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#1405

From: greenmn900... Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:47 pm Subject: Re: Re: RV Olympics greenmn900... Send Email Send Email Hi, Someone, somewhere mentioned we should have an "RV Olympics". Was it Rich? I don't know if it was on this list or on Stargate. At first, I thought the idea would never fly. But the more I think about it, the better I like it. If cash prizes were awarded and it was held annually, I think a lot of people would be interested. But it shouldn't be posed as a challenge between the different schools. It should just be for any one involved in any field of psychic endeavor - scryers, intuitives, phone psychics, diviners, whatever. Think about it. It would give all of us something to train for, an external goal, much like martial arts tournaments. It could be a series of six or more targets judged by the blind-matching method once used by SRI. And all the RVers could be anonymous, so no one could complain that they were being singled out or treated unfairly. Maybe a small entry fee could cover much of the costs incurred in doing this. The targets could cover a wide-range of subjects, so everyone's strengths and weaknesses would be represented. You could even throw in a target or two that is chosen after the RVing is over, for those who like to do precognitive work. I think it would do a lot to alleviate a lot of the ego problems and pointless squabbles. It would show that all of us miss targets pretty often. It would also show that just because someone knows a lot about RV and can speak in circles using highly technical intellectual language doesn't neccessarily mean they are the good Rvers. And, from year to year, those with the most talent would be competing with those who have a little less talent but work their asses off in daily practice. The competition factor, while it wouldn't attract everyone, would serve to push us all toward trying harder and being better than we are now. I think that even if I didn't compete, I would work harder just because I see others working harder and shooting for a goal. And if the ones who win are free and open about their methods, we could all learn a thing or two about every facet of RV - cooling down, the most effective practice, moving from one stage to another, ways of dealing with different kinds of data, etc. I also think it would be a awesome way to get RV some publicity, some GOOD publicity. The winning sessions could be showcased,etc. I don't know any organization that would be a good vehicle to set up something like this. Even IRVA would be out as too many people have personal and ethical problems with the folks in that organization. Maybe Dean Radin and the boys and girls from the Boundary Institute (Gotpsi) would be interested, even though this isn't a scientific effort. But I would like to nominate PJ as the one to get this thing organized and off the ground. She gets things done and has plenty of time on her hands, right PJ? :-) Let me know how it goes, Palyne. lol! Warm Regards, Don -------------------------- Moderator's note: Good heavens!! -- my former planned project (name still secret) would have facilitated this, except free on the web. I was talking to Marty about this awhile ago. I don't think it'd get enough involvement to make it worth my time to set up. Maybe I'm wrong. But I think the vast majority of people in this subject don't view, or won't view publicly, or would have their entire income ruined if they actually did their own sessions publicly, and so on. Worse, I know people who pay for sessions, so we wouldn't necessarily even know for sure, without a secure environ, that the viewer was really XYZ, rather than a really great but secret viewer XYZ happens to know. (I realize that's stretching a tad but I know of this situation, hence my noting it.) I figure in a year or so I will revisit the idea -- I've got experts willing to overview and quite some materials written up already -- but for now, I guess I am waiting for the RV-Online world at large to show a little more life. I would probably have to charge a teeeny membership fee for the web thing I planned as it'd take tons of personal resources in time and db/servers etc. Right now I see no evidence that enough people in this field (or that there ARE enough people in this field) will use the useful tools already available, let alone pay for any, no matter how small the cost. Plus, then technically even if I'm making only .50c for the cause from fees toward my costs, several groups might avoid it citing an unwillingness to give me a dime, LOL, so even I -- even though I'm open to all schools and forms of psi -- have political issues (hey! and more lately, didja notice! LOL!). Personally, I think someone familiar with science and applications, good with media and marketing, would be good, and I'd nominate Stephan Schwartz. Er, don't tell him *I* sent you by the way, that might not help your cause, but he'd be a good guy to approach. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:40 pm Subject: Re: Re: RV Olympics docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Don wrote: > Someone, somewhere mentioned we should have an "RV > Olympics". Was it Rich? Yes Rich is the "troublemaker" always pushing for an RV olympics. I think Paul put him up to it.. G Bill ----------------- Moderator's note: That's funny! As I've not seen any of the trainers push for demonstrations. I assume that was droll humor. Rich IS a troublemaker. It is one of my favorite things about him. :-) PJ Reply | Forward

#1444

From: Richard Krankoski Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 9:36 pm Subject: Re: Re: RV Olympics Rich_crv Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Someone, somewhere mentioned we should have an "RV Olympics". Was it Rich? 'Twaren't me. I think it was Bill Rich Reply | Forward

#1446

From: Richard Krankoski Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 9:52 pm Subject: Re: Re: RV Olympics Rich_crv Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Bill Pendragon wrote: > Yes Rich is the "troublemaker" > PJ wrote: > Rich IS a troublemaker. hmph.... I've been called worse. One time Paul was on Rense show and I e-mailed a question, identifying myself as one of Paul's students, asking something like....."Where are all the RVers? Paul then re-identified me as a gadfly. :) But a necessary one! Worse thing is I had to look it up in the dictionary. :) Rich Twarent me suggested that. I know better. ----------------------- Moderator's note: Wow! I bet if you'd asked a REALLY political question you would have been a worse kind of fly. In public no less. LOL! PJ Reply | Forward

#1461

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:08 am Subject: Re: Re: RV Olympics docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Don, Yes I confess it was me that suggested an RV Olympics. I'm glad you like the idea. I still think we need a $$$$$ backer to put up money and really draw out the better RVers. PJ how about Bigelowe ( sp), the guy that financed Art Bell originally? Bill* --------------------------- Moderator's note: Bigelow does a great deal of charity in the field of parapsychology and anomalies et al. I don't know him though. -PJ Reply | Forward

#1463

From: "Jason S. Shapiro" Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 11:23 am Subject: Re: Re: RV Olympics fetik3 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 We can kill two birds with one stone: 1) Everyone works the cue: RV Olympics / Best Financial Contributor / Present Location 2) Once a contributor is found via RV, there will be money for the winner. 3) Since the person who found the contributor was the first to solve a real world problem with RV, they are the winner, and get the money. :) -Jason --------------------- Moderator's note: LOL! That's hilarious! And very clever! PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 2:02 am Subject: Re: RV Olympics k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Too bad rv tends to be rather weak with finding out names. It could be a really loonnggg context because of that. LOL! -E > "Jason S. Shapiro" We can kill two birds with one stone: > 1) Everyone works the cue: RV Olympics / Best Financial Contributor / Present Location > 2) Once a contributor is found via RV, there will be money for the winner. > 3) Since the person who found the contributor was the first to solve a real > world problem with RV, they are the winner, and get the money. > :) Reply | Forward

#1471

From: "Eva" Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 8:47 pm Subject: Re: RV Olympics k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > Don wrote > Someone, somewhere mentioned we should have an "RV Olympics". I'd be willing to help. > I think it would do a lot to alleviate a lot of > the ego problems and pointless squabbles. That would be soooo nice now wouldn't it. However, I doubt it is that easy. It seems squabbling is a intrinsic element of the human race. > Moderator's note: Good heavens!! -- my > former planned project (name still secret) > would have facilitated this, except free on the > web. I was talking to Marty about this awhile > ago. I don't think it'd get enough involvement > to make it worth my time to set up. Maybe I'm wrong. Pru already said she would do it. If you could get McMoneagle, that would be two already. IMO, you have to define 'success.' In my mind, if we could get just a few people or groups, then that would be successful because it would put a bit of pressure on more groups to shell out at the next one. Also, I bet there would be some other types of psychics that might be interested. > but for now, I guess I am waiting for the > RV-Online world at large to show a little more life. I'm not sure if I will live that long at this rate. It might also pay to consider not making it too huge an enterprise at first. For instance, you don't need a work of art for the website. Just scan sessions and post em or even just scan summaries and post em. You can allow the people to form groups and just submit a group answer too. It doesn't have to be individual. -E

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