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pjrv : Messages : 392-400 of 4038
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From: "Christopher Stewart" Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 2:50 pm Subject: : RV'ing People/minds - The Pro's and Con's soundman139 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 I wonder whether the accuracy would increase based on repeated RVing of a negative situation or person. Like a doctor getting used to the intensity of trauma in a hospital. Christopher Reply | Forward

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From: "k9caninek9" Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 7:50 pm Subject: Re: : RV'ing People/minds - The Pro's and Con's k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 The thing is when a doctor helps a patient, he does not have to actually think the thoughts of the patient and feel the patients pain himself. If he did, he would probably quit and become a mailman instead. But he has the option of blocking that out of his mind. But when you are rving, you are doing the opposite of blocking it out. I think a more accurate analogy would be a police profiler. THey try to get into the head of the criminals. Burnout, drug use, and suicide are very common among police profilers and even among police in general. All that repeated exposure to violence tends to mess up people's heads, even the stronger ones. Another example would be Vietnam vets. Sure, the 'got used to' the violence and most learned to function in violent situations, but at what expense? THe majority of people simply cannot handle violence on a repeated basis and keep their sanity. -E --- In pjrv...Christopher Stewart" I wonder whether the accuracy would increase > based on repeated RVing of > a negative situation or person. > Like a doctor getting used to the > intensity of trauma in a hospital. Reply | Forward

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From: "Docrose_22" #370
that it may be more Remote Influencing that we were talking about when Tunde referred to getting into someone's mind and actually feeling and retaining what they were experiencing. Lyn has also mentioned it many times and shared his stories. I agree with Joanie as it is more the Remote Influencing thing. I have a friend that I practice this with sometimes and it is strange how sometimes you can get stuck in the event. It's hard to explain but, one time after the session was over I had a very weird feeling and wasn't sure what was wrong just knew something was wrong. I felt if I was not here, but in another demension. It was really scary. When I told him he said I was stuck in the session. So we went back so we could disconnect. After that it was better. Truly a very wierd experience. Well, better disconnect here and say good night.................. ;-) Arlene ---------------- Moderator's note: War: Dying ain't half as bad as surviving. - PJ pjrv : Messages : 360-401 of 4038
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#360

From: Timelord2029... Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 9:32 am Subject: RV'ing People/minds - The Pro's and Con's psitrooper24 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 HI All, Does anyone know why it is such a taboo trying (unless you are a highly trained and expereinced RV'er) to rv people specifcally ie...get into the mind of Slobodan milosovich or hunting a serial killer etc. Is it true you could begin to experience the thoughts and actions of your intendted target even after you have done the session ? I know Lyn is against this 100% and doesent recommend RV'ing the minds of others with good reason. but I was wondering if others here have expereinced any side effects from targeting negative targets? or even positive targets which turned out negative. How did you shake of the side effects if indeed you encountered any at all? Peace, Tunde Reply | Forward

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From: "raainfall" Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 6:20 pm Subject: Re: RV'ing People/minds - The Pro's and Con's raainfall Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aloha Tunde, It is really interesting how the viewer handles data from the remote target whether it is a geographic location or a biologic source such as an animal or human. The event will be limited to the limitations of the individual awareness. If you wouldn't notice it in real life you probably will have a far less chance of noticing it at a remote target. With that said, most remote viewers could be tasked against some very evil person and not really stand to suffer psychological damage to any great degree. Understanding the data flow between the viewer and the remote target will shed a bit of light on why (however slight) there is a possibility of target residue affecting the viewer. The viewer collects the data from the remote target, which is then processed by the same sensory apparatus that handles the normal sensory flow to the human. Let's look at an example. The viewer is tasked (double blind) with a human target at some moment of crisis. For the sake of the example let's say it is Bonnie Parker (a distant cousin to my mother) at the roadside ambush where she was killed. The viewer begins to work the target and is able to collect initial data that sets a foundation for a moment of clarity where sensory information about her dire distress begins to surface. The viewer has a primary local awareness (beta-alpha) and a secondary local subconscious awareness. The local subconscious awareness has a displaced non-local awareness at or near the target of interest. The data collected via this displaced non-local subconscious awareness is passed back to the local secondary subconscious which in turn lets the data bubble up into the primary awareness, kind of like a fizzy in a glass of water. The primary awareness is constantly responding to sensory data from the local subconscious and the more it is involved the less effect the distressful data will have on the viewer. This is because the primary awareness exercises a certain amount of oversight in regards to situational & logical sensory data. The viewer in a moment of clarity may realize (as if they were the target) "Oh I have been shot". This is called emulation. As distressful as this data may be it only takes the primary awareness an instant to verify whether or not it has been shot and will then buffer the event before it can be biophysically realized as trauma (real or otherwise). This does not mean the event has no impact on the viewer. Depending on the levels of command and control exercised by the primary awareness the event will carry a certain amount of shock weight. Shock weight over the course of the entire event can leave the viewer particularly distressed. It can take several hours and sometimes longer to lose the sense of the experience at target. The are so many levels and degrees of target emulation that it is possible for a viewer who has slipped to target and really got a foothold there to suspend the primary awareness oversight of the sensory flow. The viewer will seem to function primarily from the perspective of the remote awareness at target. In this scenario the viewer may have several wild moments where psychological clarity gives way to panic and event trauma becomes a possibility. This is not real physical trauma, but direct reaction to the shock weight without the benefit of the primary consciousness oversight. There and then the viewer will stand up or stand down to the situation it consciously finds itself in. I am sure there may be some therapeutic value to having a psychological playground such as the RV target environment to play in, but more often it is somewhat less a playground. Something of interest is the effect of target contact even after the target has been long finished. Many times data that was initially buffered down by the primary awareness will bubble up again, sometime hours or days later. This could be a cause of some local destabilization to viewer, but it will pass. Let's look at your main concern, which seemed to be "thinking what the target thinks". Depending on the individual viewer and their ability to emulate at target, this could be a far greater problem for the viewer psychology. Because the data is processed by the viewer sensory systems, thoughts seem to carry more weight than other types of data. This is probably because the viewer may psychologically react to thoughts or be put in a position where they must reconcile a thought while not really knowing it is not their own. Again these will pass but for that period of time when the residue is still clinging to your conscious being it can get a bit tough to deal with. Generally most viewers don't have to worry too much until they begin to work at such a target depth that they become part of the madness RV can be. Aloha Glenn Reply | Forward

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From: "k9caninek9" Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 12:30 pm Subject: Re: RV'ing People/minds - The Pro's and Con's k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > --- In pjrv...raainfall" Generally most viewers don't have to worry too much > until they begin to work at such a target depth that > they become part of the madness RV can be. I think that depends a lot on the viewer in question. If the viewer has a natural talent for mental access, then it could come easily and naturally even with beginning sessions. However, I am not sure that having a natural talent for it insures that the viewer is psychologically ready to deal with the skill. In fact, I would guess that probably not. -E ------------------- Moderator's note: I knew a woman with no real exposure to RV (from a diff country though, more open to such than we are in the USA), who out of novel curiosity many years, ago, decided to try a target a trainer had on their website. She was devastated - emotionally unraveled - it took her literally two weeks to feel okay again. The target was the front gate of Auschwitz. Obviously, even though to some people it was just a gate, to her, despite no experience, it was a good deal more. Then again that's a personality thing - even someone equally naturally talented might have gotten the gate down to the dimensions, but missed the horror-grief-emotion... she apparently didn't. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Timelord2029... Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 6:29 am Subject: RV'ing People/minds - The Pro's and Con's psitrooper24 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Glenn Thanks for the reply . A very thought provoking post indeed. I feel like ive got a better understanding of the mechanics of RV 'residue' just hope i learn to recognise the symptons should i ever encounter such residue when i get to that stage of my RV Progress. Thanks again for the clarification:-) Peace, Tunde Reply | Forward

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From: Timelord2029... Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 10:13 pm Subject: Re: RV'ing People/minds - The Pro's and Con's psitrooper24 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > "k9caninek9" writes: > However, I am not sure that > having a natural talent for it insures that the > viewer is > psychologically ready to deal with the skill. > In fact, I would guess > that probably not. Hi E- PJ yeah i still remember ingo's vivid account of a secret underground base/prison in the old east germany where subjects were being tested on all kinds of bio chems. Poor Ingo was reduced to tears in the TV documentary by schnable on RV. So even the RV legends get hit sometimes. Peace, Tunde pjrv : Messages : 437-437 of 4038
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From: joan003...nk.net Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 2:51 am Subject: Re: Re: : RV'ing People/minds - The Pro's and Con's joanie003 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Arlene and all, << As for many of our men and women that served in the armed forces, I can only imagine and I'm sure to no extent as to the actual experiance what they must have gone through. You are so right "E" to what expense. They are sick and have many mental problems, they can no longer know the real meaning of being happy. That was stolen from them when they first had to kill or be killed and when they had to walk around and pick up the body parts of their friends. Men way too young to have died, but they did so to keep us free to give us the opportunity to do what ever it is we want. To do this Remote Viewing. >> another Amen and A-Woman! I resonate so much with you and my experience with men who have been both on the killing fields and in rv too. Thank you..Bless you. Bless all of us who can bring some succor and some female energy and some semblance of the feminine to PTSD and the joys that have been rinsed out, that we may serve to rekindle the living flames and help keep the love and spirit alive. Within ourselves as well. People need each others spirits. << But again this is remote viewing, I think it was Joanie that mentioned in her post

#370

that it may be more Remote Influencing that we were talking about when Tunde referred to getting into someone's mind and actually feeling and retaining what they were experiencing. Lyn has also mentioned it many times and shared his stories. I agree with Joanie as it is more the Remote Influencing thing.>> lol...well, I think there's remote influence and then there's "remote influence." Prayer is remote influence and prayer works...I think much of the power of prayer is that the prayers are sent to the Matrix for processing :-) They all get churned around "up there" in the spinning wheels and gears of "Heaven" and then the "Matrix" somehow being an Intelligence figures out which ones will come true and which will not according to the "big picture." I think science calls this string theory? others call it the ordering of patterned chaos. Catholic girls identify :-) Well most people pray to God..and I think that's a good idea. I think the problems arise when people try to do things to each other...they bypass the "Matrix" in their own minds anyway. Catholic girls do NOT identify...which is why we spend the rest of our lives moving toward being pagan :-) Same with those that practice neg influence and bypass the "Matrix." Yet we are all always remote influencing each other all the time...and i think this is part of our interpersonal/intersentient co-creation throughout the 3 trillion galaxies or so of our known physical Universe. I'm in no position to quantify the non-physical Universe so i won't go there. now the other part..."remote influence" in quotes...I think this is more referring to the actual methodologized process such as rv for performing ri. This is the methodology of which to my knowledge there is no developed public record (but how would I know? :-0) - I don't know anyone else but Lyn Buchanan who's come out public about it..and that's on his video tapes, but includes dialoguing with the "influencee" and much of this ri is listening to the one you are influencing. I think it's like a full time job and because of the intensity I think you'd not want to be expected to be functional in the world for such an activity. Serious RI is probably time for a time out? I mean in the traditional terms of which we speak in rv circles, either killing or taking out or down a person. You don't do that on a lunch break, though there are Bell curves to everything. :-) And would probably want a pretty good support system. Like Jodie Foster in the cell with Hannibal Lecter...but it could also be an aspiring journalist listening to Mother Teresa...or anyone. We think "ri" is negative because of the connotations, but it could just as easily be a positive experience, I imagine :-). Then there's also black magic fast and furious. I know a guy laying on his back in a rehab now due to that..serious stuff...he might not walk again... Still I don't think the whole "karmic" thing need be a heavy...as *&^% happens to the very best. I just happen to know this guy and his past of attempting to "off" people magickally. He's an allright guy in lots of respects, most people are. :-) Well...now that I think of it..Pru's remote healing technique may be a version of this...because much of her technique has to do with LISTENING to the person who has allowed you to work with them for healing. That's an ri, but a positive engagement and you don't need to retreat from the world for weeks on end for it, nor do you suffer ill effects :-) because healing is the focus for all who have agreed - there are no blatant/conscious resistances. I thought Glenn Wheaton's comments about the dynamics of ri were fabulous : -) Thank you dear lady! In the Spirit, Joanie pjrv : Messages : 366-2594 of 4038
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#366

From: Rfjuice... Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 2:51 pm Subject: Re: RV'ing People/minds - The Pro's and Con's rfjuice2000 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Tunde, I've done a few targets that did turn out to have violence in them. One was a bank robbery where the robber was shot and killed by Police. The person who tasked it, specifically didn't task the shooting. However, I did see it. I saw enough that I knew what had happened, minus the gory aspects. I wonder if your sub is capable of censoring things ? I didn't experience any after effects, but then I usually don't get emotions easily, being more the visual type. And I didn't seem to be in this person's head, I was a bystander. Maybe a more advanced viewer would have picked up on more than me. Personally, I think anyone could end up dealing with lingering, unpleasant emotions, especially those who are talented in that area. Just my opinion, Linda > Timelord2029... writes: > Does anyone know why it is such a taboo trying > (unless you are a highly trained and expereinced RV'er) > to rv people specifcally Reply | Forward

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From: joan003...nk.net Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 10:55 pm Subject: Re: RV'ing People/minds - The Pro's and Con's joanie003 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Tunde, I haven't had any bad experiences with negative targets....but I don't have a whole lot of experience with this yet...so it hasn't been a huge issue... but I do feel/contemplate target experiences long after the session is done...especially those with strong emotionals......just that none have been truly and utterly devastating yet. There's also to my understanding a big difference between doing a session that includes a "negative" target and actually doing "remote influencing" or getting into someone's mind/body..when you get into someone else....your consciousness is merging with theirs...you are dialoguing with them and half of the "ri" is listening to the other person. I liken it to being like Jodie Foster in the cell with Hannibal Lecter. I haven't done it, but I imagine I'd have to detox from such an experience.......creeeeeps....ooooooo....... shakesss........ In the Spirit, Joanie Reply | Forward

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From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 12:22 pm Subject: Re: RV'ing People/minds - The Pro's and Con's sharwebb_30512 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > timelord wrote > Does anyone know why it is such a taboo trying > (unless you are a highly trained and expereinced RV'er) Hi, I am not CRV trained. My training was Silva, and there is a technique in Silva for getting into the mind of people. In Silva you visualize the person, and then literally reach out and remove their head (you REACH literally, you REMOVE symbolically :-) and then place it over your own head. It's a remarkable technique and works very well. But...you are cautioned to REMOVE the head when you are finished and put it back where it belongs. I don't use this technique too often, but it really works. And I have used it on animals, too. I have never had any lingering effects from using this technique. BTW, one of my former instructors has been working for the FBI tracking serial killers and other criminals. It's not generally known that the FBI does use psychics (so do a number of police forces). They keep all that very low profile. Sharon sharwebb...net www.fractalus.com/sharon Reply | Forward

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From: "Palyne Gaenir" Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 2:21 pm Subject: Re: RV'ing People/minds - The Pro's and Con's dennanm Offline Offline Send Email Send Email On 4 Aug 2002 at 13:22, Sharon Webb wrote: > technique in Silva for getting into the mind of people. In > Silva you visualize the person, and then literally reach out and > remove their head Cool! There is a Biogram technique where you do this with yourself, and take it apart and clean it out, and I've had *euphoria* about 15 minutes after that visualization... > (you REACH literally, you REMOVE symbolically :-) LOL! > and then place it over your own head. It's a remarkable > technique and works very well. I'll have to try that. > But...you are cautioned to > REMOVE the head when you are finished and put it back where it > belongs. That's the closure/cleansing/banishing part -- sounds appropriate. > I have used it on animals, too. I've never tried to RV an animal (or rather, have never tried to gain rapport with an animal I was RVing). That sounds sort of interesting. I have a buddy who's done a lot of that. Of course I realize in Silva you usually know what you are targeting. What kind of situation would cause you to view an animal? PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Barbara Baumgardner Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 6:47 pm Subject: Re: RV'ing People/minds - The Pro's and Con's threebears4u Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Sharon, PJ, and others, I liked your examples and I will try them. I have one too. It is called the Dolphin Dive. Normally you sit literally back to back and one pretends to be the Dolphin and one pretends to be the lake. Both have to visualize this. then the dolphin jumps into the lake---the other person's body--and you visit. My visit took me to the eyes--because I wanted to see out the other person's eyes and see what she saw. Now, for RV,---I take a picture of the target--I used OBL--went through his eyes---I just kept looking at his eyes and the next thing I knew I was there--in his cave. He turned around and looked at me--but he didn't react more than that, so if he got a glimse, which I think he did, he did not react so as not to appear crazy. I went and kind of willed myself inside him usind the dolphin thing --pretending he was the lake--and I looked out his eyes--and I saw his friend with the long white beard. This was good =--I remembered lots of details and it was so easy to do--no after effects at all. I guess you can try this one too. I really enjoyed the other methods---I want to try them. Thankyou for sharing-everybody that posted on this topic. Barbara Reply | Forward

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From: "tropicanacabana69" Date: Sun Aug 4, 2002 6:52 pm Subject: Re: RV'ing People/minds - The Pro's and Con's tropicanacab... Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 I just gotta respond to this one!! I know this is "whacked"..LOL! But, a couple a years ago, we had this noise under the house around the bathtub pipes. I went outside and opened up the bottom of the crawlspace and sure enough there was a Mommy possum with about 10 babies on her back hissing and carrying on. The animal control people said they could do nothing about it as they only deal with dogs and cats. So, the possum lived under our house. Well I had just gotten into RVing and there is a little indian in me so I figured maybe I could become "one" with the possum and tell them to leave!! So, I went into a meditative state and sought a connection. Well, I went to sleep and had the most awful animalistic dream of being a possum and hanging from some pipes under a house. The thing that really woke me up was this feeling of hanging on to pipes and having an incredible bad tummy ache. It was a really disgusting feeling. I woke up feeling like I had been in the being of something not human for the first time.....NOW THAT WAS an Experience I do not wish to repeat! I don't think it much fun to be a possum! That is my only experience with animals in that way. Although my energy work with Ki or Chi can make the cat here kinda skittish if I direct energy at her....LOL! Robert Needless to say the possum family left and only once this year did one of the babies come back and ended up in the bathroom in the middle of the night. One of our sons...let it go outside and it wondered of to who knows where! Reply | Forward

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From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 12:54 pm Subject: Re: RV'ing People/minds - The Pro's and Con's sharwebb_30512 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > PJ writes: > What kind of situation would cause you to view an animal? Several situations. 1. Curiosity. 2. Illness or distress of a pet. 3. Or...as happened with me once...the animal is the target due to its being the only witness to a crime. Sharon sharwebb...net www.fractalus.com/sharon Reply | Forward

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From: richard braswell Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 2:52 pm Subject: Re: RV'ing People/minds - The Pro's and Con's rvrichrb Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Sharon and PJ, > > PJ writes: > > What kind of situation would cause you to view an > animal? A lost pet. In my case, one of my kids' ferrets had wandered off and we couldn't find him. Sharon wrote: > Several situations. 1. Curiosity. 2. Illness or > distress of a pet. 3. Or...as happened with me > once...the animal is the target due to its being the > only witness to a crime. After he had been missing for 12-16 hours I sat down and 'went for' an image of his location. Here is an excerpt from a message I posted about this, on another list, back on November 2nd 2001. "Got an image of a black drain culvert, a 'hole' in the side of a dirt/leafed woody area that had the outline of the end of a black pipe of some sort." I ended up cutting my way through briars toward a drain pipe that I knew was down the hill from my house. I found him standing there inside the end of the pipe. As a note, the pipe was white concrete--not black--and was larger than the one in the image I got, but nevertheless, he was there. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Reply | Forward

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From: richard braswell Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:32 pm Subject: Dumb Cluck rvrichrb Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Rver: I saw a chicken crossing a road. James Randi: That's here-say and proves nothing. RVer: Here's the session I did for your target. James Randi: These are just chicken scratches and prove nothing. Rver: I was right. Your target photo is a chicken crossing a road. James Randi: You fraud. It's a rooster and it's standing still. RVer: It's a chicken crossing a road. James Randi: That's conjecture and proves nothing. Rver: Look at my sketch. It's almost a photocopy. James Randi: So you cheated, made a photocopy, and said it was a chicken crossing a road. I'm leaving. This proves nothing. Rver: Why are you crossing the road James? James Randi: Buck, buck, buck, buck, buuuuuck. Rich

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