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pjrv : Messages : 688-692 of 4038
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#688

From: "PJ Gaenir" Date: Sat Sep 21, 2002 12:40 am Subject: Recent Thoughts. dennanm Hi you guys, Yes, I know you didn't ask, but as usual I'm going to share 'thoughts I bothered to write down the last month or so' with you anyway. :-) Reality: Unique Instance of an Archetype Fleas, precog pain, why they bite where Sugar and physical vs. energy body 'Things' vs. Energy as First-Form in psi Grafting to a familiar pattern Replicating to locality *** Someone asked me if RVing the tooth fairy was viewing an "archetype". I said without thinking, "RVing your kitchen table is viewing an archetype - just one particular "instance" of that archetypal form." Then 10 minutes later I thought, "Hey wait a minute. What did I just say? Why did I say that?" I can't remember thinking about it consciously. But I wonder if on some level it could be so. *** I wonder why fleas choose to bite some specific spot. I felt this little biting pain, and looked down at my foot, and there was nothing there. "Hmmmn," I thought, "Phantom pain!" Just then, a flea jumped onto me and bit me EXACTLY there. Precog pain?? Or did I call it somehow? Or was I responding to some tiny little spark in the nervous system that subconsciously my body knew would 'light up' and likely draw a flea?? *** Sugar acts like a poison when you do kinesiology. Always makes ya weak. If you wake up feeling bad and have donuts for breakfast, you're doomed -- sugar really seems to depress the immune system and so forth. Not to mention fleas really LOVE you if you eat too much sugar. Did I mention the damned fleas. Ha ha. But I wonder. How does diet affecting my body, affect my energy body, etc.? If I do a big dose of sugar that clearly affects my body, am I energetically -- even 'psychically' -- more vulnerable, of lower immunity, right then? *** [excerpt from pem] It suddenly occurs to me that I have stumbled on to a critically important question about remote viewing. Which is: Why do I assume that 'what I get' from a target is a 'thing'? I thought about this awhile. We seem to expect a "THING" to be transferred to us in psi work, which is really quite a funny assumption, given without the base assumption that everything is energy first, form/identity second, psi likely wouldn't be possible. The problem is, given everything is energy, then say you remote view a target which is a playground. Well, the energy of the slide, the swings, the grass, the dirt, the trees, the children, the parents, the fun, the construction, not to mention the past and present at that location, are just a big pot of boiling stew-- energy. And the energy-info we access may be, 10% slide, 2% swings, 8% grass, and so on -- we get "one bowl" of stew and it has a little bit of every ingredient! -- E.g., we might expect a slide, or a sense of fun to come in as data -- I think our mind just below the conscious level is sorting through this stew looking for patterns -- 'aha! a sense of fun, I recognize that!' -- and maybe we get that little detail. We get it ALL, the whole gamut of energy, but our mind is trying to "Find Waldo" for us... "I taste garlic salt.... oregano... maybe the faintest hint of rosemary...? -- definitely there's a chunk of carrot here... the beef stock tastes canned... another carrot, and either a potato or turnip tidbit but the way it's so cooked I can't really tell..." Some people have amazing palates and they can take a small sip of soup and tell you everything in it and, as a chef, recreate the percentages, to where the original cook would not be able to tell the difference. Most people can figure out the carrots, beef and garlic (like "gestalts" in RV), but frankly, anything more than that is hard and varies wildly per person, per target. Maybe there is no such thing as not getting a target. Maybe we always get the energy if we focus, there is only such thing as not being able to decipher the ingredients or having a cold that day so our taste is off or absent, as an allegory. On paper, you get it or don't, but conceptually, the idea that one always has the full combined energy of the target in them, and it is only "unwinding it from yourself" as I have put it before, that is the issue. *** [excerpt from pem] I believe that "consciousness is an organizing principle" as I said in Bewilderness near the end and as Dean Radin said in his fairly recent book but I bet he gets taken more seriously, LOL. I believe that the act of paying attention to something brings an enormous and exponential increase to its synchronic state (did I just make that term up??) with any other given thing which one may be associating with it (or failing any deliberate association, with any random or non-random combination of things wafting through one's non- conscious processes). So if a pot of beans is boiling out of sight in the kitchen, it is just boiling. It may or may not be affected by external variables but who knows and who cares. But if I go look to that pot of boiling beans, while thinking about a current dilemma, some part of me looking for an 'answer' to a given aspect of things, I believe that those boiling beans will actually become that answer I seek -- that the patterns or sequences will synchronize with my attention (my attention to 'solution' or 'explanation'). I believe this happens whether or not I know it, actually, but happens exponentially more literally if I accept that it is. Then, it is just a matter of whether, like those "Magic Eye" 3-D pictures, I am actually able to 'let my control' slip enough that I can properly unfocus or focus "past" the pictures, let my deeper mind (some would say SC, I just mean the massive info processing abilities the overall mind has that the conscious intellect doesn't) work out the actual pattern *__and graft it onto a pattern of insight, logic or experience that my conscious mind has__*. GRAFT onto an existing pattern. It has to find a pattern within us to match. Like the many experiences I had during the Bewilderness years that I was fully aware of, conscious during, yet could not bring one word to afterward, because literally, it just didn't translate. There was just no correlate in my mind to approximate it, to it stayed "below the verbal level" for me. I often met entities that had that effect, sometimes, meeting them often enough, I could finally "hold their pattern" and remember them. I thought this was silly for awhile until I read about some research that said babies have to see things more than once before their mind can hold the pattern of a new thing. I believe this is what psi does. I believe our intent to access the energy is fully workable, but then our intent to actually make sense of it is another story -- I think on a fundamental level, we look for what best matches in our concept of familiarity. I think that looking into the pot of boiling beans -- or bones, or runes, or entrails, or tea leaves, or tarot cards, or I-Ching sticks, or any other thing or process, is really not too much different than RV fundamentally (energy-wise) -- -- the primary difference is that outside RV, all forms of divination I can think of, actually attempt to *translate or replicate the non- local into local form, and then to intuitively (half-non-locally) interpret the local form*." I never thought of that before, but it really is true. RV is like the non-local non-local, lol. Most everything else deliberately creates some form of 'translate or replicate non-local to local', then "inquire into" the local energy. RV simply attempts to interpret the non-local without ever going through the middle step of recreating some holographic pattern our bodies can in some way experience. Palyne Reply | Forward

#692

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Mon Sep 23, 2002 9:54 am Subject: Re: Recent Thoughts. docsavagebill Hi PJ, > Sugar acts like a poison when you do kinesiology. > Always makes ya > weak.... > Rob always puts his cancer patients on a low sugar diet to stimulate the immune system. I wonder if this has been meausred medically, and what the mechanism is? Diabetics get essentially poisoned by too high a blood sugar, and I know of one normally talented psi person who reported a severe loss of psi sensitivity when their blood sugar got too high. Although the hypoglycemia that follows eating sugar in people without diabetes could also affect both the immune system and the energy body.
~~--------ArchivedPostFollows_Yahoo-PJRV_group---------------------------- Interesting ideas about the energy first idea also. When doing an ideogram, if you feel it with your hand you will feel an energy form on the paper.. with a little practice you can even get an energy shape that may have something to do with the RV. Dowsing comes to mind as something that is totally dependent on getting an energy "pull" .. so why not RV? I think of scrying for instance as the brain restructuring and reorganizing random visual stimuli into a pattern that has been imprinted on the more primitive brain by psi. The brain itself is now known to recieve sense input as a mixture or stew of impulses , which are only translated later into an ordered picture by some mysterious process associated with "paying attention" at some point in the temporal lobes. In fact the Right Angular Gyrus in the temporal lobe, which was recently implicated in OBE's (neurologists stimulating the area with electric impulses triggered OBE-like experiences) has that as one of its suspected functions.... Best Regards, Bill pjrv : Messages : 690-693 of 4038
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#690

From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Sat Sep 21, 2002 10:58 am Subject: Re: Recent Thoughts. sharwebb_30512 Palyne, I'm SURE you're right. Your theory really resonates with me. What is always tricky for me, is to discern what is on subject and what isn't. I'll give you an example. A friend in Thailand asked for a reading, and wanted to know some specifics about his career. Right in the middle of all this, I "saw" a tall cone-shaped cup filled with a disgusting thick green poisonous-looking liquid. I thought it was a symbol. Perhaps a sign of a rival waiting to figuratively "poison" this man. But, I told him exactly what I had seen. And he said, "Sounds like the green apple slushie I had about forty-five minutes ago." Sharon sharwebb...net www.fractalus.com/sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: PJ Gaenir To: pjrv...oups.com Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 1:40 AM Subject: [pjrv] Recent Thoughts. Hi you guys, Yes, I know you didn't ask, but as usual I'm going to share 'thoughts I bothered to write down the last month or so' with you anyway. :-) Reality: Unique Instance of an Archetype Fleas, precog pain, why they bite where Sugar and physical vs. energy body 'Things' vs. Energy as First-Form in psi Grafting to a familiar pattern Replicating to locality *** Someone asked me if RVing the tooth fairy was viewing an "archetype". I said without thinking, "RVing your kitchen table is viewing an archetype - just one particular "instance" of that archetypal form." Then 10 minutes later I thought, "Hey wait a minute. What did I just say? Why did I say that?" I can't remember thinking about it consciously. But I wonder if on some level it could be so. *** I wonder why fleas choose to bite some specific spot. I felt this little biting pain, and looked down at my foot, and there was nothing there. "Hmmmn," I thought, "Phantom pain!" Just then, a flea jumped onto me and bit me EXACTLY there. Precog pain?? Or did I call it somehow? Or was I responding to some tiny little spark in the nervous system that subconsciously my body knew would 'light up' and likely draw a flea?? *** Sugar acts like a poison when you do kinesiology. Always makes ya weak. If you wake up feeling bad and have donuts for breakfast, you're doomed -- sugar really seems to depress the immune system and so forth. Not to mention fleas really LOVE you if you eat too much sugar. Did I mention the damned fleas. Ha ha. But I wonder. How does diet affecting my body, affect my energy body, etc.? If I do a big dose of sugar that clearly affects my body, am I energetically -- even 'psychically' -- more vulnerable, of lower immunity, right then? *** [excerpt from pem] It suddenly occurs to me that I have stumbled on to a critically important question about remote viewing. Which is: Why do I assume that 'what I get' from a target is a 'thing'? I thought about this awhile. We seem to expect a "THING" to be transferred to us in psi work, which is really quite a funny assumption, given without the base assumption that everything is energy first, form/identity second, psi likely wouldn't be possible. The problem is, given everything is energy, then say you remote view a target which is a playground. Well, the energy of the slide, the swings, the grass, the dirt, the trees, the children, the parents, the fun, the construction, not to mention the past and present at that location, are just a big pot of boiling stew-- energy. And the energy-info we access may be, 10% slide, 2% swings, 8% grass, and so on -- we get "one bowl" of stew and it has a little bit of every ingredient! -- SNIP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

#691

From: "Glyn" Date: Sun Sep 22, 2002 4:17 am Subject: Re: Recent Thoughts. gebega Hi Sharon, I "saw" a tall cone-shaped cup filled with a disgusting thick green poisonous-looking liquid. I thought it was a symbol. Perhaps a sign of a rival waiting to figuratively "poison" this man. > > But, I told him exactly what I had seen. > > And he said, "Sounds like the green apple slushie I had about forty-five minutes ago." ...................... Something so mundane, so ordinary, but at least it was real Sharon......no sky-piloting, no beating about the bush.....it was reality! At the end of the long trail, after wading grimly through the tall grass of RV mystique, myth and imaginings.....right at the centre, just sitting there in all it's glory, we all find our 'slushie'. If we're lucky that is....... . RV...the tool for knowing what is what......if only we first know what is not! ........I'm feeling really frustrated with my RV lately...can't you tell? :-) I need some hits. Some slushies! Good on you Sharon, Grins from, Glyn Reply | Forward

#693

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 4:50 pm Subject: Re: Rhymes and tasking and spells and stuff docsavagebill Hello All, I had a dream experience recently where I was told that I could become Clairaudient and listen in on others thoughts, if I would recite a rhyming ditty that more or less affirmed I could. Something like "Ear ear, keen and sharp.. Hear hear far and near... blah blah blah" In the dream at least it worked gangbusters. After repeating the ditty. I could suddenly hear a person talking to me just like regular converstation..I very seldom ever have heard a voice in a dreams and never this clearly. This raises the question of whether Rhyme is a magic way to make our tasking instructions reach a deeper level of influence in our subconcious. All the ancient traditions use rhyming spells etc. to task with. The intuitive side of the brain, may be much more receptive to Rhyme Rhythm than Reason. Best Regards, Bill

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