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#787

From: "PJ Gaenir" Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 9:14 am Subject: Personal Value in ARV Time Loops dennanm Hi Scott, I was thinking this morning about your ARV stuff and it occurred to me to wonder about the personal value of a given outcome. For example, I assume that the reason lotteries are difficult isn't just because they're numbers, but because we have various belief systems in the way of our winning the lottery. If we didn't, we would ALREADY be winning the lottery or similar things -- with alleged chance or luck being the determinor, not RV. I find that risk of humiliation often inspires my ego to do better about RV than I might otherwise, LOL. It's 'survival' I guess. I asked Dr. Ed May about results-based outcome in psi. E.g., punishing the psychic vs. rewarding them depending on how they did. I sound like an old Russian, LOL. He said plenty of that research has been done -- it makes no difference. Hmmmn. So finally getting to the point here, I wonder if -- apart from the issue of RV itself (which we can't avoid) -- totally mundane, meaningless things targeted in ARV, might have less 'resistance' that could manifest in displacement, then things which DO have meaning to the viewer, even mildly. E.g., will someone else's mailman come closer to 9am or 11am; will the vehicle parked in space X at Y date/time be blue or something else; I don't know, I'm just trying to think of really boring, fairly meaningless things. I am wondering if the general hit rate would be higher because there is less psychology in the way related to the outcome. On the other hand, it could be lower because one bored the viewers! PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "scottrver" Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 11:42 am Subject: Re: Personal Value in ARV Time Loops scottrver Hi PJ, > So finally getting to the point here, I wonder if -- apart from the > issue of RV itself (which we can't avoid) -- totally mundane, > meaningless things targeted in ARV, might have less 'resistance' that > could manifest in displacement, then things which DO have meaning to > the viewer, even mildly. That's a good example of what makes the line of questioning so difficult, because the categories effecting displacement are really unbounded and viewer psychology would have to be presumed to be a legitimate category. Unfortunately too, a correlation here might very well fall into the category of things that can't be tested, predicted, compensated for, or controlled. I'm very anxious to get to the point where I will hopefully get some yes or no answers. Scott Reply | Forward

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From: "PJ Gaenir" Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 11:56 am Subject: Re: Personal Value in ARV Time Loops dennanm Well Scott I admire your enthusiasm. I'm sure you'll get somewhere with an answer if you keep at it, and those kind of answers can help the entire field. I seem to do badly, then better, then well, then I'm really excited about how well I'm doing, and then it's like I fall off some cliff where I'm just TERRIBLE -- to the degree that actually, the terrible itself SO far exceeds chance, it is obviously a form of psi-missing that is psychologically based. I am finding the entire process to be pretty damned annoying. I think I am going to go back to what I was doing the last time I did this badly... I starting doing sessions that were 5 minutes long - no longer than 10 minutes - about 5-8 in a row, every night, precog. My goal wasn't depth of data it was just practice at diving into a target, and practice at getting data quickly, and then letting go -- if it doesn't come quick, forget it -- to try and train myself against the virgo-angst crap that often pervades my RV. Looks like it is time for that again, sigh! Let us know how your ARV goes. I have always been tremendously interested in ARV, but generally feel it takes more than one person to do and I work alone. I've read all of Greg K's pages but I like his writing personality as well as anything RV-related he's doing. I really do hope that what I call the 'layman researchers' will find some answers that there is no funding in science to find. Given the efforts made to prevent psi research, I think it will be a delightful irony if after all that effort made to crush the field and prevent research, a few inspired general public folks come up with various keys that someday end up being part of blowing it all open. Proving that you can curtain funding and you can intimidate educators but you can't keep a good man down. ;-) So to speak! PJ

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