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From: aeonblueau8008... Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:34 pm Subject: Re: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's MentoIMO,. terri8008 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° > Moderator's note: She isn't implying she taught me by the way. She's > referring to the fact that she encountered me about a year after I got into > RV with Buchanan, so remembers my early days. Just fyi. -- PJ Heck no- not in any way shape or form didn't mean to imply it, you've always been a solo, bounced from Lyn to JoeM and stuck like glue. No one knew you.. you just materialized, then your mouth/mind did/cyber/amaze, and VWR was bourn. I've a question, in all your explorations and experiences, have you ever worked/had fun with a/n (old school) trained monitor in session(Atwater) ? (monitor trained by Skip) (Actually I don't know of any other monitor used in RV) (a monitor (now)seems quite passe) BTW!!!!!!!! I know I've missed a ton but very glad to read of Mel's upcoming posted interview :))) (I thought i'd missed it somehow-hope 'av it right) one of the very best (interesting) guys IMO. I'd have to say I was Mel fan, that fella has heart wraped around soul . . . . Elegance being human/human-being is how I'd classify it. viewer 001. ~T~ (Mel001.. not me forfriginchrisakes) pjrv : Messages : 2753-2881 of 4038
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From: Timelord2029... Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:37 am Subject: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor psitrooper24 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° Hi Fortune, I hear Bo's Trainer is David Morehouse Have youever heard Morehouse say similar stuff to his students? I only ask cause you know him well and have trained under him. I find it unreal that some xmill Rvers know about multitasking and others dont. Peace, tunde > Bo had posted on this list or one of other, he is on all the Rv and > freevent, rvers, lists i'm on. I dont remember which but I could find it, > that he knew of this retasking, ri ing public target session hijacking and > aLL from his mentor and told not to tell. And that he doesnt post his own > sessions anywhere,, or evenntalk about what's going on with his RV school > even when PJ asks to fill us in. So if secrecy we lose out > knowing what's up with rv places like sweden and Bo. Reply | Forward

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From: "bokindstrand" <031-7115905...om> Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 12:22 pm Subject: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor bokindstrand Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° All my mail to Stargate bounces. That's why I haven't been in the position to answer PJ: s question. To bad ahh! BTW--It's not that I have stopped posting sessions on the Internet but more correct is that I have never done it. And to my knowledge neither have Moorhouse. Probably for the same reason. :-) Neither of us recommends it and none of forgets to give this advice during the seminars. But now when Paul has said that this retasking and multitasking business is "bogus" I guess everybody should be satisfied with his expertise answer and drop it. Or should we not? Bo > > sessions anywhere,, or evenntalk about what's going on with his RV school > > even when PJ asks to fill us in. So if secrecy we lose out > > knowing what's up with rv places like sweden and Bo. Reply | Forward

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From: "intuitwolf" Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 5:37 pm Subject: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor intuitwolf Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° > --- In pjrv...oups.com, "bokindstrand" <031-7115905...rote: > All my mail to Stargate bounces. That's why I haven't been in the > position to answer PJ: s question. To bad ahh! Bo, if you have a problem you really should ask me about it. I'll go check it out. Shelia Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 5:26 pm Subject: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° How about if Paul, in order to convince us, posts a WHOLE BUNCH of his sessions on the net. That way we can test out the theory, hehehe. ;-) -E --- In pjrv...oups.com, "bokindstrand" <031-7115905...rote: > But now when Paul has said that this retasking and multitasking > business is "bogus" I guess everybody should be satisfied with > his expertise answer and drop it. Or should we not? > > Bo Reply | Forward

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From: "intuitwolf" Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 6:21 pm Subject: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor intuitwolf Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° > Eva wrote: > How about if Paul, in order to convince us, posts a WHOLE BUNCH of > his sessions on the net. That way we can test out the theory How many sessions would be a Whole Bunch? were they done double blind? does he have access to any that were? even the demos for TV are often not double blind even when you've requested that it be so. Who will do the double blind double tasking? Will they be blind to the original tasking? Will they judge the session against decoys? will they simply compare the session against a predetermined retask session? How would this be done in a way that made it a valid study? > > Bo wrote: > > But now when Paul has said that this retasking and multitasking > > business is "bogus" I guess everybody should be satisfied with > > his expertise answer and drop it. Or should we not? No, you should do whatever you think will make you happy. Paul says something and it translates into some kind of code language for 'drop it'? Only if that's what you wish to read into it. There are very few people in this field who defer to anyone's 'expertise' :-) No need to worry Bo. The beat goes on. Shelia Reply | Forward

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From: James Phillip Turpin Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 7:39 pm Subject: Re: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor james_p_turpin Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° On the one side, you want to protect your own ability to do RV. On the other side, you want to convince skeptics that RV is real. The way to do both of these is to post sessions or do public sessions _only_ if you are convinced that you (or the particular viewer in question) is virtually invulnerable to retasking, using the methods and protocols in question. This is to convince skeptics. And the rest of us can RV in private, where we will be more successful. I think that it just makes sense that different people will be affected differently, and that is my stance until proven otherwise with scientific rigor. > retasking and multitasking business Reply | Forward

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:01 am Subject: Re: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° Aloha Bo, > BTW--It's not that I have stopped posting sessions on the > Internet but more correct is that I have never done it. And to my > knowledge neither have Moorhouse. Probably for the same > reason. :-) Well this strikes me as a very convenient theory...I think all the teachers should adopt this one...and then we will never know if they can RV or not!...I do remember how they hate to be asked to show any work...ummm I think that little glaring fact...was part of the inspiration for Farview and PJ when she posted her sessions for us and incouraged us to post ours...I thought then... that both were excellant ideas....as I still do now...Come on Bo...Prove it!...Superstition just ain't gonna get it...hahah Hey...I think I will open my own school and ...hold on...I am having a flash back...It's coming....I was in the military...on man ...yeah...secret unit... Wow.... yeah...it's clear now...I am a reincarnation of one of the witches at ...was it Grillflame?...hahah Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 2:46 pm Subject: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° > Dawna wrote: > Well this strikes me as a very convenient theory...I think all the > teachers should adopt this one...and then we will never know if > they can RV or not!...I do remember how they hate to be asked > to show any work...ummm Well actually, they never did post sessions so it's not like this theory has made a difference in that regard. But even if they did, that doesn't prove or disprove they can view. Anyone who does 500 sessions will have some that are really good. It doesn't mean much. However, sessions are interesting as an educational tool. > I think that little glaring fact...was part of the inspiration for > Farview and Actually, when I started FARVIEW it was because Stargate was supposedly going to be closed. Then when that was reconsidered, I figured at least it would be cool to have a list with lower volume and more on topic posts for those who didn't have time for the high volume of Stargate. The target thing was a bit later and I was a bit hesitant about it because I knew that Maddog rv already did targets. Sometimes you just fall into things, LOL! Anyway, it seems to me that people are free to get together in private groups and still do targets. It might be more relaxing if only people who actually post the sessions were in a the group anyway and that would mean the group would be small indeed! -E Reply | Forward

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From: "bokindstrand" <031-7115905...om> Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 3:34 pm Subject: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor bokindstrand Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° Hi, The only important ting is not if we can "RV" or not, but if we can teach y o u to do it. Back in the sixties game. And that guy was a terrible player! It is two different things. What you want to see is something that convinces you and that's understandable. Bo > Weatherly-Hawaii...ote: > Well this strikes me as a very convenient theory...I think all the > teachers should adopt this one...and then we will never know if > they can RV or not!...I do remember how they hate to be asked to > show any work...ummm Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:17 pm Subject: Re: The beat goes on - k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° That's very true. The best trainers are not always the best players in any sport. SOme people are great at doing it, but terrible at analyzing how they do it and translating it patiently and repeatedly into something that someone else can understand and do themselves. It takes a special personality, mindset, and dedication that not everyone has. -E Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 2:30 pm Subject: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° Well, as I think I've mentioned, in order to do demos, one can always do a whole bunch of private sessions at home on the target long before ever showing up at the filming. The filmed 'session' could merely be a summary of what you already figured out. -E --- In pjrv...oups.com, James Phillip Turpin both of these is to post sessions or do public sessions > _only_ if you are convinced that you (or the particular viewer in > question) is virtually invulnerable to retasking, > using the methods and > protocols in question. This is to convince skeptics. Reply | Forward

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From: TaraMori... Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 12:37 pm Subject: Re: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor TaraMori... Send Email Send Email > Bo wrote: > The only important ting is not if we can "RV" or not, but if we can > teach y o u to do it. That only makes sense if rv is NOT something anyone can learn. .. Some say anyone can, but if you can't and still teach it, you must have deduced that you can teach those who possess some inate talent even if you don't have it yourself... So I was wondering 1.what percentage of your students have the talent? 2. How can you tell within a short time so they don't waste money, time and effort? 3. How long was it before you figured out you couldn't do it, but knew it well enough to teach it anyway and 4. What convinced you it worked at all if you couldn't do it yourself? I'd love to ask you why you would bother teaching something you couldn't do yourself, but I won't. Answer if you like. Tamra Reply | Forward

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From: James Phillip Turpin Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 7:32 pm Subject: Re: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor james_p_turpin Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° But there's also the converse situation, which is that just because somebody can do RV does not mean they can teach it. I've met some of the best physicists in the world, and they are not good at teaching physics. I expect the same is true of RV. Often times somebody who found it a struggle to learn a particular subject may be better at teaching it than somebody who was talented enough to pick it up 'instantly'. So although I wouldn't want an instructor who couldn't RV at all, I can understand why trainers might think that their own RV ability is not at issue. It could be counterproductive if people started choosing instructors on the basis of RV skill, rather than teaching ability. Merlin never had an apprentice. - James ------------------------- Moderator's note: Good point. In fact many of the most skilled persons at all kinds of things in the world are the most difficult to deal with as personalities -- many would be terrible teachers. Yet those who "teach instead of do" often influence and lay groundwork for the people who go out and become the new wonders of their generation. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:20 pm Subject: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° I'm not sure if Bo was trying to say that he personally couldn't rv. Although I do agree those are good questions. However, it's probably an issue of degree as well. I suspect that most if not all trainers 'can' rv. The question is how WELL they can rv, LOL! -E Reply | Forward

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From: "bokindstrand" <031-7115905...om> Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:05 am Subject: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor bokindstrand Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° Well, I had ample opportunities to learn the trade of CRV from my first teacher in CRV: Moorehouse. Moorehouse is apart from his RV abilities is a very good teacher. Probably some sort of a natural talent in this regard. As I arranged about 35-40 of his CRV seminars during the years, you can at the same say that I have been through 35-40 Moorehose seminars. A very special situation that is very difficult to reproduce and I can assure you, it sticks.... Bo I'm not sure if Bo was trying to say that he personally couldn't rv. > Although I do agree those are good questions. However, it's probably > an issue of degree as well. I suspect that most if not all > trainers 'can' rv. The question is how WELL they can rv, LOL! > -E Reply | Forward

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From: "bokindstrand" <031-7115905...om> Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 9:55 am Subject: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor bokindstrand Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° TaraMori...ote: > > Bo wrote: > > The only important ting is not if we can "RV" or not, but if we can > > teach y o u to do it. > > 1.what percentage of your students have the talent? Everybody can do it but I would say that about one or two in a hundred is an exceptional talent. I have had more than 300 individuals that has been through m Phase I in the CRV Class since March 2001. Before that we saw about 450 people that was churned out during the period when Moorehouse was teaching. > 2. How can you tell within a short time so they don't waste money, time and > effort? I had one or two in those three hundred that was "a waste of time." They are as rare as the exceptional! It takes one single day to find out. About the same figures in the "Mooorehouse" period. I practice a 100 % money back guarantee. If you after the weekend seminar is of the opinion that you have´t learnt to do CRV Stages I-IV you are entitled to a full refund. > 3. How long was it before you figured out you couldn't do it, but knew it > well enough to teach it anyway and I can do it! I am a fairly good CRV:er and a good Extended Remote Viewer compared with the best. Apart from this I am an excellent Monitor (both CRV and ERV). I didn't say I couldn't do it just that it is not the main point. > 4. What convinced you it worked at all if you couldn't do it yourself? See answer above. What makes you draw this erroneous conclusion? "Answer if you like." Bo > I'd love to ask you why you would bother teaching something you couldn't do > yourself, but I won't. Answer if you like. > Tamra Reply | Forward

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From: TaraMori... Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 6:01 am Subject: Re: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor TaraMori... Send Email Send Email In a message dated 3/23/03 7:51:46 PM Central Standard Time, turpin...ltech.edu writes: > Often times somebody > who found it a struggle to learn a particular subject may be better at > teaching it than somebody who was talented enough to pick it up > 'instantly' Excellent point, James. Tamra [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: TaraMori... Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:58 am Subject: Re: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor TaraMori... Send Email Send Email > Bo wrote: > See answer above. What makes you draw this erroneous > conclusion? "Answer if you like." :) thanks Bo. Truth is, I figured you could do it, but given what you said, pondered the 'if' and asked the questions. Thanks for answering. I also liked the other answer about exceptional teachers who learned a lot from excessive training (or whatever it said) even if they never did get good at it and ones who excel at rving, but would never make great teachers. It was a good point. best, Tamra Reply | Forward

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From: aeonblueau8008... Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 2:50 pm Subject: Re: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor terri8008 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° In a message dated 3/23/2003 8:51:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, turpin...ltech.edu writes: > But there's also the converse situation, which is that just because > somebody can do RV does not mean they can teach it. Well, I'm a fairly decent (E)RV'er.. but it's when I when I went to teaching, that's when the whole deal(skill) really pulled together for me, like a coming full circle, so I suppose it was meant to be.. Teaching requires that you pull up anything and everything you have ever encountered or experienced (or read) and dealing with it. But I expect you have to genuinely "know" it first hand (and be able to interpret, apply, utilize it). I've taught some really really good viewers . . Glyn on this list is awesome, one of the best, flat ass great, I would task(tweak-re-task) her just so, as to pull the truth, actuality. Vania is awesome. Karl is excellent when he inflicts self discipline. Same goes for Mary. Bevy was marvelous, an jus so much fun. I remember when PJ started.. I remember when Eva started.. the very best was/is a fella F.V. This guy has gone over to HRVG. I hope they know what they have. (he came to me for a clean-up, shape up, several folks did, after too many tutors or quote unquote teachers) I'm gonna add one of the worst viewers I've ever encountered is on the IRVA... all the best, Terri~~* (my sessions are posted all over the place) ------------------------------- Moderator's note: She isn't implying she taught me by the way. She's referring to the fact that she encountered me about a year after I got into RV with Buchanan, so remembers my early days. Just fyi. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:36 am Subject: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° > Moderator's note: She isn't implying she taught me by the way. > She's referring to the fact that she encountered me about a year > after I got into RV with Buchanan, so remembers my early days. > Just fyi. -- PJ Ditto for me and most likely Bevy also, seeing as how Bevy was taught by a Russian woman and her system is often referred to as psychometry. -E -------------------------- Moderator's note: Psychometry is a standard term in parapsychology. It refers specifically to the ability to touch an object for example and tell about its past, or who's had it in its past, or other information related to it. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 12:48 pm Subject: Re: Re: Bevy's method docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° Hi Eva, Just to clarify, Bevy did her form of remote viewing as well as psychometry. Her method was just to start writing EVERYTHING that came to her about the target without thinking,editing or altering . Not really structured at all like CRV. But she could really make it work! She did the same with psychometry..but would touch the object for her "tasking". Best Regards, Bill Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 1:23 pm Subject: Re: Re: Terri and Bevy docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° Hi Terri, When you included Bevy in your list..do you mean you taught her ERV??.. As a rule she never did ERV..preferred not to use any trance levels..although IMO.. she could alter her brain waves at will. Best Regards, Bill > --- aeonblueau8008... wrote: > I've taught some really really good viewers . . > Bevy was marvelous, an jus so much fun. Reply | Forward

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From: aeonblueau8008... Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 1:58 pm Subject: Re: Re: Terri and Bevy terri8008 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° No Bill, Bevy was just Bevy, an old timer origional/natural, a gifted gal (a kick in the pants)(did ya know she had blonde hair at one time :))))), yeah she always worked in C1 no altered states. I worked with a lot of folks who worked "whatever" RV which is what she called what she did.. at the time. (She wasn't fond of working totally blind but she said I tuned her up on coordinate tasking). Some(folks) I taught, some I tutored or coached or helped/cleaned up their act a bit. There use to be some fantastic sessions on Innerlight and when I had the PSI-MATRIX list, with some structure worked in(from tasker) and discipline,well, basically demanded. When RVer's start getting or going ..self cueing/re-task, aol drive et. and reporting loike this and like that(painting that Monet), I watch sessions go down the toilet and promising viewers or talent go helterskelter to frustration all over the place, wanderlust.. The very very best I've ever ever seen came to me off Innerlight. Never heard of this person before. I had worked a pay target rush rush, outcome was meant to be in a book an all that, hush hush, but I got permission to "borrow" the target, and task it. Thing is there was a sub task in what I worked and I didn't know if my 'tasking', well ... would be clean. It was, clean, for absolutely everybody that worked it except for this gal, she friggin blew me away, got right thru me and worked sessions on my original tasking. Oy had me hands full getting her not to submit her session to Innerlight 180 degrees off everyone else's, but friggin spot on even down to describing the origional taskers... she was downright scary :) I really should have kept in touch, I've never come across anyone like that before .... ~T~ > When you included Bevy in your list..do you mean you > taught her ERV??.. As a rule she never did > ERV..preferred not to use any trance > levels..although IMO.. she could alter her brain waves > at will. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: aeonblueau8008... Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 3:38 pm Subject: Re: Re: The beat goes on - Bo's Mentor terri8008 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360° Invite to Yahoo! 360° > Bo wrote > I am a fairly good CRV:er and a good Extended > Remote Viewer compared with the best. Who's the best in your opinion? Any personal sessions posted somewhere? Old web sites or list archives somewhere (like the rest of us)? I cornered my "teacher" with a set of trip blind cords one time, I was the ("practicing") monitor. He nailed it, but then fell asleep for a half hour (ERV). Years later, I did post the session public. My teacher was Moorehouse's (ERV) monitor in the unit.. all the best, Terri ~~*

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