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#1033

From: greenmn900... Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 6:28 pm Subject: Re: Shamanic-type experience greenmn900... Send Email Send Email Ken, That's a great experience. Did you ever see the bird actually leave? Did it leave through a membrane the same way it came in? What's unique about your experience to me is that fact that you actually saw it come into this dimension. In my experience, people don't usually see anomolous objects come or leave very clearly. They're just suddenly there and then gone, like there's no entrance or exit perceived. I have no idea if it was etheric or a projected aspect, but for some reason it didn't sound like an aspect to me. It's cool that you could repeat it several times. Regards, Don Reply | Forward

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From: Ken Burns Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 12:30 pm Subject: Re: Shamanic-type experience mesundo Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Did you ever see the bird actually leave? Did it > leave through a membrane the same way it came in? Hi Don, When it flew North (towards me) I perceived it to be flying over my head. When I looked up and around, it was gone and I didn't see it leave. > . In my experience, people don't usually see anomolous objects come > or leave very clearly. They're just suddenly there and then gone, like > there's no entrance or exit perceived. Well, I had to "fight" with it, for what I believe to be a few minutes, and "pulled" him in. It was like I "saw" him in a different reality,locked on to him, and 'pulled' him into my reality. It's kind of hard to explain. The only thing I can come up with is that I was still in a meditative state, saw that something was in "my space" and checked it out.(if this makes any sense) Ken --------------------------- Moderator's note: That poor bird is still wondering what the hell happened and when he's going to wake up from this dream, LOL! Maybe that's how 'aliens' 'abduct' people. See them and focus in a certain way and "pull them through". :-) PJ Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 8:55 am Subject: Re: Shamanic-type experience greenmn900... Send Email Send Email Ken, It makes a lot of sense and somehow even feels familar for some reason. Did you notice any sounds as this was going on? Did the world seem to be going on as normal around you? I ask this because I've had a lot of odd experiences, vaguely similiar to yours, and one thing I always noted was that the normal sounds and sensations of the world seemed to drift away and were sort of muffled or even non-existent. Best Regards, Don Reply | Forward

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From: Ken Burns Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 2:00 am Subject: Re: Shamanic-type experience mesundo Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > It makes a lot of sense and somehow even feels familar for some > reason. Did you notice any sounds as this was going on? > Did the world seem to be going > on as normal around you? I was focusing so much on the moment that I probably wouldn't have heard a cannon if it went off. :-) I was worried a little about any traffic that might come by, as I was walking around in a circle just staring up ( the bird was moving around and I had to sort of 'follow' him ) Other than seeing the bird, everything else was normal. > I ask this because I've had a lot of odd > experiences, Would you mind posting one? Best Regards, Ken pjrv : Messages : 1027-1541 of 4038
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#1027

From: Ken Burns Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 1:12 am Subject: Shamanic-type experience mesundo Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 One day, after I finished my afternoon meditation, I went outside and sat on the porch steps just passing time until dinner was ready. I happend to notice that a few feet in front of me, there was a dark patch of 'air'. What caught my attention was that this patch of 'air' was square, about the size of a postage stamp! I stood up and walked towards it to see what it was and it moved as I moved. I stopped and started to focus on it. All of a sudden it started vibrating and getting a little larger. After one or two minutes it was about three inches in diameter and it looked like, light and dark shadows, just vibrating Then this vibrating mass started to take shape! Now, this mass starts to form what looks like a pairof wings. I'm standing outside staring at what appears to be a shadow of a pair of wings vibrating wildly. I'm thinking ...It's a pair of wings.... No, it cant be... Yes, it is.... No, it isn't. This goes on for about a minute, and then I see what this thing is. It is definitely a bird, or rather a shadow of a bird! It's about three inches long and has short wide smooth wings, and no feathers (more like skin.) It's trying to fly away from me, and I somehow pull it back. It's almost like pulling in a fish. I sense that I should not even blink or loose focus for even a second. It seems like I have been focusing on this for about four or five minutes. Then this bird turns around towards me and I see this head push through some kind of grey membrane or curtain and he "pops" into this "dimension"! The bird doesn't look like a shadow now but is various shades of silver and grey. He's about three inches long and has featherless wings. As soon as he came through the membrane, I had, what I believe was what Robert Monroe called, a thought ball. I "knew that he was male, average intelligence, and he was angry. He "communicated " ..."What did you bring me here for?" He"thought", ... "As long as I am here I might as well look around". I was facing the south and he was a few feet in front of me. He started flying towards the west, and I had the feeling that he had gone a long distance, but he never left my sight. He then turned around and flew back in front of me and then started to fly towards the east. He again turned around and flew back until he came in front of me and made a left. Now he was flying towards the south. After about 15 or 20 seconds, he turned around and starts to fly north. As he flew over my head, I turned around and he was gone. I had the feeling that he wanted to come back again. The next day after my meditation, I went outside to see if I could repeat the prior days event. I went to the same area and started to look for a dark patch of air. I immediately saw a dark spot, but this time it was circular, not square. I focused on it and it started vibrating. After a few seconds it got bigger and I saw the shadow of the bird and he came through the membrane immediately. He did not 'communicate' anything to me this time. After he did his thing, I had the feeling again, that he wanted to come back. The next day was a repeat performance of the day before. The following day, I went on vacation and have never seen him again. When I got back from vacation, I tried several times, but I would get very tired after focusing on the dark vibration for a couple of minutes. After about a week, I quit trying. I have often wondered if this was a external experience, (such as an etheric being that I 'brought' into my perception) or a internal one (a mental projection of an aspect of mine). Anyone have any thoughts as to what this experience was? Ken Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 7:18 pm Subject: Re: Blying things---Shamanic-type experience docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Ken, I've had the identical experience 3 times when people rather than birds came thru. But my sone had flying "things" come thru several times. I associate it with Scrying. After an intitial suprising success with scrying.. I asked my 10 year old to try.. And a "fairee thing" flew out of the mirror like it was a membrane or the surface of water.. it circled him and landed on his shoulder. It scared my son tremendously..and he slammed the mirror down and it disappeared. It was 1/2 human and 1/2 insect .. no feathers. Somewhat like the "mothman" only about 3 inches high. I've had this happening when gazing at a wall 3 times..and I know others that did it with the air, the sky, clouds, the stars, fire... almost any stareable medium... HOWEVER, I think there is an external element also. Staring at nothing has not yeilded much for me..Usually I am cued with a ruffle in the air or the mirror or the wall. Reminds me of the old Negro hymn..about a " "disturbance" in the air above my head").. The first time I gazed something successuflly I noticed a "light" area on the wall..and just gazed at it..and it seemed grow and brighten and eventual to bring thru a person..I don't know where the flying creatures you and my son saw came from.He also saw a bird /human hybrid as well as the insect/human "fairee thing" another time.. an interesting parrallel realm perhaps..G..??? Best Regards, Bill Reply | Forward

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From: Richard Krankoski Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 9:17 pm Subject: Re: Blying things---Shamanic-type experience Rich_crv Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 How reproducable is this? Has anyone tried to capture this on video? Rich > Bill Pendragon wrote: > I've had the identical experience 3 times when people > rather than birds came thru. But my sone had flying > "things" come thru several times. --------------------------- Moderator's note: Well I'm sorta confused because I thought Ken was talking about a bird that was a REAL PHYSICAL BIRD coming through, whereas my impression is that doc is talking about something less physical, or I would be curious as to what they did with some guy (with no social security number) standing in the house. ;-) I think the whole concept is amazing. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 1:02 am Subject: Re: Blying things---Shamanic-type experience docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 HI Rich, I doubt that scrying images are going to show up on a camera. It is a projection of something seen psychically onto a medium. However, when I brought thru the entity by accident at least two other people there saw it and one heard it.. even though I never told them until later what I had seen. They just jumped up and started yelling about the visitor which they described accuately . This is not uncommon with scrying and indicates tthat "something" is there..but not probably a physical something. Bevy Jaeggers mentioned that she had orb like things show up with Ultra Violet sensitive film during a successful scrying. Ken is the only other person (besides my son) I know that saw these bird like beings ( they were intelligent). Also , it told him he had been "called" accross to our universe. That's what I felt happened by my staring intently at the "disturbance" it gave enough energy to the entity to allow some kind of manifestation to appear to sensitive people, Again thanks to Ken for the confirmation of this feeling. Best Regards, Bill Reply | Forward

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From: Ken Burns Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 3:55 am Subject: Re: Blying things---Shamanic-type experience mesundo Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Bill, > I've had the identical experience 3 times when people > rather than birds came thru. That's amazing! Was there any communication involved and how long did this experience last? > And a > "fairee thing" flew out of the mirror like it was a > membrane or the surface of water. I believe Raymond Moody mentions the membrane and surface of water in his book.( Reunions) He built a psychomanteum for his clients to be able to see apparitions of their departed loved ones. > I noticed a "light" area on the wall..and just gazed > at it. Maybe that's a key to scrying, looking for and focusing on something out of the ordinary. > I don't know where the flying > creatures you and my son saw came from. I wonder if they are etheric beings, with their world separating ours by just a thin veil or as PJ said in her Rainbow of Soul theory, within each others frequency range for perceiving. > He also saw a > bird /human hybrid as well as the insect/human "fairee > thing" another time.. Wow! What an experience to have. Best Regards, Ken Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 11:04 pm Subject: Re: Blying things---Shamanic-type experience docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Ken, I want to thank you for you are the first person to independenlty confirm the "bird-thing" appearance. And also you confirmed my feeling that somehow "gazing" with hi intensity at the anomaly "summoned" it . My first experience seemed to summon a man with a curly black beard and a golden aura to slowy solidify and then he gave a lecture on the importance of universal love in whatever psi you are doing. If there is no Love don't do it..was his rather strong reccommendation! It was a class on psychic meditation back in the late 1970's. He talked to two others in the class..but I could only see him. The apparition lasted about 3-5 min. The next one occurred when I was gazing at one of those bathroom walls covered with little holes..the holes formed into a picture of a field ..at first very crude dotted thing..but then gradually became extremely realistic.. and more details appeared such as flowers birds and a river.The scene grew larger to take up the whole bathroom wall .. and then people that were walking thru the field noticed me and started walking towards me.as if they would step thru the wall....at this point I split..!.kind of sorry I didn't stay to see what they had to say...G. That lasted about 30 seconds. The next time was deliberate..while gazing at a mirror.. and it was my maternal grandmother ( at ~30) in the mirror and another man.. that only lasted about 3-5 seconds..but was very clear..I just got to excited and came out of the trance I was in. In addition my son had several experiences gazing that I mentioned..and I want to mention one related experience: While discussing this with a woman visiting our house , her 13 year old son who had a severe muscle disease overheard it and on his own in his room tried it.. he suddenly saw himself on a stage giving a charismatic speech in prewar Nazi Germany.. and suddenly someonein the audience shot him in the spine... at the same time he "felt" the bullet come thru the mirror and hit him in his own present time spine. He passed out and was comatose for several hours and it was 2-3 hours before his mother found him in his room. He recovered within a week or so.. and actually started gradually recovering from his muscle wasting disease.also. The symptoms continued to disappear until completely gone a couple of years later. I can't help feeling that reliving that past life experice had something to do with it. Best Regards, Bill Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 8:51 am Subject: Re: Blying things---Shamanic-type experience greenmn900... Send Email Send Email Bill, Well, you can add me and my wife to the list of people who've seen "flying" things. Before we moved to Missouri a couple years ago, we were in the kitchen in our house in Florida. It was one of those late-night raid-the-fridge deals, probably around 2A.M. We were standing there talking and suddenly I saw something flapping through the air only 2-3 feet away from me. It was on my left side. Before I could say anything, my wife said, "Don, what the hell was that?" I said, "So, you saw it too?" What I saw looked kind of like a bow-tie shape. It was black and was clearly "flapping". Neither of us saw it pop into existence nor disappear. It was just suddenly there and then it was gone. I saw it move across about a 2 - foot space at about shoulder level. I hadn't thought about that for a long time. So many strange things have happened over the years, I start forgetting half of them. This story jogged my memory. I wish I had some idea of what this phenomenon is. Best Regards, Don Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 2:58 pm Subject: Re: Blying things---Shamanic-type experience stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > --- In pjrv...reenmn900...ote: > I hadn't thought about that for a long time. > So many strange things have > happened over the years, I start > forgetting half of them. This story jogged > my memory. I wish I had some idea > of what this phenomenon is. I've had things like this happen too. I've thought about it for a long time and I think that maybe reality/time isn't a linear road or tube that people travel in. I think it's more like the alternate realities theory and that those realities cross over far more frequently than we choose to acknowledge to ourselves. trypper Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 11:37 pm Subject: Re: Blying things---HaiKu docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hey Don and Ken, Let's all call Art Bell and start a new string like the "shadow people" ... From out the x-files, They materialize near us, And Flaping fly, WHY!? Bill > Bill, > > Well, you can add me and my wife to the list of > people who've seen "flying" > things. Before we moved to Missouri a couple years > ago, we were in the > kitchen in our house in Florida. It was one of > those late-night > raid-the-fridge deals, probably around 2A.M. We > were standing there talking > and suddenly I saw something flapping through the > air only 2-3 feet away from > me. It was on my left side. > > Before I could say anything, my wife said, "Don, > what the hell was that?" I > said, "So, you saw it too?" > > What I saw looked kind of like a bow-tie shape. It > was black and was clearly > "flapping". Neither of us saw it pop into existence > nor disappear. It was > just suddenly there and then it was gone. I saw it > move across about a 2 - > foot space at about shoulder level. > > I hadn't thought about that for a long time. So > many strange things have > happened over the years, I start forgetting half of > them. This story jogged > my memory. I wish I had some idea of what this > phenomenon is. > > Best Regards, > Don > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ Reply | Forward

#1092

From: Karl Boyken Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 2:46 pm Subject: Re: Blying things---Shamanic-type experience kboyken Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Is this the kind of thing you're talking about? http://www.flyingrods.com/indexfl.asp > Well, you can add me and my wife to the list of people who've seen "flying" > things. Before we moved to Missouri a couple years ago, we were in the Reply | Forward

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From: Ken Burns Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 4:41 am Subject: Re: Blying things---Shamanic-type experience mesundo Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Bill, > I want to thank you for you are the first person to > independenlty confirm the "bird-thing" appearance. You're welcome. I would like to know how far away from the mirror and wall you were when you had these experiences. I'll explain why in the story below. > also you confirmed my feeling that somehow "gazing" > with hi intensity at the anomaly "summoned" it I seems to work that way. The problem is in finding the anomaly to focus on. > first experience seemed to summon a man with a curly > black beard and a golden aura to slowy solidify and > then he gave a lecture on the importance of universal > love in whatever psi you are doing. If there is no > Love don't do it..was his rather strong > reccommendation! It was a class on psychic meditation > back in the late 1970's. He talked to two others in > the class..but I could only see him. The apparition > lasted about 3-5 min. Wow! Talk about a life changing experience. And that's about the same time that I had my first experience. > .. and then people > that were walking thru the field noticed me and > started walking towards me.as if they would step thru > the wall....at this point I split. That sounds like it would be the prudent thing to do. :-) > lasted about 30 seconds. T > .. that only lasted about 3-5 seconds..but > was very clear..I just got to excited and came out of > the trance I was in. I did something like that once and had a thought so strong that it almost sounded like a voice that said "Ken you have to learn how to control your breathing". I think that if we control our breathing, it will help to control any emotion that can pull us away from the experience. > symptoms continued to disappear until completely gone > a couple of years later. What an amazing story. > I can't help feeling that > reliving that past life experice had something to do > with it. Right, it might have allowed for some type of energy release between the two aspects. Bill, the first time that I had seen this 'bird', I had perceived a square 'patch' of air about the size of a postage stamp. The next two times, I saw a circular dark spot about 3 inches in diameter. This spot would be vibrating and the bird would come through it. Several months after this, I was driving home from work and it was extremely foggy that day. I happened to notice that I could see this circular vibrating energy in front of me, by the windshield. I thought that this 'bird' was trying to come back through again. By the time I pulled into the drive, the fog was so thick that I could only see a few feet in front of me. I got out of the car and decided to see if I could let the bird come through again. This thick fog made a good background for this it made it easy to focus on the energy. I looked up and gazed at this vibrating mass of energy. Instead of the seeing the bird, I saw this geometric pattern. The best way to describe it would be if you took a pen and drew a 1/16" circle, then draw a 2.5 in circle over this. Now divide this into 4 quadrants. It now looks like cross hairs in a scope.None of the lines will go through the smaller hole. Next, about 3 inches from the outside of the circle, draw a flame (like a candle flame, about 5/8" wide and a 1 1/4 tall. Put 4 of these flames into each quadrant and we will have a total of 12 flames. Now these flames had no color, they were clear or looked white because of the fog. They were moving as if there were a strong wind.( I don't recall that there was any wind blowing) The lines in the center of the circle was moving.When the top vert.line moved it would 'swipe' across the 3rd quadrant and the other vert.line would swipe across the 1st quadrant at the same time. Now you would just have a horizontal line. Then it would move back to center and then move clockwise and 'swipe' the 2nd and 4th quadrant. It would just do this back and forth thing while the flames were 'blowing in the breeze'. I had no idea what this thing was, but it was beautiful to look at. A year or two later, I started reading some books from the Theosophical Society and came across one by Charles Leadbeater, called, The Chakras. As soon as I opened the book, I realized what I had seen a couple of years earlier. That energy mass, somehow projected a chakra or it is a unformed chakra. So I'm thinking that this 'bird' came through a chakra when I was focusing on it. If this is the case, maybe scrying is actually gazing at a chakra and these things are coming through an energy vortex,which is called a chakra? If this is correct, I wonder if gazing at different chakras would bring in different experiences. Are different chakras connected to different etheric worlds? I think our energy field can extend out a few feet, that is why I asked how far away from the wall you were. If you were close, maybe the process took place through a chakra. Maybe we project our chakras into a mirror when we gaze. Best Regards, Ken Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 9:01 am Subject: Re: Blying things---Shamanic-type experience docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Ken, The first time I was about 20 feet from the golden patch I saw near the wall.. and started gazing. It wouldn't fit a charka activation. the mirror gazing was the only one close enough to be that. BTW none of the ones I saw were "Rods" they were relatively slow moving and very solid appearing apparitions. Here is a pic of the one my son saw .. he drew this at age 10 years. Best Regards, Bill ---------------------------- Moderator's note: I'm just curious, why wouldn't it fit a chakra activation? I assume you know, if we're going on the theory of energetic bodies and chakras here, that there are "layers of" energy-bodies -- and all connected through chakras -- actually spreading out farther than most of us can even see visually. Only the most immediate 'etheric' or 'astral' body is thought to be the one right up against the physical body. Is the distance related to why you say it wouldn't fit a chakra activation? Or something else? Because chakras, allegedly being "vortices of energy which go 'through' multiple dimensions", would actually be a pretty perfect explanation for a 'doorway' like this. Of course, this is all hypothetical! -- but then again, we are not the only thing on earth that may have chakras... as books like "Needles of Stone" suggest, maybe the alleged ley-lines and power-spots on the planet are its own meridians and chakraic system. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: SValkyre... Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 1:24 am Subject: Re: Blying things---Shamanic-type experience svalkyre Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi! Bill, thanks for sharing the past life thing -- I have a theory about past lives that I rarely share. I have remembered past lives spontaneously, as well as in hypnosis sessions (I am a hypnotist, although not my "day job"). I have had different physical afflictions and tied them firmly to incidences in past lives, much like this young man with his muscle disease. A part of us seems to call Physically to us in this present life to find out something -- but what? As a young person, I always felt I would be dead by the time I was 20. No one of my closest friends or relatives died at or around that age. After I made it past 20, I felt the time had moved about 20 years. Although the readings I got from psychics and others told me I would live to be at least 80, I had incredible things happen to me, physically, which made me wonder. When I was in my 30s, I went to a doctor for my cough, which had started around 1980 (age 27). He said I had a spot on my lungs in the X-rays, but he was really rude and said he didn't want to concern himself with it "Until" I started coughing up blood. Around that time, I started having more detailed past life recollections as a man who lived from 1796 to 1836 (I have memories of him as a ghost and past life memories back to age 5 this life). When he was 27, he was shot several times including in the chest and survived. His breathing was pretty much trashed at times and although he died in battle, he was very debilitated by pneumonia and probably complications from the lung injury. He died at age 40. After I passed age 40, the memories totally changed and I rarely have problems with the cough, which hung around for years. I have a theory that our phobias are often related to past life events. They may make it "easier" to tie to things which we have not experienced this lifetime when we go into the future or into the past in meditations, RV or whenever. People who are afraid of water and are "deathly" afraid of it at a certain age Probably drowned in a past life, or experienced the drowning of someone so close it changed them forever. Some people are afraid of the dark or of airplanes -- and when they are hypnotized, often tie it to past life recollections (whether they believe in past lives or not, I might add). Okay, that is my two-cents worth, got to get my morning going... Rain, rain, rain, with occasionally heavy rain and short spurts of drizzle! Deni Magnolia, TX Silver Valkyre May we all have light sufficient for our path, and may some light the path for others. Reply | Forward

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From: Karl Boyken Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 8:43 am Subject: Re: Blying things---Shamanic-type experience kboyken Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 That URL I posted earlier about flying things appears to be from a skeptical point of view. This is the site I was looking for: http://www.roswellrods.com/ -- Karl Boyken kboyken...t http://soli.inav.net/~kboyken/ We dance 'round in a ring and suppose, while the Secret sits in the middle and knows. --Robert Frost Reply | Forward

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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Mon Nov 25, 2002 4:59 am Subject: Re: Blying things---Shamanic-type experience ozblueriver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi to Ken and all those involved in this discussion a while back. I just read an article on Rense.com about someone elses weird experiences involving beings appearing out of a hole in the air.....along with heaps of other strange events. Heres the link.. http://www.rense.com/general32/strange.htm Cheers Liz Reply | Forward

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From: Ken Burns Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 3:42 am Subject: Re: Blying things---Shamanic-type experience mesundo Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Liz, Thanks for letting us know about the article. It was interesting. I'll look at part two next week. Ken > I just read an article on Rense.com about someone elses weird > experiences involving beings appearing out of a hole in the > air.....Heres the link.. > http://www.rense.com/general32/strange.htm

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