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#1854

From: "Tree ." Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 1:23 pm Subject: Re: Synesthesia busywait Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi everyone ~ Coming out of newbie lurkdom to ask if anyone on the list has encountered a remonte viewer with synesthesia, and if that helps or hinders the RV process? I have it and wonder if it will skew or help my results. Synesthesia is a neurological condition in which senses overlap. My form involves letters and colors(and textures). Some folks have sound/color synesthesia. For example, I can remember peoples names by how I "perceive" their name. PJ for instance, feels to me like the colors orange and yellow twined together and has a rubbery texture. I know it sounds crazy and I'm not explaining it very well, here's a link to a more coherent one: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/hstories/hr080796.htm I'm enjoying the conversations on the list very much, and am learning a lot! Thanks for listening. Best Regards, Tree Reply | Forward

#1856

From: "PJ Gaenir " Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 7:20 pm Subject: Re: Synesthesia dennanm Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hi Tree, Actually some viewers have commented that they get mild synasthesia effects in viewing - when they don't have them otherwise. It really does appear to me that everything's energy and it's merely how we interpret it -- and we could interpret it really in ANY way; it is our culture that usually teaches us to interpret something in the way we do. Perhaps in some other reality, there is all the same information, but it's perceived through different senses, wouldn't that be odd! Alice in Wonderland. I have gotten flecks of synasthesia but not in session. For example, due to a powerful dream once I sort of grafted on the numbers two and eight and the color red, to the point where I so associated them that I might communicate one instead of the other I was intending, or perceive one instead of the one that really came to me. Prior to that, I often had problems with association/interpretion of the letter R and the number 8 (which this could be said to relate to shape, B would match better, so I don't think that's it). I also had a lot of experiences of a language that was in "internal geometries" is the only way to put it, and this had side effects where I could "feel" what a shape 'meant' or in fact, 'feel' almost anything as something different (e.g. if I'd asked myself, 'what color is he?' I could have easily gotten an answer from myself, but could have done it with ANY sense). As part of that (I think), I also often 'felt' the shape of 'language' - as if sound was a shape, and meaning had a shape like that geometric language, but alas, english did NOT at all well match its shape-sounds to its shape-meanings. I think much of RV is an abstract process that could very well spark synasthesia, since one is getting the energy of something and 'translating' in a way different than we've been practicing since birth, for the most part. I would suspect that as long as your RV process understood it (e.g., yellow and orange and rubbery in a session would likely lead an analyst to look for yellow and orange and rubbery, and it might not be there!), it might have some rather offbeat but interesting advantages... Especially if you could try and "deliberately" use it and even expand it. Regards, PJ Reply | Forward

#1857

From: "PJ Gaenir " Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 7:36 pm Subject: Re: Synesthesia dennanm Offline Offline Send Email Send Email OK after sending that my brain kept working.... You know what? I think maybe synesthesia is actually a HUGE part of remote viewing -- Not ordinary, "consistent" synesthesia in people who know they have it, but rather, INconsistent synesthesia in people who are learning to translate 'energy' into 'things/concepts'. Maybe when I repeatedly get 'red' in a target that doesn't have it, which otherwise has very good target contact, it is that I am wrongly translating an energy which might actually be something else, for whatever reason my brain is 'grafting onto red', some association, god only knows what. We've talked here about "symbolic" data. E.g., maybe for some people, a waterfall is represented by a starburst, or something like that which seems to have no relation at all to the actual 'thing', and only by repetition w/feedback does one learn what one's personal symbols are. (This doesn't start on the REALLY symbolic data, like the mini-movies or such.) Maybe such 'symbolic data' is more accurately referred to as a form of synesthesia. For that person, *fairly consistently* (at least for awhile, or for some viewers, in some cases!), whenever they perceive X, it feels like Y to them. I believe that it's never really just sensories; I believe it's a CONCEPT association that simply often is known as sensories. For example Tree you might perceive a color or texture for a certain name or person; but I imagine it's just as possible that one could perceive something else -- say, "depth" or "apprehension" or something -- for a given thing, just depending on the person. I'm thinking all the sudden that maybe, in reality, the issue of synesthesia is HIGHLY central to remote viewing as a process. That it might tie very strongly into our issues with data, accuracy, symbology, etc. PJ Reply | Forward

#1858

From: "Eva " Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:11 pm Subject: Re: Synesthesia k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 I think of ideograms as learned synesthesia. You are teaching yourself to associate certain feelings to a lead marking. It's kinda weird when you think about. (what I mean is slightly weirder than the rest of it..) -E Reply | Forward

#1865

From: "Tree ." Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 11:44 am Subject: Re: Synesthesia busywait Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi all ~ Thanks for the insightful comments on synesthesia, I was alternating between worrying if it would hinder or help, although Don is right, I have learned to work around it. In a way, it actually acts as a mnemonic device. I use it to recall events, people and places. (helps a bit when you're studying for finals!) Now that I'm thinking of it, I don't get the same synesthetic 'feel' for things named the same. For example, one woman named Jane could be percieved differently than another Jane. So for now, I'm just trying to keep an empty head and not get any preconcieved blocks. I'm reading Mr. McMoneagle's book and learning quite a lot from you folks. Thanks for listening! Brgds, Tree Reply | Forward

#1878

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 5:01 pm Subject: Re: Re: Synesthesia docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Tree, I've heard both Liam and Lyn emphasize that they received their most important input by FEELING things that normally one saw or heard or simply understood.. so this seems like synthesia to me is desirable trait to me .. Bill* Reply | Forward

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From: jsentient... Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 11:02 am Subject: Re: Re: Synesthesia jsentient Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Tree, I have wondered about synesthesia in relation to rv myself. Unfortunately, I have no answer, no theories. I experience synesthesia in normal everyday consciousness (mostly numbers to colors and vis versa). It wasn't until adulthood that I realized this was unique. I have not yet experienced synesthesia that I know of -- in my remote viewing perception. Nonetheless, it has occurred to me, synesthesia could offer a clue toward uderstanding rv. Because you mentioned it on this list, I felt perhaps I should post / share that I am synethesic and also a successful rv'r,,,,,for whatever that's worth. I am also a (not so good) violinist and an amateur artist. I understand there are studies that indicate associations between these skills/tendancies and rv. The thought I have is that it is the creative instinct in general that may be key. It seems to me synethesia would be adaptive / supportive of creativity. The discussion of symbols, analogy, allegory, and metaphor seem along the same line of inquiry to me, and perhaps even more promising/interesting. Maybe we are asking what is the role of association, representation, or abstraction. Hmmm, a little off track, but I'll mention it, , , , ,I believe Joe M once said or wrote that he felt the number one thing that serves to produce (or be a common denominator in) rv skill is a troubled or traumatic childhood. I could be mistaken in that, but in any event, I don't recall that he elaborated. And I can't imagine a connection, or more specifically, why that would be true, (however if so, I qualify in that count as well). Well anyway, your question -- synesthesia -- was a great question indeed. My short response: You are not alone. Good luck to you,,,,,especially in viewing. J Reply | Forward

#1863

From: greenmn900... Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 10:57 am Subject: Re: Synesthesia greenmn900... Send Email Send Email Tree. Synesthesia is completely new to me. I recall having heard of it before, but I didn't realize what it was. Given that it involves how one processes perceptions, it COULD have an effect on RV performance. But it could be that it may just help instead of hindering. A big part of RV is learning to interpret your symbology and also translating the exact meaning of very quick, fleeting impressions that may be a combination of visual, auditory, and associated feelings hitting you very briefly but all at once. It sounds like synesthesia has forced you to learn to do that already, in a way. So, you could have a head start on the average person. Who knows? That's about all I can offer. I'd suggest asking someone to make some targets for you and giving it a try. Good luck. Best Regards, Don Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 12:27 am Subject: Re: Synesthesia k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 I wouldnt' expect it to be any serious hinderance, that's for sure. Everyone has to explore how their mind works as they learn rv and for everyone that is a slightly diff process anyway. Someone with synethesia may just have an added aspect of themselves to observe and integrate into the process as they learn. -E

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