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pjrv : Messages : 3212-3212 of 4038
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#3212

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Mon Jun 9, 2003 2:02 am Subject: RV stories ozblueriver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 >Oh I could tell ya some true tales that have kept me >maybe one hop >faster than the witch hunters......... Weeeeeell, now you've spilt the beans you had better fill us in on what you've been up to. I'd love to hear your stories. Cheers Liz pjrv : Messages : 3222-3267 of 4038
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#3222

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Tue Jun 10, 2003 6:58 am Subject: Re: Re: RV stories ozblueriver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aah hahahah!!!!!!!!!! Poor guys! No matter how you look at it they don't stand a chance. Ah haha! Now that story's got me thinking........instead of trying to RV lotto numbers, why not RI them instead. Like think of a set of numbers and make the machine come up with them........ :) It's worth a try. Liz Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Sat Jun 14, 2003 9:32 am Subject: Re: RV stories stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Now that story's got me thinking........instead of trying > to RV lotto numbers, why not RI them instead. Like think of > a set of numbers and make the machine come up with them........ :) I don't see how a number can be influenced, Liz. A number isn't even a thing, it's a human construct, a human invention... numbers represent other things, they are descriptions of something else, they don't exist in and of themselves. I think only people and events can be influenced. One can use precognition to see numbers though... depending on how good the memory is. Well, that's just my opinion anyway... for what it's worth. trypper --------------------- Moderator's note: Maybe all of reality can be influenced, by means of influencing the self's choice of experience. In the end, if the Buddhists are right, that may be all that exists--our perception. In this case I think Liz meant influence the machine (like micro-PK), not the numbers themselves. :-) PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Mon Jun 16, 2003 7:20 am Subject: Re: RV stories stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > In this case I think Liz meant influence > the machine (like micro-PK), not the > numbers themselves. :-) PJ You'd have to be a pretty darn good viewer, PJ and a highly skilled telekinetic to be able to watch each little number flash by in a machine and then influence the machine how ever many times in a row that the numbers you want show up. Those who do PK can get a machine to react, but it's usually a single effect. I've heard of submarines who'se torpedo equipment has been influenced but the viewer wasn't trying to keep track of numbers, count numbers passing by and the rest of it.. But hey, ... what do I know.... go for it. ---------------------------- Moderator's note: Well Mary, influence isn't actually RV anyway. I agree that micro-PK has yet to be proven let alone demonstrated in more than one (usually spontaneous) experience. I was only noting that she was talking about influencing machines, not influencing 'numbers' as a 'thing'. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:50 pm Subject: Re: RV stories stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > pj wrote: > influence isn't actually RV anyway. I agree that > micro-PK has yet to be proven let alone demonstrated > in more than one (usually spontaneous) experience. I know it's not RV, it's RI. I personally feel that micro-pk does exist and has been proven to be reliable, but that is only my own personal opinion and I have no scientific reference for it. trypper Reply | Forward

#3255

From: Karl Boyken Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 8:53 am Subject: Re: Re: RV stories kboyken Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Right, I thought Jahn and Dunne at Princeton have pretty well proven micro-PK. http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/ Karl ----------------- Moderator's note: Well alas, the most 'exciting' discovery of RNG that I'd heard about was the alleged 9/11 peak, but other parapsychologists demonstrated that basically they'd done the analysis wrong and it wasn't really an artifact after all. PEARs website has that paper... somewhere. -- PJ Reply | Forward

#3267

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Fri Jun 20, 2003 4:33 pm Subject: Re: Re: RNG data. docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi PJ, Well its actually rather confused. Spottiswood and May ( I think) attacked Radins analysis, but Radin published two explanations that he thought justified the data.. the argument was of a high powered statistical nature and beyond my depth in that area. Bill > alleged 9/11 peak, but other parapsychologists > demonstrated that basically they'd done the analysis > wrong and it wasn't really an artifact after all. ---------------------------- Moderator's note: Well, I suspect that Dr. Utts is on the CSL oversight committee, so I assumed she at least mildly reviewed May's paper, and she kicks butt on stats, that's her field and forte. She might not have reviewed it though, that might be inaccurate, I just sort of assumed, I'll have to ask her. Through various grapevines I've heard of several difficulties in psi science along these lines, so I'm coming to take things with a grain of salt. In parapsych like any other science, replication is critical I guess. PJ Reply | Forward

#3231

From: "Linda & John Garvey" Date: Sun Jun 15, 2003 11:53 am Subject: Re: Re: RV stories linda_g7us Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 -- Or if a person could influence numbers, in general, could they be manipulating the energy that causes the numbers to appear (telekinetally, if produced by a machine or computer (as in the lotteries); RI if a person is choosing numbers (as in, say, an office pool)...)? Maybe choosing our experience (say, to win some $$ in a lottery), can start the ball rolling to manipulate energy to that effect? (And not tell anybody about our choice, since they could choose a reality where we DON'T win $$ in a lottery, and it could affect our results?) As far as our perceptions, in the case of lottery numbers, there does seem to be some "objectivity" as to what the numbers are once they are chosen (rather than our individual perceptions) -- I haven't heard about anybody disagreeing as to what the numbers are, once they're chosen (at least not in California Lotto ;) )? Well, it's Sunday morning, and I'm just all full of questions, eh? LOLOL Linda G "The distinction between past, present and future is only an illusion, even if a stubborn one." -- Albert Einstein -- Reply | Forward

#3233

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Mon Jun 16, 2003 6:58 am Subject: Re: Re: RV stories ozblueriver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi, I've written down below the last post...... > I don't see how a number can be influenced, Liz. > A number isn't even a thing, > it's a human construct, a human invention... numbers > represent other things, > they are descriptions of something else, they > don't exist in and of themselves. > I think only people and events can be influenced. > One can use precognition to see numbers though... depending on how good > the memory is. > Well, that's just my opinion anyway... for what it's worth. > trypper > Moderator's note: Maybe all of reality can be influenced, > by means of influencing the self's choice of experience. > In the end, if the Buddhists are right, that may be all > that exists--our perception. > In this case I think Liz meant influence the machine (like > micro-PK), not the numbers themselves. :-) PJ PJ, you were right the first time. LOL I have come to know that, (at least in my life), that all of life can be influenced. I believe it's all an illusion and I have influenced all sorts of things. To me, it's not a matter of influencing the machine or the balls or even the person involved in running the show. It's just changing life by changing me. But that's how my life is. It's not necessarily the same for others. We all have different beliefs, thank god. That in itself keeps us one step away from being clones. If someone else was to believe differently, then perhaps their life would reflect those beliefs not mine. To me the terms PK and RI are essentially the same thing but I can see the need would arise to use them for different reasons. Cheers Liz ------------------------ Moderator's note: I forgot to add, in response to Mary, that I actually think numbers are fundamental energetic constructs that are the building blocks of our universe as we know it. A highly... condensed identity, so to speak. At least that was my experience in merging with one once. So I don't consider them 'unreal' or only 'representations'; I consider them if anything more fundamentally real-if such a thing is even possible!-than most anything else. Still I agree that we really only influence ourselves. IMO. :-) PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:47 pm Subject: Re: RV stories stanley01420 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > pj wrote: > I actually think numbers are fundamental energetic > constructs that are the building blocks of > our universe as we know it. [snip] > Still I agree that we really only influence ourselves. So... if we know/want an individual in another country to do a specific thing on a specific day and it happens.... and nothing changes for us... we influenced ourself? How? I don't get it. I guess you've got me confused there, PJ. trypper ----------------------- Moderator's note: Read some of the Seth books by Jane Roberts. The entire philosophy of 'creating your own reality' is based on what amounts to a multiverse concept, where one chooses 'which infinite aspect of experience' they wish to experience--so in essence, influences their OWN choice of experience from an infinite (or nearly) set of options, as opposed to changing anything for anybody else or anything 'objectively' (there is no objective reality in this concept, only--like time--the appearance of such). In this model, 'everything that can happen, does happen' -- and we are in most of those probabilities (simultaneously) -- we choose what we pay attention to, at the deepest levels, basically. It's the only theory that's fit all my weird experiences in without anything made impossible by it, and the more I focus on the concepts the more true they seem (which itself, even if an artifact, nearly confirms the theory :-)) so I feel comfortable with it. I realize it's a bit far out to many folks though! PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Tue Jun 17, 2003 5:51 pm Subject: Re: Re: RV stories maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aloha guys, I found this url on another psi site...it seems to have some relevance to this thread... Russel Targ... http://www.noetic.org/Ions/publications/review_archives/30/issue30_26.htm l Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -- Krishnamurti ----------------------- Moderator's note: For those of you who haven't seen it, Russell also has his own website at http://www.espresearch.com -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Tue Jun 17, 2003 5:59 pm Subject: Re: Re: RV stories maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aloha PJ, > I actually think numbers are fundamental energetic constructs > that are the building blocks of our universe as we know it. > A highly... condensed identity, so to speak. At least that was > my experience in merging with one once. So > I don't consider them 'unreal' or only 'representations'; > I consider them if anything more fundamentally real-if such a > thing is even possible!-than most anything else. Still I agree > that we really only influence ourselves. IMO. :-) PJ{ Are you literally speaking of the numbers themselves...as having substance... or the values they represent?... If literal...then which language's number sets...are the most energetic/magical?...I read somewhere that the chinese language (Mandarin in particular)...as well as ancient Hebrew (Kabbala)...Have a magical/energy quality in their very configuration...but English? Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -- Krishnamurti --------------------------- Moderator's note: What we call numbers are OUR representation. But numbers at a deeper level, beyond how we conceptualize them and make shapes to use them for counting, are to me powerful in the way that the major elements (like say, fire) are. -- PJ Reply | Forward

#3244

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:47 am Subject: Re: Re: RV stories ozblueriver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > PJ wrote > I was only noting that she was talking about > influencing machines, not influencing 'numbers' > as a 'thing'. Just to clear things up......I wasn't talking about trying to influence the machine. That's sound like too much hard work to me. What I had in mind was trying to influencing the final outcome.... me winning. If all life is a kind of reflection of who we are, as in Plato's Cave, then it's really ME I'm trying to influence to reflect that outcome. Cheers Liz Reply | Forward

#3250

From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Wed Jun 18, 2003 4:30 pm Subject: Re: Re: RV stories maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aloha PJ, > What we call numbers are OUR representation. But numbers at a deeper level, beyond how we conceptualize > them and make shapes to use them for counting, are > to me powerful in the way that the major elements > (like say, fire) are. I was pretty sure that is what you were saying...I sorta agreed with both Tryppers take on it...and Glyns and Liz's...as well as yours...hahah I resonate ... with you on the 'magical'/mystical (creational even) ...properties of the value (elemental nature/perhaps foundational even) that 'numbers' represent...and with Trypper that the actual numbers themselves (we create/ see) ...They are human constructs... created in the attempt to physically represent the super/non physical?... Whereas of course what they represent (value) ...is not a human construct... but probably universal ...A basic element of the fabric of our (physical/energy) reality...if not the core fabric itself?...Just repeating the obvious again!...and searching for words...haha Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -- Krishnamurti

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