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pjrv : Messages : 1317-1379 of 4038
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From: "PJ Gaenir" Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 6:56 pm Subject: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection dennanm I recently read Robert Bruce's book on Psychic Protection. This is rather out of character for me, as I generally feel that (a) we create our own reality, in a Sethian sense, and (b) that there is not much existing, if anything, that I with the help of Archangel Michael can't handle. But so many separate people mentioned it to me I figured it was a sign, so I read it Friday night and early Saturday. I am sort of bemused and ambivalent about it. On one hand, there do seem to be legitimate "astral THINGS" which exist -- I've definitely experienced an astral spider nasty, and had another quite strange experience I think might relate to an energy shift causing negative energies to leave my energy body. And my previous husband was once possessed. Literally. So that made a believer out of me. Wish I'd believed soon enough to spare a lot of time suffering until I did. I've encountered more entities than I can count, as well as elementals and the consciousness of seemingly inanimate objects. I don't rule out that everything has awareness (though not necessarily self-awareness which is different), and that some might approach humans for 'energy'. Actually I think that goes on all the time. Even with human to human, never mind negative astral entities, or "Negs" as he calls them. But I don't think I have the prerequisite level of psychic paranoia to be fully in line with everything he discusses. I have never considered moles, freckles, benign tiny cysts, etc. to be some kind of negative entity "attachment," to begin with. Although this is such a novel idea to me that I'm open to considering it. I mean if mass is energy, then it IS energy, and it IS attached, and in most cases it did not START on your body. So by those parameters, it IS an 'energetic attachment'. Whether it's an 'entity' so to speak, I dunno. He has an actual procedure for ridding your body of anything of this sort. So I am going to psyche myself up until I don't find it funny anymore - as I worry this will somehow negate it - and then draw sacred symbols around a tiny mole and see what happens. :-) They are supposed to start drying up and peeling off after awhile. Which is better than the dealing with small cysts under the skin, which at least for him / allegedly when you properly exorcise that little energy will burst bloody leaving a small hole where the cyst was. (Effective, if gory.) He suggests that the soles of the feet are an area 'negative energies' often come through at night, and that rubbing garlic on the soles or or placing garlic slices between double socks is a good 'ward' (he doesn't use the word Ward). He has suggestions for garlic, herbs, holy water, sacred symbols, and placement around the house. And my neighbors think I'm weird NOW. I love garlic. Have you guys ever tried, peel some garlic cloves, and cut some cheddar cheese into fat little sticks, then take a bite of raw clove, and then a quick bite of the cheddar cheese. The dull absorption of the cheese kills the "sting" of the garlic, it is really pretty yummy. If you're not into that, green onions will suffice nicely in place of the garlic. I often get cravings for raw garlic out of the blue and that's the only way I can eat it. Well at least we know *I* am not a vampire, LOL. Anyway, I am curious as to what others think about "psychic protection". Do you feel a need for protection? What do you feel you need protecting from? Do you feel sincere prayer to a deity of some form will suffice? If one "needs protection" in general, what does that mean to RV, where one is opening up to whatever the target is? What if a person were targeted on an evil entity? Just curious what people think. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Scott Ellis" Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 9:01 pm Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection scottrver PJ, > I have never considered moles, freckles, benign tiny cysts, etc. to > be some kind of negative entity "attachment," to begin with. OK, if a freckle or mole is a negative entity then I've got lots of excuses for everything that's ever gone wrong in my life. So all you have to do is draw a sacred symbol around it? What's the symbol? And then that will get rid of my negs? BTW, I've read his book Astral Dynamics and enjoyed it quite a bit. I've only tried a couple of his techniques thus far so I can't vouch for it yet. Scott Reply | Forward

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From: "Nita" Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 7:29 pm Subject: Re: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection nitahickok Hello Scott It is a cross or any other symbol you consider sacred. I tried it on warts, and such nothing happens. He calls it attachment points that energetic negs feed off of and attach too. A lot of people may consider it high drama but if you listen to the people on Art Bell and consider just a few of them may really have something wrong it is enough to think about. I myself don't care for Garlic on the skin. Nita Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:38 am Subject: Re: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection docsavagebill Hi PJ, Sharon, Nita and All, I treat with respect what Bruce says.. but its a complicated area.. I hesitate to post on it, since simplistic points of view just don't apply. For instance since taking Rob's class , I can feel that moles etc.. have a slightly different energy signature from the rest of your skin. They send a "ray" out of your aura.. It may be that negs could chord to that or use that to there advantage. But I don't believe that all of them are attached to negs. I don't think Bruce realy meant that. But they may afford Negs some access at times. Also Bruce clearly says that he was hesitant in publishing that book since a paranoid fear of Negs can actually facilitate them.. Denial of their existence is a way of sealing them out.. to a degree!..but it seems that does not always work either. Sometimes one is forced to fight other ways or be victimized. So I guess I'm glad I read it..as a potential defense if necessary..but also don't want to dote on it.. . See it's just not a simple area..G Best Wishes, Bill Reply | Forward

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From: "Glyn" Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 4:40 pm Subject: RE: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection gebega Hi PJ and all, This is really interesting (another long one coming up ;-). Now this is my own personal opinion, and I know others will insist that what I think is rubbish, and I cannot/will not argue with them because I do not really know. I just ask they respect my views. Over the years, long before I became involved with RV, I have gradually come to firmly believe (note I do not say I *know*), that focused intent by one party could affect another mentally at least. I'm not talking about physical effects, that is another thing (worthy of discussion though), and I am not so sure about my feelings towards that side of it, but it may also happen. I believe that this could be used for good or for bad purposes. I think it is weak, but if focus is good, either consciously or maybe *unconsciously*, then it might have some effect, either instant, or over an extended period. That said, I do put up a mental 'barrier' if I sort of feel that my sub is trying to tell me something (I am talking everyday life here, not in an RV session, but I guess the same would apply). I might find myself feeling 'vulnerable' or just vaguely uncomfortable, or perhaps even extremely agitated and I haven't the slightest idea why. I'll try and 'bounce' any negativity to its source; the sub would know where and whether harmful or not, so I give it the job and let it get on with it. Now I know that will sound downright 'flaky' to a lot of people, especially seeing that I'm a fairly pragmatic person, but it is a good 'psychological' barrier to stress as well. Anyway I see I am in good company; no matter what different opinions may believe may be happening; I'm not really a believer in 'entities' though, although I will keep an open mind. I see from a programme on TV earlier this evening (curiously just as I was typing this) that there is/was research by Edinburgh University Parapsychology dept, where they were using randomly selected (by computer) video-clips and a 'sender' and 'receiver'. The idea was to see not only what could be picked up by the receiver, but to to also look for correlations regarding electrical activity in the brains of both parties at the *exact time* the video flashed up and the sender started 'transmitting'; they did find some. It may have been an old programme. I wish I had been paying more attention, because I can't say how much correlation there was, but I must go visit their site, as it sounds very interesting; and possibly very significant. In the light of the above I also have other concerns which maybe some others have considered...but these may sound distinctly odd :-). Say I am watching a television Soap-Opera, and there is, say, a really evil character being played by a really good actor..You know, the sort that can make you get all involved and hate them as if they really existed? Well I genuinely feel uncomfortable at directing that very strong emotion towards someone who is only acting. Now I doubt whether one person can make a difference alone, that I don't know.....but *millions*...directing active hatred towards one person who is only an actor !? It may only take a few dozen who can focus tightly enough to disrupt someone's thinking, to cause anxiety/stress/bad judgement...............maybe more. So, whatever, I try not to do that, and for that reason I also try to avoid sending out focused negative thoughts in my day to day life...like during tiffs with those I love or like. Years ago someone once asked me that if I came across anything unpleasant in an RV session that upset me then to try to deflect that unpleasantness on to them. They were being considerate, probably not totally serious, and only trying to alleviate any fears I may have had about this new thing I was doing, in order to give me confidence. I refused point-blank, but what worried me far more than what I may have perceived in any sessions was that this person may have been telling lots of others to do this........ OK, lock me up as a loony and throw away the key...:-)..... but I have a gut feeling about this that won't go away. Everyone will have their own ideas about this one, some dismissive, some scoffing, some scathing (but probably not that on PJs list ;-)....I will not argue, but I'd like to hear views. But of course, sometimes paranoia is just..................... paranoia ;-)). Kind thoughts, Glyn pjrv : Messages : 1319-1511 of 4038
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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 7:59 pm Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection ozblueriver > PJ wrote: >>>>>I recently read Robert Bruce's book on Psychic Protection. >>>I am sort of bemused and ambivalent about it. From what you have said about the book I think it is the funniest thing I've heard for a long time. Some people just looooove to be scared and then make up all sorts of weird and wonderfull ways of warding of the beasties! Garlic in socks! Ahhhh aha ahahaha! Freckles are evil! Aha haha hahaha! Good one! What will they think of next? Personally I think the thing we should fear most is ourselves. I take the saying...."There is nothing to fear except fear itself", literally. I think that if we invest energy into our fears then they will manifest. I believe we are creators of our own reality and by overcoming a fear we stop manifesting the circumstances that allow that fear to surface. Q: Do you feel a need for protection? A: No. I have never felt a need for protection from anything since I discovered that my fears were what created the thing to be feared in the first place. Q: Do you feel sincere prayer to a deity of some form will suffice? A: I have found that if I pray for help to understand why I fear something I always get answered. Then with the new knowledge I can see how to transform my fear into a more logical view and consequently the circumstances that I feared change. Q:If one "needs protection" in general, what does that mean to RV, where one is opening up to whatever the target is? A: The best protection anyone can get is to not fear anything. Q:What if a person were targeted on an evil entity? A: And what exactly is evil? My views on evil will probably get me into trouble but I think everthing in this world is neutral and evil is only a personal perception based on fear. If I were to be tasked with viewing something that turned out to raise some serious fears in me I would take a look at why I reacted that way. Lets presume I had been tasked with a bloody murder. I viewed it and saw all the blood, gore etc and freaked out. After I pulled myself together I would try and understand why I reacted that way. It's only blood after all and the people involved in the murder were playing out their own karmic story. Why should the sight of it threaten me personally? This sounds cold and very uncool but it's not really. The murderer and victim could be learning some vital and precious lesson. So at the end of the day there is no need for me to fear it or need protection from any further 'evil' targets. .....freckles are evil.........ahahahha Thanks for my daily dose of cheer. :) Liz Reply | Forward

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From: Richard Krankoski Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 9:03 pm Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection Rich_crv > PJ wrote: > I recently read Robert Bruce's book on Psychic Protection. > He suggests that the soles of the feet are an area 'negative > energies' often come through at night, and that rubbing garlic on the > soles or or placing garlic slices between double socks is a > good 'ward' (he doesn't use the word Ward). He has suggestions for garlic, > herbs, holy water, sacred symbols, and placement around the house. > And my neighbors think I'm weird NOW. And I thought Courtney Brown's cool down exercises were weird. :) > Do you feel a need for protection? No. I guess I have never been "spooked" in a real sense. I do get a weird feeling when I let the dog out at night and he frezzes about 10 yards past the floodlight range then turns around and runs fuill speed back to the door leaving me out there alone. :) > What do you feel you need protecting from? N/A > Do you feel sincere prayer to a deity of some form will suffice? Yes. I prayed like heck the night before a relatively minor operation (that nevertheless had me very... ahhh... apprehensive). All of a sudden, I all but "heard" a voice telling me not to be afraid and I became completely relaxed. I remember thinking "wow". > If one "needs protection" in general, what does that mean to RV, > where one is opening up to whatever the target is? N/A > What if a person were targeted on an evil entity? If they haven't gotten Ed Dames yet, I have no fears..... really. I kinda think it fits in with the Drama Queens. Rich Reply | Forward

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From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 10:52 pm Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection sharwebb_30512 Hi, I have read Robert Bruce, and, although he has some very interesting and provocative material in his books, he is coming from a different place than I am. He believes in evil, and if you believe in evil, then you also must hold beliefs about how to protect yourself from it. I believe in various astral "things," too. I have encountered some. But I don't believe in evil (although I do believe in ignorance) and I think many of these thingies are thought forms that we, ourselves, create. Sharon sharwebb...net www.fractalus.com/sharon Reply | Forward

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From: "Nita" Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 7:07 pm Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection nitahickok Hi Sharon People can create their own thought forms that bother them. They are called schema and larvae. You may not believe in evil but there is balance in the universe. Light and dark, good and bad, chaos and order. If you believe in good then you are just ignoring the fact that it has a opposite. The opposite is necessary for good to be more than a word. Now about evil. Evil is present in this world if you read the news, see how people treat other people. It is present more in the ways we do not consider it. Most people will never encounter something that could be called a demon/alien/interdimensional/neg are all things that they have been called. Who can say that we don't observe the evil of a thief, liar or murderer? The cruelty of a husband or wife that beat upon each other? The cruelty of parents who mistreat a child, people who beat dogs or torture animals. We can have different names for it but it is all a part of the negative side of life. We ourselves decide what we become in life and which side of life we emmoulate. I still feel that psychic protection is the same as locking the door. You may never need to do it but you may never need to lock the door on your house either. Nita Protecting yourself in this life is as simple as not placing a electrical appliance where it will drop into the sink. Do you lock your doors? Your car? Psychic protection is the same as locking the doors, and child proofing the electrical outlets. Reply | Forward

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 11:53 pm Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection maliolana Aloha Liz/Sharon, I like your take on this as well...but what about say ...like lousy cruel...uncaring...governments?...Do we create them as well?...As individuals? I agree as a society we do...but on the individual level...aren't there horrible things that we do not create...that can cause great harm to many people?... I understand all the karma stuff ...on a cosmic(holistic) level...but on a physical/animal/primate earth based level...I have a whole nother set of beliefs...together they are my TAO...I guess I have been a mommie too damn many years...Just to know and be satisfied with the probable fact that we are all just playing out some big destiny...already written...I don't fear for myself...I fear for others...I do not fear my own death...I do kinda fear 'how' I die...but I don't obsess about it...(although I have been known to obsess in defense of others)...It is all a mystery to me...hahah...and I prefer it that way...(manner of death/when) But with all these freckles (all over my body)...and moles ...I am evil apparrently...or at least posessed!...hahaha...and my sweetest grandmother had a huge wart on the tip of her nose......ooooo...scarey huh?...hahah Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna Reply | Forward

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Mon Nov 18, 2002 11:21 pm Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection maliolana Aloha Sharon, I think I agree with your analysis...although at times ... the ignorance sure seems like it can produce a lot of evil...and suck unwitting others into it... Fear sucks!...I think it is just a warning to pay attention... much like pain... Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna Reply | Forward

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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:11 am Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection ozblueriver Hi Dawna, you were saying... >>>...but what about say ...like lousy > cruel...uncaring...governments?... > Do we create them as well?...As individuals? > I agree as a society we do...but on the > individual level...aren't there horrible > things that we do not create...that can cause > great harm to many people?...>>>>>>>> I think of us all like fingers on a hand. In a sense we are individuals capable of creating our own lives but we are also very much connected and are in fact one being in the same way that fingers belong to a hand, which belongs to an arm etc. What another 'finger' does can be looked at as not of our doing from one angle, but from another angle it is certainly our doing. It just depends where you are looking from. Maybe the 'hand' is our higher selves and the body that the hand belongs to is the one interconnected being that we all belong to. Mind you, my opinion may be out of wack due to the influence of my evil freckles. The little blighters are every where. Oh my......I've just realized that I have a little mole too! You had better ignore everything I've said.... Liz Reply | Forward

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From: Karl Boyken Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:23 am Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection kboyken Well, hmmm... What happens when a dermatologist removes a mole, then? Maybe I need to pay mine for depossession. I've read Astral Dynamics, and I still practice my own variant of the energy work he outlines there. But not everything in that book clicked with me. I haven't read Psychic Protection. I doubt I will. I'm not drawn in that direction. I don't feel the need to consciously protect myself. I feel I am protected by whatever it is that got me safely through childhood and adolescence. I was very self-destructive and would not be here typing this if it weren't for intervention by something nonphysical. What would I need protection from? Myself! Ha! Seriously, from my own fears. I feel that whether or not there is anything nasty out there, what has caused me the most problems are my own fears. I don't really need protection from them, though. I need to work through them. So, in that regard, I feel any encounter is a blessing, an opportunity to resolve something, to reintegrate a part of myself that I've stuffed down into my shadow. Is prayer to a deity enough? Maybe. You'd have to ask someone who prays a lot in that manner. I don't have enough RV experience to comment on whether or not RV opens a person up to attack. I had this thought flash at me--I wonder what would happen if you probed a mole or freckle the same way you'd probe an ideogram in CRV? I too love garlic, and green onions. I should say, my taste buds love them. Usually about twelve hours after eating, my stomach reminds me that it doesn't, and I have to trek down to the fridge and help myself to some Maalox. So, although the cheddar cheese and raw garlic sounds yummy, I think I'll pass. -- Karl Boyken kboyken...t http://soli.inav.net/~kboyken/ We dance 'round in a ring and suppose, while the Secret sits in the middle and knows. --Robert Frost Reply | Forward

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From: "Nita" Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 5:47 am Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection nitahickok Hi Karl That is a interesting question about probing the mole. I have some warts I may try that on out of scientific interest. I know most warts are caused by bacteria. I also agree that most peoples problems are caused by their inner selves. I have found that anything that is removed is normally attached to a negative moment in life. Robert has something in the book that is called core image removal that is really handy to use in getting over past events. It takes the energy out of them. It seems to really help with blockages like PJ's archaeous exercises. I have used it many times on myself to remove bad things that have happened in the past. I really suggest it for anyone who is doing psi work as it may work where some of the other methods don't work properly. Anyone who is having neg problems has to work on some aspect of themselves that is causing some of this. A lot of times it might be being so open with out protection. My teacher always told me that if you can see them they can see you! It would help with targets because it will make it so you have less flaws in your energetic flow and you can link to the signal line better. If you have shields then you can view the most horrible violent targets and not have it reach your inner self. The things that can trap you in a negative cycle won't have the energy that they did without the shields. It is more like seeing something happen with all the emotions and visuals. It doesn't take on a life of its own within you. Nita ------------------------- Moderator's note: A recently published research study showed that duct tape applied long-term to warts worked far better for getting rid of them than any expensive medicines doing essentially the same thing, and had a much higher rate of them not returning than even surgery did. Gods, is there ANYTHING that can't be done with pliers, a mallet and duct tape? LOL! PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:05 pm Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection docsavagebill Hi Nita, Bruce seems to indicate that almost all neg influences come initially thru some emotionally negative situation.. Those produce weak points in our energy bodies that can be exploited. And He mentions as you say how to close those. An intriguing idea, which also points to the importance of positive thinking in all this. The more negative you are the more vulnerable you become.. So I don't adivse people on this as believing that negs don't exist ( if you really have confidence in it) is going to shield you do some degree. I would never try to talk people out of this unless they were showing symptoms of a serious attack and at that point would probably not argue..:-) Best Regards, Bill Reply | Forward

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From: "Nita Hickok" Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:52 pm Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection nitahickok Hi Bill Fears and attitudes do play a big deal on the astral plane. I have traveled all over and have been bothered by very few things. I can never remember a time anything attached to me or had problems with it on the astral. I do remember when I started out things trying to scare me and other OOBers trying to intimidate me. It has never worked. I do see people with chronic problems and most of them always have points it attaches too. I have also found that most of the people have a attitude where they are used to being blamed for everything. They just accept that they are to blame on a basic level and it seems to give things permission. I figure that when I help them out I give them a chance to change themselves and make their lives better. It is there free will whether or not they will do it. Nita Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 3:47 pm Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection docsavagebill HI NITA, Interesting! So we all need asertiveness training before going astral. Actually this again reminds me of the senoid dream method.( which may also have included astral projection). The parents shamans and elders of the tribe taught the children from birth to never be afraid of anything in a dream or vision..always DEMAND THAT it respect and obey them. The result was (said at least by anthropologists of the time0 that this tribe had the highest level of peak emotional experiences of any group studied in the world.. If you see a tiger in waking life.. run! But in the astral or dream world. never flee always fight or make friends or make love! Best Regards, Bill Reply | Forward

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From: "Scott Ellis" Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 10:00 pm Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection scottrver Nita and Bill, So how would you know if you have a problem with a neg or some type of attack - what are the symptoms? Scott --------------------- Moderator's note: Breathing. LOL. - PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Nita Hickok" Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:17 pm Subject: Re: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection nitahickok Hi Scott The main thing I always go by is seeing something out of the corner or your eye. Seeing dark energy around all of the time. Hearing voices is a definite moment. You notice that you are having some of the worse luck in the world. I mean really bad stuff not just simple stuff. You feel blocked, etc. I have a couple of articles on the website www.astralpulse.com but I think everyone knows when things are not natural around them on a basic level. Nita ----------------------- Moderator's note: Thanks Nita. Sorry for being so flippant. It just comes over me - sometimes I think I really shouldn't be allowed a keyboard after 9pm. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Nita Hickok" Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 3:53 am Subject: Re: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection nitahickok Hi PJ It is a basic reaction to things like this because everyone hopes they are ridiculous. I wonder if everyone watched the movie Jabberwocky. It is by Monty Python. I think the part that made everyone realize how real the dragon really was started right at the beginning of the movie. They found a huge steaming pile of dragon dung with swords sticking out of it. How discouraging but it shows that whoever wrote that movie understood human nature. It is a defensive reflex because if you can joke about something it can't be that bad. Nita Reply | Forward

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From: "PJ Gaenir" Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:26 pm Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection dennanm > --- In pjrv...Nita Hickok" It is a defensive reflex because if you can > joke about something it can't be that bad. Hi Nita. Maybe you're right. The thought that someone would consider a freckle or mole a negative energy/entity attachment must have been just a little too far over the top for me I guess. Much of the other stuff, seemed a way of looking at things I could grok, maybe not the only way, but not any more or less proven or likely than anything else. As I'd mentioned, some of the things I'd had some experience with myself, so did understand. You know, sometimes I remember this period I went through, ineffably Binah!, where every thing I perceived was in polarities. Every word, every sentence I heard or read, equally meant its opposite, which equally meant its opposite below that, which equally meant its opposite below that. It was like everything existed on four levels -- two pairs of polar opposites which in turn became one pair which in turn was one. It mirror'd the "four elementals of soul" I experienced as aspects of Self as well, and I finally decided it was like the four worlds in QBL. Well maybe when it comes to this kind of thing, the "polarities" ARE really true. Maybe one CAN believe you create your own reality and also believe that negative energies/entities are everywhere and not have any dichotomy between it. I admit that of my (surely many) faults, a main one is that I don't take "threats" very seriously. I just flat out don't worry about stuff that is a danger to me even when I really should. It's a sort of reverse of paranoia. I have even been in life situations like that, once with a pycho stalker, where despite what was a *daily* evil and attempt to destroy me with other people I worked with and knew and corresponded with, I considered the person's behavior irrational and obviously in need of major therapy and medication, but just felt rather sorry for her being such a mess. It angered me when it affected my life, but I felt "doing something" about it could harm my job (and she was SO crazy, while I was ludicrously nice to her and pretended nothing was going on, that doing anything angry to set her off was unthinkable). She was fired from our corporation for stalking myself and another woman, and other related problems, days after she finally did something to set me off (an active threat to my kid). I, ever the calm professional in a business environment, who'd put up with crap everybody else insisted they would have wigged out over eons before, finally yelled at her in front of everybody, put the entire room in shock. Our boss was utterly unsympathetic to her given what he knew of her, and called in his boss who took statements from our whole team and added them to the around 1001 formal complaints against her pathological lying from the other 73 members of the dept. (in union gov't contractor places, getting anyone fired is nearly impossible!) to finally make it official. But it took a threat to my child to actually drive me to the point of being angry enough to take action, after a year of misery on my own. (That reminds me that the infamous Ghenghis Gene of ERV had a tiny but hilarious role in all that. This person would contact him and he would bounce her emails forward to me instantly. That was a big help and gave me documentation later.) Anyway, so I'm just admitting that obviously, I do have some issue with taking "threats to me" seriously, even when they very obviously ARE threatening and ARE serious. I had a strange childhood and one of the things I learned to fight was paranoia, because I'd have gone totally flippin' nuts if I had allowed myself to be paranoid -- even though I certainly had more cause for legit feelings in that vein than most. Since I couldn't change it, and since the chronic fear/worry/frustration only ruined my attitude and health, I learned to shrug it off and not worry much about it. Deal with things as they come and "don't take it personally" is kind of the attitude I developed. So, maybe it's a sort of dysfunction that I don't worry about "negative entities". Maybe there is some middle, balanced ground where I could be concerned about them and take action toward preventing or ridding them, without getting too paranoid about it. But I'm a seth nut and the creating-reality concept really works for me, and I'm having a hard time reconciling that philosophy with the one about anything "outside me coming to get me" I guess. But like I said above, maybe both are somehow true. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Nita Hickok" Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 1:36 pm Subject: Re: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection nitahickok Hi PJ There is something called elemental balance. It seems to make it where you know the opposites and can almost pick the path where you don't get hurt. I had the same attitude a lot during my life. It was like I knew no matter how bad things got I could still be alright. A friend of mine said it was just not having a good imagination. People who are afraid all of the time can imagine every horrible thing that will come to be. It then happens where they are afraid to step outdoors if it gets to bad. I have a tendancy to be paranoid of some things. I also am more worried for everyone else than myself. I have found a lot of my problems are resolved by stating my views. Letting things drop and then what will happen will happen. I read the book called The power of Now and realized that my happiest moments had been when I existed in that space. Nita Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 3:56 pm Subject: Re: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection docsavagebill Hi Nita, As I said I respect what Bruce says.. but also note that believing that you have bad luck..or blocked..etc..may be just the catalyst that attracts the darkenss in..its sort of a egg vs chicken thing. Most of the people who have serious psychic attacks seem to have mental emotional problems..BUT NOT ALL. I know of some very balanced people who have had trouble. So I just assume it's some of both..until I get more information. Best Regards, Bill Reply | Forward

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From: "Nita Hickok" Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 1:20 pm Subject: Re: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection nitahickok Hi Bill The best methods I have found to undo the tendancy to attract negs is a prayer I have that involves forgiveness of yourself and everyone else. I found that the people who kept saying it and working upon themselves seem to release the energy that makes these things happen to them. I always try to get them to use introspection and loving kindness meditations also. I think almost every religion has meditations upon a website called www.beliefnet.com I know that is the way to go. I advise them to find something that seems to release the inner problems and then the outer problems won't happen again. I know that it is normally multiple things that causes people problems. Nita Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 8:41 pm Subject: Re: Re: ARV trials..When? docsavagebill Hello PJ, When do we get to do a prediction? We have several football Bowl games comming up followed by the superbowl. Will we invade Iraq this year? We can predict the stock market if nothing else.. lets go! Bill __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Reply | Forward

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From: "PJ Gaenir" Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 10:58 pm Subject: Re: Re: ARV trials..When? dennanm Howdy Doc, I'd prefer to pick something we are reasonably certain WILL happen -- war isn't THAT certain (please god) within the next month or 2. That way I am fairly certain about the feedback loop. It's up to members to nominate upcoming events or things they want to do some ARV on. I'll pick one (I'll say which so you know) and arrange some targeting. I can arrange multiple session taskings for those people who feel (I think Scott mentioned this) that every viewer should have different options. Maybe some people who have good rapport want to try doing the same set deliberately. Whatever. My thought is that if you guys submit sessions, you can LEAVE YOUR NAME OFF if you want to be private, that is fine -- Then I will send, say, each session to a few people who had a DIFFERENT target- decoy set, and have THEM help me 'judge' which of the potentials the session likely matches. That way everybody who participates will get to do both a session and some judging, likely more than one on judging, sound OK? You guys will need to send your sessions to my personal email address though because the list strips off attachments. Then you guys as the members decide whether I should, after the feedback, put the sessions in the library for reference, so those who don't participate can go look things over and everyone can see all the other stuff they weren't involved in. Regards, PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Scott Ellis" Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:54 pm Subject: Re: ARV trials..When? scottrver > PJ wrote: > I'd prefer to pick something we are reasonably > certain WILL happen -- war isn't THAT > certain (please god) within the next month or 2. Hi PJ, War works fine, but it might not be my first choice. If war starts by 12/31/02 feed back picture A, if not feed back picture B. Also on the war theme you could ask if we're going to have another public terrorist attack in the U.S. before 12/31/02. On the judging of sessions, I can almost guarantee you that everyone won't judge on the same scale. Your criteria needs to be well defined. The 8 point scale used by CSL is good but kind of tough to go by. Greg K's is pretty good. Scott ----------------------- Moderator's note: Well given my schedule I'll be doing this in my sleep, so as far as I'm concerned, the judging is a simple rank. First choice, second choice, third choice (if an 'other' is in the mix). Numeric sum between judges is winner subject to my arbitrary interference -- I might ask for a couple more judges in cases where I really think it is still unclear, or too close. Didn't wanna make it rocket science or highly complex. Your suggestions for targeting war are good. I wonder what we call war when we go bomb places but it isn't war, or when we occupy them but it isn't war, or when we go to war but are in a cease-fire on the given date, lol. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Glyn" Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 5:01 am Subject: RE: Re: ARV trials..When? gebega Hi PJ, I've got a bit behind in following this.....Can we start sending you (PEM) idea for a target(s) now then? Regards, Glyn ---------------------- Moderator's note: Post 'em to the list, since it's something everyone has input into and my decision will be public right up front. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Scott Ellis" Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:59 pm Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection scottrver > --- In pjrv...Scott Ellis" So how would you know if you have a problem with a neg or some type of > attack - what are the symptoms? > Moderator's note: Breathing. LOL. - PJ OK PJ, so why are you making fun at my question? RV is certainly a legitimate phenomenon that demonstrates there is more to reality than what we nominally perceive. I've been pretty convinced there's something to OBEs since I had one (at least I think it was an OBE, it was very weird and very real and not a lucid dream). I've got the attitude of an open minded skeptic on most subjects, especially paranormal. Interaction with other consciousnesses or forces that we don't nominally perceive definitely falls into that category. But it's hard for me to try to reach any conclusions without getting a reasonable amount of information on such subjects, hence my question. The downside is I might waste some time. The upside is that my knowledge and experience of reality increases (although if in this case it could help alleviate my chronic back pain and two degenerative disks at age 41 I suppose the potential upside could be more substantial). So since it appears there must be something you know about this subject that I don't, I'd appreciate hearing what it is. Scott ---------------------- Moderator's note: Scott, no -- I was NOT making fun of your question -- you responded to a thread that began with my posting on Robert Bruce's book, where nearly everything down to a freckle was potentially a "negative spirit attachment"! The humor was directed at that -- not at you! The humor was in the ANSWER, not the question. Sorry for the misunderstanding. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:47 pm Subject: Re: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection docsavagebill Hi Scott, I really reccommend reading Bruce' book. But according to Bruce, we are always getting minor attacks during sleep by low level negs..which can usually be ignored. He has a list that at it's low level appears in almost anyone ( like nightmares) occasionally. But if it is repetetitive it may be neg related. Mood changes that don't match outer events.. seeing negs.. (snakes, spiders)..feeling them.. also according to Bruce Negs can't cross running water.. so if you have a symptom and don't know if it is neg related ..hop over a running garden hose and see if it follows..? Best Regards, Bill > --- Scott wrote: > So how would you know if you have a problem with a > neg or some type of attack - what are the symptoms? Reply | Forward

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From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 3:53 pm Subject: Re: Nasties in the Night/Psychic Protection sharwebb_30512 Dawna and Nita, I certainly appreciate what you both are saying. I can only answer that my personal outlook is different. Yours is right for you; mine is right for me. I am a "Sethie." So what I believe comes from that direction, but it is not limited to that. I have had many years of channeling experiences and teachings that influence my beliefs. I do not believe that there must be dark to counterbalance light, for example. The presence of opposites _seems_ to be so, but if you look beyond physical appearances, then, _to me_, it does not hold up on the grand scale of things. I won't go into the "whys" because it would just take too much band width and time, and I suspect noone is interested anyway. :-) I don't believe in a set karma or fate, either. I believe we _each_ create our own reality and get what we focus on. Our fears play an enormous role in this. I don't believe in evil. I do believe in the _appearance_ of evil. I believe that this "separation experiment" which makes us think that we are separate from every other person is illusion. I believe that Osama bin Laden, for instance, fully believes that he is doing the right thing, according to his lights. Hitler, too. I also believe that people such as psychopaths are influenced by confusing and conflicting thought forms which they create for themselves. I believe that fear causes blocks and _apparent_ gaps in the basic energy which flows through us and those blocks can be experienced as "evil." I do not believe in victims either. I believe that we create our reality both alone and in cooperation with others. And I believe that the goal is to gain experience, regardless of its nature, which ultimately enriches All That Is. I believe that nothing is "finished," but that we are all in the state of "becoming" because stasis is death both to the "individual" and to All That Is. I believe that our lives are part of a giant repertory company and we are making up the play as we go. I also, firmly, believe that none of you may need or want to hold beliefs like mine. :-))) Sharon sharwebb...net www.fractalus.com/sharon Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 5:02 pm Subject: Re: SC goes wild in wierd false awakening docsavagebill Hello All, Well thjis is a little off topic..but it follows the SC ability to project unrealities.. string. I drove 175 miles last nigh and back to Moses Lake WA t to try to see the meteores , it was rainy in Seattle, but we did find a small patch of night sky at Moses lake and did see 3 spectacular fireballs about 2:45 Am that came thru our clear patch..and wondering what it would have looked like if the whole sky was clear. After getting home I played my Astral trance tape as I went to sleep ( having arranged to come into work late). DREAM: The next thing I see is a beautiful cool crisp sunny fall day and my son ( Adam) is playing with his friend John, at his friends house. Everything is very real.. but my sons friend looks too young( he looks 16 not 18). I tell my son that John maybe be dreaming he is younger to avoid dealing with the death of his father when he was 16. My son says "naw and makes a face like what an idiotic thought Dad!".. so I ask John how old he is and he says 16.. then I tell my son " see he is dreaaming that he is 16 .. And all of the sudden I'm filled with SAD feelings about John losing his father.. Then I think maybe my son is dreaming this also: So I ask him how old he is and he says "16 or 18". I then tell him .." well that proves you are having a dream also since you would know your real age if you were awake".. NOTE: my dream fried logic circuits have not yet figured out that I'm dreaming... ...Adam says baloney....so I decide to test it for once an all and run down the sunlit street trying to test if its a dream but feeling the cool air and the bark on the trees and finally I tell Adam.. "naw this isn't a dream its real".. at which time I actually awoke... whew! Glad to be awake! Best Regards, Bill Reply | Forward

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From: "Scott Ellis" Date: Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:21 pm Subject: Re: SC goes wild in wierd false awakening scottrver Bill, Next time you want to see if you're in a dream try to jump off of the ground and fly like superman. It works for me. Scott Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 3:52 pm Subject: Re: Re: SC goes wild in wierd false awakening docsavagebill Hi Scott I did try.. Just felt heavier! Best Regarsd, Bill > Next time you want to see if you're in a dream try > to jump off of the > ground and fly like superman. It works for me. Reply | Forward

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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:02 am Subject: Re: SC goes wild in wierd false awakening ozblueriver > DREAM: The next thing I see is a beautiful cool crisp > sunny fall day and my son ( Adam) is playing with his > friend John, at his friends house. Everything is very > real.. but my sons friend looks too young( he looks 16 > not 18)......... Hey Bill, Your dream has shock me in as much as I had a similar one today. I was dreaming and something was out of place. I had the sudden realization that I was in a dream. I ran up and down a sunny street yelling out, "Hey this is a dream! I can do what ever I want!". One of the people I stopped kept morphing into different people and this confirmed that it was a dream. The whole time it felt like real life but I knew it was a dream and the 'real' real life was when I would wake up. It was sooooo cool! I've had lucid dreams before but it was like I was abserving my dreaming self. This time the realization that it was a dream came from the me IN the dream. I just had the totally funny thought of us running into each other in the street saying, "Hey this is a dream". Liz

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