL!! You do that all the time! > You wrote: > "I think an interesting question is, in a sort of > holographic universe," (snip) " how can we really > say that the target photo is separate from the target?" Well ,we can't really. Because in the holographic model, everything is everything, and everything is part and parcel of everything. It's all the same. It's not even really correct to say '"it's an aspect" of the target. > You wrote: > " pulling a private tasking (not telling the viewer) > and giving non-matching feedback is a good way to > seriously torque the whole learning theory that > drives half of this." I think it's a good way to seriously torque the mind of the viewer as well. RV is such a difficult learning process to begin with, without at least a little positive reinforcement, you're left with nothing but negative reinforcement. So the viewer knows they aren't doing it right but they don't know how or why they aren't doing it right. It leaves the RVer stumbling around in his/her own mind with less than zero understanding of a process that's damned difficult to understand under the best of conditions. In the best of cases, as much feedback as is known regarding the target is exactly what is given to the viewer. The more the Rver sees as feedback, the more likely they are to give additional information that is NOT present in feedback. They have more "jumping off points", so to speak, for gathering additonal information above and beyond what is curently known regarding the target. Of course, if there's a chance the Rver may have to revisit the target again at some future point, you may not want to give ALL information that is known about the target. But then again, if the RVer is going to be operating under the double blind protocol, why not? The Rver will not know when s/he is working this target again anyway. Warm Regards, Don ------------------------ Moderator's note: Ha! Actually, shortly into the target the viewer MAY know what it is, subconsciously or consciously, at which point, all intellectual 'knowns' from previous feedback would matter. I'm sorry now that my target pool is so damn big. I wanted to do a lot more repeat targets. I have two of everything in there, but some I keep adding, and I still have like 700 targets to go! LOL! At this rate if I don't get off my butt it'll be years! PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 2:31 am Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Speaking of weird tasking, here's one that can be fun. Try deliberately double tasking a session. For instance, say the target is both the Eiffel Tower AND suchandsuch white water rafting. You do one session and yet have two targets. Hilariously, your mind can easily find stuff that both tasks have in common and can give you a kind of dual answer. You might get stuff like, groups of people out to see the sights and have fun, outdoors, blue sky, wind, mountains nearby, plants, bright clothes, vacation, laughing, etc. It's amazing how many things 2 targets can have in common and often it's stuff that the conscious mind would never think of. Since I do wildcards, I can play this game on myself without inflicting it on others, LOL! But it has been fun most definitely. If you have viewers that don't mind a little bit of experimentation from time to time, it can be a fun thing to try. -E ------------------------------ Moderator's note: What a coincidence, Don and I were just talking about this! Not done deliberately though. I've had various protocol accidents that resulted in two different targets being assigned, and seen the data that results... a conglomerate, but often how data from one will wrap into the other as if the mind is looking for points of commonality. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Viv" Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 12:26 pm Subject: Re: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates eclecticviv Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Eva: This kinda thing happens frequently, doing ARV. Even with the best of RV'rs this will still happen to a small degree. What you suggest as a fun tasking, is a good practice idea though, because it gives a clearer idea of the strong similarities between targets, that visually, may seem very different at first. An example of this, might be the similarities of descriptives and even sketches, that might result if one were doing a session with two photos, one of a large skeleton of a museum dinosaur exhibit, and the other of a mining excavator. Increased knowledge of similar descriptors between two or more targets would seem an advantage to the tasker, when making decisions about pairing or combining different targets, for possible viewer sessions. Viv* > It's > amazing how many things 2 targets can have in common and often it's > stuff that the conscious mind would never think of. Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 7:44 pm Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates greenmn900... Send Email Send Email PJ, I HATE doing practice targets more than twice! I bet I haven't done it more than a dozen times - which, since you know how many targets I've done, you can imagine the work load that has put on my wife, Sheila. Hell, I owe everything to her patient, reliable tasking. The times I have done repeat targets, though, it was interesting to me that I usually had no idea I had done the target before. There HAVE been times, quite a lot lately, when I knew what the target was early into the session. But I don't recall it ever happening on repeat practice targets. But you're right, if the viewer has seen ALL the feedback, it would influence a repeat tasking - quite a bit. Warm Regards, Don ------------------------ Moderator's note: I love it! I love seeing the different data I get, and on some occasions, feeling the commonalities and kind of wondering... PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 2:14 am Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Don wrote: > when left to its' own devices, the > subconscious will just peek into the > future and RV the feedback! Right? Or maybe the subconscious simply knows what the target is in the same way as it knows how to go to the target and get the info. Why would it need to go to the future? It doesn't need to go to the future to tell you what's on Mars does it? (not my likely future anyway) > What I've tried to keep clear in my mind goes like this: > If it's a picture target, I'm basically RVing my > feedback - I want to get > what that image is in the envelope. I always say you are going to the time and location that the photo represents. Otherwise, you are talking about rving ARV style and getting a flat piece of paper with various colors and lines on it. I see there has been some interesting chitchat here. I regret that I may not find the time to catch up. -E Reply | Forward

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 2:54 pm Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aloha PJ, > I wanted to do a lot more repeat targets. > I have two of everything in there, but some > I keep adding, and I still have like 700 > targets to go! LOL! At this rate if I don't > get off my butt it'll be years! PJ Why not put the currant finished sessions (TIDs) in a seperate file... for a while ...and when an appropriate number of them have accumlated...then you know that you will get at least one of them ...that has been seen before...from that group... and also that might make it clearer that the first larger group ... has less of those already seen,,,...Might be some interesting learning from that...or not... Gotpsi's card tests are somewhat along that vein...One knows that the picutre that is 'under' the card will be one of a small number of images...and will have been seen many times...I have no idea what this effect is.ultimately..but I do know that out of a couple thousand card games...I have absolutely known which photo was going to appear...and was even correct ...enough times to impress myself... when the feeling was especially fertile... Of course...there are always those times when I 'feel' so on target...and I am not!...I hate when that happens...and it happens more often than not!...hahah Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna Reply | Forward

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From: aeonblueau8008... Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 2:56 am Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates terri8008 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > straight and narrow and/or move you to each > and every detail in one session > or 4 or 44." (from Don)The above sentence confused me. Are you referring to tasker, monitor, or both combined in the same person? . . . . The tasker. Monitor wouldn't know the target (except in training, monitor wearing both hats). i.e. when I task arecibo (in training) I bring the viewer in current time from above(overview), second session is tasked right down inside the 'bowl'. The great SF quake, I task tightly(date time location) 2 minutes before the event(calm and serene), second session(tasking) is a few minutes into the event, the quake(shake rattle and roll chaos). Thera I task moments before the eruption (simply- describe environmentals), next task is right to the heart of the eruption (move to the event), really catches the viewer off guard. Interesting with Thera, in my experience, the fellas tend to AOL nuke explosion or space shuttle blast off,stay earth bound, while the females tend to (let go) get blown far and away wildly tumbling away from the earth. It's a fun target to work. Anyway tasking works, and especially via the net or for the net, IMO it's better to task a target in small steps, seems to work better especially for newbies who have no sort of developed structure (tasker can walk them thru or create, incorporate structure with the tasking) > "another note viewing the feedback > (as opposed to the actual site), that > is/was another no no, but again just > the way I was raised..." (Don)But if you visit the site of an outbound target, that IS feedback - but maybe you didn't do outbounds, I don't know. Do you mean you were trained in a method where you never got to see how well you did? You never got the chance to compare your perceptions to the target? That seems like an awful hard way to learn. . . . . I was referring to RVing the feedback as opposed to the actual site, and yes I have worked my fair share of outbounders, some resulting in shocking mindblowing details, as you mentioned in another post of yours. And yes there are numerous targets and tasking I never received feedback from, and the only reason I figure I was on tgt is folks continued to use me, and then or now when I work pay per view, folks have every right to withhold feedback as they just pay for the info, the rest is none of my buisness. Also not receiving feedback, it's way to keep in shape or get in shape stay disciplined, there's no guessing no AOL, thers no reason as your never going to know.. You can be scored on hit or miss your percentage, but after a while you 'know' when your on tgt and when your just screwing around in session. another comment, where I dropped the ball Don.. the difference between flash images (the shadow land grainy ones) AOL and bilocation, all three are distinctly different, AOL is very apparent to me and I bury it or blind myself to it immediately, it will ruin or trash my whole session(I feel, I think, it's been my experience if you don't acknowledge AOL it disappears, it fails to come up or surface any longer). Flash images have been very accurate, and have a quality all their own. If you visit the feedback site and have had a flash image during session you;ll find much detail, detail not incorporated in the 'flash', even tho the 'flash' is accurate in every other way. bilocation, well you know when that hits you, certainly not an AOL and much longer duration as opposed to a 'flash'.. all the best ~~Terri pjrv : Messages : 2027-2050 of 4038
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From: greenmn900... Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:19 am Subject: Re: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates greenmn900... Send Email Send Email Eva, > You wrote: > "Or maybe the subconscious simply knows > what the target is in the same > way as it knows how to go to the target > and get the info. Why would > it need to go to the future? It doesn't > need to go to the future to > tell you what's on Mars does it? (not > my likely future anyway)" We were basically discussing what happens when the tasker isn't clear about exactly what the target is, if that causes overlay problems, etc. Glyn's line of thought is that if all else fails, the mind just RVs it's own feedback and I agreed that's probably the case. We were sort of speculating on what the mind does when it doesn't have a clear target. When I use phrases like "going to the future" or "going to the target", I'm just using them as tools for conversation. Actually, I don't believe time or space really exist at all - or maybe I should say that they exist to such infinite degrees that there existence has no real meaning. I go with the holographic theory that everything is part of everything and all time is now - past, present, and future are just a matter of where things are in relation to your present point of perception. That's my point of view, anyway. Welcome back! Best Regards, Don Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:31 am Subject: Re: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates greenmn900... Send Email Send Email E, You been snooping around in mine and PJs' brains? lol! We WERE just talking about that! It just happened to me a couple days ago, too. My wife and I have been running a little experiment where she tries to send me messages at some point during the day. We're trying to see if I can pick up on the time that she does it and what the message is. It just so happened that she was doing it while I was trying to RV. (My wife didn't know this, she's out of town right now.) Like you said, I got elements of both and my mind was trying desperately to fit the two together. Best Regards, Don --------------------- Moderator's note: What impressed the hell outta me was that you specifically *named* her target and then cascaded conceptually back into the RV target. I'm thinking you and your wife should be doing outbounder trials. :-) PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:05 pm Subject: Re: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aloha Eve, > (Nowadays, I think coords exist mostly as a > place to launch indeograms and also as a > mental security blanket.{ I agree with your analysis... I think TID's are also great for keeping ones sessions catalogued... differientiates them for me......I can put then together chronologically... and I have papers all over the place...I can find the one diagrams I want... by the number at times...haha...and I think the TIDs are especially good for beginners...gives them a seeming crutch/support(your term 'blanki' was best)... untill they get their psi legs... Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna Reply | Forward

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From: "Bo Kindstrand <031-7115905...om>" <031-7115905...om> Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 12:52 pm Subject: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates bokindstrand Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 The sub has very little understanding of time if none IMO. The future or the past has also very little meaning for the subconscious. Everything is present at every moment. I like your holistic approach Don but at the same time I believe that both Time and Space do exist as I am there right now. So I think its quit okay to use the phrases > "going to the future" or "going to the target" And that this then is what really actually happens. But a little bit simplified if you "downsize" this holistic four-dimensional universe with one dimension. You get a three-dimensional space and something that fills out for the upcoming vacuum of missing dimension: and that is Time. And this three-dimensional space with a fourth dimension stands completely open at one side...and this is the reason why RVers has no difficulty to move forward and backward at amazing ease in Time. The brain of course is the Interface between the outer projected Universe and the inner (holistic) One. As a matter of fact each human brain is an exact replica and representation of the universe at the very moment of birth and represents one unique moment in this outer Universe. But this is just my belief structure of course. Bo Reply | Forward

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:00 pm Subject: Re: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aloha Eve, Me too!...I am really behind...but intend to catch up...Eventually... Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna > I see there has been some interesting > chitchat here. I regret that I > may not find the time to catch up. > -E Reply | Forward

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:53 pm Subject: Re: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aloha Eve & PJ, When I first started at PIA...I had a terrible time not getting both photos...It was quite frustrating at times for me... thank goodness and practice... that I overcame this...but never thought of doing it on purpose ...for fun!...hahah... I am just greatful it stopped......but I did learn a lot from it...mainly how not to let it happen...hahaha...(crosses fingers) Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 3:51 pm Subject: Re: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates greenmn900... Send Email Send Email Bo, > You wrote: > "I like your holistic approach Don but > at the same time I believe that both Time > and Space do exist as I am there right now." Ah, but you are WHERE right now? And what is NOW? Both concepts can only be objectified to some degree by comparison to the rest of time/space, which is actually an unending wholeness. I understand seeing it the way you do. That's how we operate in the day-to-day world. It makes sense on the surface. But for me, it's like this: everything is literaly connected to everything else at the quantuum level. So, to be able to claim that you are any "where" only has meaning in that it relates to some "where" else. So, any point in space can only be described or located in reference to, or relative to, somewhere else. That's what I meant when I said there's no such thing as time/space or that they exist to such infinite degrees as to lose all meaning. No "place" can really be seperated from everywhere else, except in conceptual, speaking terms. The same thing goes for time. Without physical matter, there is no way to measure time. We never *really* measure time anyway, we just measure physical processes like the earth's rotation around the sun or the decay of atomic particles, things that seem stable and predictable enough to be used as a reference point. I used to see that famous quote of Einstein's a lot, "Time is an illusion, albeit a stubborn one" or something to that effect. I couldn't understand that because there's always cause-and-effect which proves time is real, right? I mean, if I drop an egg on the ground, it won't break until AFTER I've dropped it. The dropping HAS to happen BEFORE. If there is such a thing as before and after, then there HAS to be such a thing as time, right? But then I realized that once again, I was only measuring physical processes, not time itself. Eventually, I decided to just go along with the quantuum physicists and agree that time is not real and space isn't either. But it's still a problem I try to avoid grappling with head-on. It gives me a headache! lol! We all have to find belief structures that work for us as individuals and allow us to do the things we do in RV without too much cognitive dissonance. My problem is that alot of the things I believe, or think I semi-understand, I can't find the words to express - I usually have to leave that part up to Palyne, lol. Best Regards, Don Reply | Forward

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From: "Glyn" Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 2:29 pm Subject: RE: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates gebega Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Don, You said: My problem is that alot of the things I believe, or think I semi-understand, I can't find the words to express - I usually have to leave that part up to Palyne, lol. LOL! I find it extremely difficult getting some of my thoughts into words too, and it's really frustrating. I actually think (well currently anyway), that we access our 'future memory' of the target. I do not think we view the feedback directly, so no flat photographic paper and borders and things.:-)..............but I do think we access our memories of *having seen* the feedback, and our resulting overall concept, including all the thoughts/emotions we may have had when we received it, and any subsequent visit or associated information we may receive about the target. I think also that we can access those memories at any point in our future. This is the bit I find difficult to get into words..........the trick may be not to access our future memories at a point that is too late (and therefore the facts of the target may have become mixed with association, discussion, imagination or even other happenings at the time of feedback that were interesting...and this could perhaps be the cause of displacement or apparent 'overlay')...................... nor should we access the memories too early ( if an operational target for instance, we may get half-formed event(s); probabilities which may not have become the final outcome). However, although I do tend to think it's a future memory thing, I'm not sure I 'sign up' to Dunne's explanation of serial time being the way it works.....in fact modern theories of 'holographic universes' would do as well IMO. However, whichever way our sub (or whatever it is that does the work) experiences time, whether it be serially, all at once, or even if there is no time at all..........to our conscious minds the feedback *is in the future*, and we can't work any other way as our conscious minds need linear time to stay anchored in workable reality, so we have to interpret the information in those terms (Hope I'm making myself clear here..... ..which is highly unlikely :-)) I'm sorry PJ, but my thinking about all this is in a bit of a state of flux at the moment, which is why I haven't replied to the mail you sent; there are 'holes' in my understanding of Dunne's ideas which I need to either plug or go on to something else :-). Ah well, as long as we all carry on listening and reading and thinking and wondering and contributing to the 'pot'. That's the most important thing. :-) Grins, Glyn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: Richard Krankoski Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:38 pm Subject: Re: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates Rich_crv Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 greenmn900... wrote: > Ah, but you are WHERE right now? And what is NOW? Both concepts can only be > objectified to some degree by comparison to the rest of time/space, which is > actually an unending wholeness. > etc, etc, etc.... Hi Don, And I thought the Abbot and Costello Who's On First? routine was complicated ! :) Rich Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 7:29 am Subject: Re: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates greenmn900... Send Email Send Email Hi Glyn, No I think you did a very good job of describing what you believe. That's a very interesting concept. I mean, the "future memory" thing is a pretty commonly-held notion. I think Joe M. was the first I ever heard put this idea out in regards to RV. But your ideas about *when* we access those future thoughts having an impact on things like overlay and the preciseness of our impressions is one I've never heard before. It makes a lot of sense to me. It could have a huge impact on how well we do in applications. It could also mean that learning to move along a timeline while in-session could be one of the most important skills an Rver can learn. Best Regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: "Glyn" Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:53 am Subject: RE: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates gebega Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Don, I think Joe M. was the first I ever heard put this idea out in regards to RV. Dunne first published his theory in 1927, he didn't mention RV of course (way after his time), but as an explanation of how psi could work it is fascinating isn't it? I would be interesting in reading Joe's views on it. But your ideas about *when* we access those future thoughts having an impact on things like overlay and the preciseness of our impressions is one I've never heard before. It makes a lot of sense to me. It could have a huge impact on how well we do in applications. It could also mean that learning to move along a timeline while in-session could be one of the most important skills an Rver can learn. Years ago when I used to lurk on UseNet a guy told me of an experience he had with a precognitive dream which was a perfect illustration of him having accessed his future memories at different periods. I have been wracking my brain to remember exactly what he said as it was 'illuminating'. I will post it if I remember. Trouble is Don, I have a poor memory, always have, so if I'm ever trying to access my memories from the past I feel sorry for me :-), ...well maybe that explains why I'm not a brilliant RVer. LOL! As well as hitting the correct 'spot' in the future, it It may be that we have to train our powers of observation/memory in the present in order to help us be good RVers in the past; if you get what I mean (if FM theory is in any way correct)........Now Joe (as a Gov't agent..and people like him), would probably have had to be very good at that I would have thought. Another thing to ponder :-) Kind regards, Glyn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 7:17 am Subject: Re: Re: The importance (or not) of Tasking and Coordinates greenmn900... Send Email Send Email Rich, You wrote: (I wrote) '> Ah, but you are WHERE right now? And what is NOW? Both concepts can only be > objectified to some degree by comparison to the rest of time/space, which is > actually an unending wholeness. > You wrote: etc, etc, etc.... Hi Don, And I thought the Abbot and Costello Who's On First? routine was complicated!" That's why I try not to think about it too much. I start changing my mind back and forth, back and forth - I end up with mental whiplash and don't know what the hell I believe anymore! LOL! Best Regards, Don

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