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#688 
	From: "PJ Gaenir" 
Date: Sat Sep 21, 2002 12:40 am
Subject: Recent Thoughts. 	dennanm

  	  	

Hi you guys,

Yes, I know you didn't ask, but as usual I'm going to share 'thoughts
I bothered to write down the last month or so' with you anyway. :-)

Reality: Unique Instance of an Archetype

Fleas, precog pain, why they bite where

Sugar and physical vs. energy body

'Things' vs. Energy as First-Form in psi

Grafting to a familiar pattern

Replicating to locality

***

Someone asked me if RVing the tooth fairy was viewing an "archetype".
I said without thinking, "RVing your kitchen table is viewing an
archetype - just one particular "instance" of that archetypal form."
Then 10 minutes later I thought, "Hey wait a minute.  What did I just
say?  Why did I say that?"  I can't remember thinking about it
consciously.  But I wonder if on some level it could be so.

***

I wonder why fleas choose to bite some specific spot.  I felt this
little biting pain, and looked down at my foot, and there was nothing
there.  "Hmmmn," I thought, "Phantom pain!" Just then, a flea jumped
onto me and bit me EXACTLY there.  Precog pain??  Or did I call it
somehow?  Or was I responding to some tiny little spark in the
nervous system that subconsciously my body knew would 'light up' and
likely draw a flea??

***

Sugar acts like a poison when you do kinesiology.  Always makes ya
weak.  If you wake up feeling bad and have donuts for breakfast,
you're doomed -- sugar really seems to depress the immune system and
so forth.  Not to mention fleas really LOVE you if you eat too much
sugar.  Did I mention the damned fleas.  Ha ha.  But I wonder. How
does diet affecting my body, affect my energy body, etc.?  If I do a
big dose of sugar that clearly affects my body, am I energetically --
even 'psychically' -- more vulnerable, of lower immunity, right then?

***

[excerpt from pem]

It suddenly occurs to me that I have stumbled on to a critically
important question about remote viewing.  Which is: Why do I assume
that 'what I get' from a target is a 'thing'?  I thought about this
awhile.

We seem to expect a "THING" to be transferred to us in psi work,
which is really quite a funny assumption, given without the base
assumption that everything is energy first, form/identity second, psi
likely wouldn't be possible.

The problem is, given everything is energy, then say you remote view
a target which is a playground.  Well, the energy of the slide, the
swings, the grass, the dirt, the trees, the children, the parents,
the fun, the construction, not to mention the past and present at
that location, are just a big pot of boiling stew-- energy.

And the energy-info we access may be, 10% slide, 2% swings, 8% grass,
and so on -- we get "one bowl" of stew and it has a little bit of
every ingredient! --

E.g., we might expect a slide, or a sense of fun to come in as data --
  I think our mind just below the conscious level is sorting through
this stew looking for patterns -- 'aha! a sense of fun, I recognize
that!' -- and maybe we get that little detail.  We get it ALL, the
whole gamut of energy, but our mind is trying to "Find Waldo" for
us...

"I taste garlic salt.... oregano... maybe the faintest hint of
rosemary...? -- definitely there's a chunk of carrot here... the beef
stock tastes canned... another carrot, and either a potato or turnip
tidbit but the way it's so cooked I can't really tell..."  Some
people have amazing palates and they can take a small sip of soup and
tell you everything in it and, as a chef, recreate the percentages,
to where the original cook would not be able to tell the difference.
Most people can figure out the carrots, beef and garlic
(like "gestalts" in RV), but frankly, anything more than that is hard
and varies wildly per person, per target.

Maybe there is no such thing as not getting a target.  Maybe we
always get the energy if we focus, there is only such thing as not
being able to decipher the ingredients or having a cold that day so
our taste is off or absent, as an allegory.  On paper, you get it or
don't, but conceptually, the idea that one always has the full
combined energy of the target in them, and it is only "unwinding it
from yourself" as I have put it before, that is the issue.

***

[excerpt from pem]

I believe that "consciousness is an organizing principle" as I said
in Bewilderness near the end and as Dean Radin said in his fairly
recent book but I bet he gets taken more seriously, LOL.

I believe that the act of paying attention to something brings an
enormous and exponential increase to its synchronic state (did I just
make that term up??) with any other given thing which one may be
associating with it (or failing any deliberate association, with any
random or non-random combination of things wafting through one's non-
conscious processes).

So if a pot of beans is boiling out of sight in the kitchen, it is
just boiling.  It may or may not be affected by external variables
but who knows and who cares.

But if I go look to that pot of boiling beans, while thinking about a
current dilemma, some part of me looking for an 'answer' to a given
aspect of things, I believe that those boiling beans will actually
become that answer I seek -- that the patterns or sequences will
synchronize with my attention (my attention to 'solution'
or 'explanation'). I believe this happens whether or not I know it,
actually, but happens exponentially more literally if I accept that
it is.

Then, it is just a matter of whether, like those "Magic Eye" 3-D
pictures, I am actually able to 'let my control' slip enough that I
can properly unfocus or focus "past" the pictures, let my deeper mind
(some would say SC, I just mean the massive info processing abilities
the overall mind has that the conscious intellect doesn't) work out
the actual pattern *__and graft it onto a pattern of insight, logic
or experience that my conscious mind has__*.

GRAFT onto an existing pattern.  It has to find a pattern within us
to match.  Like the many experiences I had during the Bewilderness
years that I was fully aware of, conscious during, yet could not
bring one word to afterward, because literally, it just didn't
translate.  There was just no correlate in my mind to approximate it,
to it stayed "below the verbal level" for me.  I often met entities
that had that effect, sometimes, meeting them often enough, I could
finally "hold their pattern" and remember them.  I thought this was
silly for awhile until I read about some research that said babies
have to see things more than once before their mind can hold the
pattern of a new thing.

I believe this is what psi does.  I believe our intent to access  the
energy is fully workable, but then our intent to actually make sense
of it is another story -- I think on a fundamental level, we look for
what best matches in our concept of familiarity.

I think that looking into the pot of boiling beans -- or bones, or
runes, or entrails, or tea leaves, or tarot cards, or I-Ching sticks,
or any other thing or process, is really not too much different than
RV fundamentally (energy-wise) --

-- the primary difference is that outside RV, all forms of divination
I can think of, actually attempt to *translate or replicate the non-
local into local form, and then to intuitively (half-non-locally)
interpret the local form*."

I never thought of that before, but it really is true.  RV is like
the non-local non-local, lol.  Most everything else deliberately
creates some form of 'translate or replicate non-local to local',
then "inquire into" the local energy.

RV simply attempts to interpret the non-local without ever going
through the middle step of recreating some holographic pattern our
bodies can in some way experience.

Palyne

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#692 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Mon Sep 23, 2002 9:54 am
Subject: Re: Recent Thoughts. 	docsavagebill

  	  	

Hi PJ,

> Sugar acts like a poison when you do kinesiology.
> Always makes ya
> weak....
>

Rob always puts his cancer patients on a low sugar
diet to stimulate the immune system. I wonder if this
has been meausred medically, and what the mechanism
is? Diabetics get essentially poisoned by too high a
blood sugar, and I know of one normally talented psi
person who reported a severe  loss of psi sensitivity
when their blood sugar got too high. Although the
hypoglycemia that follows eating sugar in people
without diabetes could also affect both the immune
system and the energy body.

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Interesting ideas about the energy first idea also.
When doing an ideogram, if you feel it with your hand
you will feel an energy form on the paper.. with a
little practice you can even get an energy shape that
may have something to do with the RV.

Dowsing comes to mind as something that is totally
dependent on getting an energy "pull" .. so why not
RV?
  I think of scrying for instance as the brain
restructuring and reorganizing random  visual stimuli
into a pattern that has been imprinted on the more
primitive brain by psi.

The brain itself is now known to recieve sense input
as a mixture or stew of impulses , which are only
translated later into an ordered picture by some
mysterious process associated with "paying attention"
at some point in the temporal lobes. In fact the Right
Angular Gyrus in the temporal lobe, which was recently
implicated in OBE's (neurologists stimulating the area
with electric impulses triggered OBE-like experiences)
has that as one of its suspected functions....

Best Regards,

Bill

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#690 
	From: "Sharon Webb" 
Date: Sat Sep 21, 2002 10:58 am
Subject: Re: Recent Thoughts. 	sharwebb_30512

  	  	

Palyne,

I'm SURE you're right.  Your theory really resonates with me.

What is always tricky for me, is to discern what is on subject and what isn't. 
I'll give you an example.  A friend in Thailand asked for a reading, and wanted
to know some specifics about his career.  Right in the middle of all this, I
"saw" a tall cone-shaped cup filled with a disgusting thick green
poisonous-looking liquid.  I thought it was a symbol.  Perhaps a sign of a rival
waiting to figuratively "poison" this man.

But, I told him exactly what I had seen.

And he said, "Sounds like the green apple slushie I had about forty-five minutes
ago."

Sharon
sharwebb...net
www.fractalus.com/sharon

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PJ Gaenir
   To: pjrv...oups.com
   Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 1:40 AM
   Subject: [pjrv] Recent Thoughts.

   Hi you guys,

   Yes, I know you didn't ask, but as usual I'm going to share 'thoughts
   I bothered to write down the last month or so' with you anyway. :-)

   Reality: Unique Instance of an Archetype

   Fleas, precog pain, why they bite where

   Sugar and physical vs. energy body

   'Things' vs. Energy as First-Form in psi

   Grafting to a familiar pattern

   Replicating to locality

   ***

   Someone asked me if RVing the tooth fairy was viewing an "archetype".
   I said without thinking, "RVing your kitchen table is viewing an
   archetype - just one particular "instance" of that archetypal form."
   Then 10 minutes later I thought, "Hey wait a minute.  What did I just
   say?  Why did I say that?"  I can't remember thinking about it
   consciously.  But I wonder if on some level it could be so.

   ***

   I wonder why fleas choose to bite some specific spot.  I felt this
   little biting pain, and looked down at my foot, and there was nothing
   there.  "Hmmmn," I thought, "Phantom pain!" Just then, a flea jumped
   onto me and bit me EXACTLY there.  Precog pain??  Or did I call it
   somehow?  Or was I responding to some tiny little spark in the
   nervous system that subconsciously my body knew would 'light up' and
   likely draw a flea??

   ***

   Sugar acts like a poison when you do kinesiology.  Always makes ya
   weak.  If you wake up feeling bad and have donuts for breakfast,
   you're doomed -- sugar really seems to depress the immune system and
   so forth.  Not to mention fleas really LOVE you if you eat too much
   sugar.  Did I mention the damned fleas.  Ha ha.  But I wonder. How
   does diet affecting my body, affect my energy body, etc.?  If I do a
   big dose of sugar that clearly affects my body, am I energetically --
   even 'psychically' -- more vulnerable, of lower immunity, right then?

   ***

   [excerpt from pem]

   It suddenly occurs to me that I have stumbled on to a critically
   important question about remote viewing.  Which is: Why do I assume
   that 'what I get' from a target is a 'thing'?  I thought about this
   awhile.

   We seem to expect a "THING" to be transferred to us in psi work,
   which is really quite a funny assumption, given without the base
   assumption that everything is energy first, form/identity second, psi
   likely wouldn't be possible.

   The problem is, given everything is energy, then say you remote view
   a target which is a playground.  Well, the energy of the slide, the
   swings, the grass, the dirt, the trees, the children, the parents,
   the fun, the construction, not to mention the past and present at
   that location, are just a big pot of boiling stew-- energy.

   And the energy-info we access may be, 10% slide, 2% swings, 8% grass,
   and so on -- we get "one bowl" of stew and it has a little bit of
   every ingredient! --

   SNIP

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#691 
	From: "Glyn" 
Date: Sun Sep 22, 2002 4:17 am
Subject: Re: Recent Thoughts. 	gebega

  	  	

Hi Sharon,


I "saw" a tall cone-shaped cup filled with a disgusting thick green
poisonous-looking liquid.  I thought it was a symbol.  Perhaps a sign of a
rival waiting to figuratively "poison" this man.
>
> But, I told him exactly what I had seen.
>
> And he said, "Sounds like the green apple slushie I had about forty-five
minutes ago."

......................
Something so mundane, so ordinary, but at least it was real Sharon......no
sky-piloting, no beating about the bush.....it was reality!

At the end of the long trail, after wading grimly through the tall grass of
RV mystique, myth and imaginings.....right at the centre, just sitting there
in all it's glory, we all find our 'slushie'. If we're lucky that is.......
.

RV...the tool for knowing what is what......if only we first know what is
not!
........I'm feeling really frustrated with my RV lately...can't you tell?
:-)
I need some hits. Some slushies!

Good on you Sharon,
Grins from,
Glyn

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#693 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Thu Sep 26, 2002 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: Rhymes and tasking and spells and stuff 	docsavagebill

  	  	

Hello All,

I had a dream experience recently where I was told
that I could become Clairaudient and listen in on
others thoughts, if I would recite a rhyming ditty
that more or less affirmed I could. Something like

"Ear ear,  keen and sharp..

Hear hear far and near...

blah blah blah"

  In the dream at least it worked gangbusters. After
repeating the ditty. I could suddenly hear a person
talking to me just like regular converstation..I very
seldom ever have heard a voice  in a dreams and never
this clearly.

This raises the question of whether Rhyme is a magic
way to make our tasking instructions reach a deeper
level of influence in our subconcious. All the ancient
traditions use rhyming spells etc. to task with. The
intuitive side of the brain, may be much more
receptive to Rhyme Rhythm  than Reason.

Best Regards,

Bill