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#2080

From: greenmn900... Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 9:07 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing greenmn900... Scott, I can't really answer your question directly. But there's a researcher, I think her name is Marilyn Schlitz, who's done quite a bit of good controlled work on psi healing. You could try doing an internet on her name and/or the entire subject. But as far as I know, it still hasn't been very well demonstrated under tightly controlled conditions, and the times that it has, it didn't seem to be repeatable. I could be wrong, though. The last time I looked into this area was a couple years ago. The state of the research may have changed since then. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: Timelord2029... Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 11:46 pm Subject: Re: Remote Influencing psitrooper24 In a message dated 25/01/2003 04:35:04 GMT Standard Time, scottrver...om writes: > Hi All, > > Lyn Buchanan says some interesting things about remote influencing in > interview clips at www.psiquest.net. (Go to Who We Are, Lyn's Q&A.) > He says he won't teach it and not to go there Hi Scott, Why does lyn say this? Any specific reason ? Ive had indepth RI and RH courses with Pru and there was nothing that i found that warrented not wanting to teach such a tool. Again sounds crazy to me when you consider the POSITIVE aspects of RH/RI and not just focusing on the obvious negative use of such an amazing system. Like lyn often says.."it's your mind ...use it or lose it." I like to use it as best i can while i still can :-) Peace, Tunde ps As for how to RV/RH best contact pru. There is some debate as to whether this might all be up on Pru's Free Training auorora bomb site someday but i have no idea. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 11:36 pm Subject: Re: Remote Influencing sharwebb_30512 Scott, The techniques for remote influencing and remote healing are taught in the Silva Method. As to "not going there"---I can only guess why. Perhaps Lyn feels that it is an invasion. If so, I don't agree with him, although many feel this way. In my experience, if healing is offered the intended recipient may refuse it. But why not offer? If it's accepted it will benefit the recipient; if not, no harm is done. As to RI, the Silva Method teaches that all parties should benefit from the intervention. For example, if you wanted to find a buyer for a house or a car you want to sell, then not only you, but the buyer as well, should be satisfied with the transaction. Sharon sharwebb...net www.fractalus.com/sharon Reply | Forward

#2089

From: greenmn900... Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 7:09 pm Subject: Re: Remote Influencing greenmn900... Hi Tunde, Does Pru have any documentation that her method of RI/RH really *works*? I understand the theoretical basis for a couple different systems of both but I've yet to see anything that has clear and convincing documentation under any kind of controls. This doesn't mean I don't think it's possible. But I've gathered enough anechdotal experience myself. I'd like to see some evidence for something along these lines done under some strict controls. Does she have any? Best Regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 7:53 pm Subject: Re: Remote Influencing k9caninek9 I don't know of any statistics that Pru has. I think she's just seen it in action enough that it's not an issue for her and doing offical research is incredibly time consuming. Really, I couldn't say if her way is any better than other ways (it just seems easy to use in an rv setting), but specifically in the RV field, there is not a lot going around about specific rv healing methods. Her's is specifically designed for healing purposes, whereas Lyn's seems to be more of a general purpose RI thing that can be even more easily adapted to any purpose good or bad. That's logical considering the variant origins of the two systems. All of the other healing methods I have heard of are nonrv generated techniques. On the issue of stats though, I believe there have been a number of scientific studies recently giving positive results above placebo to healing RI in hospital situations. The methods of the RI have varied but still proven effective, which is also interesting. The skeptics have not been able to come up with any plausable flaw in the studies so that's encouraging because I'm sure they have tried! So if it would seem the healing RI can work, then at least one form of RI does have supportive evidence. The only other question would be if there might be some difference between negative or nonhealing RI that would make it not work or work less efficiently. It's an interesting question. -E - Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420 " Date: Thu Jan 30, 2003 8:11 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing stanley01420 --- In pjrv...oups.com, "Eva " > So if it would seem the healing RI can work, then at least one form > of RI does have supportive evidence. The only other question would > be if there might be some difference between negative or nonhealing > RI that would make it not work or work less efficiently. It's an > interesting question. > -E There is no difference in my opinion. As a matter of fact, nonhealing RI might be easier. It's easier to influence a person to do something than it is to influence the physical body to heal. Although that may not be true either. That friend of mine told me this unbelievable story about how she once healed her mother's broken leg while holding her hand in the xray room in the hospital. The nursing home called to say her mother fell and to meet her in the emergency room. When she got there, her mother was in a lot of pain and couldn't move her leg at all. She went into xray with her and tried to heal her while she was there. The first xray showed the break. The second xray was blurry. The third xray showed no break at all. The xray tech went out and got the Emergency room doctor to come in and explain the xrays. They thought there was something wrong with the xray machine. Anyway... if it actually happened, it happened pretty fast. I told her she may have been mistaken... you know.. misinterpreted what happened. trypper Reply | Forward

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From: Timelord2029... Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:09 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing psitrooper24 In a message dated 1/26/2003 1:09:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, greenmn900 writes: > Hi Tunde, > Does Pru have any documentation that her method of RI/RH > really *works*? I > understand the theoretical basis for a couple different > systems of both but I've yet to see anything > that has clear and convincing documentation under > any kind of controls. Hi Don, Good question. Well she could give you a few tales where it has come in handy:-) seriously you would have to ask Pru. I know shes a member of this list so hopefully she might chip in personaly i have tried it and it works for me sometimes ******** ********* ********** *********** and like the lady before me said, you dont do RI/RH on people unless you have their permission anyway so not sure why someone would want to RI Sadam or Hitler as a baby. Your asking for trouble when you start going down that path. Some things in life are ment to happen for a reason and others best left well alone. But if you follow the rule of no RI without gaining permission i can see no harm in RI/RH at all. Telling people not to learn RI or do it without giving adequate reasons is abit strange to me. but there you go. Peace, Tunde Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:04 pm Subject: Re: Remote Influencing k9caninek9 --- In pjrv...oups.com, Timelord2029...ote: > Hi Don, > Good question. > Well she could give you a few tales where it has > come in handy:-) > seriously you would have to ask Pru. I know shes a member > of this list so hopefully she might chip in > personaly i have tried it and it works for me sometimes > > ******** ********* ********** *********** I don't think Pru keeps up with the lists very well, especially when they are high volume. If you have a pressing question, you can email her personally but like I said, I don't think she has been keeping scientific stats. It's incredibly time consuming and without an offical study with perfect protocol, skeptics would just laugh at them anyway. You would need to have a control group of nonRI'd subjects and all that stuff. -E Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 6:16 pm Subject: Re: Remote Influencing greenmn900... Sharon, You wrote: "The techniques for remote influencing and remote healing are taught in the Silva Method." When I first got interested in Silva 5-6 years ago, that was part of what interested me. I've still got a boxed set of 10 Silva casette tapes. One of them, that produces the "alpha sound" I still use occasionally with head phones for remote viewing. It comes in handy when there's lots of noise in the house that keeps me from focusing. Best Regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: "Scott Ellis " Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:45 pm Subject: Re: Remote Influencing scottrver From what I can gather from everyone, the basic RI or healing formula is make target contact as in RV, possibly gain some RV type information for healing, and then apply intent. Is the Silva technique along these lines? Also, is there some aspect of Lyn's or someone elses technique that differs? Scott Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:10 pm Subject: Re: Remote Influencing k9caninek9 --- In pjrv...oups.com, "Scott Ellis " From what I can gather from everyone, the basic RI or healing formula > is make target contact as in RV, possibly gain some RV type > information for healing, and then apply intent. > > Is the Silva technique along these lines? Also, is there some aspect > of Lyn's or someone elses technique that differs? > > > Scott Lyn's is similar except that it factors in a concept of initial resistance of the subject and then a later convincing by the influencer. -E Reply | Forward

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From: "Scott Ellis " Date: Thu Jan 30, 2003 12:21 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing, decisions, hit rates scottrver > > > Lyn's is similar except that it factors in a concept of initial > resistance of the subject and then a later convincing by the > influencer. > -E Hi Eva, Could you elaborate on those concepts a little? Does the RIer initially try to discern the nature of any resistance and then use intent to overcome the specific resistance followed by intent for the desired influence outcome? On RI hit rates, etc.: I personally have heard only one very convincing, first hand, anecdotal story of RI - basically incontrovertible - that to the best of my knowledge was not successfully replicated (although I haven't really investigated it seriously). Other than that, Lyn is the only person I've heard speak about success with RI in his Q&As on psiquest.net. While I think it would be very interesting to run an RI experiment, I'll confess that Lyn's discussion about influencing his own past decision making grabbed my attention for obvious selfish reasons since I certainly make my share of poor decisions. For fun I'll throw out a possible hypothesis, although I personally think we're clueless as to how this might work. In physics, there is a hypothesis that the universe makes copies of itself continually to allow for different probable outcomes. This copying is called bifurcation. Assume the universe bifurcates when you make a decision. If you later RI yourself to make the right decision, what you're really doing is selecting the bifurcation path that the current instantiation of yourself is on to be the one of the right decision. This then becomes an extension of Decision Augmentation Theory - you didn't actually influence the decision, you simply chose the reality that has the outcome you want. Scott Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Fri Jan 31, 2003 1:11 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing, decisions, hit rates k9caninek9 --- In pjrv...oups.com, "Scott Ellis " > > > > > > Lyn's is similar except that it factors in a concept of initial > > resistance of the subject and then a later convincing by the > > influencer. > > -E > > Hi Eva, > > Could you elaborate on those concepts a little? Does the RIer > initially try to discern the nature of any resistance and then use > intent to overcome the specific resistance followed by intent for the > desired influence outcome? Hmm, I would except I am a bit hesitant to tell the whole tale without permission. Lyn doesn't talk about that stuff on the net and since it's his info, I think it's better I be judicious about it myself. Sorry about that. I usually blab what I know but I don't want to piss anyone off. I think you can probably by the conference tape though. It was actually one of the more interesting lectures. -E Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:23 pm Subject: Re: Remote Influencing greenmn900... Howdy Tunde, You wrote: (about Pru's remote healing method) "Well she could give you a few tales where it has come in handy:-) seriously you would have to ask Pru. I know shes a member of this list so hopefully she might chip in personaly i have tried it and it works for me sometimes" I can imagine! I'd like to learn a method that works for me. I've tried the Silva method but got no results, tried a few different methods I made up myself, they didn't work either. So far, there've been a couple times when I *thought* it might have hepled, but nothing I can state with confidence. My wife Sheila has rheumatoid arthritis. It gets really bad sometimes. I'd really like to be able to help her. I had back surgery several years ago and it still hurts like hell occassionally. I could use it for myself too. I'd expect it would be harder to use on yourself in some ways, but maybe easier in other ways too. Best Regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: Timelord2029... Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 2:46 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing psitrooper24 Don says: I could use it for myself too. I'd expect it would be harder to use on yourself in some ways, but maybe easier in other ways too. ******* ******** ********** ********** Hi Don, Its even easiear if more than one person is doing RH on you. I have no doubt that a team of dedicated RH'ers focusing on a single person or structure can make a difference and chances are you will probably *know* or rather *feel* exactly when this was being done on you. Hopefully soon someone will be able to duplicate or demonstrate this, (if it hasnt been done already) under controled circumstances. Peace, Tunde pjrv : Messages : 2098-2213 of 4038
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#2098

From: greenmn900... Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:01 pm Subject: Re: Re: Remote Influencing greenmn900... Trypper, I guess Lyn sees it as a kind of "interference" and that we can't compehend the complete results of our doing so - so we shouldn't do it at all. You wrote: "How can one figure out whether one is making a positive change? What might appear to be a positive change (healing for instance) might have a negative long term effect of some sort that the viewer missed. The most common example is "healing the child Adolph Hitler." I can't buy that. All remote healing is, is acting in the underlying "psychic reality" to cause an effect in the more mundane, more visible "physical reality". that's all. By that line of reasoning, a doctor shouldn't treat a child either - "just let 'em die, s/he may grow up to be another Hitler". If I believed this kind of reasoning, I'd be afraid to make a single, solitary move from the moment I awake each morning. A policeman shouldn't arrest a drunken driver, it may psychologically harm the driver's child to know his father was in jail to the extent that he grows up and kills a cop. A fireman shouldn't rescue a baby from a burning building, that baby may grow up to be the next Charles Manson. If my buddy calls, I shouldn't answer the phone, I may say something that his wife disagress with and then he may suddenly, at that moment, flip-out and beat her up. Who knows? lol!! I just can't buy it. Surely, this isn't what Lyn is basing his opinion on. If you think about it, all anyone ever does, every moment of their life, is gather all the available information and then proceed with whatever seems like the best action (or inaction). As someone with psi, we are just gathering information from a wider array of sources and taking a different kind of action. But we are still trying to effect the physical world. I don't see much difference. Best Regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: "Linda & John Garvey" Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:39 pm Subject: Re: Re: Remote Influencing linda_g7us >From: greenmn900... > >Trypper, >I guess Lyn sees it as a kind of "interference" and that we can't compehend >the complete results of our doing so - so we shouldn't do it at all. > > By that line of reasoning, a doctor shouldn't treat a child either - >"just >let 'em die, s/he may grow up to be another Hitler". If I believed this >kind >of reasoning, I'd be afraid to make a single, solitary move from the moment >I >awake each morning. A fireman shouldn't rescue a baby >from a burning building, that baby may grow up to be the next Charles >Manson. > Surely, this isn't >what Lyn is basing his opinion on. > As someone with psi, we are just >gathering information from a wider array of sources and taking a different >kind of action. But we are still trying to effect the physical world. I >don't see much difference. >Best Regards, >Don Don, That's exactly the way it seems to me, too. I see no difference between healing with remote energy, and the kind of healing doctors, paramedics, etc. do physically in person. I purchased Lyn Buchanan's tape (2001 conference, I think it was), and he did have a segment where he taught RI somewhat. He spent much time warning people that they should NOT attempt to abuse it (which I agree with, of course), and he did talk about how someone tried to abuse him with RI, and how he fought back. Could this be why he doesn't want to teach it anymore...? (I don't know Mr. Buchanan, so I am just speculating here...) In any event, it makes no sense to me that RI would intrinsically be "playing God" any more than any other ability/skill we humans can develop. Linda G Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420 " Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:53 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing stanley01420 --- In pjrv...oups.com, "Linda & John Garvey" In any event, it makes no sense to me that RI would > intrinsically be "playing God" any more than any other > ability/skill we humans can develop. > > Linda G That's because you think of it as just a healing thing and it's not. I remember my friend telling me of instances where people were influenced to do things that they did not remember doing afterwards. Some of those were just inconsequential experiments but I suspect that some were not. Anyway... who knows.. it all comes down to opinion I guess. trypper Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:13 pm Subject: Re: Remote Influencing k9caninek9 --- In pjrv...oups.com, "Linda & John Garvey" > I purchased Lyn Buchanan's tape (2001 conference, I think it was), > and he did have a segment where he taught RI somewhat. > He spent much time warning people that they should NOT > attempt to abuse it (which I agree with, of course), and he > did talk about how someone tried to abuse him with RI, and > how he fought back. Could this be why he doesn't want to > teach it anymore...? (I don't know Mr. Buchanan, so I am > just speculating here...) > Linda G The main prob is those who would use it for nefarious purposes would not pay attention to the warnings and those who would not use it for nefarious deeds would not need the warnings to start with. Basically, people are going to do what they are going to do with it and there's nothing you can do about it (other than maybe attempt to RI them... ) -E Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420 " Date: Thu Jan 30, 2003 8:12 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing stanley01420 --- In pjrv...oups.com, "Eva " > The main prob is those who would use it for nefarious purposes would > not pay attention to the warnings and those who would not use it for > nefarious deeds would not need the warnings to start with. > Basically, people are going to do what they are going to do with it > and there's nothing you can do about it (other than maybe attempt to > RI them... ) > -E You can't RI everyone 24 hours a day/seven days a week. Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420 " Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:58 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing stanley01420 --- In pjrv...oups.com, greenmn900...ote: > Trypper, > You wrote: > "How can one figure out whether one is making a positive > change? What might appear to be a positive change (healing for > instance) might have a negative long term effect of some sort > that the viewer missed. The most common example is "healing > the child Adolph Hitler." > > I can't buy that. All remote healing is, is acting in the underlying "psychic > reality" to cause an effect in the more mundane, more visible "physical > reality". that's all. > > By that line of reasoning, a doctor shouldn't treat a child either - "just > let 'em die, s/he may grow up to be another Hitler". If I believed this kind > of reasoning, I'd be afraid to make a single, solitary move from the moment I > awake each morning. Well, I knew this healer once who told me about an incident in her past. She 'saw' this kid she knew that had a ruptured appendix and was having a problem in the hospital. Well she 'saw' this a few years before it happened. The little girl was on an IV and it was empty and it started pulling blood out of her... it was going up the IV instead of liquid dripping down. She was a tiny kid. Well she used RI to influence the child to start screaming. The nurses ran in, saw what was happening and took care of it. Years later, the kid grew up to be kind of wild and spoiled and caused a lot of grief to her mother. My friend was just kind of wondering about the whole psychic thing. Is it our place to interfer? Is there some greater plan that we should just be watching or is it our place to do what we can just because we can? I mean would we be able to if we weren't supposed to? I don't know sometimes. If we can heal without consequences than why isn't it ok for us to kill for a good cause too? If you could spot the terriorists who fly those planes into the WTC, and you could influence them to walk in front of a taxi before they made it to the airport, is that bad? I mean, I know you're right. And truthfully, I have no idea what Lyn ment. But... I don't know... Sometimes with RI we do things in reactive mode ... no time to think about it.. I mean it has to be done at the moment you 'see' it .. quick choices have to be made. Sometimes I wish I could be as sure of things as other people seem to be. Wouldn't you think that at my age I'd have reached some conclusions by now? The whole requesting permission to RI someone is ridiculous to me too. I just don't see that happening. It sounds great but in the real world it won't happen. I don't know... time for a cup of tea. trypper Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:24 pm Subject: Re: Remote Influencing k9caninek9 Trypper, no one has all the answers, but I think the safest thing is to try to make sure intent and action are as pure as possible. Are you doing a good thing for a good reason with good intent? If so, I think it has the most chance of a good outcome. Also, I feel intent itself manifests in more ways than just the apparent physical outcome. Another option that might also help is the often heard caveat that the action be for the greatest good when it is performed. WHen I do the TDS healing method, I have the option of choosing a vague term like 'what is most needed' or something like that when I do RI part. Also consider the idea that it's not the exact words but the feelings and intent behind them that is what is translated psychically. If so, then again if the intent is clean, that should help with a better outcome. No one here is omniscient (at least consciously), and so no one can know the exact right thing at all times. You just have to get over it and do your best anyway. -E Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420 " Date: Thu Jan 30, 2003 8:17 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing stanley01420 --- In pjrv...oups.com, "Eva " Trypper, no one has all the answers, but I think the safest thing is > to try to make sure intent and action are as pure as possible. Are > you doing a good thing for a good reason with good intent? If so, I > think it has the most chance of a good outcome. Also, I feel intent > itself manifests in more ways than just the apparent physical > outcome. Another option that might also help is the often heard > caveat that the action be for the greatest good when it is > performed. WHen I do the TDS healing method, I have the option of > choosing a vague term like 'what is most needed' or something like > that when I do RI part. Also consider the idea that it's not the > exact words but the feelings and intent behind them that is what is > translated psychically. If so, then again if the intent is clean, > that should help with a better outcome. No one here is omniscient > (at least consciously), and so no one can know the exact right thing > at all times. You just have to get over it and do your best anyway. > -E I've found that the vague stuff may serve to make the individual feel better but it doesn't work as well. Intent requires specificity, detail, and a sobering acknowledgement of what one is doing and why. At least, that how it works for me. I mean, I know you just have to leap empty handed from the cliff into the void and do it. I know.. but.. I don't know. tryppe Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Fri Jan 31, 2003 1:16 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing k9caninek9 --- In pjrv...oups.com, "stanley01420 " > > I've found that the vague stuff may serve to make the individual > feel better but it doesn't work as well. > > tryppe I don't find it so as much as you might think. I consider intent to be an intense and finely tunely feeling combined with desire. Sometimes it is much easier for me to formulate a feeling that meets all of my parameters than it would be for me to write a 5 page essay that would encapsulate the same ideas. And so I go for the feeling. I suspect that the feeling behind the verbiage is all that actually gets translated anyway and verbal language based communication is just so inefficient! -E Reply | Forward

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From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 1:25 pm Subject: Re: Re: Remote Influencing sharwebb_30512 Scott & Don, I'm gonna answer you both in one email, concerning the Silva Method. To Scott: Yes. The Silva technique is along these lines. There are many different Silva techniques, but basically you place the person on a mental screen, then make three quick scans over the person, from head to toe. You also "turn" the person on the screen so that you can get a back view. You will find that you are attracted to one or more specific areas. You then focus on those areas and go into the body, visualizing the organ or area which has caught your attention. When you visualize the problem, then you visualize the healing of that problem using any number of different methods for that, but always using intent. To Don: You say that the Silva Method did not work for you. Does your experience with the Silva Method extend just to the ten tape set? Though the tapes are good, they are no substitute for taking the course(s). They just don't come close. The tapes do give you an idea of the course work, though, and if you were to work through them serially, and spend adequate time with them, they will be helpful. If you do decide to take the course, and if you have the option, take the 3 or 4 day course, not the 2 day. The two day course was developed as a way to allow those with limited time to take the course, but it is simply too, intensive and surface skimming to do the job of the longer course. Many instructors refuse to teach the two day course because of this. Sharon sharwebb...net www.fractalus.com/sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Ellis To: pjrv...oups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 12:45 AM Subject: [pjrv] Re: Remote Influencing From what I can gather from everyone, the basic RI or healing formula is make target contact as in RV, possibly gain some RV type information for healing, and then apply intent. Is the Silva technique along these lines? Also, is there some aspect of Lyn's or someone elses technique that differs? Scott Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RV Oasis [pjrv] Practical Psi with PJ Gaenir Subscribe: pjrv-subscribe...oups.com Unsubscribe: pjrv-unsubscribe...oups.com Visit Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pjrv/ Firedocs RV: http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/ Owner/Moderator: Email to PJ at pj...s.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: "pjgaenir " Date: Thu Jan 30, 2003 8:40 am Subject: Silva/TMI (was Remote Influencing) pjgaenir I am crawling out of my cave for 30 seconds -- Sharon wrote: > To Don: > You say that the Silva Method did not > work for you. Does your experience with > the Silva Method extend just to the ten > tape set? Though the tapes are good, > they are no substitute for taking the > course(s). They just don't come close. I have the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes, and when I finally attended a program, I was amazed at the profound difference. A lot of it is the greatly increased energy/effect one gets from working in a group intent and stepping out of one's home environment of course. Now, I can see the tapes being useful for people who've taken one of the courses, but I don't think one could ever judge the Monroe Institute experience by their tapes, it is that big a difference, even though the course itself uses many or most of the tapes! When people think they know what it's all about based on the tapes I feel sort of sorry for them, because I know they probably haven't gotten half the effect from constant use of twice the tapes, as going to one 5 or 6-day TMI course would give them. So it's not hard to imagine Silva -- and anything else -- being the same way. For that matter, spending a week training in CRV with Paul Smith is very different than just reading the CRV manual online, for example -- I'm sure it is the same with ANY form of training that has been 'documented' -- the experience with a teacher and others in a course is quite different than just using the materials on your own. OK back to my cave. I'm 4/7 of the way to a deadline that hits in 48 hours (that's the NEW deadline - the FIRST one was 1/1!) so I gotta stay invisible and work every waking minute for awhile more. Rich I owe you one for keeping the list up, thanks so much. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:53 pm Subject: Re: Re: Remote Influencing greenmn900... Trypper, Hi. You wrote: "Is it our place to interfer? Is there some greater plan that we should just be watching or is it our place to do what we can just because we can?" Personally, I think it *is* our place to interfere, lol! I've given this a lot of thought over the years. I finally came to the conclusion that it takes a lot of wisdom to employ RI properly, but to not do so in a lot cases would be the moral equivelant to watching someone die and not saving them because you think it's "meant to be". Maybe our interference is actually a part of what is meant to be. You wrote: "If you could spot the terriorists who fly those planes into the WTC, and you could influence them to walk in front of a taxi before they made it to the airport, is that bad?" Well, that's a clearly negative use of RI, kind of exactly the opposite of trying to do the best you can in all situations. If my RV was 100% accurrate all the time though, I'd do it in a heartbeat! Although I think I wouldn't use a Taxi, I'd push 'em out a window or something, lol! You wrote: 'Sometimes I wish I could be as sure of things as other people seem to be. Wouldn't you think that at my age I'd have reached some conclusions by now?" Not at all. The more we know, the more we realize we don't know. The wisest people spend most of their time questioning everything, especially themselves, I think. Best Regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420 " Date: Thu Jan 30, 2003 7:57 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing stanley01420 --- In pjrv...oups.com, greenmn900...ote: > Personally, I think it *is* our place to interfere, lol! I've given this a > lot of thought over the years. I finally came to the conclusion that it > takes a lot of wisdom to employ RI properly, but to not do so in a lot cases > would be the moral equivelant to watching someone die and not saving them > because you think it's "meant to be". Maybe our interference is actually a > part of what is meant to be. Well Don, I've thought that too at times. But in your example of "to not do so in a lot cases would be the moral equivelant to watching someone die and not saving them because you think it's "meant to be". We don't have a lot of good sense in this country regarding death. We keep people alive by effort of machine with no regard to their dignity or suffering. Oh Lord... here I go again. Everything is a quandry with me. But I do agree that maybe our interference is actually a part of what is meant to be. Because it's happening, you know? > You wrote: > "If you could > spot the terriorists who fly those planes into the WTC, and you > could influence them to walk in front of a taxi before they made it > to the airport, is that bad?" > > Well, that's a clearly negative use of RI, kind of exactly the opposite of > trying to do the best you can in all situations. How can you say that? If you could save the lives of thousands of innocent people, how can that be a negative use of RI? On this level, can we remain in the dualist mindset? Good and bad, right and wrong, those distinctions get very blurry when you see what's coming and have the skill to alter it. But then.. that just brings me back to the beginning. Should we be altering it at all? I don't know. We do what we do, I guess. Because we can. >If my RV was 100% accurrate > all the time though, I'd do it in a heartbeat! Although I think I >wouldn't > use a Taxi, I'd push 'em out a window or something, lol! > > You wrote: > 'Sometimes I wish I could be as sure of things as other people > seem to be. Wouldn't you think that at my age I'd have reached > some conclusions by now?" > > Not at all. The more we know, the more we realize we don't know. The wisest > people spend most of their time questioning everything, especially > themselves, I think. > Best Regards, > Don I wonder sometimes if those who are the best at it may not be those who agonize over it the most. :-} trypper Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:58 pm Subject: Re: Re: Remote Influencing greenmn900... In a message dated 1/28/03 10:38:04 PM Central Standard Time, linda_g7....com writes: > In any event, it makes no sense to me that RI would > intrinsically be "playing God" any more than any other > ability/skill we humans can develop Hi linda, I agree completely. I don't see the difference. Best regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: Karl Boyken Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:31 am Subject: Re: Re: Remote Influencing kboyken Sorry, I guess I'm not making myself very clear. What I'm trying to say is that the healer is only a conduit for the source of healing. At least, that's been my experience, and the healers I know operate that way, too. The healer is not really doing anything other than making himself available. I's whatever it is that is working through him that is doing the healing. The more ego-involved a healer is, the less likely it is that anything will happen. As for letting god or guidance or whatever you'd like to call it handle it in the first place, that's a great idea. Karl > Yes Karl, intent means assuming full responsibility for the > intention. That's part of the focus. We can't intend something > and then cop out by saying .. oh well I'm not really doing this.. > God is. > > I mean sure, God may be doing everything but then... what role > does the healer actually play in all this anyway? Why not just live > his or her life and just let God handle it in the first place? > > I'm just having one of those days, I guess. > > trypper -- Karl Boyken mailto:kboyken...t http://soli.inav.net/~kboyken Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 9:28 pm Subject: Re: Re: Remote Influencing greenmn900... Eva, Thanks. I'll try to contact her personally. If I can see it enough times personally, I don't need any scientific studies. I figure it would be like RV - you can't deny a daily experience, something that becomes part of your very existence. And I need to learn some kind of RH desperately. My wife has rheumatoid arthritis and sometimes she's in so much pain that we're both in tears - her from the pain and me from not neing able to help her in any way. I've tried several methods but so far I've found nothing that works. It's pretty rough sometimes. Thanks, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420 " Date: Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:12 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing stanley01420 --- In pjrv...oups.com, greenmn900...ote: > Eva, > Thanks. I'll try to contact her personally. If I can see it enough times > personally, I don't need any scientific studies. I figure it would be like > RV - you can't deny a daily experience, something that becomes part of your > very existence. > > And I need to learn some kind of RH desperately. My wife has rheumatoid > arthritis and sometimes she's in so much pain that we're both in tears - her > from the pain and me from not neing able to help her in any way. I've tried > several methods but so far I've found nothing that works. It's pretty rough > sometimes. > Thanks, > Don Want to try a RH for her, Don? Right now? Pick a day that you want her to go into permanent remission. trypper Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Thu Jan 30, 2003 7:49 pm Subject: Re: Remote Influencing-healing k9caninek9 Pru said at training we were free to teach her method to anyone we liked. I double checked yesterday to make sure it was OK with her though (it was) and so I will try to explain her method here. It's long to explain so I hope to get to it later tonight after wood shop. Another thing to consider is it's generally done blind or semiblind (ie you know it's a person but not who). You could also ask others to help you with it. The more sessions you do on the issue, the better. I have been told it is rather similar in many ways to the Silva method though. -E Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:39 pm Subject: Re: Re: Remote Influencing greenmn900... Trypper, You wrote: "That's because you think of it as just a healing thing and it's not." Then what else is it? If that's the only intention? You wrote: "I remember my friend telling me of instances where people were influenced to do things that they did not remember doing afterwards. Some of those were just inconsequential experiments but I suspect that some were not." It would take a hell of a lot to convince me that any of it was anything more than mere suggestion. And mere suggestion requires a desire to participate on the part of the person being influenced. Given that fact, is it even really suggestion? Best Regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420 " Date: Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:09 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing stanley01420 --- In pjrv...oups.com, greenmn900...ote: > Trypper, > You wrote: > "That's because you think of it as just a healing thing and it's not." > > Then what else is it? If that's the only intention? It's whatever it's being used for, that's what I'm saying. The intention is the factor. > > You wrote: > "I remember my friend telling me of instances where people were > influenced to do things that they did not remember doing > afterwards. > > Some of those were just inconsequential experiments but I > suspect that some were not." > > It would take a hell of a lot to convince me that any of it was anything more > than mere suggestion. And mere suggestion requires a desire to participate > on the part of the person being influenced. Given that fact, is it even > really suggestion? > Best Regards, > Don There is no contact between the subject and the person doing the RI. The subject doesn't know the person and has never met the person and has no contact whatsoever with the person. In most cases, the subject was totally unaware that an experiment was being conducted. trypper Reply | Forward

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From: "Viv" Date: Thu Jan 30, 2003 8:02 pm Subject: Re: Re: Remote Influencing eclecticviv Hi Kids: If one wants to influence someone, to do something in particular, sans RI, there is a very effective method, called NLP. As for the RI stuff, I was thinking about the comments about the scenario, of influencing a terrorist person, from his heinous, "designated goal". It would seem, RIing a person do do something that would end that person's life, would be difficult at best, and bad "karma" at it's worst. Also, there are always defence mechanisms in place, at a subconscious level, for most folks. A scenario where I knew for sure a person was intent on doing great harm to other's, and I had the skill to RI reasonably well, might have me considering an alternative to risking that person's life. It seem's it would be easier to RI the person to do something that is related to, or normal to their lifestyle. This would call for some personal info about that person, like, their favourite interests. This could be used to either delay a terrorist or detour from carrying out a horrible event. RI that person, to feel fed up, and not appreciated by peers. To feel so fed up he decides he wants no part of associates that don't appreciate how good he is. Decide he'd rather get drunk and go take a nap, or find a way to save money for something he likes, or get married to a neighborhood girl, he admired from afar. That kind of stuff. It could be something like RIing that person to feel the strong need to stop off on the way to the airport and play the video machines, to feel he has lots of time, to get so involved, passing time is forgotten, along with the original intent. RI that person to be distracted by something else, of interest, that will consume time in someway. Have that person feel overwhelmed, and to physically tired, to carry out the terroist plan. Viv* Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420 " Date: Sat Feb 1, 2003 9:31 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing stanley01420 --- In pjrv...oups.com, "Viv" Hi Kids: > > If one wants to influence someone, to do something in > particular, sans RI, there is a very effective method, called > NLP. Neuro Linguistic programming is talking someone into something. It's not a psychic process and involves direct communication in some manner with the subject. > As for the RI stuff, I was thinking about the comments > about the scenario, of influencing a terrorist person, from > his heinous, "designated goal". It would seem, RIing a > person do do something that would end that person's life, > would be difficult at best, and bad "karma" at it's worst. > Also, there are always defence mechanisms in place, at a > subconscious level, for most folks. Gee I'd love to see the scientific studies that prove that. > A scenario where I knew for sure a person was intent on > doing great harm to other's, and I had the skill to RI > reasonably well, might have me considering an alternative > to risking that person's life. > It seem's it would be easier to RI the person to do > something that is related to, or normal to their lifestyle. > This would call for some personal info about that person, > like, their favourite interests. This could be used to either > delay a terrorist or detour from carrying out a horrible > event. Viv... remote influencing is done during precog sessions. You don't know anything whatsoever about the subject you suddenly see. You have mere seconds to react. You don't have time to get into a debate with his programmed conscious mind. > RI that person, to feel fed up, and not appreciated by > peers. To feel so fed up he decides he wants no part of > associates that don't appreciate how good he is. Decide > he'd rather get drunk and go take a nap, or find a way to > save money for something he likes, or get married to a > neighborhood girl, he admired from afar. That kind of > stuff. > It could be something like RIing that person to feel the > strong need to stop off on the way to the airport and play > the video machines, to feel he has lots of time, to get so > involved, passing time is forgotten, along with the > original intent. > RI that person to be distracted by something else, of > interest, that will consume time in someway. Have that > person feel overwhelmed, and to physically tired, to carry > out the terroist plan. > > Viv* You're going to influence a trained, dedicated, obsessed terriorist to stop off and play video games or take a nap? Ok... I'm done... trypper Reply | Forward

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From: "Viv" Date: Sun Feb 2, 2003 1:27 am Subject: Re: Re: Remote Influencing eclecticviv On 1 Feb 2003 at 15:31, stanley01420 the.stanleys....net wrote: > --- In pjrv...oups.com, "Viv" > If one wants to influence someone, to do something in > > particular, sans RI, there is a very effective method, called NLP. > > Mary wrote: > Neuro Linguistic programming is talking someone into > something. It's not a psychic process and involves direct > communication in some manner with the subject. Viv replies: I am well aware what NLP is. Perhaps I wasn't clear. I wrote "sans RI". As in, without remote influencing. And since there was no other reference to any other psi process, then one is left with influencing another to do something in particular, by non-psi means. Thus, NLP was suggested. > > > Viv wrote: > > As for the RI stuff, I was thinking about the >comments > > about the scenario, of influencing a terrorist person, Mary replies: > Gee I'd love to see the scientific studies that prove that. Viv responds: Since this thread was a speculation about how one might RI a terrorist from carrying out a disaster, my comments were in keeping with the possible alternatives, other than "doing in", the terrorist. In light of that, what scientific studies are required to speculate? Mary wrote: > Viv... remote influencing is done during precog sessions. You > don't know anything whatsoever about the subject you suddenly > see. You have mere seconds to react. You don't have time to > get into a debate with his programmed conscious mind. Viv replies: But this isn't always the case. One's precog info could arrive through session, or naturally, with seconds to act, or days, or months. The speculation about remoteinfluencing a terrorist, to walk in front of a taxi implies more time than seconds. > > Mary wrote: > You're going to influence a trained, dedicated, obsessed > terriorist to stop off and play video games or take a nap? Viv replies: I guess that might depend a lot on how skilled, a person might become, with consistant RI practice. Viv* Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420 " Date: Mon Feb 3, 2003 9:06 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing stanley01420 --- In pjrv...oups.com, "Viv" Mary wrote: > > Viv... remote influencing is done during precog sessions. You > > don't know anything whatsoever about the subject you suddenly > > see. You have mere seconds to react. You don't have time to > > get into a debate with his programmed conscious mind. > > Viv replies: > > But this isn't always the case. One's precog info could > arrive through session, or naturally, with seconds to act, > or days, or months. The speculation about > remoteinfluencing a terrorist, to walk in front of a taxi > implies more time than seconds. It's natural whether it arrives in session or not and *in my opinion* that is always the case. The speculation doesn't imply more time than seconds. It has become obvious to me that what you practice as RI and what I know to be RI are two completely different things, therefore there is no point in discussing it anymore. We're not talking about the same thing. > Viv replies: > > I guess that might depend a lot on how skilled, a person > might become, with consistant RI practice. > > Viv* I guess you are far superior to me then. Therefore I shall bow out. trypper Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Sun Feb 2, 2003 2:14 pm Subject: Re: Remote Influencing k9caninek9 --- In pjrv...oups.com, "stanley01420 " > > You're going to influence a trained, dedicated, obsessed > terriorist to stop off and play video games or take a nap? > > Ok... I'm done... > > trypper Seems no harder than influencing him to kill himself, LOL! -E Rich comments: On the lighter side, I wish someone would RI our carpenter contracter to finish up the bathroom.... haven't seen him in three weeks. On the serious side..... has anyone seen any any sign of RI taking place in the actions of public figures? I would suppose the only hint would be unexpected, out of character actions. Actually, I don't see how RI could be detected. Only the RIer(s) would have knowledge... and their taskers. Seems like the perfect weapon. Rich Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420 " Date: Mon Feb 3, 2003 9:33 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing stanley01420 --- In pjrv...oups.com, "Eva " --- In pjrv...oups.com, "stanley01420 " > > > > You're going to influence a trained, dedicated, obsessed > > terriorist to stop off and play video games or take a nap? > > > > Ok... I'm done... > > > > trypper > > > Seems no harder than influencing him to kill himself, LOL! > -E You're not incluencing him to kill himself. He's in a hurry and distracted. .. oh never mind. > On the serious side..... has anyone seen any any sign of > RI taking place in the actions of public figures? I would > suppose the only hint would be unexpected, out of character > actions. Actually, I don't see how RI could be detected. > Only the RIer(s) would have knowledge... and their taskers. > Seems like the perfect weapon. > > Rich It is.. that's why no one wants to talk about it. trypper Reply | Forward

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From: "Viv" Date: Tue Feb 4, 2003 3:12 am Subject: Remote Influencing Rich's carpenter eclecticviv > Rich comments: > > On the lighter side, I wish someone would RI our carpenter > contracter to finish up the bathroom.... haven't seen > him in three weeks. > Hi Rich: This would make an excellent group project. RI your carpenter to want to get back to the unfinished job at your house. How do you want it approached? Should he be made to feel guilty for keeping a wonderful guy you waiting, or should we go for his ego. How about, he's suddenly has a strong desire to feel pride at getting a job, well done? What do you think? Viv* Rich responds: Strangely enough, he called Sunday night, all apologetic, etc and has vowed to return this coming Monday and subsequent days untill finished. Maybe he needs to be RIed to keep his promise. My greatest fear is that my wife will decide that I am capable of finishing the job myself. :) OOOOHhhh... RI her that that is not a good idea. :) Reply | Forward

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From: "Viv" Date: Tue Feb 4, 2003 10:05 pm Subject: Re: Remote Influencing Rich's carpenter eclecticviv O.K. You got it, Rich. For wife, it's better to let the professional person do the job. For the carpenter, a strong desire to complete the job, to the best his skills will allow. Now we'll see how well RI works for procrastinators in our secret experimental, RI lab. Viv* > Rich responds: > > Strangely enough, he called Sunday night, all apologetic, etc and > has vowed to return this coming Monday and subsequent days untill > finished. Maybe he needs to be RIed to keep his promise. > > My greatest fear is that my wife will decide that I am capable of > finishing the job myself. :) > > OOOOHhhh... RI her that that is not a good idea. :) > > > > > . > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > RV Oasis [pjrv] Practical Psi with PJ Gaenir > Subscribe: pjrv-subscribe...oups.com > Unsubscribe: pjrv-unsubscribe...oups.com > Visit Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pjrv/ > Firedocs RV: http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/ > Owner/Moderator: Email to PJ at pj...s.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Your success depends on knowing the right kind of rules and following them. ~W.D.Gann~ Reply | Forward

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From: "Linda & John Garvey" Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 11:11 pm Subject: Re: Re: Remote Influencing linda_g7us Mary, Actually, I don't think of remote influence as "just a healing thing." Sorry if I gave that impression. Obviously, the ability to connect with another person's (or animal's) mind and influence them can have many uses. Some I would consider quite good/beneficial, others very bad/abusive/destructive/unethical, and probably all points between. Just like ANY ability/power -- physical, mental, or psychic. Would I hesitate to use RI to heal, or save a person's or animal's life? No, I would not hestitate, anymore than I would hesitate to save a life using physical means (and I would not worry that "perhaps" this person might go on to become a serial killer or any such thing--which I certainly hope our doctors, paramedics, and firefighters don't start worrying about either, or we will all be in a lot of trouble, I think). There is also the possibility that this person might go on to do great, wonderful things for our society. More than likely, the person will simply go on to live their precious, if "ordinary", life, as most of us are fortunate to be doing. IMO, if we are in a situation where a life is at stake, deciding NOT to try to save that life is just as much "playing God" as deciding to go ahead and try to save it -- be it with RI or physically or any other conceivable way. Nor would I hesitate to use RI as a weapon for direct self-defense, just as one would use physical means. If I were being attacked, I would see no ethical problem with stopping the attacker in any way possible -- RI, martial arts, or just hitting the creep over the head with a lamp. In fact, IMO, maybe RI would be the "nicest" way. :) As far as using RI, or anything else, as experiments on people without their knowledge and consent, IMO this is unethical. Also, I personally would not be comfortable with remote VIEWING anybody without their knowledge/consent, anymore than I would be comfortable peeking in their windows, tapping into their phone conversations, or entering their homes uninvited (unless it were a true emergency situation, which are probably few and far between in most cases). Intrusiveness is intrusiveness, no matter how it's done. Also, the information gained by invading someone's privacy can be used to destroy them. In this sense, truthfully, it's hard for me to understand why RI is so controversial, yet RV doesn't seem to be. Each can be used for good, or bad -- depending on the intent. Just like any abiity, skill or power. To me, ethics are ethics -- physical, mental, or psi -- the same guidelines apply. And again, I feel we are just as reponsible for what we don't do, as we are for what we do. Linda G >That's because you think of it as just a healing thing and it's not. > >I remember my friend telling me of instances where people were >influenced to do things that they did not remember doing >afterwards. > >Some of those were just inconsequential experiments but I >suspect that some were not. > >Anyway... who knows.. it all comes down to opinion I guess. > >trypper > Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420 " Date: Sun Feb 2, 2003 8:25 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing stanley01420 --- In pjrv...oups.com, "Linda & John Garvey" . And again, I feel we are just as reponsible for what we don't do, as > we are for what we do. > > Linda G Good thing the justice system doesn't agree with you or we'd all be in jail. trypper pjrv : Messages : 2078-2292 of 4038
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From: "Scott Ellis " Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 12:17 pm Subject: Remote Influencing scottrver Hi All, Lyn Buchanan says some interesting things about remote influencing in interview clips at www.psiquest.net. (Go to Who We Are, Lyn's Q&A.) He says he won't teach it and not to go there. But he describes trying to RI his own past decision making and claims success - this is something I'd certainly like to try. He also discusses how remote healing is remote influencing. So how does one do remote influencing/healing? Is it simply setting one's intent for the desired outcome while in a meditative state? Scott Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 6:42 pm Subject: Re: Remote Healing docsavagebill Hi Scott, In remote healing intent is a major part..but only part of the picture. the other parts are making psychic contact and using energy along with intent to effect healing.I use a mix of methods taught by Rob Abbott and Pru ( although Rob indicates that he endorses Pru's methods also and it's a matter of what feels easiest) One first connects to an energy signature of the patient. I like to do this with a simple "gingerbread" drawing that I borrowed from Pru's method. I then a chacra to chackra energy link between the picture and the patient ( Robs method). Then I feel for the aura of the patient in the picture..and I try to remove auric signals deriving from disease or pain with my hand chackas ( Robs methods). Pru does it a little differently..she makes the picture and scans it psychically for disease and then writes her INTENT on the drawing and draws a line to the body part. She did that method on me blind ( not knowing it was me) and really pulled out information. Best Regards, Bill --- "Scott Ellis " wrote: > > So how does one do remote influencing/healing? Is > it simply setting > one's intent for the desired outcome while in a > meditative state? > > Scott > Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 7:13 pm Subject: Re: Remote Healing greenmn900... Bill, Hi. I'll ask the same thing I asked Tunde about Pru. Does Rob have any documented evidence for success under controls? - other than anechdotes? There are many healing methods but I've never seen convincing evidence for any of them. I have a personal interst in this so I'm looking for anything that's documented. Thanks. Best Regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: Rfjuice... Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:27 am Subject: Re: Remote Healing rfjuice2000 Hi Don, I have many questions on healing as well. A few times I had success on muscular injuries on myself, and it would be interesting to learn more. I had read a book on it a while back, so had a vague idea of how to go about it. I think we need to be in the same "zone" to do healing as to do rv. As a matter of fact, I have an injury now, I should be experimenting on. But it seems there is always something more interesting to rv :) take care, Linda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:07 pm Subject: Re: Remote Healing sharwebb_30512 Linda, Why put limits on what you do? Why on earth would you think you need to be in the same time zone to heal or do RV? Time is an artificial construct. Sharon sharwebb...net www.fractalus.com/sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: Rfjuice... Hi Don, I have many questions on healing as well. A few times I had success on muscular injuries on myself, and it would be interesting to learn more. I had read a book on it a while back, so had a vague idea of how to go about it. I think we need to be in the same "zone" to do healing as to do rv. As a matter of fact, I have an injury now, I should be experimenting on. But it seems there is always something more interesting to rv :) take care, Linda Reply | Forward

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From: Rfjuice... Date: Wed Jan 29, 2003 7:35 am Subject: Re: Remote Healing rfjuice2000 Hi Sharon, I wasn't referring to a "time" zone, I meant the meditational state that I use for rv. Sorry, I guess I should have been more clear. Linda Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:43 pm Subject: Re: Remote Healing greenmn900... Hi Sharon, I know I shouldn't really be trying to speak for Linda, but I think she's referring to the same altered state of consciosuness when she uses the word "zone". I use it that way a lot. I don't think she is referring to time zones, but i could be wrong. Best Regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: Karl Boyken Date: Sat Feb 8, 2003 9:07 pm Subject: Re: Remote Healing kboyken Hi, Glyn. Remote healing doesn't need mental contact, or diagnosis, or medical expertise, I feel. It can occur by opening up to healing energy from some source greater than the ego, and then just making yourself available to that energy and letting it work through you. The beauty of it is that it requires no medical expertise, no mental involvement. You just step aside and let the energy do the work. Karl Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Fri Feb 14, 2003 4:19 pm Subject: Re: Remote Healing greenmn900... De, You wrote: "My understanding and experience with working with energy to facilitate healing is that the 'healer' is only a conduit, a person with an ability to create an opening for the client to heal themselves. When a healing doesn't take, then there is still the choice of the client as to whether or not he or she is willing to heal. Now this choice could be either consciously, subconsciously or superconsciously(soul level)." Of course, you wrote a lot more than this but I didn't want to copy all of it. You brought up some very good points to consider and just about everything you mentioned feels right to me. In any case of illness, or any negative aspects in life, we can never be sure what really brings them about. It very well could be that a thing like this is a choice made at a soul level that we are not familiar with in this space and time. The only sad part to this is that it's cold comfort to those of us watching it happen in this space and time. It's difficult to deal with. Best Regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 8:12 pm Subject: Re: Remote Influencing k9caninek9 Well maybe he changed his mind because I learned it from him at the PSI conference last summer as did all the other attendees. I have no way of knowing if he left out anything though, unless I RV it. ;-) -E --- In pjrv...oups.com, "Scott Ellis " Hi All, > > Lyn Buchanan says some interesting things about remote influencing in > interview clips at www.psiquest.net. (Go to Who We Are, Lyn's Q&A.) > He says he won't teach it and not to go there. Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420 " Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 9:45 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing stanley01420 --- In pjrv...oups.com, "Scott Ellis " Hi All, > > > So how does one do remote influencing/healing? Is it simply setting > one's intent for the desired outcome while in a meditative state? > > Scott There's more than one kind of remote influencing/healing. For me it was always a precognitive process... hence lies the "don't go there" warning. How can one figure out whether one is making a positive change? What might appear to be a positive change (healing for instance) might have a negative long term effect of some sort that the viewer missed. The most common example is "healing the child Adolph Hitler. Any way you look at it, it can be perceived as playing God and that makes us all uncomfortable. I almost think that it HAS to be a precognitive process... trypper Reply | Forward

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From: Karl Boyken Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 12:13 pm Subject: Re: Re: Remote Influencing kboyken What is "positive"? What is "negative"? I feel that all I can do is leave that up to something bigger than myself to decide. If I facilitate healing with the intent of healing in some larger sense, then I don't see how the outcome can be "bad." I don't feel that healers play god. A healer doesn't actually do the healing; she gets herself out of the way and lets whatever is the source of healing work through her. Then it's god playing god, not the healer. Karl Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420 " Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:02 am Subject: Re: Remote Influencing stanley01420 --- In pjrv...oups.com, Karl Boyken What is "positive"? What is "negative"? I feel that all I can do is leave > that up to something bigger than myself to decide. If I facilitate healing > with the intent of healing in some larger sense, then I don't see how the > outcome can be "bad." > > I don't feel that healers play god. A healer doesn't actually do the healing; > she gets herself out of the way and lets whatever is the source of healing work > through her. Then it's god playing god, not the healer. > > Karl Yes Karl, intent means assuming full responsibility for the intention. That's part of the focus. We can't intend something and then cop out by saying .. oh well I'm not really doing this.. God is. I mean sure, God may be doing everything but then... what role does the healer actually play in all this anyway? Why not just live his or her life and just let God handle it in the first place? I'm just having one of those days, I guess. trypper

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