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#2557

From: "waterway_21" Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 2:03 pm Subject: The importance of RV info waterway_21 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Greetings everyone here, I am still relatively new to this board, and though I have been reading earlier archives and checking out recent books and websites, it may take a while to get up to speed. Having said that, my question may be yawn-inducing old news..... but here goes. Is the remote viewer getting info on the target in the envelope, or on the outbound tasker, or are they getting info on the feedback they will recieve later? Is the information actually sent back in time due to the "importance/significance" of the feeback experience? Is there a case where the viewer was correct, but NEVER recieved ANY feedback on a target. I mean they didn't even hear if they did well or poorly, never even heard mention of it again? I ask because I was reading Mr. McMoneagle's "RV Secrets" and he tells of describing a red bike outside a target that wasn't there when the outbounder was there, but when they went to get feedback, someone rides up on a red bike. He RVd the feedback, or so it seems. What if the success of an RV session has to do with how "important" or significant it is to the viewer? In the earlier instance of the red bike, I can imagine that when the person rides up on the red bike, the RV team there for feedback must have started screaming and running around waving their arms in shock.... okay, maybe it wasn't that significant....but that red bike showing up was important, with a capital I! Did jaws drop? I don't know, but it was important/significant enough to inspire Mr. McMoneagle to write about in his book. I am curious what OTHER things occurred during that feedback visit that would NOT have been there when the outbounder was outbounding earlier. But he didn't RV those things because they weren't seen as significant and important during the feedback visit. Okay, one more thought along that line..... what is the most recent news on the Local Sidereal Time effect? Is the current theory that the planet Earth is shielding the RVer from some sort of Galaxy Core originating PSI disruption force/energy? Or could it be that the LST effect occurred in the past studies because it is so important/significant to the RV community now? How horribly off base am I on all of this? Please show me where I am wrong. I appreciate any feedback anyone can provide. -Benton Reply | Forward

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From: James Phillip Turpin Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 5:56 pm Subject: Re: The importance of RV info james_p_turpin Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Is the remote viewer getting info on the target in the envelope, or > on the outbound tasker, or are they getting info on the feedback > they will recieve later? Is the information actually sent back in > time due to the "importance/significance" of the feeback > experience? Is there a case where the viewer was correct, but NEVER > recieved ANY feedback on a target. I mean they didn't even hear if > they did well or poorly, never even heard mention of it again? I > ask because I was reading Mr. McMoneagle's "RV Secrets" and he tells > of describing a red bike outside a target that wasn't there when the > outbounder was there, but when they went to get feedback, someone > rides up on a red bike. He RVd the feedback, or so it seems. My understanding is that Mr. McMoneagle has learned to control whether he is going to RV the feedback or the actual pre-intended target. Other remote viewers may vary as to which they tend to view, but either is possible. You can read the interview with Mr. McMoneagle on the firedocs web-site. > > What if the success of an RV session has to do with how "important" > or significant it is to the viewer? In the earlier instance of the > red bike, I can imagine that when the person rides up on the red > bike, the RV team there for feedback must have started screaming and > running around waving their arms in shock.... okay, maybe it wasn't > that significant....but that red bike showing up was important, with > a capital I! Did jaws drop? I don't know, but it was > important/significant enough to inspire Mr. McMoneagle to write > about in his book. I am curious what OTHER things occurred during > that feedback visit that would NOT have been there when the > outbounder was outbounding earlier. But he didn't RV those things > because they weren't seen as significant and important during the > feedback visit. See above. It can be controlled. It has a lot to do with intention and practice and methodology and protocol, and the individual. Those are all variables. > > Okay, one more thought along that line..... what is the most recent > news on the Local Sidereal Time effect? Is the current theory that > the planet Earth is shielding the RVer from some sort of Galaxy Core > originating PSI disruption force/energy? Or could it be that the > LST effect occurred in the past studies because it is so > important/significant to the RV community now? How horribly off > base am I on all of this? Please show me where I am wrong. My understanding is that 13:30 LST is best. See http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/sidereal.html to calculate LST. For instance, because of Daylight Savings Time, and because I'm pretty solidly in the middle of a time zone, I'm about 1 hour behind local sidereal time. So 12:30 PM would be the best time for me to RV, according to this theory. I don't know why though. It would be interesting to test correlation with specific natural physical phenomenon, such as ion levels, background EM radiation of various frequencies, gravitational tidal effects, etc. My understanding is that vriations of humn behavior due to phases of the moon has been shown to have an even stronger correltation whith ion levels, showing that ion levels is the real cause. So you can avoid many negative effects by controlling local ion levels. (Although 25% of people react the opposite as th other 75%). So it is important to figure out exactly what the cause is becuse it could pay of big if you could artificially induce an ideal RV environment at any time, and evn optimize it to the individual. Like in the movie "Minority Report", PSI power could in principle by gretly amplified if it got high tech. But I hope we have the wisdom to use it wisely. - James Reply | Forward

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From: Benton Bogle Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 8:16 am Subject: RE: The importance of RV info waterway_21 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 James, Thanks for your thoughtful reply to my post. I appreciate your mention of Mr. McMoneagle's ability to differentiate between RVing the intended timeframe. In any case, he is still RVing the Feedback, even if its not the feedback time/location. My main point was looking at the "significance" of the RV event, and the "subconscious" mind feeding the RV info would find it more significant to get the RV information correct whether it was intending to see the target at the time of the outbounder visit or the time of the feedback visit. I was emphasizing that I thought the RV session (through the use of the subconscious mind) looked for important information from the feedback session, whether the RVer was tasked with the location in the present or the future. Thanks again. -Benton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: Benton Bogle Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:41 pm Subject: The importance of RV info waterway_21 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 On 3/9 my post was presented in this forum, but I have not seen but one response to my questions. The friendly post I did receive provided some information, but didn't really address the central issues, so I would like to offer up my questions in another attempt to learn. The emphasis of my post was that it is the "siginficance/importance" of the RV event that determines the level of success. There is a positive correlation between the importance of the RV event and the success in RV. Is there any research that shows this relationship being tested? Is there any research on RV using personal locales or events as targets? I believe I have read that tests have been done to show that various forms of radiation sheilding did not effect the LST effect. Is this true? If so, what is causing it? Thanks for any feedback that can be provided. -Benton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 9:04 pm Subject: Re: The importance of RV info k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Benton wrote: > Is there any research that shows this relationship being tested? Is there any research available on anything? For all the yack about research, it doesn't seem easy to actually lay one's hands on much of it. Yeah, I think lots of people have noticed that the more interest/desire/need for target info, the better the session seems to run. However, I think that can also be very well explained by our latest theory on analysis. If it is the analysis that directs the session, then what you are thinking at analysis would likely have a strong effect (retrocausally) on the session. The same theory also explains wildcards. Somehow, it looks to me that there is a link between analysis and session, but such that the analysis is actually the tasking. Normally, sessions are analyzed according to the predecided tasking, so there is no diff. But occasionally the wrong target ID or some kind of mixup might occur. But still, the session seems to match the analysis right? Maybe that's cuz the analysis IS the tasking. We only assumed it was the other way thanx to logic. But rv doesn't always follow commonly accepted logic. It seems impossible that something that happens later (analysis) could cause something that happens earlier (session results), but if time is an illusion, then it's really not all that impossible. -E ---------------------- Moderator's note: The nature of science is half the problem. 99% of the "little things" learned, they can't write a whole paper on that. It has to be something fairly major, something novel (or deliberately replicating something if it's been previously published), etc. The 1001 "little things" known by a psi researcher like May for example are just in the head of the people who were there. They went into the general M.O. (protocol) of the lab that learned something, but they weren't like "announced" or anything. Most the stuff I hear about is only because I had a question, and asked somebody who was there and so knows. No other way to get the info. And these guys are getting on years; Joe's always had health issues since his time in the unit, and May might end up living out of country, these people may not be around forever, so anything that can be done to pry info out of their heads before the chance is lost is really important in my opinion. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 7:10 pm Subject: Re: Re: Pushing the retasking idea a little.. docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Thanks Eva and PJ and anyone else that tested this! Now if this is a reality.. perhaps it works in life also. Whatever happens to us..if we interpret it to mean something great is happening..perhaps we play the QM game in our favor. Sort of a basis for Positive Thinking. What are the rules..INTERPRET THE DATA THE FOR THE TARGET YOU WNAT, AND KEEP IT A SECRET! It also produces a rationale for cursing.. by reinterpreting a persons life to leading to no good. So if this is correct maybe one needs to keep as much of their life secret as possible. However, I don't think cursing is that easy otherwise both George Bush and Sadam Husein would be dead along with many other unpopular leaders in the world. ??? Best Regards, Bill -------------------------- Moderator's note: > Whatever happens to us..if we interpret it to > mean something great is happening..perhaps we play > the QM game in our favor. Well that was a nice rendition of one aspect of Seth's writings, actually. This is probably true. Concerning your other notes, I think Seth would suggest that we are all sovereign, however, we also live in the midst of the infinite. We choose what we experience. So, if I want Bush to die, I can't 'make' him die because he controls his own life, but I can focus myself into one of the infinite probabilities where he DOES die, if I focus clearly enough on my wish. Of course, then I will think I RI'd him to die, but in reality, I RI'd "where my perception was" and not anything about him external to me. This is the theory on PK you know and one reason Dr. May says he doesn't believe in it. It isn't that he never saw anything happen. It's that there is no evidence that the thing is happening vs. other explanations. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 10:26 pm Subject: Re: Pushing the retasking idea a little.. k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 No one observes your life more than you do. So maybe your own analysis of your life is the main issue. It gives a new rational for the old cliche of the power of positive thinking. I too have been thinking how this may relate to life in general. If this is a concensus reality, that fits right in. If there is an energy and our observation and agreed decision on it makes it into what it is, ie our world, then the whole world could be in essence an observation effect. But good luck trying to prove that one in an experiment! -E > Bill wrote: > Now if this is a reality.. perhaps it works in life > also. Whatever happens to us..if we interpret it to > mean something great is happening..perhaps we play the > QM game in our favor. Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 7:14 pm Subject: Re: Re: Retasking data.. ?? docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi PJ, Eva. BEfore I boil over from telling everyone about retasking.. can I ask one nagging question. Dif you have any objective scale for judging how well your retasking worked. What I mean is that a long RV session can be like a cup of tea leaves..one can see almost anything in it. It needs some kind of objectivication..just so I don't have to eat my keybord in public?? Best Wishes, Bill ------------------------- Moderator's note: As much as I would love to see you eat your keyboard doc (lol), right now, I haven't got an objective scale, and that is the MAIN reason why I keep saying that I have no personal conclusion on "why" the retasked sessions seem to match pretty well. It may be a linguistic side effect! -- a verbal one, a written one, most data can apply to anything, our words for shape also match words for motion and sometimes concept, there are limited geometrical forms with which we comprise our reality and every target, on and on, there are no lack of other explanations besides RI. However I must tell you that since even in the lab, psi is often really subtle when measured -- clearly there, but a subtle effect -- it is very doubtful that it would be any different for retasking, you know, maybe even moreso. It takes a ton of time, trials and money to objectively demonstrate even the subtle effect of ordinary RV. I do not think that any of us are going to be able to study this in a manner any scientist would like. And the 'real' convincing for me is usually empirical. For example, if I know there is no known leakage (it's wildcard for example), and a viewer has got something, like Joe's sessions that looks like a bleepin' blueprint of the target, there is no 'coincidence' involved in that, every millimeter of line drawing is a match IMO, out of nearly any target in the universe, I do not believe in luck that someone drew an oriental building with a fountain of just this type and a sidewalk curving around like so. But in science, you can draw blueprints 20% of the time when judging when 4 decoys, and still have zero effect size! -- chance -- those ridiculously clear hits mean nothing; it's all just a numbers game, and the effect is not constant, so it always ends up considered 'subtle'. Well that's the way it likely is for retasking. You can find what seems like incontrovertible, unarguable evidence that a session has been influenced by your retasking, in that same kind of mind blowingly clear way, but it's not so constant that it might bear out statistically, at least not without massive inquiry and careful controls and analysis. So, people just look into it if they're interested, and see if they think there might be some real experience of finding 'retasked' data in a session. I'm that far. Then they have to see if they can figure out what the reason is. That's the hard part! PJ Reply | Forward

#2668

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 7:57 pm Subject: Re: Re: Question

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Retasking by SKEPTICS?? and Joe M. docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hello PJ, I'm running over with questions..please respond! Given retasking is possible..what about doing live sessions in front of skeptical audience. They would see your work and be looking for the WRONG answer. I understand that with the Ft Meade bunch very few besides Joe M. could view as well in front of skeptics. Perhaps this is why..but if so WHAT IS JOES SECRET? I was told Joe retasked his sessions up to 100 times himself reworking over and over. Do you know if he did that as a general rule? If so perhaps that breaks down others abilities to RETASK . Or perhaps it's the reanalyzing your own sessions many times might help. Is it the last reanalysis or the most reanalysis??. Bill ------------------------- Moderator's note: Geez Bill, I see I should have come in earlier, there's like a bazillion posts here from you. :-) Wasn't ignoring you. Joe's secret: He rocks. LOL. Joe is an incredibly... "independent" person. Very capricorn in many ways. A survivor, bigtime. I think in Joe's psychology, a hostile RV crowd holding all the money or authority is about like a hostile enemy in the combat jungle. The only weapon he's allowed to use on them is blowing them away with good RV. ;-) Second para: I don't know where you heard that. I've never heard that. Maybe he said it. I will ask him. However he is not available a lot right now so it might be awhile. As a side note, Joe has always emphasized greatly that one's "thoughtful review" of their session was as important if not moreso than the session experience itself. PJ pjrv : Messages : 2664-2760 of 4038
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From: Benton Bogle Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 8:08 am Subject: RE: Re: The importance of RV info waterway_21 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Thanks so much for the feedback. I understand that since this is a fledgling science, relatively little formal research is done, and few dollars dedicated to it. But I hope individual RV ers will share experiences that support my conjecturing. Eva, your discussion of the role of analysis does support what I was saying. Perhaps I don't fully understand your ideas, but it appears that the analysis stage sets the bar for the earlier RV session, and it is the "meaning/significance" of the information the analyst is looking for that reaches back in time to the viewer to provide target info that the analysis is looking for. I am interested in the qualities of the target info perceived, whether these qualities ie their "importance/significance" are assigned at feedback time or during analysis. Is the analysis shared with the viewer? If so, the target info the analysis was looking for will be presented as "significant" during the feedback. Have you ever seen RVing done where the viewer recieved NO feedback? And PJ, I appreciated your 2 cents also. Again, I was hoping experienced RVers could pipe in and share some anecdotes where the "feedback significance" seemed to point out the target info that was percieved. Since RV is a young science, gigantic experiments that pull in tons of data are going to be rare for a while. It appears that, thought young, there is already a "schema" that has developed around the process, such that lots of wacky, unpredicted data that is gathered is routinely thrown out since it doesn't fit the belief system of the experimenters. That's no fault of anyone, that is just how science works. You develop a hypothesis, you test it for the variables that the hypothesis assumes, and the rest of the data is not important to the experiment. But I am prospecting here for the little bits and pieces that show up. I mean, why did the red bike show up in Mr. McMoneagles viewing? Because it was loaded with significance. Why did the water towers show up in Mr. Prices' viewing, even though they currently weren't at the site? Because the perecption of them during the viewing was significant during the analysis/feedback. The list goes on. I hope that the first generation of RVers as well as the current researchers will pipe in and provide all the weird and relatively consistant things they observed in their studies that aren't predicted by the current "theory". I know that the energy to be spent is perhaps best provided to "mainstream" RV research, and I know that there are enough wacky theories about how RV works to fill the Astrodome. But, I also know that in the history of science, it is the consistantly strange variable that pops up during the mainstream research that eventually leads to dynamic and powerful changes in our understanding of the world. This little variable really fascinates me, and perhaps I am barking up the wrong tree, but the possibility really thrills me. So I hope folks will chime in with stories. I think its important. I think it could help a lot of RVers. -Benton ------------------------- Moderator's note: Benton, I will respond to some of your posts in detail when I get more time, OK. They are good questions. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 12:11 am Subject: RE: Re: Quiet from the old viewers docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Benton, None of the original team of Army viewers has commented on this. NOw this could be because some of them were accused of harrassing Pru. And they to act in a gentlemanly manner... maybe. But also if this really is a government secret..then if they knew, they would be bound not to talk unless ordered to deliberately lie. So I don't look for them to step up to the plate here. And if they do I wouldn't go by what they say .. and I say that with no disrespect.. But that's how secrecy works in the government. You can read Lyn's book or Joes book. And that's how it worked when my dad worked for NSA. I never did find out what he did...he just said he couldn't tell unless he wanted 10 years in prison.right up until he died. Best Regards, Bill Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 9:30 am Subject: Re: Quiet from the old viewers stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 On a different list, someone suggested that people were being used as lab rats. Anyone have any theories about that? Were there experiments going on that the participants were unaware of? trypper > Bill Pendragon wrote: > None of the original team of Army viewers has > commented on this. NOw this could be because some of > them were accused of harrassing Pru. And they to act > in a gentlemanly manner... maybe. But also if this > really is a government secret..then if they knew, they > would be bound not to talk unless ordered to > deliberately lie. So I don't look for them to step up > to the plate here. And if they do I wouldn't go by > what they say .. and I say that with no disrespect.. > But that's how secrecy works in the government. Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 12:22 pm Subject: Re: Re: Quiet from the old viewers docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Mary, If you mean at Ft Meade..certainly.. according to Lyn's book and others.. the Intell people were constantly experimenting with them and trying to trick the process or see what could be done.. standard military operating procedures to use everyone as lab rats. Best Regards, Bill > Mary Stanley wrote: > On a different list, someone suggested that people were being > used as lab rats. Anyone have any theories about that? Were > there experiments going on that the participants were unaware of? Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 1:20 pm Subject: Re: Quiet from the old viewers stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Bill wrote: > If you mean at Ft Meade..certainly.. according to > Lyn's book and others.. the Intell people were > constantly experimenting with them and trying to trick > the process or see what could be done.. standard > military operating procedures to use everyone as lab > rats. Hi Bill, Actually, the conversation was between folks who were involved in Pru's group and discussing what happened at TDS. They refered to a larger overall program focusing on civilian remote viewing groups and they used the term "lab rats". One person seemed to think that some of her fairly recent assignments were of a disturbing nature and had something to do with the closure. What do you think? Are some of the remote viewing organizations part of a larger ongoing experiement of some kind as these folks seem to think? Mary --------------------------- Moderator's note: I feel like reaching for my tinfoil again. Would we ever know for sure if they were? How would we 'prove' this beyond RV? And is RV proof when it hasn't got feedback? Do you suppose targeting something super-secret -- something likely to have psi protection if such exists -- could generate that for anybody, or is TDS a special case? -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Sat Mar 15, 2003 4:08 am Subject: Re: Re: Quiet from the old viewers docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Mary, Is TDS doing something wrong with it's people? Seriously..NO.. not at all! All the groups experiment.And Pru's a scientist a trained and dedicated experimentalist although people don't realize it. I'm sure she constantly experiments. But I think that is good. From my weekend at TDS they seemed an exceptionally benign and well intentioned group.. I think the retasking is real.. I don't have any idea if the group has other financial issues or if the government was "stealing sessions"..but even accidental retasking would be enough reason to go stealth. I'm not putting up any of my sessions ....unless they are really good ones after feedback..G I thought Dames was deliberately missing big predictions to discredit RV..but PJ convinced me he was not? Now Pauls secret Mormon RV complex..I don't know..G Best Regards, Bill > Mary wrote: > What do you think? Are some of the remote viewing > organizations part of a larger ongoing experiement > of some kind > as these folks seem to think? Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Sat Mar 15, 2003 12:59 pm Subject: Re: Quiet from the old viewers stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 --- In pjrv...oups.com, Bill Pendragon Hi Mary, > > Is TDS doing something wrong with it's people? > Seriously..NO.. not at all! All the groups > experiment.And Pru's a scientist a trained and > dedicated experimentalist although people don't > realize it. I'm sure she constantly experiments. But I > think that is good. Hi Bill, I just wanted to clarify that I never asked nor did I intend to imply that TDS was "doing something wrong with it's people". I am interested though in whether the civilian remote viewing organizations might possibly be part of some larger ongoing experiment. Since the government is forbidden by law to experiment on civilians without their knowledge and consent, it would seem a logical step to sub the work out to civilian organizations that are not restricted by those laws. Anyway, I was just curious. Mary > > Mary wrote: > > What do you think? Are some of the remote viewing > > organizations part of a larger ongoing experiement > > of some kind > > as these folks seem to think? Reply | Forward

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From: Rocheleh Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 12:28 pm Subject: Re: Re: Quiet from the old viewers rochelehhakt... Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > stanley01420 wrote: > Since the government is forbidden by law to experiment on > civilians without their knowledge and consent, it would seem a > logical step to sub the work out to civilian organizations that are > not restricted by those laws. Huh? Civilian organizations in the US don't need to comply with informed consent regulations? Is that really so? It sounds weird to me, but after Homeland Security... Rachel (I'm going through 300-plus RV-related messages, so forgive me if something is already answered by someone - I missed it.) Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 7:10 am Subject: Re: Quiet from the old viewers stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Rachel wrote: > Civilian organizations in the US don't need to comply with informed > consent regulations? > Is that really so? It sounds weird to me, but after Homeland Security... Maybe you are right, Rachel, I'm just speculating. Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 10:48 am Subject: Re: Quiet from the old viewers stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Bill wrote: > All the groups > experiment.And Pru's a scientist a trained and > dedicated experimentalist although people don't > realize it. I'm sure she constantly experiments. But I > think that is good. Hi Bill, I've read (on a different list) that some of the people who worked for her never really had a good idea of what she was up to and even to some of those folks who worked for her it's not at all clear what has happened. Apparently some of them didn't consider it a very public operation. You are a scientist, Bill. What type of science do you specialize in? Maybe your scientific background gives you a better perspective on things. Mary Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 8:24 pm Subject: Re: Quiet from the old viewers k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > "stanley01420" I've read (on a different list) that some of the people who worked > for her never really had a good idea of what she was up to and > even to some of those folks who worked for her it's not at all > clear what has happened. Apparently some of them didn't > consider it a very public operation. Just out of curiosity, what list was that? I thought I was already on just about all of them, LOL! -E Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 6:57 am Subject: Re: Quiet from the old viewers stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Just out of curiosity, what list was that? I thought I was already > on just about all of them, LOL! Whispers Pru is on it sometimes and I believe Dawna reads it. ------------------------- Moderator's note: And the gossip you'd quoted sounds perfect for the list title, lol! -- I should talk. We've had wonderful gossip here lately (and more to come, I see in the messages waiting ;-)). -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 6:56 am Subject: Re: Quiet from the old viewers stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 --- In pjrv...oups.com, "stanley01420" > Moderator's note: And the gossip you'd quoted sounds perfect > for the list title, lol! It's a ufo board. Here is the url, check it out for yourself. http://www.junjun.com/cgi-bin/boards/whispers/config.pl? Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 11:33 am Subject: Re: Quiet from the old viewers k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 And the stated rumours were from Jeffrey McKann who has been out of TDS for about 4 years now. It's not surprising he has little idea what Pru is doing cuz he's way way out of the loop, LOL! -E > [re: TDS 'insiders' not being aware of Pru's essay detail/etc.] > --- In pjrv...oups.com, "stanley01420" Pru is on it sometimes and I believe Dawna reads it. Reply | Forward

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From: Richard Krankoski Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:07 pm Subject: Re: Re: Quiet from the old viewers Rich_crv Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Whispers is UFO oriented and has a companion called SHOUTS that is for all other subjects. RV often gets mentioned because of the inseparableness, joined at the hip connection between RV and UFOs/ETs. It has a great collection of believers and skeptics and some pretty smart science people. Rich Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 7:14 am Subject: Re: Quiet from the old viewers stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > --- In pjrv...oups.com, Richard Krankoski Whispers is UFO oriented and has a companion called SHOUTS that is > for all other subjects. RV often gets mentioned because of the > inseparableness, joined at the hip connection between RV and UFOs/ETs. > It has a great collection of believers and skeptics and some pretty > smart science people. It's a great list. Whispers and Shouts are my all time favorite lists. Reply | Forward

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From: "Linda & John Garvey" Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 1:48 pm Subject: Re: Re: The importance of RV info linda_g7us Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 >but if time is an >illusion, then it's really not all that impossible. >-E Yep. Not impossible at all. (And that IS a logical statement, is it not?) ;) >The 1001 "little >things" known by a psi researcher like May for example are just in the head >of >the people who were there. And they don't even write it down..? That is really a shame. >. . . these people may not be around forever, so anything that can be done >to pry info out of their heads before the >chance is lost is really >important in my opinion. PJ For sure. Linda G "The distinction between past, present and future is only an illusion, even if a stubborn one." -- Albert Einstein --

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