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From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 12:46 am Subject: Re: Re: Sessions with Self (2.2) sharwebb_30512 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Palyne, I think the points you've outlined ought to work for any type of psychic work. Thanks. A couple of questions: 1. Have you thought about asking for an overview personna? A sort of "over-soul" view, if you will. It occurred to me (because I'm a writer, I suppose) that what you were doing was asking different characters in your "novel" for their points of view, so...why not slip into omniscient author mode? :-) 2. This is a question I really would like an answer to, but I hesitate to ask it because of the bias of this list. However, what better place to ask it? As I have mentioned before, I am Silva trained...and I also sorta kind free lance as a psychic and a channeler. So...here's the question: most of you are using photos as targets, right? I want to ask why? The sort of thing I do is psychic intervention as in Silva healing, a little police work, quite a bit of channeling --- along with its aspects of counseling, and psychic problem solving. When somebody asks me to see what I can get because they have a big problem in their life, I like to think that I can help them with it. So it comes in as symbols, flashes of scenes, or stuff on a screen, or words in my head, or what have you. But CRV seems to be primarily getting targets that are pictures and the pictures are therefore "known" to somebody. So...what is the goal here? Just to see if you can do it? Or what? And if the goal is to eventually go after UNknowns, such as projected terrorist targets and the like, or spy work, then...how is that different from um "ordinary" psychic work? Please understand that I'm not looking down my nose at CRV, or anything of the sort; I really want to know. Sharon sharwebb...net www.fractalus.com/sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: dennanm To: pjrv...oups.com Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:57 AM Subject: [pjrv] Re: Sessions with Self (2.2) Howdy Dave, When I have sessions working with myself via Q&A ("Aspect RV" I am calling it), I take the perspective that the "many me's inside me" are a lot of 'perspectives'. It's an experiment. That's why I've been asking myself to describe the target how a ____ would see it (engineer, CEO, songwriter, artist, whatever), assuming that aspects of me can "play that role" -- and that having the input from "a lot of different perspectives" might provide more info (and technically, it has so far). I think I'm onto something here, but it'll take doing it to see. I got the idea from three places: 1) a memory. A high school teacher once talked about how we were all so many different people. He talked about how every person could become many different things -- a cowboy, a rock star, an engineer, a youth minister -- that every person had many facets of self. He exampled that we are different in one class than another, depending on what we're doing, and who was there with us, and how we felt about ourselves when there. So I got thinking to myself, If I got ____ as data on this day on this target, would I get something different had I done the session on another day? After doing something different? Would it depend on 'who I was' at that moment? Well, what if I could deliberately invoke different aspects of myself to help me describe a target? 2) Rich Krankowski brought up the subject of movement exercises. For some reason I thought this was a key to more than going left and my mind kept coming back to it, like there was something there bugging me that I was missing. So I thought, OK, after being in front, in back, above, a little to the right, what other perspective could I take in a session? "Perspective!" -- I then realized, is more than just SPACIAL -- also being emotional, mental, etc. Then I thought about data that had come in the session just previous, where I said, "What could you say about this target?" and got the response, "Whew! Whew! Whew! Whew!" and I knew that it was like "a person making the sound of a siren". Like that was how the data had to come to me -- for whatever reason I didn't just get the words "emergency sirens" or whatever. That struck me as interesting, and funny too -- a novel way of getting the point across. I wondered why it had come to me that way. Could that aspect of self not do the linear, left-brain words? I thought about brain research where a severed central cortex almost seemed to leave a person who was two persons, weirdly enough. Eventually the brain began to adapt, but initially, the left eye and right eye just had a totally different perception of things. Then it occurred to me that perhaps throughout my sessions I was getting a MYRIAD of "perspectives" -- the problem was, I did not KNOW whether the data I was being handed was literal, symbolic, punny, or whatever. So I got thinking, maybe the real issue is "they all look alike to me" -- that I'm so unfamiliar with talking to my 'inner self(s)', that I don't know which part of me is talking. I mean if I'm talking to my grandma, or my cousin the bodybuilder, I know what they mean by the CONTEXT of knowing a little of how they think and how they interpret and communicate, and I know how to communicate accurately with them because of this. Well if all the people I knew were in a box and all I got was some kind of transcription of their comments about something -- if it was all alike to me -- I might not know how to interpret a whole lot of stuff. My aunt, who is a real airy sort, I interpret her very differently than I do my father, who is a very literal sort. If HE said certain words, I might follow up in detail, and get certain inferences from those words, whereas if she said them, I would know they were some abstract stream of consciousness thing. ;-) The problem has been that with my RV, I don't know how to interpret it, because I don't understand the part(s) of me that are supplying the data, and there very clearly DO seem to be MULTIPLE, DIFFERENT parts of me. Just like my little girl when hurt gets the compassionate mommy, and others might get a very different aspect of me, even consciously, I can see the same thing from a variety of perspectives (even those contradicting each other) if I try. So it occurred to me that maybe, like the archetype meditations I do, I could allow my mind to "personify" (without visuals, just for the sake of data) the concept of many-aspects-of-self. I could say, "OK, how would an engineer see this?" and have some shadowy perception step up in my mind and give me the answer from the aspect of me that tends to be highly linear and a little technical. And maybe over time I could work out a dependable process, of 'getting to know' those aspects of myself, of learning something about how they communicate, 'who' could help me in a target when I might need a certain perspective or type of data for example. If I'm going to view something gory, give me the cold brutal soldier any day -- I don't want my mommy aspect freaking out over the blood all over. I know I have both -- and thus far, it seems like it's hardly more than "chance" that determines how, who, the way I perceive things. I really believe we all have these many aspects of self, and that they can be worked with deliberately, I've done that in meditations very successfully. So why not in RV? It is novel, I haven't heard of it anywhere else, and I figured it was worth a try. I have dubbed it "Aspect RV" (from author Jane Roberts' "Aspect Psychology" that used the same concepts of many internal perspectives). 3) Okay this is weird. I got to thinking about all those many facets the eyes of flies have. You know they are supposed to have this remarkable visual acuity in a way very different from ours, as a result of all those facets -- essentially they are getting lots of perspectives at once, and their perception organizes them together I suppose, and they get a depth perception etc. out of it. Then I thought of how holograms are made. Then I thought, hey wait a minute. What if, just as I surmised in (2) above, half the problem is simply that we don't know WHAT perspective we are really getting information from at any given time, but what IF we could deliberately get a certain combination of focii in ourselves that could provide a round-data-composite almost like a hologram -- or at the very least, certainly a better idea of the "Blind Man's Elephant" than one person alone could. So, this notebook is my Sessions with Self, my 'Aspect RV' experiment. We will see how it goes in the end. Right now I am still a beginner at the serious practice thing, so my biggest limit is getting much data, period. I think just sticking with it for awhile will change that. I really want to do at least 2 sessions a day, but I tend to do a few sessions, they go fabulously, then I do a couple that don't go at all (I mean they're like null/void, no data whatever), then I tend to not do anything for a week or two, then I get the impetus back to work on some meditations related to these topics, then I integrate for a few days, then I do a few more sessions -- the cycle starts over. Once in awhile though I will do a session where zero data is correct, this usually happens right after I am feeling wonderful about myself for RV, lol. On the bright side I do feel like I'm moving up a notch slightly every cycle, fwiw. A few times in my practice, I have actually HEARD multiple voices - all 'me' yet all distinct (I don't confuse myself with details about what is going on here, I'm just reporting what I experienced) - I've heard them debating information, and even seeming to 'compete' to be the one to GIVE me the information from THEIR perspective; once I even "saw the data change" from one thing into another based on the interpretation of the one handing it over. Now SOME aspects are pretty literal, and some others are at best a bit... ah... unusual in their perspective, dreamy, metaphysical, etc. As I have 'spontaneously become' (or you might say, accidentally achieved 100% rapport with) people (who knows who, not people I knew) off and on for many years, as well as having remembered the 1st-person perspective of other lives (whether 'mine' or just a tuning into someone else, who knows), I'm pretty used to the "variable identity" concept. Rather than "take what I get" for data, typical RV, which has only left me wondering, why am I getting this or that, why am I getting it that way, why does it never seen either predictable or direct-able -- instead I am working to see if I can quite literally arrange WHAT I get (and its nature) by the who-of-me I am working with for data. I am working on the concept that perhaps, if I deliberately make contact with the "many aspects of self" and work WITH myself -- almost as a "team" (talk about an Army of One, LOL!) -- that all the aspects of me that want to participate will get their chance and will have their own useful place in the process - depending on the target nature, length of session, etc. One thing I notice is that doing sessions like this, tends to make me feel much more in touch with myself across the board. I mean I feel good -- I feel a sort of excitement about getting to know myself that reminds me vaguely of the excitement of getting to know someone you have a crush on. Like.... it's just nice. Sweet. P.S. I know. I think too much. :-) But it keeps me entertained. PJ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RV Oasis [pjrv] Practical Psi with PJ Gaenir Subscribe: pjrv-subscribe...oups.com Unsubscribe: pjrv-unsubscribe...oups.com Visit Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pjrv/ Firedocs RV: http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/ Owner/Moderator: Email to PJ at pj...s.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: "dennanm" Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 1:02 am Subject: Re: Sessions with Self (2.2) dennanm Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hi Sharon, > 1. Have you thought about asking for an overview personna? > A sort of "over-soul" view, if you will. It occurred to me > (because I'm a writer, I suppose) that what you were doing > was asking different characters in your "novel" for their > points of view, so...why not slip into omniscient author mode? :-) Well my 'general' questions are directed at that assumption, however, you might be right that kind of focusing on that specifically might be usable. I'll try that. A long time ago, in removing a massive 'block' from my psychology, I made it a door in my 'sacred space'. Several months ago, I did a meditation, happened to encounter the door, and had the suddenly bright idea that perhaps its energy-identity could come with me into conscious thought, and show me all the "blocks" that I had in my thinking and didn't see, and all the "doorways" that I had available and didn't see. It was a great meditation and I had this strong sense that it agreed and asked me to make a small red door, preferably out of wood, and put it in a small bag around my neck. This was so hilariously shamanic that I ignored it. (I know. I have some ambivalence about everything...) Anyway, so on the way to sleep, it was there with me, and every single thing that I would think about, the door would step in, and would show me what I was missing, what I was projecting, vastly more than I ever realized it would actually be capable of helping me with. I was kind of stunned to think that lurking in my energy-body or psychology or psychic-psyche or what have you, was such brilliance and insight and here I'd been ignoring it all this time. So the 'aspects' concept just seemed like a cool idea. The door certainly worked well. Gotta try that again. Wonder if I could bring him into how I am perceiving RV data or something. I've been looking for The Narrator. That's my term for an Aspect of Self (a friend jokes it is "the dictator" in reality, talks AT one not WITH one) that everybody seems to have; Casteneda talked about it in his "Art of Dreaming" (I was astounded at how that book described so many things I'd already been experiencing for years when I read it - I didn't much like his stuff until then). The Narrator used to talk to me all the time. I mean a running dialogue. He sounds a lot like my own lesser version of seth -- but not as well rounded with personality and humor -- but extremely good with words, extremely insightful into 'me'. Once in a great while I catch a little of him in a dream or something, but I haven't been able to reach him consciously in YEARS. I know it's just my own focus and clarity (or lack thereof rather), but I keep thinking he'd be great for RV. Or really terrible, one of the two. ;-) I'll let others respond to the RV on photo targets question before I do, and then I might not need to. :-) PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 3:45 pm Subject: Re: Re: Sessions with Self (2.2) maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aloha PJ, This is exactly what I have been doing for about 6 months...I intuit that... at least...all the selves that I have ever been (in this lifetime alone)...are still alive and present within me...the embryo...one year old..five year old...each aspect of me...still conscious...aware of itself...and its past... I was experimenting while doing ARV...trying to get a better grip on the whole thing... The mental noise that so many talk about...I conjectured was all me...I got them to work with me and keep quiet...I used the currant analytic side to focus on something else...music is always good...any favorite music...and it seemed to help a great deal...I let the past and future selfs communicate and then my past selves delivered the data...while my present self was preoccupied with something feeling...sensing...pleasure is best for me......music in particular... I would first greet them all...the many me's ...as a group and send them love...and we were all quite happy about our family gathering of self... I would then link up with my 'future' self...and have the future self... tell the data to my many younger selves...I wondered if they couldn't communicate better with one another ...and then collectively share it with me...rather than with my present self... trying to communicate with future self directly... I theorized that future self would have more in common with past selves ... than with my present self...(I don't know if this makes any sense...but it was a theory)...and it was a party with myself...a lot of fun...cleansing in some way...and it did work much better... I was warned about this on another group...the person seemed to think this could be dangerous for some...but I am quite comfortable with my selves... I guess it could be dangerous...for those that have not done similar self investigation throughout their life...I don't know... Of course I began to try to speed it up and it became less effective...My selves want the attention...haha...'The only constant is change'... as our beloved Confuscious enlightened us... I will go back to this in the very near future ...I have no doubt...unless altzieheimers hits... Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna pjrv : Messages : 482-507 of 4038
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From: "dennanm" Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 6:44 pm Subject: Sessions with Self (2.2) dennanm Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Session 2.2 & 2.21 Finally! - I finished archiving PJRV to date over on firedocs and I can get back to things... I know, I should have started _before_ there were over 400 messages and it would have been less work :-)... I want to post a transcript of a session I did nearly two weeks ago. One aspect of it related a bit to something in the previous session I posted, but I wanted to go into it with this one because it was more obvious here. Target source: pool of ~850, photo feedback. Targets range from gestalts to advanced ops-type targets. All are in security envelopes behind an index card. One envelope I'd pulled from the bag and stuck in the front pocket of my target bag (so this wasn't "precog" as much of my practice is). As noted in the last session notes, I am doing these as "sessions with self" -- a lot of Q&A in writing and no particular structure outside that. dtt=describe the target ------------- 9:20am morning in bed. Rather dim in room. Ry sleeping half-on me. Will choose target from physical pool when session is over. Wait -- [terminate] 11:30am in sitting room. Full light. Ry in other room. TMI FreeFlow 12 on. Target is focus of photo @ time of photo taken. Photo is in envelope in front pocket of target bag. 11:35am Get in state; get ready. 11:51am OK. Between flea bites everywhere and other physical distractions, this is as likely in-state as I'm gonna get. Describe the target. [id] [id] [id] [id] Well that covered the spectrum, didn't it. dtt. time is an issue again. Q. from straight ahead, describe the target A. big angular thing w/open space Q. from overhead, describe the target A. pointy like a teepee almost. white. (aol on big famous building in australia. It's not in the target pool, I know.) Q. from behind, describe the target A. OK, first I got, something coming out of it. then it blurred. then it was like 3 thost-images of it all came together from a burr- offset. At that moment I felt pressure on top of my head, but left of the crown. Then as I was 'thinking' about this, I abreacted, and lost the process. Q. Describe the target as an artist would. A. Angular. Fluttering. Solid in state yet changing in situation. Q. Describe the target as a songwriter would. A. We lose ourselves, but it drives us to understand. Q. Describe the target as an engineer would. A. Structural integrity is ok. Appropriate for environment. Q. Describe the target as a media reporter would. A. Stable. Community draw. Could be interesting. Holds events. (AOL) Q. What's the most unusual feature of target? A. It's gotta be the dogs. The water. The thing out front. (Sense of 'long flat' in front - AOL on target w/dog on porch in flood, due to this...) Q. What are the gestalts here? A. Manmade primary. Structure. Light colored. Slightly pointed roof. Sense of the structure itself not being all that fascinating, frankly. Q. Is there an 'event' at the structure? A. Well, sorta, but not really in the temporal sense of something that takes only a few hours. Q. Are there people at this target? A. I'm not aware of any. Q. Is there any life? A. There is always life. [break to focus / improve state] 12:15pm "wonderful, extraordinary --" words went through my mind and a double lightning-flash spawned an instant abreaction in my body. I don't know what I was thinking about. [later] More abreactions. I was thinking about healing, and dad's old friend Lucky just then. Restart CD. More abreactions. Have the "jiggles" -- feel need to wiggle legs -- too much energy? (Bob's talking...[on the cd]) Q. What's the target like? A. Kind of stupid. (Major abreaction.) Q. OK, is this aspects of me not comfortable with what I'm doing? (Left leg semi-abreacts: muscle from butt to foot tenses up hard, then releases.) I'm having trouble paying attention. Rather distracted. 12:23pm [id] [id] [id] [id] [id] Q, How about preliminary sketch of shapes? (major fidgeting) (mostly useless sketch of mountain looking shape) (more abreactions) I'm in a classic state of denial here. Q. Am I avoiding the target? or the session? A. The self. Q. Gee that helped. Should I stick with this for another 30 minutes? A. Only if you intensely improve focus. [12:30pm break, time-out to get in state and improve attitude] 1:00pm I'm just dozing or abreacting - one extreme or the other. I think I'll do another session on this target tonight. - End 6:05om back. New session (2.21) same target. 1. Get ready. Physical distraction, interrupt, etc., sigh... 6:20 I might as well GO! Describe the target. [id] [id] [id] Manmade. [id] dtt. Big and square. dtt. Sticks up and slopes dtt. There are other things around it. dtt. It is unique from those other things, but not considered out of place. dtt. cultural (aol, aol due to earlier aussie bldg aol) Q. Is target focus an object? A. It is a structure. Q. What color is the structure? A. mostly white. Q. Remember, our focus needs to match what is real in MY reality. What other info might be of value? * - There are trees nearby, in a straight line. * - There is water in the target. * - (strange visuals concept of some native, a young boy, whose face was painted to match a building behind him, so he blended in, invisible - until he moved) Q. Can you give me the sound of the name of something I can judge with my feedback? ('below surface' of my mind... can't seem to reach it) Q. Move 100 yards to the right and describe the target. (no data comes) Q. How would a CEO feel/think about this target? A. Would be cool to own it. Q. So the target is NOT primarily an event? A. Not primarily, no. Q. The target is a structure? A. Yes. Q. Are there people or animals in the target? A. At one Time. Temporal. Q. In the feedback? [arguing. (after-session note: arguing amongst themselves, like parts of me)] Q. Come on! Are there animals or people in my feedback photo or not?! A. "Presentation of group compromise:" We feel that there are some near the target but they should not be your focus. Q. Why not? A. You want real facts in your world as of now, right? Q. As of the moment the photo was taken. A. One moment. [long pause... no data...] We still think the white structure is focus. Q. OK. We ARE working the target in my target bag pocket, right?! A. Yes. Q. I sense there is something else at bottom right of feedback photo that I'll wish I had data on. ? A. [no response, no data coming] OK, I am ending this session. I'm sure I'll learn something, but IMO I haven't enough data for a decent presentation. end 6:35pm Feedback: http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/targets/session2-2.jpg After feedback notes: Oh! Well, lack of clear focus might be why not more specific data. However, I'm SO pleased at how "working with myself" is coming along. An overview target is hard as it both has everything, yet no singular focus. Attitude seems to be a big help, my ensuring I have optimism about success before I begin. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My comments for PJRV: What I found interesting was how my mind was making the decision about what was not important. In the previous session's target, it felt that the people in the target feedback were unimportant. And technically one could rationalize that I guess. I did a lot of describing in that one of stuff NOT in the feedback (clearly the wreckage itself), while considering something IN the feedback (2 rescue workers highlighted by the helicopter) unimportant. I've wondered sometimes WHY our minds will give us some data and not other data, so I am working through this (one of many goals) as part of this "Q&A With Self" approach to sessions. Other than the off the wall comment about dogs and water (who knows... maybe in a city, that IS what some part of me finds most interesting :-)) which is really not provable in any direction, few if any of the responses were actually inaccurate. And only a little general; specific enough to be accurate, and the primary (gestalt) level of the target is, I think, partly responsible for what data one gets on it (no specific focus, for example). But I'd like to get a lot more data, of course. I don't know what to make of the abreactions and such. The day after this session, I switched my cool-down CD and tried "verbal" sessions instead of written, which were worse than horrible - totally useless - and I've had a hard time focusing even to meditate let alone do a session, since. I got some targets from a friend, which is way cool as I am totally blind to them (though my target pool is huge enough to be acceptable, the AOL is way more harm than help from creating your own), so starting tomorrow I am hoping to get back on track with sessions again. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "David Humphries" Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 10:28 pm Subject: Sessions with Self (2.2) a_healey56 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi PJ, Your "Q&A with self" session sounded very interesting. Just the other day I was thinking if something along those lines would be a good way to try viewing a target, and it made me rethink something I've been thinking about recently. What I was wondering was this: I've always assumed that my subconscious knows it all and has it all together with respect to my physical self (I thought that it could see me, and only I couldn't see it). But after being on these RV lists for awhile now and reading most of the posts from them, I see a lot of confusion - the subconscious not giving you what you ask for or speaking in symbolism so bizarre that you would never see the connection. IOW, the symbolism doesn't seem like a lot of help much of the time. It made me start to wonder if my sub was just as blind to my reality as I was to it's reality (like we exist in different dimensions, and can't see each other). Maybe the sub is like a very advanced RVer., or something like that, but doesn't completely understand what I'm asking it for, and can't see my world in exactly the same way I do. I always assumed it could. Any ideas? I'm just trying to figure out why the sub supposedly knows what you want, but won't/can't always give you a straight answer. Dave > pj wrote: I want to post a transcript of a > session I did nearly two weeks ago. One aspect > of it related a bit to something in the previous > session I posted, but I wanted to go into it > with this one because it was more obvious here. Reply | Forward

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From: "dennanm" Date: Fri Aug 16, 2002 11:57 pm Subject: Re: Sessions with Self (2.2) dennanm Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Howdy Dave, When I have sessions working with myself via Q&A ("Aspect RV" I am calling it), I take the perspective that the "many me's inside me" are a lot of 'perspectives'. It's an experiment. That's why I've been asking myself to describe the target how a ____ would see it (engineer, CEO, songwriter, artist, whatever), assuming that aspects of me can "play that role" -- and that having the input from "a lot of different perspectives" might provide more info (and technically, it has so far). I think I'm onto something here, but it'll take doing it to see. I got the idea from three places: 1) a memory. A high school teacher once talked about how we were all so many different people. He talked about how every person could become many different things -- a cowboy, a rock star, an engineer, a youth minister -- that every person had many facets of self. He exampled that we are different in one class than another, depending on what we're doing, and who was there with us, and how we felt about ourselves when there. So I got thinking to myself, If I got ____ as data on this day on this target, would I get something different had I done the session on another day? After doing something different? Would it depend on 'who I was' at that moment? Well, what if I could deliberately invoke different aspects of myself to help me describe a target? 2) Rich Krankowski brought up the subject of movement exercises. For some reason I thought this was a key to more than going left and my mind kept coming back to it, like there was something there bugging me that I was missing. So I thought, OK, after being in front, in back, above, a little to the right, what other perspective could I take in a session? "Perspective!" -- I then realized, is more than just SPACIAL -- also being emotional, mental, etc. Then I thought about data that had come in the session just previous, where I said, "What could you say about this target?" and got the response, "Whew! Whew! Whew! Whew!" and I knew that it was like "a person making the sound of a siren". Like that was how the data had to come to me -- for whatever reason I didn't just get the words "emergency sirens" or whatever. That struck me as interesting, and funny too -- a novel way of getting the point across. I wondered why it had come to me that way. Could that aspect of self not do the linear, left-brain words? I thought about brain research where a severed central cortex almost seemed to leave a person who was two persons, weirdly enough. Eventually the brain began to adapt, but initially, the left eye and right eye just had a totally different perception of things. Then it occurred to me that perhaps throughout my sessions I was getting a MYRIAD of "perspectives" -- the problem was, I did not KNOW whether the data I was being handed was literal, symbolic, punny, or whatever. So I got thinking, maybe the real issue is "they all look alike to me" -- that I'm so unfamiliar with talking to my 'inner self(s)', that I don't know which part of me is talking. I mean if I'm talking to my grandma, or my cousin the bodybuilder, I know what they mean by the CONTEXT of knowing a little of how they think and how they interpret and communicate, and I know how to communicate accurately with them because of this. Well if all the people I knew were in a box and all I got was some kind of transcription of their comments about something -- if it was all alike to me -- I might not know how to interpret a whole lot of stuff. My aunt, who is a real airy sort, I interpret her very differently than I do my father, who is a very literal sort. If HE said certain words, I might follow up in detail, and get certain inferences from those words, whereas if she said them, I would know they were some abstract stream of consciousness thing. ;-) The problem has been that with my RV, I don't know how to interpret it, because I don't understand the part(s) of me that are supplying the data, and there very clearly DO seem to be MULTIPLE, DIFFERENT parts of me. Just like my little girl when hurt gets the compassionate mommy, and others might get a very different aspect of me, even consciously, I can see the same thing from a variety of perspectives (even those contradicting each other) if I try. So it occurred to me that maybe, like the archetype meditations I do, I could allow my mind to "personify" (without visuals, just for the sake of data) the concept of many-aspects-of-self. I could say, "OK, how would an engineer see this?" and have some shadowy perception step up in my mind and give me the answer from the aspect of me that tends to be highly linear and a little technical. And maybe over time I could work out a dependable process, of 'getting to know' those aspects of myself, of learning something about how they communicate, 'who' could help me in a target when I might need a certain perspective or type of data for example. If I'm going to view something gory, give me the cold brutal soldier any day -- I don't want my mommy aspect freaking out over the blood all over. I know I have both -- and thus far, it seems like it's hardly more than "chance" that determines how, who, the way I perceive things. I really believe we all have these many aspects of self, and that they can be worked with deliberately, I've done that in meditations very successfully. So why not in RV? It is novel, I haven't heard of it anywhere else, and I figured it was worth a try. I have dubbed it "Aspect RV" (from author Jane Roberts' "Aspect Psychology" that used the same concepts of many internal perspectives). 3) Okay this is weird. I got to thinking about all those many facets the eyes of flies have. You know they are supposed to have this remarkable visual acuity in a way very different from ours, as a result of all those facets -- essentially they are getting lots of perspectives at once, and their perception organizes them together I suppose, and they get a depth perception etc. out of it. Then I thought of how holograms are made. Then I thought, hey wait a minute. What if, just as I surmised in (2) above, half the problem is simply that we don't know WHAT perspective we are really getting information from at any given time, but what IF we could deliberately get a certain combination of focii in ourselves that could provide a round-data-composite almost like a hologram -- or at the very least, certainly a better idea of the "Blind Man's Elephant" than one person alone could. So, this notebook is my Sessions with Self, my 'Aspect RV' experiment. We will see how it goes in the end. Right now I am still a beginner at the serious practice thing, so my biggest limit is getting much data, period. I think just sticking with it for awhile will change that. I really want to do at least 2 sessions a day, but I tend to do a few sessions, they go fabulously, then I do a couple that don't go at all (I mean they're like null/void, no data whatever), then I tend to not do anything for a week or two, then I get the impetus back to work on some meditations related to these topics, then I integrate for a few days, then I do a few more sessions -- the cycle starts over. Once in awhile though I will do a session where zero data is correct, this usually happens right after I am feeling wonderful about myself for RV, lol. On the bright side I do feel like I'm moving up a notch slightly every cycle, fwiw. A few times in my practice, I have actually HEARD multiple voices - all 'me' yet all distinct (I don't confuse myself with details about what is going on here, I'm just reporting what I experienced) - I've heard them debating information, and even seeming to 'compete' to be the one to GIVE me the information from THEIR perspective; once I even "saw the data change" from one thing into another based on the interpretation of the one handing it over. Now SOME aspects are pretty literal, and some others are at best a bit... ah... unusual in their perspective, dreamy, metaphysical, etc. As I have 'spontaneously become' (or you might say, accidentally achieved 100% rapport with) people (who knows who, not people I knew) off and on for many years, as well as having remembered the 1st-person perspective of other lives (whether 'mine' or just a tuning into someone else, who knows), I'm pretty used to the "variable identity" concept. Rather than "take what I get" for data, typical RV, which has only left me wondering, why am I getting this or that, why am I getting it that way, why does it never seen either predictable or direct-able -- instead I am working to see if I can quite literally arrange WHAT I get (and its nature) by the who-of-me I am working with for data. I am working on the concept that perhaps, if I deliberately make contact with the "many aspects of self" and work WITH myself -- almost as a "team" (talk about an Army of One, LOL!) -- that all the aspects of me that want to participate will get their chance and will have their own useful place in the process - depending on the target nature, length of session, etc. One thing I notice is that doing sessions like this, tends to make me feel much more in touch with myself across the board. I mean I feel good -- I feel a sort of excitement about getting to know myself that reminds me vaguely of the excitement of getting to know someone you have a crush on. Like.... it's just nice. Sweet. P.S. I know. I think too much. :-) But it keeps me entertained. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "tropicanacabana69" Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 1:19 pm Subject: Re: Sessions with Self (2.2) tropicanacab... Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 I enjoyed reading this topic . Thank you, Since I am new to the groups related to this I find it absolutely wonderful that working with these personal "aspects" of consciousness is something you are exploring. I have been recently expanding this same type of thing in myself. I have not tried it in relation to targets though yet and so this conversation gives me the idea to try it and see how it goes. My Father-in-Law continues to tell me to explore this area of life and its ability to expand communication. It is something he has worked with for years and I hold him in high esteem and regard for all he has been teaching me. Thank you for giving the idea of applying it to RV. Robert Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 7:24 am Subject: Re: Sessions with Self (2.2) stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 --- In pjrv...David Humphries" I've always assumed that my subconscious knows it all > and has it all together with respect to my physical self > (I thought that it could see me, and only I couldn't see it). [snip] > made me start to wonder if my sub was just as blind to my > reality as I was to it's reality (like we exist in different > dimensions, and can't see each other). [snip] > I'm just trying to figure out why the sub supposedly > knows what you want, but won't/can't always give you > a straight answer. I don't think it's that the sub doesn't understand. I think it's that the viewer is trying to control the sub. Instead of quieting the mind and letting the sub have it's chance to speak, the inner dialogue seems to reflect the conscious minds attempt to control the interaction with the subconscious mind. In my humble opinion, it's the subconscious mind that should be in control. trypper Reply | Forward

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From: "dennanm" Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 9:22 am Subject: Re: Sessions with Self (2.2) dennanm Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Hi Dave, > What I was wondering was this: I've always > assumed that my subconscious knows it all > and has it all together with respect to my > physical self (I thought that it could see me, > and only I couldn't see it). I guess I sorta feel that way too. > But after being on these RV lists for awhile > now and reading most of the posts from them, I > see a lot of confusion - the subconscious not > giving you what you ask for or speaking in > symbolism so bizarre that you would never see > the connection. Maybe we don't speak the same language is all. Try translating this message through the internet's babelfish to some other language, and then translating it back. It'll make you laugh. :-) > IOW, the symbolism doesn't seem like a lot of > help much of the time. I think one of the points that viewers like McMoneagle have tried to make for years is that we are working with the subconscious which WILL use symbolism and many other indirect forms of communication, and so the majority of viewing skill is learning to understand your own mind and how it works, so that language makes more sense to us. IMO the basis of Swann's CRV was the same thing - making a viewer in training take NOTE of what was going on in their mind - forcing them to pay attention to how their mind was processing any data received. > It made me start to wonder if my sub was just as > blind to my reality as I was to it's reality (like > we exist in different dimensions, and can't see > each other). Well that's an interesting idea. Casteneda held that some aspects of self are actually inorganics (identities focused in other dimensions) and we are somewhat... symbiotic in terms of energy exchange. Your comment makes me think of Carlos's 'Art of Dreaming' book. On reflection though, I think that would be like assigning the subconscious as "one" thing, though, like one entity, and I don't think I could grok that. I don't really believe in the subconscious in technical terms. I think we have a giant conscious and we're only aware of a tiny part of it, but I don't think it's because, like our typical mental models, the rest is "hidden underneath", I think it's on the same plane, and just as accessible to us, but 'outside the box' of (a) what we pay attention to, and (b) what information we BELIEVE we are able to access. I think half the point of relaxing the critical mind isn't to get beyond some barrier on the bottom, that is the doorway to the subconscious, so much as it is getting beyond the barrier-box that we've erected around the tiny field of information and processing that we're willing and able to pay attention to. One could say that this all amounts to the same thing, and it does, except that the whole concept of 'sub'conscious, syntactically, infers it is somewhere 'other-than' where 'we-the-conscious-mind' are operating by its NATURE instead of by our own doing. After a lifetime in our little boxes I think it's a lot of work to open them up, but definitely do-able. > I'm just trying to figure out why the sub > supposedly knows what you > want, but won't/can't always give you a > straight answer. Hmmmn. Maybe, from the point of view of that part of us, the answer it gives is perfectly clear. Maybe we are just operating (in this 'reality') in such a different dimension that we often fail to see how it relates. Or maybe, as I theorize sometimes, there are many 'facets of self' and what data we get just depends on what part we are talking with. Gotta run for now. Interesting thoughts though Dave. Whatever the answer, it is certainly a journey to find one. :-) PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Melodie Kleiman Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 4:29 pm Subject: Re: Re: Sessions with Self (2.2) mmk3...ing.com Send Email Send Email I agree with your view that the subconscious is really an extended part of our consciousness but that we can have difficulty accessing it or noticing the messages. During a recent meditation, I told the Higher Source that I was having trouble "getting it" because sometimes the messages were just too subtle. I requested that the messages be "splashy" so I would notice them more easily. The next week, I went to dinner at a restaurant where there are two levels of seating. I was on the lower level and a man was seated behind and above me. As I was sitting there, telling my friend about my need to find venture capital for a business I've been involved with, the man started shaking a bottle of balsamic vinegar onto his bread plate and the vinegar was "splashing" off the plate and on to my shirt. He gave me his business card to contact him to pay for the cleaning. The card described him as a consultant. I asked him what he did, and he told me (among other things) that he consulted with firms in need of venture capital. Sometimes, in order to get the information we seek, we only need to ask. Make it splashy! Melodie Reply | Forward

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From: "dennanm" Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 5:27 pm Subject: Synchronicity (and getting what you ask for) dennanm Offline Offline Send Email Send Email > Sometimes, in order to get the information we seek, we only need to > ask. Make it splashy! Melodie That's coolly-literal! Reminds me of the time I once remarked that I was SO dense about 'metaphysical stuff' that it would take a brick falling on me from out of the sky to get my attention. Several days later, a big earthquake hit my jello-bowl-ground location (near L.A.) and my two 8'tall x 6'wide bookshelves (which I wanted to anchor but I was assured could 'never go anywhere'), made of oversize-decorator bricks and wood and filled with hardbacks, both fell from the two walls onto my bed. I was sleeping VERY deeply at the time, but 'a voice' literally 'impelled me' fully out of bed and stumbling forward by shouting GET UP!!!!! inside me. I mean, it was like the Command Of God or something -- I was still asleep and my body responded on its own, without my volition.... about half a second before all those giant bricks (and more) hit my bed. Later I went into my room (when it got light) and there were a dozen of those bricks on my bed, several on my pillow itself. I would surely have been killed or severely injured (the "jolt" that toppled them was so HARD they had momentum - half the people in my apartment complex found their refrigerators across the kitchen and so on). Actually the most unbelievable part of this story isn't even the 'voice from within' that impelled my body out of bed. It's that I was in this massively high state of "synchronicity" around then, and when it got light and I went into my room, there were two very WEIRD things that actually made me laugh out loud -- because they were so funny, and I knew nobody would ever believe me if I told them about it. The first was, I had this ceramic dragon figurine I'd had an offbeat experience with, and it was sitting on a little glass stereo cabinet. Now the entire room was DEMOLISHED by the quake, I mean it looked like it was under construction it was such a disaster, the house, huge things moved and ruined, and here is the most fragile little thing I own sitting right between these giant brick & wood shelves.... but the boards fell just-so, that there sat this glass cabinet and little dragon totally unscathed! But the really hilarious part is that when I walked into the room, one of my time-life series books was on the floor, open cover face down, like it had been thrown out into this little 'clearing' of the carpet where nothing else was. On the cover was a picture of the 60's Alaska earthquake -- the book was called EARTHQUAKES. It was like nature left a CALLING CARD or something! Like just in case I wasn't sure what the hell happened, LOL! PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "k9caninek9" Date: Sun Aug 18, 2002 8:16 pm Subject: Fidgeting in the session- was Re: Sessions with Self (2.2) k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi PJ, All that itching, squirming, tingling, fidgeting, etc during sessions happens to a lot of people. Actually, it also tends to happen to those doing TMI tapes. I found it to be quite an irritant. But it seems to be just a kind of beginner's phase that one seems to pass through. If you do enough sessions (or tapes) after a while it just kind of fades away on it's own. Now I only get a bit of a fidgety feeling if I am accessing someone else's (ie person it the target's) energy. For a while there, it was useful just for that. If I felt squirmy, then I knew there was a person in the target. Infants and animals didn't seem to trigger it that much, mostly just older people. But now I am getting better at just getting the 'person' knowledge more directly and for the most part I don't have to second guess it through the indirect route of the squirmy feeling. -E -------------------- Moderator's note: Hi Eve. You're right. I don't usually have the itching issue so present in that session actually -- I have very solid focus normally -- but I do have regular interruptions from my kid and business phone etc. But I should have noted (as it's not clear to readers) is I have two indoor/outdoor cats and it's summertime in Oklahoma. You can vacuum daily and still get eaten alive by fleas. I'm itching not just for general distraction, but because literally I'm covered with nasty bugbites -- and they are chewing on me AS I am trying to remote view, to boot! so I'm constantly leaning down and trying to get them off my ankles. Next year, I think the cats can live outside all summer. I'm just about fed up enough now to say to hell with the nature-deva sympathy and bring in about 12 cans of bug-bomb. I feel guilty about mass murder (even of bugs) so I usually put this off until sheer misery moves me to feeling sufficiently homicidal. ;-) PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "kboyken" Date: Mon Aug 19, 2002 9:44 am Subject: Fidgeting in the session- was Re: Sessions with Self (2.2) kboyken Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 This is a topic I can really relate to. I'm a fidgeter/itcher. I've been meditating for more than a quarter of a century now, but I'm still fidgety--an eternal beginner? I do go deep enough to get past that. It's like the fideting and itching belong to a level of consciousness, and if I can get through it, I'm okay. But while I'm there, I'm adjusting my waist band, pulling on the collar of my shirt, scratching my wrists, etc. When I was at Guidelines at TMI, I was afraid I would blow my PREP session in the booth--one more thing for me to put in the old energy conversion box. Afterward, Skip did show me one area on my chart where I'd noised up the graph with some body movement. But it turned out okay. Karl > All that itching, squirming, tingling, fidgeting, etc during sessions > happens to a lot of people. Actually, it also tends to happen to > those doing TMI tapes. I found it to be quite an irritant. But it > seems to be just a kind of beginner's phase that one seems to pass > through. If you do enough sessions (or tapes) after a while it just > kind of fades away on it's own.

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