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pjrv : Messages : 2433-2459 of 4038
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#2433

From: Timelord2029... Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:30 am Subject: Re: No more Larger Universe/Pru and money psitrooper24 > Don wrote: > How do you know Ingo needs no excuses? > And how do you know Pru "made > millions"? How do you know she "made it pay as no one > else"? Hi Don, Just to jump in Bill defence here she told me as well (and our entire class) That TDS made well over a million US dollars the previous year. Her starting prices ranged in the "thousands". Her Pro trainers in class with us confirmed this as well. Just thought i would add that. She was never short of work..just profeesional dedicated veiwers I cant speak for anyone else out there making $$$ but pru certainly did (and probably still is :) Peace, Tunde --------------------------- Moderator's note: I believe Pru, why not. On the other hand, if we're just going to believe everybody about anything, there are pregnant martians under Santa Fe Baldy and aliens infesting the markets of New York. I mean...! PJ Reply | Forward

#2459

From: "Eva" Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 8:50 pm Subject: Re: No more Larger Universe/Pru and money k9caninek9 > Moderator's note: I believe Pru, why not. On the other hand, if > we're just going to believe everybody about anything, there are > pregnant martians under Santa Fe Baldy and aliens infesting the > markets of New York. I mean...! PJ Well I tend to be skeptical of stuff. But since I live in the area and have seen most of the TDS (or former TDS) facilities, viewers, sessions (well not most of the sessions obviously), etc. I figure that a large monitary influx would be needed to support such an infrastructure even if it was just for a few months. And Carlsbad ain't no cheap place to live, let me tell you that! So that money had to be coming from somewhere. As for pregnant aliens, well I haven't seen any of those yet, or if I did, I didn't notice. So I don't tend to equate the two. -E ----------------------------- Moderator's note: You're right -- my attempt at humor was a bit unfair to Pru. Discussing finance and discussing aliens really isn't on the same level of salt. I don't have any doubt that if she says she did X, she did. It was just the way Bill put it that made it seem funny to me. The tone I sensed reminded me of my little girl, who is so earnest and open, and will say something really far out about someone (e.g., their dad owns Oklahoma ;-)) and I say, "How do you know?" and she says -- with the utmost sincerity -- "Well they TOLD me!" LOL! It just cracked me up. Like, it's just that easy! :-) PJ pjrv : Messages : 2444-2507 of 4038
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#2444

From: greenmn900... Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 2:04 pm Subject: Re: Re: No more Larger Universe/Pru and money greenmn900... Hi Tunde, Thanks for the information. I wondered where this "making millions" concept came from. Whatever she is facing, it must be serious to cause her to give up that kind of income, considering that the only real overhead would be the pay the RVers receive. So most of the gross would theoretically wind up as profit. Best Regards, Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

#2507

From: greenmn900... Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 1:45 pm Subject: Re: Re: No more Larger Universe/Pru and money greenmn900... Hi, > E Wrote: > "Well I tend to be skeptical of stuff. But since I live in the area > and have seen most of the TDS (or former TDS) facilities, viewers, > sessions (well not most of the sessions obviously), etc. I figure > that a large monitary influx would be needed to support such an > infrastructure even if it was just for a few months." It's a shame to see a successful group of RVers having problems, and it sounds like they must be pretty serious. I hope they don't quit RVing completely. Maybe Pru will be able to pull them all back together and start TDS running again. I wish them all well. Best Regards, Don pjrv : Messages : 2391-2510 of 4038
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#2391

From: Timelord2029... Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 8:37 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 226 psitrooper24 > I've seen some very to the point and accurate > data coming out of Pru's people and trainees. Much of it and the drawings > too so damn neat too it's kinda sickening, as my scrawling is so bad its > naturaly encrypted. Anybody better pick my brain first, too many man hours > in breaking my code. Hi Fortune, you bring tears to eyes you do Thanks for that :))) peace, tunde Reply | Forward

#2392

From: TaraMori... Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 6:37 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 226 TaraMori... > merrywell7 writes: > i was there at the Light out class too and yes the moment class chose > forbidden classified target, which I personally voted loudly against! maybe you put the lights out. It happens when strong feelings and psi mix. How loudy did you feel about it? Just curious. Tamra Reply | Forward

#2422

From: "Eva" Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 1:51 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 226 k9caninek9 If Fortune could put out 5 blocks just from that, then there would be a hell of a lot more power outages in that area where she lives. -E --- In pjrv...oups.com, TaraMori...ote: > maybe you put the lights out. It happens when > strong feelings and psi mix. > How loudy did you feel about it? Just curious. Reply | Forward

#2462

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 7:49 pm Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 226 docsavagebill Hi Eva, I don't think Fortune triggered it, but she may have sensed the consequences.. I had a creepy feeling when I was about to announce the voting.. G Bill Reply | Forward

#2510

From: Richard Krankoski Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 7:18 pm Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 226 Rich_crv Wow, Between Pru and Ted...uhhh Ed... RV world is in for some hyper hyped times. Weren't Joe's and Lyn's new books enough? Rich pjrv : Messages : 2527-2583 of 4038
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#2527

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 1:55 am Subject: Re: |-_-| Re: Re: No more Larger Universe/Pru and money ozblueriver Don was saying: >>>>It's a shame to see a successful group of RVers having problems, and it sounds like they must be pretty serious.>>>>> I've tried to figure out what exactly Pru is trying to say. If RV can be double tasked.....that's interesting but not enought to close down her group. If the Gov. is somehow using us to their own ends.....so what's new. If a group ends up influencing each other to wear similar colours.....big deal. That has been the norm for ever. Just look at how normal people behave as a group in a street riot. If someone is Remote Influencing us....now that to me is a big deal. Some people us are capable of knowing when someone is thinking of them or RVing them but how do we know if we have missed something. And not all people are able to know when it happens. Pru doesn't seem the type to buckle easly. And I'm sure she wouldn't close shop just because someone tried to RI her or use her sessions for their own use. Likewise I'm sure she would empower her students rather than let them fall prey to fear. So for Pru to close shop I'm thinking that maybe she was made to. I'm sure there are people in world who would be extrememy uncomfortable knowing that Pru and her team could find out anything they set their minds on. If she has been threatened she has children to think about. Maybe she can't tell us any more than she has hinted at. She could be just a drama queen, but that's not enought to close shop either. :) Cheers Liz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: TaraMori... Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 5:41 am Subject: Re: |-_-| Re: Re: No more Larger Universe/Pru and money TaraMori... > Liz wrote: > And I'm sure she wouldn't close shop just because someone tried to RI her or > use her sessions for their own use. Maybe since there is a war going on, she might. Assuming it's the American government doing it might be a huge mistake. Just my opinion. Tamra ------------------------------- Moderator's note: If the Arabs have figured out a way to secretly capture ALL electronic communications from Americans, right down to copy machines, we are already doomed. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 8:15 am Subject: Re: |-_-| Re: Re: No more Larger Universe/Pru and money greenmn900... Hi Liz, Yeah, there could be many different reasons why she closed shop. It makes a damned-tempting RV target doesn't it? Although I believe that would probably be stepping across some ethical boundaries. But I doubt that it's just the effectiveness of her group. Many people are very good RVers and many still continue to RV for the public for a price. I doubt if she presented more of a threat to any powerful one or any powerful group than other RVers on a large level. Unless she had targeted someone or some group, that is. That would change everything. The only speculation I feel comfortable making is that they feel threatened somehow, individually and as a group. And they don't have the knowledge or the power to defend themselves properly. Or it could be any other of a number of things. I hope it works out well for them in the end. Best Regards, Don Reply | Forward

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From: Richard Krankoski Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 9:46 pm Subject: Re: |-_-| Re: Re: No more Larger Universe/Pru and money Rich_crv Elizabeth Hambrook wrote: > Don was saying: > >>>>It's a shame to see a successful group of RVers having problems, and it > sounds like they must be pretty serious.>>>>> > > I've tried to figure out what exactly Pru is trying to say. > If RV can be double tasked.....that's interesting but not enought to close down her group. Well, it looks like hrvg is also taking a shot at Pru with Dick's latest posting. Strange behavior indeed considering their continuing sucking up to Drama King Ed Dames. Rich Reply | Forward

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From: greenmn900... Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:12 am Subject: Re: |-_-| Re: Re: No more Larger Universe/Pru and money greenmn900... Hi Rich, You wrote: "Well, it looks like hrvg is also taking a shot at Pru with Dick's latest posting. Strange behavior indeed considering their continuing sucking up to Drama King Ed Dames." Yeah, I saw that post by Dick and responded to it. He was describing a mistake in the way hrvg had conducted a series of sessions and seemed to be assuming that TDS had made the same mistake. I don't know whether they did or not. I basically agreed with him about the points he was making. I think he's right. But he's wrong to assume that TDS made the same mistake - unless he's *not assuming* and indeed knows that they did. I also tried to point out that even though I agree with him that some phenomena surrounding RV are not really proven, and that I always question even my own experience, anecdotal evidence *is* worth something and should be given some amount of weight - especially if it's experienced by a number of different people over time. Strange how people affiliate themselves in terms of friendliness and doing favors for each other with different people and seem to bring them close or hold them at a distance based upon different criteria, I guess. I see Dames as much more damaging to the field than Pru. It looks like hrvg sees things oppositely, at least it looks that way. Best Regards, Don pjrv : Messages : 2574-2655 of 4038
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#2574

From: Timelord2029... Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 2:07 am Subject: Re:No more Larger Universe/Pru and money psitrooper24 > Rich wrote: > Well, it looks like hrvg is also taking a shot at Pru with > Dick's latest posting. Strange behavior indeed considering > their continuing sucking up to Drama King Ed Dames. Hi Rich, yep. But i think its just baiting tactics to be honest:) If they want to talk conspiracy and zulu crap and then blame it all on one simple excuse as ..."The data was just bad" thats fine. However they should do well to remmeber they have played a part in the past regaridng Conspiracy theories such as the "ufo infiltration in the RV community" and the refusal to publish their internet proclaimed Mission to mars as a result. Come on :)) I suspect the real reason for the non show of that project(if one is to believe Dicks latest Zulu article commests) is that "the data was just bad" Then there is aome really weird comments coming from dick about Ed dames and making RV history if he finaly gets "one" RV prediction hit about the NK situation. Strange days Peace, Tunde Reply | Forward

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From: "PJ Gaenir" Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 8:47 am Subject: Dames and hrvg pjgaenir Hi Tunde, > yep. But i think its just baiting tactics to be honest:) Well, yer baiting 'em here I guess. Several hrvg people are on this list you know. They are welcome to fight back if they wish, lol. > If they want to talk conspiracy and zulu crap and then blame > it all on one simple excuse as > ..."The data was just bad" thats fine. All I can say to that is that, as long as the information that led Prudence to her conclusion is not given to others, they are not going to share her conclusion, and they will be forced to come to their own. It is her choice to have made a big public thing and then left out massive detail/specifics. She lives with the consequences of her communications.... as usual. > about Ed dames and making RV history if he finaly > gets "one" RV prediction hit about the NK situation. As if, frankly, that could not be predicted without psychic means. As if that would make up for his previous NK prediction that did NOT happen. As if that would make up for a zillion other predictions which did NOT happen. And we are not just talking about small predictions here, but alien revelations and the annihilation of life on earth. ;-) Glenn decided a long time ago to join Dames for whatever reason, who the hell knows. When I called him out on it on the Stargate list, he claimed Ed was just someone he was friendly to, just like he's friendly to others, and proceeded to list a couple others he's been bitterly hostile to like they were his equally best buddies, LOL, so you know, it's all politics and I'm at the point of believing nothing the minute a mouth opens. That's OK. Birds of a feather. It's his life. And it's really improving his ... reputation and credibility in the field. Not. PJ Reply | Forward

#2587

From: Timelord2029... Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 9:30 am Subject: Re: Dames and hrvg psitrooper24 In a message dated 3/10/2003 9:47:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, palyne...horizon.com writes: > it's all politics and I'm at the > point of believing nothing the minute a mouth opens. Hi PJ I know how you feel. Its the joint sessions and ideas exchange plus general info that keeps one coming back and keeping the faith for me anyway. Peace, Tunde Reply | Forward

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From: Juha Koskelainen Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 9:33 am Subject: Re: Dames and hrvg velhox > On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, PJ Gaenir wrote: > Glenn decided a long time ago to join Dames for whatever reason, who the > hell knows. When I called him out on it on the Stargate list, he claimed Ed > ... There's a bit of that story in the HRVG.org bbs message archives, and now with the new search function it's easier to find, too. From Message ID 13938: "Initially I had no intention to begin teaching and had considered hooking up with Major Dames as PsiTech began to emerge into the public. When Major Dames and Moorehouse founded PsiTech it seemed that in the civilian world these were going to be the crew to link up with. I spent a great deal of time standing by while they got things rolling. Along the way I continued to RV with a few Army buddies and worked some projects, but my goal was to work with PsiTech. It became increasingly difficult to deal with several issues at PsiTech and in the end elected to do what seemed the most appropriate. That being to form a guild, not a company. I wanted to work with other Remote Viewers and gain access to the only real thing of value....RV Data." http://devel.hrvg.org:8080/mod-bin/bulletin-board-message-archive/print-thread.p\ l?cn=51ea51ee1aa7b02c98b02e9df72bff73 (Now there's a monster url ;-) The search is at http://devel.hrvg.org:8080/mainbbs-fulltext-search/ - Lucid ------------------------- Moderator's note: Fascinating. Every time a new explanation is forthcoming, his RV history goes farther back. One minute none of these guys ever heard of him and think he's some psycho making claims, but give it a few years, and he's been one of them all along. Ahhh..... I love the RV field. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Juha Koskelainen Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 1:33 pm Subject: Re: Dames and hrvg velhox >Moderator's note: Fascinating. Every time a new explanation is forthcoming, >his RV history goes farther back. One minute none of these guys ever heard >of him and think he's some psycho making claims, but give it a few years, >and he's been one of them all along. Ahhh..... I love the RV field. PJ I really don't know what you are talking about, PJ. I've been following HRVG discussions for five years or so, and I've never found any reason to doubt Glenn's integrity. I believe you have seriously misunderstood some things along the way. You do know that Joe M has vouched for him, don't you..? - Lucid ----------------------------- Moderator's note: I'll address this in my own message. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "pjgaenir" Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 8:42 pm Subject: Re: Dames and hrvg pjgaenir > I've never found any reason to > doubt Glenn's integrity. [snip] > You do know that Joe M has vouched for him, don't you..? Hi Juha. Two separate subjects here really. First - just tellin' it like I see it in this case. I'm not questioning his integrity; the inference is there, but the facts provide that no my saying so. It may be that 'more and more of the story' gets told each time. Certainly things look different in today's light than they did years ago; I could swear every time I turn around someone's history has just been revised to more interesting glory, but perhaps this was just a -- a lack of such info being available or shared way back when, plus seemingly contradictory info being around. (Gee, that combination could confuse anyone...) I stated that some time ago stargate folks were swearing they not only didn't know Glenn but he couldn't be legit, and that's the diplomatic version of many of the comments LOL -- that has got to be remembered by anybody around this field, unless you weren't around anybody but the Guild. Now everyone's workin' to be nice to each other of course. Didn't used to be such a kinder, gentler field though. I mentioned it only because it gave context. That was true. Just because Glenn was 'exposed' to RV does not mean the stargate people knew him. They didn't. (I have to exclude Ed from this since I don't talk to him. Nobody else I talked with did though -- about 6 others.) Joe's limited knowledge about Glenn is from a completely different source than the program. I'm not the one who makes the events in this field. I just mention them now and then. Which is real unpopular when history keeps changing all the time. If other people want to gradually rewrite stuff (and it's convenient if new friends support this), I can't do anything about that, but damn if I am going to sit quiet through all the new politically correct versions. As to Joe McMoneagle 'vouching' for Glenn, this whole use of Joe's name for the sole credibility of Wheaton has gone too far. Joe's comments were deliberately brief, and the assumption that this constitutes personal support and confirmation of anything Glenn is currently doing is wrong. At the time Joe said something, the insults toward Glenn were getting pretty personal and rude. It was even asked if he was 'really' in the military at all for example, really stupid stuff. I myself suggested to Joe that Glenn was teaching free, did not seem to be hurting anybody, and had suffered a lot of crap from people. Joe said publicly that Glenn had been a good soldier, had been a stand up guy when he knew of him, and had been 'exposed to' RV. Period. Lots of people were exposed to RV. Senators were exposed to RV. College students and scientists and consultants and secretaries were exposed to RV. That comment carries no voucher for skill or credibility or degree. It means only what it says. Joe knows no detail about any experience Glenn may or may not have had in RV, knows no detail about any skill he may or may not have in RV, knows no detail about his current operations with RV, and has no comment to make in any regard to Glenn's qualifications or legitimacy as a result. He does not, in other words, "vouch for him." He will acknowledge that Glenn, like many others, was indeed 'exposed to' RV. That is really not the same thing. Seriously, it's not your fault, I guess you're just the final straw leaning on my hot button -- but I'm getting kinda sick of seeing Joe's name dragged in to support Wheaton for anything more than the very simple comments he made. At the time, the situation toward Glenn was quite unfair and Joe was trying to bring some balance in. The more Wheaton loves Dames and the more HRVG people act like Joe somehow legitimizes whatever Glenn is doing, the more I think it's done Joe more harm than good that he ever said anything at all. PJ --- In pjrv...oups.com, Juha Koskelainen >Moderator's note: Fascinating. Every time a new explanation is forthcoming, > >his RV history goes farther back. One minute none of these guys ever heard > >of him and think he's some psycho making claims, but give it a few years, > >and he's been one of them all along. Ahhh..... I love the RV field. PJ > > I really don't know what you are talking about, PJ. I've been following > HRVG discussions for five years or so, and I've never found any reason to > doubt Glenn's integrity. I believe you have seriously misunderstood some > things along the way. > > You do know that Joe M has vouched for him, don't you..? > > - Lucid Reply | Forward

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From: Juha Koskelainen Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 5:10 am Subject: Re: Re: Dames and hrvg velhox On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, pjgaenir wrote: > The more Wheaton loves Dames and the more HRVG people act like Joe > somehow legitimizes whatever Glenn is doing, the more I think it's > done Joe more harm than good that he ever said anything at all. Everything you said up to this point was reasonable and rational, and something I was mostly aware of. I did not know about your part, wasn't sure whether you knew about Joe's simple statement or not. Glenn's story really is just bits and pieces, there's no book out, but still given all I know about the matter, and about HRVG's history and methods, and Glenn's demonstrations of his talent, it is clear he's not some "psycho", but a true expert on Remote Viewing. You seem very emotional about Dames, and for that I don't blame you. But I would think most people with serious interest in RV (and that certainly includes most if not all of HRVG) already know what he is, or isn't. You don't want to talk to Dames, fine. I wouldn't either. Inviting him to one of HRVG's parties hardly constitutes "love". AFAIK, Glenn's Island of Sanity still stands, and Dames doesn't exactly fit in it. - Lucid Reply | Forward

#2603

From: Richard Krankoski Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:08 pm Subject: Re: Dames and hrvg Rich_crv Juha Koskelainen wrote: > > Moderator's note: Fascinating. Every time a new explanation is forthcoming, his RV history goes farther back. One minute none of these guys ever heard of him and think he's some psycho making claims, but give it a few years, and he's been one of them all along. Ahhh..... I love the RV field. PJ > I guess the only really smart ones are the "buddies" still locked in their closets. :) Maybe its some kind of gestation period. If ya come out too soon ya might not have feathers or not be allowed to cross the road let alone know why you are doing so. Rich Reply | Forward

#2655

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 5:55 pm Subject: Re:No more Larger Universe/Pru and money docsavagebill Hi Tunde, > Then there is aome really weird comments coming from > dick about Ed dames and making RV history if he finaly > gets "one" RV prediction hit about the NK situation. I can't imagine why just because he predicts a nuke attack he suddenly gains credibility. Lots of people are perpetually predicting nuke attacks. Is the real reason for sudden credibility that Dick or Glen also did a similiar session? That's a tad more worrisome. Best Regards, Bill ------------------------- Moderator's note: It's a tad more confusing if you ask me. PJ

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