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pjrv : Messages : 1768-1771 of 4038
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#1768

From: Richard Krankoski Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 12:11 am Subject: Re: Re: Spoon bending course Rich_crv Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > "Eva " wrote: > Under hypnosis, people have been documented as performing > far greater feats of strength and control than mere bending of flimsy > spoons. And I have to agree that the spoons and forks used at the > parties were barely strong enough to hold down an ornery steak! But strength is not supposed to be a factor. The classic bending goes from merely holding it up and yelling "bend" to some form of gentle stroking. The most muscle suppode to be used is a fingertip to guide the bending direction. All I saw were popping biceps. :) And.... whats so magical about silverware? Why not start out with a paperclip? Coat hangers are really easy. Why metal? How about a toothpick? wood or plastic? Rich Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 3:44 pm Subject: Re: Spoon bending course k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 The reason I mentioned hypnosis is because that explains the subjective experience of the bender. That would explain why people say it bent so easily, they weren't using their strenght, etc. I think it's because they were mildly hypnotized and so their perception of the event was slightly altered. Anyway, it's just a theory. -E > Richard Krankoski wrote: > But strength is not supposed to be a factor. > The classic bending goes from > merely holding it up and yelling "bend" > to some form of gentle > stroking. The most muscle suppode to be used > is a fingertip to guide the > bending direction. All I saw were popping biceps. :) pjrv : Messages : 1751-1793 of 4038
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From: Richard Krankoski Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:35 pm Subject: Re: Spoon bending course Rich_crv Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > I was forwarded this--a link to an online spoonbending course, > by James Twyman. It looks interesting! Oh please....... don't get me started on spoon bending. Rich -------------------------- Moderator's note: LOL. You are from the spoon anti-defamation league? It doesn't count to bend a spoon if you're touching it? Hey I heard of an experiment with a steel surgical tool in a test tube trying to be PK'd. The tool vanished. Out of the sealed tube. Unfortunately as this was not replicable it won't get discussed publicly, but this sort of thing does lend interest to the TK topic. Some of the questions for Ed May deal with TK (he is a bigger skeptic than skeptics, and he's studied it a LOT! - I think it's more that he has an alternate view of it, than that things which 'appear to be' TK don't happen). Alas those likely won't show up for quite some time, till the later interviews. Oh yeah, spoons: er, other than the questionably PKness of anything bending when someone is touching it, rubbing it, and pressing on it... whazza problem? ;-) PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Richard Krankoski Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 11:23 pm Subject: Re: Spoon bending course Rich_crv Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Oh yeah, spoons: er, other than the questionably PKness > of anything bending when someone is touching it, rubbing it, and > pressing on it... whazza problem? ;-) PJ I have been to two spoon bending parties at the two RV conferences I went to. I can confidently state that spoons do not bend when I am watching. My power to keep them straight is far greater. ........and I don't even touch them. heheheh I did see "fakers" at both events. I watched one guy give it the two handed twist and shove routine then hold it up and shout "look". I called him on it and he admitted to it. I saw another using plain old muscle power time after time and going around showing off his bendings. At some point in the party, the group is told to just hold up their spoons and forks in one hand and yell at them to bend. Darn, not a one! At the first party, some woman was going around bending spoons and forks like an Amway demonstrator showing how their hand cleaner works. All I saw was a lot of muscle power. She did not bend the cup part (whatever its called) of a spoon in these many demos. I found in the pile of spoonware, a heavy duty sample and passed it around to anyone who claimed they could do it. It became my souvenier, the unbent spoon. :) I also discovered that no "name brand" RVer would demo spoon bending, especially my heavy duty find. It was like holding a cross to a vampire. :) Several people later told me their spoons or forks had bent and I will not argue with them. No different than debating whether someone saw a UFO. I wasn't there, didnt see it, didnt see it happen with a hundred plus people trying but somehow managed to see some frauds. Maybe its like what they say about RV. If you want to RV aliens, you will RV aliens. Rich Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 2:10 pm Subject: Re: Spoon bending course k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Yeah, that sums it up for my experiences at the PK parties as well. HOwever, I do believe that some people believe they bent a spoon. But I also believe that it can be easily explained by a mild state of hypnosis. Under hypnosis, people have been documented as performing far greater feats of strength and control than mere bending of flimsy spoons. And I have to agree that the spoons and forks used at the parties were barely strong enough to hold down an ornery steak! -E Reply | Forward

#1754

From: "Eva " Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 2:05 am Subject: Re: Spoon bending course k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 I'm also a huge skeptic of most spoon bending tales. I suspect a lot of it has more to do with hypnosis than anything. Now I'm not saying it can't or doesn't ever happen. One thing I have learned in recent years is to never say never! It's only that I am suspicious of most incidents of it and I have yet to personally see anything that didn't seem more easily explained by a light hypnotic state. -E Reply | Forward

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From: Karl Boyken Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 10:17 am Subject: Re: Spoon bending course kboyken Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Thanks for the comments on spoon bending. I've never been to a spoon bending party, never given it a try. I'm curious about it, and I think I'll see what this online spoon bending thing is all about. I'll let you all know when our silverware is mangled. What's everyone's opinion on micro-PK? It seems like there's a lot of evidence that it's for real. -- Karl Boyken mailto:kboyken...t http://soli.inav.net/~kboyken Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Sat Dec 14, 2002 2:31 pm Subject: Re: Spoon bending course k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 I find it believable that PK can exist, either on a macro or micro level. I just think we have to be careful that when we claim we have evidence, that we really do have evidence. I haven't really delved into the evidence on micro-PK though. -E Reply | Forward

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 11:08 pm Subject: Re: Spoon bending course maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aloha Rich, > I also discovered that no "name brand" RVer > would demo spoon bending, especially my heavy > duty find. It was like holding > a cross to a vampire. :){ hahahahaha...Your a funny guy Rich...hahaha...I certainly am no name brand viewer...as we all know...but I too had severely mixed feelings about the fork/ spoon 'bending'...at the 2001 conference...So we need training for that too? It was fun...I got some laughs...but could just not take it seriously...I got the old giggle reaction...I gave up early on and just observed everyone else...I saw pretty much what you saw...the tableware was made of real rickety material primarily and the best one I saw 'bending'...were the pubescent children... The best part about it was... it was a large group activity...and that was the worth of it to me...It would be grand to have a more relative large group psi exercise... Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna ------------------------ Moderator's note: Of course, you were all just going about it wrong. If only you had understood, THERE IS NO SPOON..... ;-) PJ pjrv : Messages : 1747-1796 of 4038
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#1747

From: Karl Boyken Date: Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:27 am Subject: Spoon bending course kboyken Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 I was forwarded this--a link to an online spoonbending course, by James Twyman. It looks interesting! Karl -------- Original Message -------- If you go to the below website and then click on the "Spoon bending course preview" it will take you to a flash video. I had to wait some time for it to load but well worth the wait in my opinion! http://www.emissaryoflight.com Reply | Forward

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 3:15 am Subject: Spoon bending course maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aloha PJ, > Of course, you were all just going about it wrong. If > only you had understood, THERE IS NO SPOON..... ;-) PJ Wow...then the fork/spoon 'bending' was deep afterall huh?...I saw a lot of um too!... So does that mean I am psychic? This is about a free course to teach us to bend non existant spoons?...Wow...Gotta take that one!haha Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna ------------------------- Moderator's note: It was the most important line in that movie 'The Matrix', is where I got it... -- PJ

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