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pjrv : Messages : 3914-3918 of 4038
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#3914

From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Fri Mar 12, 2004 9:29 am Subject: Re: Re: Pain in targets sharwebb_30512 Yes, Anna Wise is the one who has done so much research on brain waves. She has various graphic models of various states in her book. Sharon sharwebb...net www.fractalus.com/sharon > PS Is Anna Wise the one who suggested that having all four major eeg > states active was what enabled psychics to bring the information from > one source (like delta or theta) 'through to' the alpha-beta where > they could report it? Reply | Forward

#3915

From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Fri Mar 12, 2004 9:36 am Subject: Re: Re: Pain in targets sharwebb_30512 Palyne, In Silva training, the tendency of some viewers to get emotional and/or physical reactions is taken into account, and there is a technique to deal with it. It consists of visualizing a console with dials on it and turning down the dials until the viewer can regain detachment. Sharon sharwebb...net www.fractalus.com/sharon Reply | Forward

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From: TaraMori... Date: Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:35 am Subject: Re: Re: Pain in targets mahamati8 > In Silva training, the tendency of some viewers to get emotional > and/or physical reactions is taken into account, and there is a > technique to deal with it. It consists of visualizing a console > with dials on it and turning down the dials until the viewer can > regain detachment. hmmmm. This sounds alot like what my sifu said to me once when i was sensing waaaaayyyyyy more than a nervous system ought to.... he said, 'tamra, if the signal is too strong from any direction, turn down the volume' or something like that. The words themselves weren't what clicked with me, but something did and I understood just what he meant. Maybe he had had Silva training. I wonder. Tamra Reply | Forward

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From: McDaniel Cecil Date: Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:36 am Subject: Re: Re: Pain in targets cecilmcd2 Have many of you had the Silva training? I am interested in get it myself except for the fact that not many in the area were I am from seem to wanna openly share what they have learned. There is something in the south that I need all the powers of remote viewing and Silva training combined and then some to help put back in touch the universal order of things. ----------- Excepting a few on the list I doubt most here know a ton about Silva, as this is a viewer's list foremost. (And I dunno about others here, but the Universal Order Of Things is somewhat out of what I normally apply to RV. ;-)) PJ pjrv : Messages : 3898-3919 of 4038
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#3898

From: "pjgaenir" Date: Tue Mar 9, 2004 10:59 pm Subject: Pain in targets pjgaenir Several times in sessions, I've picked up physical pain that I suspected or knew (depending on the session) was experienced by someone in the target and/or the target person. I often get this in a strange way. For example in one session, my hands ached horribly, and yet... it wasn't really my hands, it actually felt like "ghost hands." It both 'was and wasn't' actual pain in my hands. I find that emotions and physical sensations at least so far tend to be less common in my sessions than other data types, but they have a greater tendency to be accurate when I have them and often reflect a better level of target contact. I'm curious about the experience of other viewers. Do you sense pain in targets when it is part of the target in some way? Physical, or emotional, or both? How does it come through to you? PJ Reply | Forward

#3899

From: David Date: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:12 am Subject: Re: Pain in targets a_healey56 PJ, I've felt sensations such as G-forces, wind, and the feel of a roller-coaster while remote viewing. I suppose if a person can feel those kinds of physical sensations they could feel any other, including pain. I'm not sure why though. David Reply | Forward

#3900

From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:18 am Subject: Re: Pain in targets sharwebb_30512 PJ, I am a physical empath. The trait waxes and wanes. When it is going full blast, it's hard for me to cope with it sometimes. I pick up people's physical symptoms. It is sometimes hard for me to determine if they are mine or not. I suppose I 'assume' they are mine because I am experiencing them. It is usually more acute if I am in close proximity to the person having the symptoms. Crowds can be especially excruciating. But the thing can kick in during online chats, and even through email at times. Sometimes I can pinpoint the source. Other times I simply know that somebody present has, say, a headache...or whatever. I had never read any scientific reason for this until I came across some references to it. I _think_ it was in Anna Wise's book, The High-Performance Mind. It seems that the theory is that those who have (are afflicted with?) this situation are often in a theta brain wave state. Apparently in theta, or at least certain ranges of theta, empathy can manifest. Sharon Reply | Forward

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From: David Date: Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:48 am Subject: Re: Pain in targets a_healey56 Sharon, just don't get a job as a trauma surgeon. David > On Mar 9, 2004, at 10:18 PM, Sharon Webb wrote: > I pick up people's physical symptoms. ----------------- She used to be a nurse! Can you imagine. Wow. PJ Reply | Forward

#3908

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:25 pm Subject: Re: Pain in targets docsavagebill Hi All, BTW..where the heck did PJ go? Anyway. I do a fair amount of healing work and I don't usually feel symptoms unless I throw an acidental chord to the patient. I wonder if feeling pain is the result of accidentally throwing chords to the target. It may not be a bad way to view..but breaking chords should always follow the session in that case!!! Bill Reply | Forward

#3904

From: Barbara Date: Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:57 am Subject: Re: Pain in targets threebears4u Hi PJ, I am also an empath. I was in a group setting when we all did an exercise called the Dolphin Dive, and you go OOB and enter theirs astrally, and 'swim around' . The first time I did this process, I was back to back with someone I didn't know. I came out with such a bad neck pain--it was hers, she told me. ( I hadn't known anything about her or her pain prior to me having the pain.) She felt better, and I felt worse. The pain didn't last too long, but was uncomfortable enough for me not to want to 'go there' again. Tee hee. Some of the other members in the group who were familiar with this process, had experienced pain before. This was my first experience with it, though. We were all sitting up, back to back. I have used my own varient of this since then, from a distance, without the side effects, and come back with better results. Barb Reply | Forward

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From: "pjgaenir" Date: Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:49 am Subject: Re: Pain in targets pjgaenir Hi Sharon, > I pick up people's physical symptoms. It is > sometimes hard for me to determine if they are > mine or not. I suppose I 'assume' they are mine > because I am experiencing them. This is interesting to me. I have torqued plenty of sessions by actually thinking an emotion or physical thing in the session was mine rather than the target's. I suspect emotions and sensation are like memories. Whether it was a chemical injection, an electronic pulse or a personal experience that generated them, once they are in you, they are 'yours' so to speak. > I _think_ it was in Anna Wise's book, The High-Performance > Mind. It seems that the theory is that those who have (are > afflicted with?) this situation are often in a theta brain wave > state. Apparently in theta, or at least certain ranges of > theta, empathy can manifest. Hmmmn. David Pursglove works or at least used to with 'brainwave' stuff, like how they put children on computers where the games are accomplished using changes in brainwaves, and just this practice can dramatically improve kids in ways like, ability to learn, their attention span, their energy level, their emotional stability, their positive attitude and more. Sometimes I suspect much of our population is like accidental radio receptors, untuned merely because our culture does not support the knowledge and development of that process. Given that multiple EEG states and different parts of them can be and are held simultaneously in a person, I sure think it would be cool to have this kind of brainwave feedback set up on computer and use hypnosis and biofeedback to train people to 'aim for' certain levels and combinations of levels (in a similar way TMI does with focus levels I suppose), and then experiment with psi in that context. PS Is Anna Wise the one who suggested that having all four major eeg states active was what enabled psychics to bring the information from one source (like delta or theta) 'through to' the alpha-beta where they could report it? PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:07 am Subject: Re: Pain in targets ozblueriver Hi PJ, I get all emotional and physical states as just a knowing. I don't feel it, I just know it. It's less interesting that way I guess, although less traumatic. Do you have trouble getting rid of the pain or does it leave quickly? cheers Liz Reply | Forward

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From: "pjgaenir" Date: Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:56 am Subject: Re: Pain in targets pjgaenir Hi Liz, > I get all emotional and physical states as just a > knowing. I don't feel it, I just know it. It's less > interesting that way I guess, although less traumatic. > Do you have trouble getting rid of the pain or does > it leave quickly? It is usually semi-abstract even during the experience, e.g., a part of my body hurts, yet it's sort of like a "harmonic", like "my ghost body" is feeling the pain not my physical body,and the ghost-body is "real" and yet... not so... tangible. The dominant thing that has stayed with me after a session are emotions, not physical pains. And those generally drop as soon as I realize that I am 'holding on to them' and let go. (Unless we're talking about my own emotions 'in response to' a target which are a different thing anyway.) It's my suspicion that when I feel something 'direct' in a session it's because on some level I am choosing to have that "more intense" or "more interactive" experience... that my mind could have chosen to experience that target differently. But it didn't. Which isn't better or worse, but on some level, just like how we react to things (and even whether we encounter them) in ordinary life, it's my responsibility. Best Regards, PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "elittlestar P. R." Date: Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:59 pm Subject: RE: Pain in targets elittlestar Hi yes i experience pain in doing some targets.. i have noted these in my sessions now as i do them,,, that is when i get a pain or strange feeling when they first happened ... i thought it was me... because no one prepared me about the Probabilities of it happening... in the beginnings i would have to stop working the sessions depending how bad i was feeling... after i stopped doing the session and felt back to normal ... i realized it was the session ....that is when feed back was presented... then i figured it out... it seams no one else said a thing if they experienced something or not... there was no talk after the session ... so i kept it to my self... and then later i would note it in my sessions as target data... and it would be right on... but again there was no talk in class about this... when i tried bringing it up to the instructor and with a couple of the other RVers... they felt nothing... said there was nothing happening to them... so i drooped any further inquires... Thanks for the opportunity to say my peace. Pame Reply | Forward

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From: "pjgaenir" Date: Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:16 am Subject: Re: Pain in targets pjgaenir Hi Pame, [snip] > when they first happened ... i thought it was me... because no > one prepared me about the Probabilities of it happening... [snip] > it seams no one else said a thing if they experienced something > or not... there was no talk after the session ... so i kept it > to my self... and then later i would note it in my sessions as > target data... and it would be right on... but again there was > no talk in class about this... when i tried bringing it up to > the instructor and with a couple of the other RVers... they > felt nothing... said there was nothing happening to them... > so i dropped any further inquires... It's partly this situation--with different people :-)--that actually inspired me to ask this question on the list. It appears there are people who genuinely do NOT get physical sensations or physical emotions in a session. And that goes all the way to the other extreme, people who so over-identify with them as their own, that they are far too affected by the session experience (which can have a negative impact on data as well). I suspect there is a middle ground balancing act of genuinely identifying with (resonating with) the target enough to perceive such things, and yet not so much that the perceptions distract from an ability to take in other target aspects without bias or distraction. There are so many things that actually viewing brings that I never heard about from others, despite all the chatter about RV I heard. When I finally started doing RV I was so astonished at how much of it was audio for me. And at sensing 'different parts of my mind arguing with each other about how to present it to me'. And super symbolic data--and a whole host of people that are apparently aspects of me "acting out" target stuff literally like charades, and very visually. It also quickly became obvious to me that while everybody obsessed on writing down the data and the type of data, nobody seemed to be paying attention to writing down the way data came through. Which to me, has turned out to have far more significance for learning and for accuracy than any other element. I have a theory that one reason certain types of visual data are often wildly wrong is because that type of data is often highly symbolic. I get aspects "acting out" data. A silly example that is one of the simpler ones to put in words: In a target quite some time ago, I got a clear visual flash of a woman walking heavily forward with her knees slightly bent and both her hands right up above her head with her fingers splayed. I understand these... people, like her, are... part of me and trying to communicate with me. I write down something like, "Sym> monster? aspect has hands above her head stomping heavily toward me." The target: A moose. LOL. I mean if you'd seen her and then seen the moose it'd make perfect sense. ;-) But of course, in the over-literalicized post-methods world of RV, most people who saw "woman acting like monster" in a target would never--even WITH my explanation--accept this as 'symbolic data' that I simply failed to translate properly. What clued me in that it was symbolic wasn't the data but was the MANNER in which the data came to me. Stark-vivid but microsecond dynamic visuals are basically always symbolic data for me. I get many types of visuals, but that particular type is symbolic. That one little observation about my sessions--that 'how' the data comes through has meaning for me--is worth more to me than almost everything else I ever learned about RV. So I've wondered about why we experience data in a certain way in a target; get it as a concept, an abstract, an objective knowing, a joke or humor, something more personal, or something totally identified with. I think -- building on my theory about 'how' data comes to me -- that simply observing HOW we are getting data, esp. certain types, can tell us something about the unique properties of our target contact at that moment. And potentially, with a little more personal experimenting, what kind of focus will best lead in the direction of yet-better contact of the kind most needed to 'round out' the overall experience. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: McDaniel Cecil Date: Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:52 am Subject: Re: Re: Pain in targets cecilmcd2 If I had seen that symbolic image of the woman with hands above head stomping heavily, I might have said some one carrying a heavy load over head, spiritual or emotional and the weight of the load causes them to stomp or merely dig in in order to keep their balance for the weight of the issue(s) weighing heavily on their heads. Now thats just me. But I am here trying to learn this whole thing so help me out if you will. By the way I am looking forward to feedback from members in my developmental process. ------------------------- We're not a training/practice group Cecil but you might pick up tips now and then (though I find I'm wandering in the dark half the time myself frankly). It was obvious in the symbology that she was 'acting like' something. But your comment makes a point, that even knowing something 'is symbolic' doesn't tell a viewer 'which' of the many aspects of the info is, if they don't get that as a 'given' when they perceive it. Becoming aware of when data is symbolic is itself a constant adjustent and something of an accomplishment I think. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Rfjuice... Date: Wed Mar 10, 2004 7:26 am Subject: Re: Pain in targets rfjuice2000 Hi PJ, I agree with you. For me it seems like an odd sensation where I will feel the pain/emotion/smell as usual, but it is kind of detached and I realize it isn't mine after a few seconds. Except one time I smelled smoke during a session, and thought my computer was on fire, I was already crawling around checking the wires before I realized the target had a fire in it. :) It is very infrequent for me, usually I get visuals. Linda > I find that emotions and physical sensations at least so far tend to > be less common in my sessions than other data types, but they have a > greater tendency to be accurate when I have them and often reflect a > better level of target contact. Reply | Forward

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From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:59 pm Subject: Re: Pain in targets sharwebb_30512 David & PJ, Yeah...I used to be a nurse, but I wasn't a physical empath then...thank goodness. I have always been an emotional empath though. Helped to relate to the patients because I could feel their grief, fear, etc. That doesn't bother me too much, I guess because I have always been that way and was used to it. Sharon sharwebb...net www.fractalus.com/sharon Reply | Forward

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From: TaraMori... Date: Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:27 am Subject: Re: Pain in targets mahamati8 > Rfjuice... writes: > For me it seems like an odd sensation where I will > feel the pain/emotion/smell as usual, but it is kind of > detached and I realize it isn't mine after a few seconds. > Except one time I smelled smoke during a session, and > thought my computer was on fire, I was already crawling > around checking the wires before I realized the target > had a fire in it. :) This type of thing happens to me often. Your post reminded me of a time last year when I felt as if I were burning and saw fire. Not only that, but the stove exploded. .... I was thinking maybe the house was going to catch fire or something. I mean it was so intense .-- heat, smoke, panic, exploding stoves ... I felt as if I were burning and had to get to water. I wasn't sure if it was a premonition or if something had happened like that. During that, a friend called who lives in DC, but is from Africa and I asked him if anything was going on that he knew of. He said no and we spoke a bit about what I was experiencing. I was in quite a state. That was all on a Friday or Saturday. Monday that friend called and said he knew what I had been experiencing. Just at that time, there was an explosion in a town in Africa where they had a munitions factory right in town. Thousands were trying to escape the flames and smoke -- running for the river -- drowning. Oftentimes, I do find out what was going on at the times I experience the things, but not always. It gets intense like that when it involves many people, but I've found it also happens intensely when someone is crying out in a way that I just happen to pick up. I am assuming that, if working with a selected target, that sort of thing would happen under circumstances of intense duress, but only if there were actually people present suffering in it. I think that just viewing a fire, for example, wouldn't affect me as a viewer without having an empathic connection with someone physically present there. (if that's obvious to everyone, oh well..... I really don't know for sure). Tamra Reply | Forward

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From: "pjgaenir" Date: Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:36 am Subject: Re: Pain in targets pjgaenir Hi David, > I've felt sensations such as G-forces, wind, and > the feel of a roller-coaster while remote viewing. > I suppose if a person can feel those kinds of > physical sensations they could feel any other, > including pain. I'm not sure why though. That is what I was thinking. I know people who, if someone said, "the person in the target was stabbed," might think it was perfectly normal to have the viewer say something like, "I actually felt, in a ghostly-sense, like something stabbed me" or "I sort of felt this actual pain in my side." And yet if someone says "The person in the target was profoundly terrified, grief-stricken and died in trauma, and I felt their upset as if it were my own," there are people I've met online who would suggest this is ridiculous, that a target cannot really cause a viewer upset (I never suspected this could even be in question). I started wondering, when it comes to "all energy is information", what is the difference between emotional pain and physical pain? And what is the difference between physical pain and any other physical sensation? If one is capable of semi-feeling (as data but also as a personal experience) motion forward and a sudden drop in elevation, or an ache in the hands, or a sense of joy, then why the heck would it be unusual for someone to experience a sense of grief-etc.? I was thinking maybe there was some logic to why the idea that "things in a target can't upset a viewer" might be true and I was just biased. I don't see any further clues in these responses though. Warm regards David, Palyne Reply | Forward

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From: McDaniel Cecil Date: Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:53 am Subject: Re: Pain in targets cecilmcd2 hi PJ: I am just beginning to understand the concept of RV and I am looking for assistance from you and others like you to understand what is going on and how to fine tune my skills. I am a practicianor of natural healing and I want to use my knowledge and increase it so that I can remotely help as many as possible rid themselves of afflictions and bring ease to their lives. please assist me on this journey in anyway that you can. Sincerely Cecil Reply | Forward

#3917

From: "dinellrd" Date: Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:11 pm Subject: Re: Pain in targets dinellrd Hi PJ, this is an interesting subject. I call it sharing the same energy space. In essence being completely part of the other persons energy source. Interesting that you use the metaphor "ghost hands". I feel it as an energy overlap or meld but from "within". Here's an experential. During the Space Station EVA-9 I was watching TV and all of a sudden my left arm went wacko on me. Muscles were twitching like crazy. I knew that meant I hit a target. I had been following space station activities quite closely because of the impending space walk. You know, a little concerned. All of sudden I started to feel extremely tired. It started around 7:30 eastern and by 8:00pm it was quite noticeable. By 9:00PM I was totally exhausted and went to bed. As I layed down on the pillow I could feel my whole body throbing and then suddenly I intuitively identified myself as having a hard time walking in a spacesuit. I was aware of the spacewalk and thought that was just a normal feeling for an astronaut in space. I didn't realise the significance of it until the next morning when I read the Russian astronauts cooling hose had crimped and Nasa had to cut the EVA short. Thinking about this afterward I found it remarkable that my physical body was affected to such an extent. I can't recall a situation where I have felt actual pain but I suppose that would depend on the target. In this case I can't say that I felt emotion. Just physical symptomatic sensations but very real. As real as being in that suit myself. Which I was. As real as coming down with a flu or some other linear illness which at first I thought it could be. I'm sure if a medical doctor had taken my vital signs he would have prescribed something to keep my blood pressure and temperature down. When I get experiences like this it brings home how real the energy and the non linear really are. Ron. > I often get this in a strange way. For example in one session, my > hands ached horribly, and yet... it wasn't really my hands, it > actually felt like "ghost hands." It both 'was and wasn't' actual > pain in my hands.

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