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#2035

From: "Eva " Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:29 pm Subject: On time and consciousness k9caninek9 OK, we were discussing this a bit a while back. HOpefully someone hasn't already said this too! I was thinking about that post in which someone theorized something like that our perception of the passage of time might be influenced by how many novel experiences we have during that time. I then posted something about how maybe that explains why to children, time passes more slowly. WHich got me to thinking, maybe it's not just novel experience but the actual amount of processing that goes on in that time period. THis is almost but not precisely the same idea. For instance, during novel experiences, we learn and process more, so time seems to often go slowly (unless you are having fun when you should be doing work which for some reason reverses everything!). Also, during a lot of our sleep time, we aren't conscious processing much so that time goes much faster than our awake time. Of course, the unconscious processing and perception of time may be diff though. So say you consciously remember a dream. SOmetimes in the dream, it seems like a long time has passed, but in the waking world, only a few minutes have passed. That would be because you have consciously done a lot of processing/thought during that small time, and so the time seems long. But others are in normal waking state with less conscious processing going on and so it only consciously seems like a few minutes to them. Now lets switch to the unconscious mind. Perhaps as we sleep, which consciously doesn't seem that long although logically we know that it is 8 hours or so, the unconscious mind is doing a lot of processing (only a little of which we remember) and to the unconscious mind, the night is a very long time. But consciously we are not very aware of it. Anyway, that's my latest theory. It's really just a slight reorganization of existing theories though. But in my mind, it helps explain how time is an illusion (assuming one holds to that theory in the first place). Time would be an illusion of how much mental processing you have done so far in any particular conscious state that you happen to be in. If you have done a lot, that it seems like a long time. Perhaps here on Earth we are kind of held to a certain amount of processing and a certain mental state via the limits of our human bodies. And so our concepts of time are somewhat more homogenous then they might otherwise be, but still there is a lot of variation. That might even explain why time seems to fly when were are doing certain types of artistic endeavors or deep thought endeavors. It seems counterintuitive on the face of it, but if at times we go into a type of altered state or trancelike state, like when doing art, then to the more conscious state, the amount of processing for it might seem small. It would be like a flat rock skipping on the water, only hitting a really conscious totally waking state thought once in a while. And so in our normal walking down the street waking state, you would feel like little time had passed and might be surprised by what time it was. But perhaps in another state of consciousness, it was like you finally got something done for a change and the rest of the time you are sleeping. So when we rv, future and past targets do not generally feel all that different or harder in the session. In the session, everything in the session feels like 'now' because there has been very little conscious processing between the moment when you were sitting down to do the session and the moment you started the session. Clocks of course always do the exact same amount of processing because that is how they are designed and so the amount of time they percieve and tell us is more constant. Forgive me if this theorizing seems rather chaotic. I only just started thinking much about it today. -E Reply | Forward

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From: "Glyn" Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:27 pm Subject: RE: On time and consciousness gebega Hi Eva, -----Original Message----- From: Eva [mailto:k9caninek9...om] I'm not sure if I've got it straight, so please correct me if I haven't. Are you saying that while we are RVing (altered state) that our conscious mind is only aware of the short time of the session (borne out by our way of measuring time), but that small time for the conscious mind could be a very long time for the sub........long enough for it to 'do the necessary' (whatever that may be) to get thet target info? I have heard that in connection with sleep and dreams, and I have had very very long dreams in the few minutes between the alarm clock going off and my husband telling me I should get up, but I haven't heard it in connection with 'psi-perception'. Maybe the retrieval of information via 'psi' isn't instantaneous after all, maybe it just *appears* to be. Good one Eva, and may be some original thinking.. definitely something to ponder on. Kind regards, Glyn So when we rv, future and past targets do not generally feel all that different or harder in the session. In the session, everything in the session feels like 'now' because there has been very little conscious processing between the moment when you were sitting down to do the session and the moment you started the session. Clocks of course always do the exact same amount of processing because that is how they are designed and so the amount of time they percieve and tell us is more constant. Forgive me if this theorizing seems rather chaotic. I only just started thinking much about it today. -E Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RV Oasis [pjrv] Practical Psi with PJ Gaenir Subscribe: pjrv-subscribe...oups.com Unsubscribe: pjrv-unsubscribe...oups.com Visit Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pjrv/ Firedocs RV: http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/ Owner/Moderator: Email to PJ at pj...s.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva " Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 12:44 am Subject: Re: On time and consciousness k9caninek9 > I'm not sure if I've got it straight, so please correct me if I haven't. > Are you saying that while we are RVing (altered state) that our conscious > mind is only aware of the short time of the session (borne out by our way of > measuring time), but that small time for the conscious mind could be a very > long time for the sub........long enough for it to 'do the necessary' > (whatever that may be) to get thet target info? Actually, I didn't have that particular thing in mind, but that fits in the theory too. The basic idea was if time is an illusion, then why do we experience time? Maybe the experience is simply representative to how much processing we have accomplished. > > I have heard that in connection with sleep and dreams, and I have had very > very long dreams in the few minutes between the alarm clock going off and my > husband telling me I should get up, but I haven't heard it in connection > with 'psi-perception'. I wasn't really trying to connect it to psi perception, although I guess it is anyway. > > Maybe the retrieval of information via 'psi' isn't instantaneous after > all, maybe it just *appears* to be. Good point. Actually, I wasn't really thinking about that, LOL! Yeah, the subconscious may slave away at the tasks more than we think. All we know is that the info 'seems' to be available right away. -E Reply | Forward

#2064

From: "intuitwolf " Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 12:51 am Subject: Re: On time and consciousness intuitwolf Here's a theory for consideration: information is being perceived, sorted, categorized, and stored by the subconscious on an ongoing basis - everything - from that bird that flew by my window but was only registered by peripheral vision to the sound of a train in the distance that didn't even register with my conscious mind. This all occurs in a timeless sphere where what we 'will know' in the future is undifferentiated from what we already have experienced as from the past. Since the majority of what we have already experienced in the past never rose to the level of conscious awareness to begin with, then it is in some respects as 'distant' as what lies in the 'future'. If a certain piece of information seems important to everyday functioning, the subconscious shifts it up to the conscious level. Otherwise, it will store it away for future use. Now, when the conscious mind says, 'hey, I need this piece of information' - the sub is going to look within our own little data base of personal associations in order to serve up the information in a shape and color we will understand. Obviously, we still often manage to misapprehend what we given :-) But, you're right that sub is working hard all the time -- or all the no-time? Shelia --- In pjrv...oups.com, "Eva wrote: > Yeah, the subconscious may slave away at the tasks more than we > think. All we know is that the info 'seems' to be available right > away. > -E

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