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pjrv : Messages : 2663-2672 of 4038
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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 5:57 am Subject: Testing that theory ozblueriver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 PJ, I couldn't wait until the weekend. I wasn't sure how we are supposed to re-task something so I asked someone to give me a target and I got out one of my old sessions at random and applied it to the new target. Here is what happened: Original Target was a photo of the Andromeda Galaxy. It looked like an oval of dark space filled with points of lights. Re-tasked for one of our local monuments that resembles an obelisk, is surrounded by a chain fence, is high on a hill backed by shrubs and trees overlooking our town. Using Pru's method for the original session: SCAN 1 B:man made metal C: cold sharp edges horizontally aligned severe torture tall and thin metal structure chain jagged horizon alloy broken sharp points scissors/razor SCAN 2 A: peaked B: hard C: broken shifted jagged triangles (lots of) disfigure high a light on manure smell hydrogen/gas pneumatic AOL solid heavy water SCAN 3 curves poles structure incense light green soft tepid ovoid sensual sentient being fixed spacious innovative rounded swing loose favourable As you can see there seems to be quite a few good descriptions of the new target (the monument). And if that session, which was posted on Pru's site, has been assigned yet another target by unknown persons it gives me a great excuse as to why it stunk in the first place. LOL cheers Liz -------------------------- Moderator's note: LOL. Well you see, that is what some are afraid of, that this concept of retasking is somehow an "excuse" for bad sessions, e.g., "Well if it was retasked, that explains how that data ended up in there!" That is not really the slant Calabrese was taken. The few experiments I've done so far, the matching was actually better with good sessions than with bad sessions, which kills the "just an excuse" theory. On the other hand, I still maintain that there may be other explanations for this than retrocausal quantum effects on the session/viewer. Mundane things. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 10:22 pm Subject: Re: Testing that theory k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 I retasked/reanalyzed one session with a new target of 'this piece of salami and cheese in my hand.' At the time, I was eating a snack. Well the restasked session had buttery, soft, etc in it. It was hilarious really. For my experiments, I have started using a lot of weird unusual and simple targets to retask with so that the impressions are harder to write off if they match. Another good one to use has been something like a hurricane which has strong but simple dynamics. I have also done my best to retask with targets that seem very opposite of each other. I do agree there is a danger of this becoming an excuse. But I think if you don't post your sessions and you know you didn't retask them, then that eliminates all of the excuses you can get out of it. Since most people don't post many of their sessions, I think the excuse mileage is rather weak. Siderial time, mood swings, noisy neighbors, lack of time, bad tasking, TO, and other excuses seem to cover a lot more ground if you ask me! ;-) -E pjrv : Messages : 2687-2801 of 4038
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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:19 am Subject: Re: Re: Testing that theory ozblueriver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi E, I don't need re-tasking as an excuse for a bad session. I've perfected bad sessions and would rather not have anyone else take the credit for that. LOL cheers Liz > I do agree there is a danger of this becoming an excuse. But I think > if you don't post your sessions and you know you didn't retask them, > then that eliminates all of the excuses you can get out of it. Since > most people don't post many of their sessions, I think the excuse > mileage is rather weak. Siderial time, mood swings, noisy neighbors, > lack of time, bad tasking, TO, and other excuses seem to cover a lot > more ground if you ask me! ;-) -E Reply | Forward

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From: Richard Krankoski Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 8:55 pm Subject: Re: Re: Testing that theory Rich_crv Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Eva wrote: > I retasked/reanalyzed one session with a new target of 'this piece of > salami and cheese in my hand.' At the time, I was eating a snack. > Well the restasked session had buttery, soft, etc in it. It was > hilarious really. Maybe there is an opportunity here. How about creating a CD with 500 or so sessions on it then task a target and randomly select one of the sessions. Nice parlor game? :) Rich ---------------------- Moderator's note: Yeah, you know what it reminds me of? Opening a book at random to find an 'answer' to any question. :-) Is it PK? Is it 'guidance'? Or is it the amazing ability of our minds to 'allegorize' (as I say) nearly any info into the form we wish? Do you suppose I'm influencing the dudes who wrote the torah if I do this with the old testament? ;-) PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Sat Mar 15, 2003 1:49 am Subject: Re: Testing that theory k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 It's funny you mentioned that. I was thinking about this whole in relation to the Bible and the search for a BIble code. It made me wonder if all the analysis might have somehow influenced the writing and many revisions of the Bible over time as if the Bible were one big huge session. There was the original subject matter but what exact sentences and translations were used over time probably had a fair amount of leeway. It's a strange way of thinking about it. If you try to expand the theory into the world around you, it's starts to get really bizarre. -E > Moderator's note: Yeah, you know what it reminds me of? Opening a > book at random to find an 'answer' to any question. :-) Is it PK? > Is it 'guidance'? Or is it the amazing ability of our minds > to 'allegorize' (as I say) nearly any info into the form we wish? Do > you suppose I'm influencing the dudes who wrote the torah if I do > this with the old testament? ;-) PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Sat Mar 15, 2003 1:58 pm Subject: Re: Re: Testing that theory docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Eva, It's been an old metaphysical tradition.. if you want an answer to something.. open some inspired writing randomly. But think of all the millions who must have done that with the bible..your retasking would be greatly diluted by now.. perhaps a collection of less know mystical writers... or then do we get to something like Tarot, I ching, ?? > It made me wonder if all the analysis might have somehow > influenced the writing and many revisions of the Bible over > time as if the Bible were one big huge session. There was > the original subject matter but what > exact sentences and translations were used over time > probably had a fair amount of leeway. It's a strange way of > thinking about it. If you try to expand the theory into the > world around you, it's starts to get really bizarre. -E ------------------------- Moderator's note: It is only an assumption that retasking would 'dilute', I think?, although that might bear out in study. But what if instead, every time someone focused on a work of written materials, they were contributing energy to it in some regard? What we might get out of the bible or such works then would be (a) a massively powerful work and (b) a work which holds within it infinite wisdom. As if every question ever asked of it throughout time, the answer is within. Tarot and I-Ching are surely at least as well known than the bible, being much older and more diversely spread in heavily populated areas (e.g., asias and indias) wouldn't you think. The difference is both Tarot and I-Ching are frameworks to hang intuition upon; whereas the use of the bible is usually considered fairly literal. Which is of course the reason we have about a million 'denominations' of Christianity -- apparently, no matter how LITERAL the text of that session -- er, writing -- might be, everybody finds their own answers in it. :-) PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Rocheleh Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 12:34 pm Subject: Re: Re: Testing that theory rochelehhakt... Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Opening a book at random to find an 'answer' to any > question. :-) Is it PK? Is it 'guidance'? Or is it the amazing > ability of our minds to 'allegorize' (as I say) nearly any info into > the form we wish? Do you suppose I'm influencing the dudes who wrote > the torah if I do this with the old testament? ;-) PJ Wait-- (not again! One of my more frequently-used phrases. :) ) If you say that it is only allegorizing, then why shouldn't one do sessions in public? I see those statements contradict each other. Or is it only being safe in case it's not 100% allegorizing? Rachel Reply | Forward

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 11:38 pm Subject: Re: Re: Testing that theory maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Don't forget the bible went through several language changes (badly interpreted)...before it landed in English...and got changed some more... Can we understand Arabic/Greek/Hebrew... during RV...if we don't know how in real life?...Is it necessary to be able to read it ...to change it? > Eva wrote: I was thinking about this whole in > relation to the Bible and the search for a BIble code. Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 5:29 pm Subject: Re: Testing that theory k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 IF you are asking if it's necessary to know what you are doing in order to do it, I would guess that not always. -E > Can we understand Arabic/Greek/Hebrew... during RV... > if we don't know how > in real life?...Is it necessary to be able to read it > ...to change it? Reply | Forward

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From: "Nita Hickok" Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 12:31 pm Subject: Re: Re: Testing that theory nitahickok Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hello Fortune You are to me. I perceive a information stream when we have moments of dealing with information from other dimensions, or whatever you want to call it. I think the more the mind is trained then the more layers of information we can access where it isn't a big puzzle to be figured out. We never really know it for sure but once we accept that we need to work at it to access all of the information it becomes easier. Nita > in a sense we can't expect we ever reaLLY "KNOW" it. Am I making the > least bit of sense here?

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