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#1631

From: greenmn900... Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 10:33 am Subject: Re: Symbology greenmn900... Send Email Send Email Karl, I basically agree with you, except I think that what we are working on, or should be, is to get a better system of communication going between the SC and the conscious. And, as you seem to think, it should go both ways. We know that the SC comunicates in a variety of ways and there's no predicting what form the communication may take in any RV session. It could be via any of the normal sense pathways or it could be in the form of emotional, aesthetic, or conceptual clues. It can then also be coupled with symbols, where it seems that the SC is using a kind of shorthand to deliver the information. Learning to understand your own personal symbology is just one of the ways of facilitating the communication, and training the conscious mind to understand the language of the SC, IMO. Best regards, Don Reply | Forward

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From: "David Humphries" Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 9:26 pm Subject: Re: Symbology a_healey56 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > There was a thread here recently about developing > artistic talent in hopes of improving RV ability. > That makes much more sense to me, because art seems > to me to be more closely connected to the > subconscious and seems to be a way to train the > waking mind to speak the language of the > subconscious, rather than the other way around. I can cite a couple of personal experiences that would concur with what you're saying here regarding art, although I wouldn't limit it to art alone. I think it actually applies to all situations across the spectrum of life's experiences. Granted, for me the jury is still out on just what the subconscious actually is, how it works, if and how RV data is delivered through it, etc. Nevertheless, even without knowing all of the answers to my satisfaction, I've referred to the SC quite a few times to my friends regarding art. I do artwork for a living, and I've been a drummer in bands for a long time, and still play a little here and there now. I own my own business, and I've repeatedly told people that some of the best designs I've ever done were when I had impossibly short deadlines to meet, and too many other duties to take care of to find the time needed to do the artwork. Some of the jobs I've done under these circumstances have been some of the best I've done, and I've always attributed it to the "fact" that since I was too busy and didn't have the proper amount of time to complete the artwork, that my SC took over for me, not leaving my conscious mind much freedom to be in charge and foul things up, or to dwell on or fuss over things too much. A good portion of the overall time spent on a designer's design is in the conceptual stages, and that's what would just fly by so quickly. Even the mechanical end of the job - illustration, color separation, etc. - would go much faster and flow smoother due to having a more "inspired" design to work on. As for music, the times when we were all having lots of fun and weren't stressed out are the times we gave our best performances. On our first night playing at Disneyland we were stiff and mechanical, even though we prepared all day long. The next night we were really under the gun. We barely had enough time to tune up and do mic-checks before we had to start, and we played great from the get-go. Writing this has made think that maybe I should be as loose as possible and try to have a lot of fun while RVing. I think that the cooldown is good for loosening up anyway, but I've never had the idea of having "fun" while RVing. It's something for me to consider. Dave P.S. A third thing that just happened a couple of weeks ago just came to mind as I was finishing this email. I'm a typical typist who hasn't been properly trained, but have moved a little beyond "hunting and pecking" due to the time spent on the computer. I'm still a slouch compared to PJ :-) , and I still make lots of typos. But one night a couple of weeks ago I had an appointment I had to leave for, and I had to finish an email before I could leave, and there was someone at my house pressing me to finish. I noticed all of the sudden that I wasn't thinking of typing, I was just doing it, and I was doing it with zero errors and very fast. But when I became aware of it, it's like I was knocked out of some state of mind, and I went back to my normal error-ridden, slow typing. It's like getting a sudden visual during a prolonged meditation when you're still a novice - when you notice its there, it startles you and you don't remember it. Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:08 am Subject: Re: Symbology k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > David H. wrote: > noticed all of the sudden that I wasn't > thinking of typing, I was just doing > it, and I was doing it with zero errors > and very fast. But when I became > aware of it, it's like I was knocked out > of some state of mind, and I went > back to my normal error-ridden, slow typing. This reminds me of an event that occured when I was back in college. In those days, I was clueless about OBEs, RV, or any of that kind of thing. It was a few weeks before finals and somehow all the assignments in the universe were due on that week. It was the most stressful week of my whole college career. And of course my typewriter died and my roommate's printer was out of ink and I couldn't find a replacement cartridge. It was thursday. My brain was completely toast but all I had left was on little stupid 3 page paper and a test to study for on friday. ON a normal day, I would have finished that paper in an hour or two. But I was at another friend's house typing on a strange computer (in those days, computers weren't as standardized as they are now), and my brain was toast. After an hour, I had only one page done. I couldn't even tell if it was any good. I kept stopping and yakking with my friend and I couldn't gather a game plan for the paper. I went back and forth between talking and typing. That didn't help my concentration obviously but I just couldn't concentrate on anything. After a while, somehow I got so confused that I was both talking to my friend and typing at the same time. I was yakking away and my friend had a really bemused looked on his face. Finally, I realized that I was typing and the shock of it made me stop. I looked and found that I had typed about one and a half paragraphs. THose sentences were about as perfect as my writing gets and not one single typo either. Somehow, I had been saying one thing and typing another, with little conscious memory or either. At the time, although I was surprised, I was at the utmost just glad for one more paragraph that was totally done. But later, I realized how bizarre it was. I could only conclude that my subconscious had typed it and that meant my subconscious must be much smarter than I had previously thought. I also noticed how many weird things can occur under deep sleep deprivation. I wonder if it's just because the conscious mind was completely pummeled into submission and could no longer properly overrule the subconscious and tell it what it was 'supposed' to do. -E Reply | Forward

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 3:16 pm Subject: Re: Symbology maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aloha Dave, I choose to see it as fun...but then I have a broad range for judging fun......I think learning new stuff is fun...One of the stargate Originals gets a bit irritated when we say it is fun... I think they interpret 'fun' as something not serious or surface...and ignorant...but when I saw it as a serious ordeal...it was...and gave me headaches... and so then I chose it as 'fun' ...and it became much easier to allow the data to flow in/be recognized by my viewing self...and gave me more of a sense of fulfillment...accomplishment...plus a few insights occasionally...and also made it OK to be wrong...RV/Psi becomes pain free when it is viewed as fun (responsible fun) rather than an ordeal to get through... I thought math was great fun as a teenager...and science (to this day) as well...hahah There is a joy in finding the answer...and even more so when it is spot on... Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna pjrv : Messages : 1624-1708 of 4038
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#1624

From: Karl Boyken Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 9:42 am Subject: Symbology kboyken Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 I may be beating a dead horse, but when I read the posts about symbology, I have a completely different point of view on this. It seems to me that the underlying assumption is that the subconscious is there to be at the service of the rational, waking- consciousness mind. Another, perhaps deeper assumption seems to be that the conscious, rational mind is the touchstone of significance and meaning. These assumptions seem backward to me. In my experience, the subconscious is much closer to the realm of meaning and significance than is the conscious rational mind. Meaning often cannot be adequately expressed in linear, rational terms. The rational mind may be able to train the subconscious to give it what it wants, but do we risk losing something in the process? We're basically asking for the Cliff Notes version of the truth. I can summarize Hamlet in a couple of words--"it can be hard to know what is the right thing to do"--but those words are not Hamlet. And how do I go about boiling down Bach into rational, linear terms? There was a thread here recently about developing artistic talent in hopes of improving RV ability. That makes much more sense to me, because art seems to me to be more closely connected to the subconscious and seems to be a way to train the waking mind to speak the language of the subconscious, rather than the other way around. I know I've posted words to this effect before, so if I'm harping on this too much, please let me know. -- Karl Boyken kboyken...t http://soli.inav.net/~kboyken/ We dance 'round in a ring and suppose, while the Secret sits in the middle and knows. --Robert Frost Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Wed Dec 11, 2002 7:11 pm Subject: Re: Symbology k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Actually, I do not see your opinion here as being contrary to my own. I think that the info comes to us in discrete and exact bits that are completetely correct. But since the conscious mind is for whatever reason unable to delineate and process that kind of data, then the info has to get packaged in a way that they conscious mind can understand. Call it 'dirty,' call it 'symbolic,' call it whatever you like. I don't pretend to know exactly how or why, only that it seems to happen. I wouldn't say the subconscious exists to 'serve' the conscious. The subconscious is another part of us and so I would assume that the diff parts of us attempt to work with the other parts, just as the heart beats and the cells divide. So in that way, all parts both give and get. If they don't, then you might have a parasite on your hands! -E > Karl wrote: > about symbology, I have a completely different > point of view on this. [snip] > In my experience, the subconscious is much closer > to the realm of meaning and significance than is > the conscious rational mind. [snip] Reply | Forward

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From: "PJ Gaenir " Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:27 am Subject: Re: Symbology dennanm Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hi Eva (and Dave), While not as stream-of-unconscious as you described, until a few years ago, I could do this kind of thing deliberately. People I've worked with have often been blown away that I could be typing along, something I am writing (not copying), at around 100wpm, while at the same time having a conversation with them on a completely separate line of thought. Also I often sang softly while typing (in essence, a steady stream of separate-line-of-thought words). I figured I overdosed on the 'parallel processing' of my brain -- multi-tasking was somewhat OVERdeveloped with me. The last few years I seem to have lost a little of that ability though -- either that, or I just so SELDOM have anybody to talk with besides my little kid and my cats (and the rare p/t employee nowdays), that the constant practice of a multi-processing environment has gone away. (Trivia: scientists suspect that testosterone may break down the physical part of the brain that they suspect deals with parallel processing, in babies or even fetal states. I am thinking this explains why more men have one-track minds. Ha! Ha! I am just kidding. Sort of.) I used to just think of my mind in "levels". You just assign what you're doing to different levels. I used to be able (from around age 14 to 29) to drop into any depth of sleep I preset (meaning, gauged by how much/little I would be disturbed by environ - from 'sleep through bulldozer next door' to 'wake if distant whisper heard'), for any amount of time and wake up to the minute that I set for myself. A lot of the 'delta-inspired experience' I think I had about seven years ago seemed to affect this though. Somehow when my waking life got really weird, my sleep habits were never the same! PJ pjrv : Messages : 1737-1746 of 4038
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#1737

From: "David Humphries" Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:46 am Subject: Re: Re: Symbology a_healey56 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 My other example (the one about doing my best designs under seemingly impossible deadlines) seems to suggest something along these lines. I have always thought that under these conditions my conscious mind has just given up, gotten out of the way, and let the subconscious take the wheel. David > I wonder if it's just because the > conscious mind was completely pummeled > into submission and could no longer > properly overrule the subconscious and > tell it what it was 'supposed' to do. Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:16 pm Subject: Re: Symbology k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Yeah, in such a case, it may be an example of there being no time to think and so you just tell that part of your mind to shut up because you don't have time to listen to it whining. ONe thing I have always noticed is that my best artistic stuff usually comes fast and easy. There have been times when I have to wonder if the stuff is any good cuz it just felt like I it was all so obvious and simple. I remember one time, I was doing an art project for school. We were supposed to make art out of garbage that would normally be thrown away. I had this elaborate plan and had worked on it for weeks but it just wouldn't come together. The night before the project was due, I realized I would never get it to work in time so I suddenly had to just throw something else together. I found an old ceiling tile and a bunch of misc garbage to tack on it and make a huge furry looking cat face. It took about an hour. I was thinking that at least I would have something to turn in. Well it turned out that everyone loved that dang cat face. I even got an 'A' on it. It was hilarious. I kept thinking about all that time I had wasted on the other attempt and I coulda just done an hour of work! To tie it all in, I think that same attitude is a great one for rv sessions. Yeah, you need to think a little bit. You have to pay attention to what you are experiencing and try to put it into words and sketches. But other than that, listening to all the incessant whining from the consicous mind tends to interfere. You get all this worrying about if it's right or not, if you picked the right aspect or not, if an analyst will think you are a moron or bonkers, how good you are compared with others, how good you should be compared with how long you have practiced, etc etc etc. All that junk is extra baggage if you ask me. Then you start seconding guessing and third guessing yourself at every turn. It tends to make for a stifling of artistic nature. -E Reply | Forward

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From: "baillie lois " Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 2:21 pm Subject: Re: Symbology and Introduction... baillielois Online Now Send IM Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 HI everyone! I've only been here a couple of days and have been just kinda reading the posts and trying to get an idea where everyone's at (and WHO everyone is, too - hah!) My name's Lois Baillie and I'm a friend of Ron's. I live in Saskatchewan - we've actually never met. He and I have been practising a bit of RV stuff over the past few months... I am totally new to it and if you'd asked me in August I'd have said you were all nuts if you told me I could do this. I was part of the group that had the big energy surge in August, and we have all experienced major psi stuff together since then. It's sort of disconcerting, because when this happens to you, there's no one you can talk to about it over the back fence. As I'm sure you know all too well... Anyway, Ron and I have been practising RVing and I've amazed myself by getting a few really cool hits. One time, I dreamed the night before our session of a rocket looking thing with a circle on top, and I drew it on my dream notepad. That day he couldn't go to his intended location because of unexpected circumstances and instead went just behind his building where there were three scultures - including a rocket with a bust on top. Although he'd likely seen that sculpture before, I 'saw' it through his eyes 8 hours before he 'looked' at it that day. There are a few other neat ones, but that one always makes me go 'Wow!' So anyway, I'd like to learn a whole lot more about this field. At the moment I have no idea what 'practical' value it has for me, other than another tool in developing my psi. I am also really interested in crop formations, do a bit of energy healing, some dowsing and pendulum work, etc. In my opinion, it all ties together in one nice neat package called "Energy Work" anyway, so anything and everything I can learn will help with development of all the rest! What got me to introduce myself NOW was this last paragraph of Eva's letter: > To tie it all in, I think that same attitude is a great one for rv > sessions. [snip] As novice as I am at this, that all makes perfect sense. If you try "too hard" at anything, you will probably end up not only stifling your natural abilities, but in the process you'll lose track of how much fun it all is! It seems to be all about learning, and sharing that knowledge, so that we ALL improve. It's part of that "We are all ONE" thing. We've each got a little piece of the puzzle and when we bring our pieces all together, we've got a better chance of seeing the big picture (Whatever the heck it might be ) Anyway, I'm glad to be here! Thanks PJ for letting me in, and thanks Ron for sending me over! Ain't life sweet? Love, Lois Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:30 pm Subject: Re: Symbology and Introduction... k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Lois, Welcome to the list! Yeah, sounds like you are on the right track. BTW, what's behind the story on 'the group that had the big energy surge in August.' I'm afraid you've totally lost me on that one! -E Reply | Forward

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From: "baillie lois " Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:55 pm Subject: Re: Symbology and Introduction... baillielois Online Now Send IM Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Eva wrote: > BTW, what's behind the story on 'the group that had the big energy > surge in August.' I'm afraid you've totally lost me on that one! Hi Eva... It was Ron's Kundalini story... we were all just talking when we got hit big time with some sort of energy that had us tingling and vibrating for days. There were 4 of us involved from all across the continent and none of us had ever met. Since then two of us have, but she and I have known each other three years, so that was planned anyway. Since then, the four of us have had a LOT of synchronicities. We can actually recognize and differentiate each other's energy, it's just too much to really say here. Very wild. In a group mediation once (with two others - 6 altogether) we were able to see what each other looked like and fairly accurately too, without having seen those people's pictures. It's just opened up a lot for our whole group. It was after that that I started RVing with Ron. Now the psi experiences are really accelerating, it seems. Whatever it is that's happening, I want to be a little more prepared for it, so I guess that's partly why I'm here ;-) Lois -------------------------- Moderator's note: Kundalini at a distance. Finally, hope for single women like me. LOL. PJ

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