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#1215

From: "Linda & John Garvey" Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 1:30 am Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial linda_g7us Hi PJ and all -- I've been wondering, with regard to psi activities in general, could it be that people are running into competition between left-brain and right-brain thinking/information processing, rather than conscious/unconscious mind conflicts? Isn't it true that the right hemisphere of our brain is said to be dominant in such matters as creativity, intuition, flexibilty in organization of information, and so forth -- whereas the left hemisphere focuses on such matters as logic, linear thinking/analyzing, strict rules, adherence to protocols and methods, score-keeping, etc.? It seems to me that in our society, most of our training is in left-brain thinking. If psi abilities tend to use our right-brain skills, we might have to quiet our left-brain activity in order to succeed with psi endeavors, and try to develop right-brain dominance while developing and using our psi skills. Just a thought there... :) Linda G "The distinction between past, present and future is only an illusion, even if a stubborn one." -- Albert Einstein -- Reply | Forward

#1227

From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Mon Nov 11, 2002 2:15 pm Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial maliolana Aloha PJ, I think I treat my subs with friendship/love...I try to give them some of the physical pleasure/emotions... we enjoy as humans...that they are not always privy to...at least openly...as a kind of treat...an entrance to my 'now' Dawna world...in return for not interfering with my efforts...except to allow the psi portal to open and my future self to send/relay/reveal data......or is it my conscious self that I must placate?...or a conbination of the many?...ummm More than trying to trick them...(which I think is kinda funny...even though some of them do try to trick me)...I try to find new ways to please/thank them for helping me in my little 'now' quest...and my subs demand to be treated nicely/sweetly/and with joy...they seem to truly enjoy the adventure...as long as I am... Sometimes I just jump right in there and expect them to cooperate...but then a second thought always comes in to remind me to say helow and share some love with them and get them to want to join in on the fun...cause they love me...at least this is the type of conversations I have with my many selves... I may be afraid of the scary stories I hear from others...just a bit...but I don't think I am afraid of psi...per se...Of course I have not been confronted by too much that is scary or awful...yet......I have experienced far worse things in 'real' life... Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna Reply | Forward

#1235

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 1:04 pm Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial docsavagebill Hi Dawna, Again... I do this to TRICK THE CONCIOUS MIND NOT THE SUBCONCOIOUS MIND. It's the subconcious I want in its purest form.. unadulterated with concious beliefs or bias.. Bill* >--- Weatherly-Hawaii...m wrote: > I think I treat my subs with friendship/love... >[snip] > .....or is it my conscious > self that I must > placate?...or a conbination of the many?...ummm Reply | Forward

#1234

From: Karl Boyken Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:01 am Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial kboyken Dawna and Eva, this kind of relationship with the subconscious--placating the subconscious, seeing it as a computer--is fascinating to me. My experience has been that the subconscious is the doorway to forces much larger and wiser than myself. It seems to me that the thrust of the lessons life has been trying to teach me is to quit trying to be in charge and let whatever is behind the doorway do the driving. If there's a screw-up or orneriness anywhere in my system, it's most likely to be found in "me," not my subconscious. It's really interesting to me that the opposite approach seems to work for others. Karl -- Karl Boyken kboyken...t http://soli.inav.net/~kboyken/ We dance 'round in a ring and suppose, while the Secret sits in the middle and knows. --Robert Frost Reply | Forward

#1238

From: "Nita" Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 12:15 pm Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial nitahickok Hi Everyone Anyone with problems subs should read Concentration a guide to mental mastery by Mouni Sadhu. I have it as part of some lessons I will be teaching in another area. Nita Reply | Forward

#1244

From: Richard Krankoski Date: Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:38 pm Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial Rich_crv > Bill Pendragon wrote: > Again... I do this to TRICK THE CONCIOUS MIND NOT THE > SUBCONCOIOUS MIND. It's the subconcious I want in its > purest form.. unadulterated with concious beliefs or > bias.. That brings up an interesting thought. How do we know the SC is not adulterated with beliefs from some other source? What is it that creates fetishes or uncontrollable drives or our everyday actions and responses to events and people.? How does one know the SC is not biased? Rich ------------------------ Moderator's note: Maybe it's the seat of Possession. ;-) PJ Reply | Forward

#1254

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 3:09 pm Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial docsavagebill It undoubtedly is Rich, I don't want to invent models of psi..I'll leave that to others.. but the one I work with is PATHWAY

#1...

concious--> SC-- > {{target information (matrix?)}}--> SC-->concious. We can also go VIA pathway #2: Concious--> SC-->{ target.and/or.not target}-->SC--> Concious I'm not sure how to always get pathway

#1 vs

#2.. However the third pathway is the one I want to avoid :

#3 Co

uncious BS --> SC BS^2 -->( ?????lost in space zone)-->SC BS^3--> unconcious Zone.." Solar flare will cause World to end soon" > --- Richard Krankoski wrote: > That brings up an interesting thought. How do we > know the SC is not > adulterated with beliefs from some other source? > What is it that creates > fetishes or uncontrollable drives or our everyday > actions and responses to > events and people.? How does one know the SC is not > biased? Reply | Forward

#1249

From: Karl Boyken Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:07 am Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial kboyken > That brings up an interesting thought. How do we know the SC is not > adulterated with beliefs from some other source? What is it that creates > fetishes or uncontrollable drives or our everyday actions and responses to > events and people.? How does one know the SC is not biased? It's my entirely subjective impression that strong drives arise from strong stuff I've repressed. The more I become familiar with the parts of me I've stuffed down, the less they insist on making their presence known via strong urges. I'm not sure what adulterated or biased would mean, in terms of the subconscious. I've never encountered anything that wasn't "me" in some way. (Please note that I am not publically admitting to having fetishes or uncontrollable drives. I'm completely normal. Really.) Karl Reply | Forward

#1264

From: Richard Krankoski Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 9:54 pm Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial Rich_crv > Karl Boyken wrote: > (Please note that I am not publically admitting to having fetishes > or uncontrollable drives. I'm completely normal. Really.) Reminds me that..... there are gobazillions of people having fantasies about various celebrities. Does this in any way remotely influence those celebrities? Rich ---------------------------- Moderator's note: You're on a roll of fresh ideas, Rich! Yay. Hey I really wanted to say something after Karl's post, like, if he's normal, what the hell is he doing in RV. LOL. Re: Celebrities: if psychic rapport is possible, then celebrities are probably very influenced by the public nature of things. Perhaps that is why, despite other obvious factors in the showbiz life, so many of them are so whacked eventually. Maybe the psychic result is a "pressure" they perceive and react to but don't know why. I have wondered about this myself over the years. -- PJ Reply | Forward

#1270

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:51 pm Subject: Re: INfulencing celebrities docsavagebill Rich, Urk..I tried explaining the session on Madonna's best sex ever.. and afterwards it occurred to me that maybe it was the best she ever had, because 10 classes of RVers had tuned into it (retroactively) energizing it to be her best... anyway that's what my SC told me. Bill* > --- Richard Krankoski wrote: > Reminds me that..... there are gobazillions of > people having fantasies about > various celebrities. Does this in any way remotely > influence those celebrities? Reply | Forward

#1276

From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Thu Nov 14, 2002 9:03 am Subject: Re: Proactive Psychology vs. RV Denial maliolana Aloha Karl, I am not sure what you are talking about in this post...I most certainly do not consider my many selves as simply a computer...but as a partial definition the truth will out!......I see them as all the transitory stages I have lived through in my life...Layers to the onion.... The sacred is not only without Karl...It is in every cell of every living thing as well as the ether/rocks/etc....Most of my beliefs are earth based...I am an animal/primate/ mammal...as well as a spiritual being...and celebrate them equally...and together... when I am lucky enough to get the time... Seems to me many of the spiritual critters... would love to be incarnate again... I know my spirit is grateful...and so are my many selves...You should reread what we were talking about....I think you missed the many points...we were trying to express...Nothing quite so sterile as a computer...at least not like the one I am typing on now...It should be so lucky!...hahahah Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna Dawna and Eva, this kind of relationship with the subconscious--placating the subconscious, seeing it as a computer--is fascinating to me. My experience has been that the subconscious is the doorway to forces much larger and wiser than myself. It seems to me that the thrust of the lessons life has been trying to teach me is to quit trying to be in charge and let whatever is behind the doorway do the driving. If there's a screw-up or orneriness anywhere in my system, it's most likely to be found in "me," not my subconscious. It's really interesting to me that the opposite approach seems to work for others. Karl

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