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pjrv : Messages : 2383-2390 of 4038
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From: "stanley01420" Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 7:56 am Subject: Pru's 'Hundredth Monkey' phenomenon stanley01420 >"The 'Hundredth Monkey' phenomenon is a description of a type >of emergent behavior. It means that when a limited number of >people learn a new behavior, it may remain the conscious >property of these people. But there isa point at which if only one >more person learns the new behavior, the consciousness field >is strengthened so that this new awareness is picked up >by almost everyone. Some remote viewers feel this principle is >in effect within the field of remote viewing, and increasing >individual awareness of the validity of remote viewing is >creating a phenomenon where it is becoming easier to learn >and recognize remote viewing abilities." This observation of Pru's seems to describe the whole movement within the rv community to "create a new paradigm" in which everyone has the abiltity to use their remote viewing abilities. I wonder why she now sees this as a negative? She makes some valid points regarding "a distributed intelligence network with potentially new and as yet unknown emergent properties." But why would the following questions cause her to shut down? One would think that they would inspire curiousity. > What if there was more to Remote Viewing than what is > commonly known? What if there was added dimension? > What if there was an explanation for all of the extraneous > information in a Remote Viewing session? > What if someone,somewhere got the whole picture? > What if it wasn't Remote Viewing at all but something else? > Quantum Viewing may be a more appropriate term. trypper ------------------------ Moderator's note: Not to quibble, but there is no official 100th Monkey Phenomenon; it is a THEORY. When subjected to scrutiny over the legitimacy of the research that brought about the concept, it was admitted that really, it was not valid, but it didn't need to be because it was just a theory. However, it's a nice theory. When not referred to as if it's a given. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 10:24 am Subject: Re: Pru's 'Hundredth Monkey' phenomenon stanley01420 > Moderator's note: Not to quibble, but there is no official 100th >Monkey Phenomenon; it is a THEORY. When subjected to >scrutiny over the legitimacy of the research that brought about >the concept, it was admitted that really, it was not valid, but it >didn't need to be because it was just a theory. However, it's a >nice theory. When not referred to as if it's a given. -- PJ Well they observed this event happening, PJ. How can it be said that it's not valid unless they know what actually did cause the phenominon? It's a theory because they can't explain it. But unless they have provided an explanation to refute this particular theory or even provide an alternative theory then it doesn't seem fair to say that it's not valid. That doesn't make sense to me anyway. But.. I'm no scientist. trypper --------------------- Moderator's note: Hi Mary. The 'phenomenon' was first documented by Lyall Watson. The story was that there were all these monkeys on this one tiny island, and one of the monkeys was taught to wash food I think it was (my memory blurs here), a certain way, a sort of "use of tool" concept. Watson claimed that once a certain number of the monkeys on this island beganning doing this, that spontaneously monkeys on the OTHER island(s) began doing this as well. (This was his example of something that is often confused with (but is not the same thing as) Sheldrake's "Morphic Resonance" theory.) Scientifically, had these monkeys been entirely separate, that would have been pretty interesting. It was critically reviewed and the place in question shown that the monkey(s) on the trained island actually easily swam to the other one regularly and back and forth, meaning they physically taught others there just like they had on their own island, so no psychic/cosmic/energy-field was required or proven. Watson then responded essentially that ok, perhaps it wasn't a scientific experiment, but that he had merely used this example to illustrate his theory. However, that part didn't get much writeup by the same media that promoted Watson's initial claims, and by that time, the "100th Monkey Phenomenon" had already become quite popularly known. If you do a search on the web you can find more accurate and detailed info about this as well as about the difference between this and Sheldrake's theory. Everyone I know -- and me -- likes the theory. And empirically and quite unscientifically, I think there is something to it. It has not yet been demonstrated under any controlled conditions that I know of though. That doesn't mean we can't talk about it or assume it's true if we want. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 11:39 am Subject: Re: Pru's 'Hundredth Monkey' phenomenon stanley01420 Hi PJ, I was remembering it wrong. I thought a little female spontaneously started washing her fruit and then suddenly the rest of the monkeys on the island followed and I totally did not know about the monkeys swimming from one island to the other. I thought monkeys all over the area started to spontaneously exhibit the behavior. See what happens when you get old?... the memory is the first to go. It's an interesting theory anyway. :-) Mary pjrv : Messages : 2394-2474 of 4038
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From: TaraMori... Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 6:20 am Subject: Re: Re: Pru's 'Hundredth Monkey' phenomenon TaraMori... > Mary Stanley wrote: > Well they observed this event happening, PJ. How can it be > said that it's not valid unless they know what actually did cause > the phenominon? http://www.csicop.org/si/9605/m\ onkey.html Reply | Forward

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From: "stanley01420" Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 2:53 pm Subject: Re: Pru's 'Hundredth Monkey' phenomenon stanley01420 --- In pjrv...oups.com, TaraMori...ote: > http://www.c sicop.org/si/9605/monkey.html Thank you, Tara, Although I appreciate your response, I don't consider csicop to be objective and I'm kind of skeptical of anything they put out. I do read their stuff but with a very large grain of salt. trypper Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 4:15 pm Subject: Re: Re: 7th Sense by Lyn B docsavagebill Hello All, I've started 7th sense.. thought I'd bring up things as I read them and before I forget them..G. ITEM 1) A great great read unlike some other RV books. Lyn did a superb job on his first book...so far..G ITEM 2) Lyn discusses paradoxical tasking in his appendix.. that is when you intend to change the outcome so that the viewing never occurs. For instance , where will a kidnapper be tonight? You say at the bar..so you wait in the bushes and make a citizens arrest and he never gets to the bar..so your viweing was wrong. Lyn says that this PARADOXICAL viewing must be avoided or the subconcious will quite working because it doesn't like to be wrong or in this kind of logical box. My question is what about every time we are wrong..doesn't our subconcious hate that also..and want to give up??? I think this is another reason why so many RV and ARV experiments start well and go to hell in a handbasket with time. The sub does not like to be wrong..so what to do??? Bill Reply | Forward

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From: David Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 5:38 pm Subject: The enigmatic subconscious a_healey56 Bill, My problem with this is that there really is no definitive explanation as to what the subconscious even is, let alone a definitive explanation of the mechanism by which it operates, how ornery it really is, where its position in the hierarchy of information transfer is, or anything else to do with it, really. Ask ten different self-described experts, and you'll probably get several different answers. I would be interested to hear what different remote viewers - who supposedly work through the so-called subconscious - understand it to be, and how they believe it operates . Dave > Bill wrote: > Lyn says that this PARADOXICAL viewing must > be avoided or the subconcious will quite working > because it doesn't like to be wrong or in this kind of > logical box. Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 6:59 pm Subject: Re: The enigmatic subconscious docsavagebill Hello David Now RVers don't go by freudian definitions..they just mean the shadow mind..the matrix mind.. the unknown mind.. whatever you want to call it. Where the psi information surfaces from. Psi information is obviously (IMO) altered in the subconcious before we get it , because it comes in almost always as metaphorical or associative material. I've seen rather intricate diagrams by Lyn for instance on how he sees information and RI travel from the concious thru the "membrane" to the subconcious..to the unconcious to someone elses subconcious and concious.. .. again these are practical working definitions. Not strict psychological definitions.. Rob Abbott talks about this "membrane" between the concious and subconcious also.. and seems to feel it is the filter that keeps us from being overwhelmed by psychic or other subconcious sensory information. And the ability to soften the membrane to psi information without letting in noise..determines to a large degree a persons inate psi ability. Best regards, Bill --------------------------- Moderator's note: Membrane?! Are you referring to the limin, I think it's called? (Hence, SUB-limin-al.) There is a diagrammed concept in that which is standard to Swann-style RV (Paul teaches it, Lyn usually doesn't). -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Linda & John Garvey" Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 3:48 pm Subject: Re: The enigmatic subconscious linda_g7us Nita, That sounds like a wonderful mental exercise, simple and effective! Linda G "The distinction between past, present and future is only an illusion, even if a stubborn one." -- Albert Einstein -- > Nita wrote: >I color my conscious mind blue, and my subconscious mind red. I >then try to get them to blend to a pretty purple by adding in >connections that the colors flow into each other. Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 1:11 pm Subject: Re: The enigmatic subconscious greenmn900... Hi Nita, You wrote: " I have a mental exercise that I do. I color my conscious mind blue, and my subconscious mind red. I then try to get them to blend to a pretty purple by adding in connections that the colors flow into each other. It improves the communications between both of them. You then try to get it to stay purple colored for longer and longer periods of time." That's creative as hell! I like that approach. Anything to improve conscious-subconscious communication is a plus. Best Regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: "Nita Hickok" Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 9:05 pm Subject: Re: The enigmatic subconscious nitahickok Hello David I do a lot of things differently. I have a mental exercise that I do. I color my conscious mind blue, and my subconscious mind red. I then try to get them to blend to a pretty purple by adding in connections that the colors flow into each other. It improves the communications between both of them. You then try to get it to stay purple colored for longer and longer periods of time. Nita On 6 Mar 2003 at 15:38, David wrote: > Bill, > > My problem with this is that there really is no definitive explanation > as to what the subconscious even is, let alone a definitive > explanation of the mechanism by which it operates, how ornery it > really is, where its position in the hierarchy of information transfer > is, or anything else to do with it, really. Ask ten different > self-described experts, and you'll probably get several different > answers. > > I would be interested to hear what different remote viewers - who > supposedly work through the so-called subconscious - understand it to > be, and how they believe it operates . > > Dave > > > Bill wrote: > > Lyn says that this PARADOXICAL viewing must > > be avoided or the subconcious will quite working > > because it doesn't like to be wrong or in this kind of > > logical box. > > > . > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > RV Oasis [pjrv] Practical Psi with PJ Gaenir > Subscribe: pjrv-subscribe...oups.com > Unsubscribe: pjrv-unsubscribe...oups.com > Visit Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pjrv/ > Firedocs RV: http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/ > Owner/Moderator: Email to PJ at pj...s.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 7:46 pm Subject: Re: The enigmatic subconscious docsavagebill Fascinating Nita, I'll have to try this. Best Regards, Bill --- Nita Hickok wrote: > I color my conscious mind blue, and my > subconscious mind red. I > then try to get them to blend to a pretty purple by > adding in > connections that the colors flow into each other. Reply | Forward

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From: "oracleblues" Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 7:39 pm Subject: Re: 7th Sense- A SOLUTION oracleblues Hi everyone, In regard to what Bill said about the Subconcious not liking it, I have a solution to it. Have you guys heard of EFT? It's an amazing way of controlling the subconcious- probably the best psychiatric tool in the world. So, go to EMOFREE.COM to check it out. The manual is on the link "freestuff". I will be back later with more info. In the meantime, why don't you guys check out the website? Bye, Arijit Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 12:09 am Subject: Re: Re: 7th Sense- A SOLUTION docsavagebill Hello Arijit, Could you give us one paragraph on EFT. I went to the website and found an 80 page manual..but not a simple explanation. Best Regards, Bill > --- oracleblues wrote: > Have you guys heard of EFT? > So, go to EMOFREE.COM to check it out. > The manual is on the link "freestuff". Reply | Forward

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From: "oracleblues" Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 7:16 pm Subject: Re: 7th Sense- A SOLUTION oracleblues Dear Bill and everyone else, In regard to the EFT manual,read from page 29 to page 37. That should be enough. Also, this can be used in innumerabe ways to completely transform one's life and thinking abilities. I do believe that everyone who wants to have mental control and discipline, should take up EFT, even if he/she does meditation. Firstly, I must mention that I am in no way associated with the EFT people and so I am not trying to sell any ideas. I just think that this is the most effective mind control tool till date A brief explanation- EFT uses the body's energy system in an incredibly simple way to reach the mind. It is based on the same common principles of Reiki, Tai Chi, Chi Gong, Acupuncture. Only, it's EXTREMELY simple to learn and use- and in no way as complicated as the above disciplines. Each session takes around 1.5 minutes and you can do it anywhere. So, I suggest you people at least take a shot at this thing. Bye, Arijit Reply | Forward

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From: "Mary Ashley" Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 9:44 am Subject: Re: Re: 7th Sense- A SOLUTION maryladyoflight Hi Bill, I have mentioned EFT to you on many occasions.. I also recommend it 100%. I use it on a professional basis and it is my most effective and efficient therapeutic tool. Mary Ashley. R.Hyp. Professional Hypnotist specialising in Self Empowerment. Do what you want to do. Be who you want to be. Milton Keynes, UK. (44) 01908 201767 Reply | Forward

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From: TaraMori... Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 11:23 am Subject: Re: Re: Pru's 'Hundredth Monkey' phenomenon TaraMori... > do read their stuff but with a very large grain of salt. :) i use a whole lot of salt too. As it happened though, the topic had come up recently in conversation and I saw many sites with similar information, so sent one. You could do a google search and find more. best, Tamra

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