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pjrv : Messages : 2752-2752 of 4038
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#2752

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 3:25 am Subject: Re-tasking issues ozblueriver Hi all, I've been wondering why all the panic over re-tasking. If I look back over the last year I have had no negative issues with RVing personally or publicly. I have had no weird unexplained happenings and have not heard anyone else describe anything out of the ordinary in their sessions. If someone has been re-tasking our sessions it hasn't harmed us in any way that is obvious. We didn't even notice. So my question is, "Why all the panic?". Is it just fear of the unknown or is there more to this than I can see? Cheers Liz ---------------------- Moderator's note: Weirdly, I have not noticed anybody panicking, but I've noticed lots of people talking about other people panicking, which I think may creating something of an illusion. I feel there is a larger consideration about shared psychic work than realized; that is my only conclusion, but that is enough to make me consider the publicity of sessions more carefully. PJ pjrv : Messages : 2768-2768 of 4038
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#2768

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 4:36 am Subject: Re: |-_-| Re: Re-tasking issues ozblueriver > Maybe that's really all it comes down to, as I've said before, is > finding what we're looking for in nearly any source. Still I think > it's fascinating. And I agree with you that as I'd said in one post, > EVERY event is a quantum event, not just RV; technically, the session > issue may be no diff than anything. PJ Hi PJ, Ok, if we agree that every event is a quantum event, then all we need to do to find out what on earth is going on in the RV world, is to look for the answer somewhere else, just like in Toy Story. Hmmmmmmmmm.............Ok I just looked left and into the shadows..........I saw my own reflection in the window as it is dark outside. ROFL..........now there's a can of worms for you!!!!! Cheers Liz ROFL........yeah.....I'm still laughing............ pjrv : Messages : 2767-2771 of 4038
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#2767

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 4:24 am Subject: Re: Re: Re-tasking issues ozblueriver Hi Tunde, Eva and pjrvers, Hmmmmmm, I can see how prudence could be called for since, as you say, no trainers post sessions. I have noticed in the past that people have queried why that is so and it always seemed as if they might just be a tad chicken, but now it seems there might be a better reason. It surprises me that Pru has kept quiet for so long. I would have thought that if there was something of interest Pru would be the first to herald it and herald it loudly for all to hear. Sure she has let us know that we should not post and that we should start thinking of the how's and why's of RVing but I wonder why she is not joining in the discussion? Why the silence from trainers? Why the silence from ex-military guys? Where's the heated debates? Everyone always seems to disagree with each other on every other topic! Yet there is silence. It's just too damn quiet for my liking...... yet I can't figure out where there could be trouble lurking. LOL Eva, I haven't been around long enough to know the names of the trainers. Is it possible to name names? After all I might need some training one day. ;) Tunde I'd be interested to see what you got in your session if you want to PEM me. cheers Liz Reply | Forward

#2771

From: "Eva" Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 11:37 am Subject: Re: Re-tasking issues k9caninek9 Some trainers off the top of my head-David Morehouse, Lyn BUchanan, Paul Smith, and Ed Dames. SOme who have just stepped into the arena of training, Scwhartz and SKip Atwater. All those are former mil except Schwartz who was around during the same time, trained with some of the same people, but supposedly was private sector (I never really understand how that could make sense if the project was classified). Then some nonmil trainers: Courtney Brown, Angela Thompson Smith, and Prudence Calabrese (except Pru is no longer training). Also, there is Glenn Wheaton who says he is from a diff military branch, and he has a few trainers that work under him including Dick Algire. For the record, Paul Smith has stated he feels there is no evidence for the theory and is skeptical of it. HRVG is also skeptical as it goes against their entire theory of how RV works which is a theory that doesn't really agree with the other people's theories either, LOL! But supposedly Morehouse has always recommended that students not post sessions. So there have been 3 opinions on it, and everyone else is quiet. But even Glenn and Paul do not post their sessions, LOL! -E --- In pjrv...oups.com, "Elizabeth Hambrook" > Eva, I haven't been around long enough to know the names of the > trainers. Is it possible to name names? After all I might need > some training one day. ;) ------------------------ Moderator's note: Given the comments made by many about how none of the trainers show sessions (or better put as 'evidence' of skill), one might ask, training in what? ;-) (I'm just being spiky! Too much bomb watching.) PJ pjrv : Messages : 2754-2775 of 4038
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#2754

From: "Ertai" Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:01 pm Subject: Re: Re-tasking issues ertaigm Retasking sessions might be the cause that so many RViews have such a low rate of hits :P Maybe new methods of Rviewing secure data and sessions might lead to better results in the percentage of good hits Who knows :P On the other way It may be just a hype, and not affecting the sessions that much Goncalo M. Reply | Forward

#2759

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 5:19 am Subject: Re: Re-tasking issues ozblueriver > Moderator's note: Weirdly, I have not noticed anybody panicking, > but I've noticed lots of people talking about other people panicking, > which I think may be creating something of an illusion. Well maybe 'panic' is the wrong word to discribe Pru closing down and Eva deciding not to post sessions. Maybe it's just prudence, yet somehow it seems a tad extreme to me. > I feel there is a larger consideration about shared psychic work than > realized; that is my only conclusion, but that is enough to make me > consider the publicity of sessions more carefully. LIZ: I just can't seem to find any great cause for concern. I can't see that shared psychic work is any different to sharing life in general. All day every day we live in a soup of psychic vibes. We are subject to the thoughts of everyone who crosses our path and even those who don't. We are affected by those who project negative thoughts about us and those who think of us in loving ways. We are affected by the simplest thoughts of those close to us which is confirmed every time we say, "Hey, I was just about to say the same thing!" Is RV really any different to life in general or are we just in a better mode to 'consciously' be more aware of what's out there and hone in on particular points in the soup while RVing. If someone is using this to their advantage I'm sure that those who would not let themselves be taken advantage of on this level would automatically cover themselves on a deep level without even having to know consciously of the problem.. After all who we are on this level covers our whole being. I'm just trying to nut this out while I type to you. It's sort of helps me think if I get to chat about it. I actually dreampt about this mystery last night which added a strange level to it. I saw someone using our RV sessions in a way that was akin to a truth serum. 'They' were looking for pure truth without it being tainted by our conscious minds. And they wanted to know the simple truths, the every day stuff. ............ And that's food for thought! Cheers Liz --------------------------- Moderator's note: That's great! Maybe your subconscious was coming up with its own theories about it all. :-) Night before last I had a funny synch about this retasking concept. I was thinking about it when my kid talked me into watching Toy Story 2 with her. At the beginning of the movie, the dinosaur toy is playing a videogame "as" the spaceman, and he can never beat the bad guy in the game. Later, in a toy store, he finds a book with "the secrets" to winning the video game, and is totally thrilled. The secret for this one part of the videogame was "look left and in the shadows!". So later they are trying to figure something out in the real world - getting into a skyscraper to rescue another toy -- and they find it, because looking left and in the shadows leads to a ventilation panel they can climb in. The total disconnect between the answer to the videogame and the answer to how to get into the building was lost on them. I cracked up. My kid couldn't see what was funny about that part. ;-) This dinosaur retasked the 'guidebook content' for the answer to his own needs of the moment, LOL! Maybe that's really all it comes down to, as I've said before, is finding what we're looking for in nearly any source. Still I think it's fascinating. And I agree with you that as I'd said in one post, EVERY event is a quantum event, not just RV; technically, the session issue may be no diff than anything. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "intuitwolf" Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 1:06 am Subject: Re: Signs (was: Re-tasking issues) intuitwolf PJ said: > Maybe that's really all it comes down to, as I've said before, is > finding what we're looking for in nearly any source. Did anyone ever watch the TV series The Others? It didn't last - or maybe it moved to Sci Fi and since I don't have cable for me it disappeared :-) But if you did do you remember the fellow who was good at reading 'the signs'. He saw something in everything. The simplest thing like a dog running across the road and then a newspaper headline staring back at him from a trash can became synchronous and meaningful events. He was one of my favorite characters. Shelia Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 12:15 pm Subject: Re: Signs (was: Re-tasking issues) stanley01420 He sounds like my kind of guy. :-) Wish I'd seen it. Mary > Did anyone ever watch the TV series The Others? It didn't last - or > maybe it moved to Sci Fi and since I don't have cable for me it > disappeared :-) But if you did do you remember the fellow who was good > at reading 'the signs'. He saw something in everything. Reply | Forward

#2766

From: James Phillip Turpin Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 2:31 am Subject: Re: Re-tasking issues james_p_turpin In RV you are, by definition, openning up yourself to perceive and record something that _somebody_else_ (or something else) chooses. (Although the somebody else could be yourself at another time, but that is besides the point.) So it just makes sense that a shared session could be hijacked, or that a renegade tasker could use sessions in ways that his organization does not intend. Although some viewers may have enough control to stop this, it makes perfect sense that the this would be highly problematic for the typical viewer, because the typical viewer's good sessions are defined by ego suppression, _not_ by strong intention. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) There is no need for panic though. If you are concerned about retasking, don't post sessions. If you must post sessions, test your viewers for susceptibility to retasking. Then only post sessions from acceptably immune viewers. If you don't think retasking is a significant issue, then ignore it until you are convinced otherwise. But do not throw your cake in the garbage just because you can't have it and eat it too. - James > Is RV really any different to life in general or are we just in a > better mode to 'consciously' be more aware of what's out there and hone > in on particular points in the soup while RVing. If someone is using > this to their advantage I'm sure that those who would not let themselves > be taken advantage of on this level would automatically cover themselves > on a deep level without even having to know consciously of the problem.. > After all who we are on this level covers our whole being. > Reply | Forward

#2761

From: James Phillip Turpin Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 12:55 am Subject: photos for ARV database james_p_turpin Does anybody have a whole bunch of pictures of decent targets in electronic format for use with ARV, that they are willing to share? I don't want to reinvent the wheel here. I'd rather build on what others have done than start from scratch. ;) You can mail me off-list if you prefer. - James ---------------------------- Moderator's note: James, there is a GREAT resources at RVTargets.com. PJ Reply | Forward

#2762

From: "Viv" Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 6:09 pm Subject: Re: photos for ARV database eclecticviv Hi James: I have a small pool of ARV sets that have been used as targets for a private project. Don't like to use target sets more than once. Your welcome to some of the better ones if you want them. They are in jpg and bitmap. The target sets are photos with as wide a contrast as possible, for differences in gastalt and theme. Viv* Reply | Forward

#2763

From: Timelord2029... Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 1:17 pm Subject: Re: Re-tasking issues psitrooper24 > LIZ wrote: > I just can't seem to find any great cause for concern. I can't see that > shared psychic work is any different to sharing life in general Hi Liz, I think the main reason first and formost for Pru closing shop and maybe eva's recent decision on farview was purely one of ethics and finding out what exactly is going on with the whole retasking business. if i ran a small egroup RV lists (as an example) and discovered members sessions were being hijacked in various ways i would pull the plug immediately and without warning till i found out what was really going on. This is why we need our trainers to tell us what the real deal is with this multitasking problem. Paul smith says its all bogus. fine thats a start. what do other Rv experts say ? Till we know what we are dealing with its best to lean on the side of caution for now. But dont let that stop you from RVing :)) I did a session this morning out of my pool. the target cue was "Describe Mount Hayes" It was an "interesting" session ...weird but interesting :)) Peace, Tunde Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 11:57 pm Subject: Re: Re-tasking issues k9caninek9 Well I'd like to see all the other trainers post a bunch of their sessions. LOL, that might make me feel better. You know, all this time, I wondered why no one would post their sessions. Now I am suspicious about it. I mean I can see if some don't want to post, but every single one? -E --- In pjrv...oups.com, Timelord2029...ote: > This is why we need our trainers to tell us what > the real deal is with this > multitasking problem. Paul smith says its all bogus. > fine thats a start. > what do other Rv experts say ? > Till we know what we are dealing with > its best to lean on the side of caution for now. Reply | Forward

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From: "bokindstrand" <031-7115905...om> Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 12:23 pm Subject: Re: Re-tasking issues bokindstrand This is the RV-version of having some fun and "doing some ass-kicking!" : -) Bo > Retasking sessions might be the cause that so > many RViews have such > a low rate of hits :P pjrv : Messages : 2793-2793 of 4038
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#2793

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 6:22 am Subject: Re: |-_-| Re: Re-tasking issues ozblueriver Thanks Eva, Now I might go and be direct with a few trainers. ;) Cheers Liz

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