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#1825

From: "liansidorov71 " Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 8:05 pm Subject: Multiple viewer protocol variations liansidorov71 I am trying to find out what type of protocol variations have been attempted so far which involve several viewers. I remember reading that multiple identically tasked sessions do not generally increase the accuracy of the result because the viewers involved often tend to get very similar data, even wrong similar data, due to some form of telepathic overlay. What else has been tried? Reply | Forward

#1828

From: Dee Leslie Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 11:54 pm Subject: Re: Multiple viewer protocol variations myratadee Hi! It has been my experience that viewers give different perspectives on targets. Going to the wrong target or getting similar wrong data often has a root cause, such as preparing more than one target at a time or the tasker not being attentive to the process or the viewers being told after the session that they viewed the other session, therefore going to the wrong one. What we experience in the past, present and future related to a target, influences the target session. So, consider target 'connectedness' at all times in order to determine target influences. SRVA taskings often include the same set of movement exercises for each viewer. We are not finding that the group is describing identical elements. Each of us seems to have our own strengths. I tend to describe sessions from an instructional viewpoint. Another tends to sketch the elements of the target quite well while another can do the geographical aspects extremely well even though we all have the same target, same aspects to see, etc. Dee Leslie Certified SRV Instructor Reply | Forward

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From: "PJ Gaenir " Date: Mon Dec 23, 2002 5:03 pm Subject: Re: Multiple viewer protocol variations dennanm Hi again Lian, > I am trying to find out what type of > protocol variations have been > attempted so far which involve several viewers. Quite a few in the lab, but I certainly haven't got the list. > I remember reading > that multiple identically tasked sessions > do not generally increase > the accuracy of the result because the > viewers involved often tend to > get very similar data, even wrong similar > data, due to some form of > telepathic overlay. There's quite a bit to this subject difficult to cover in one email. First off, it is true that multiple viewers generally won't make something more accurate -- but it might provide additional data. Second, it is true that viewers on a team will often seem to have a rapport that creates 'overlay' -- this is usually called 'sheep and goats' in psi research -- people often take what they're comfortable with, e.g., if a viewer they respect got an elephant in a target, it doesn't matter how wrong it is, others who respect that viewer might get the same info; a sort of follow the leader, psychically. This is not always true. And it may or may not relate to "identical tasking". Some people believe that using the same tasking number or the same words will cause overlay. I think it varies; it does appear that the people who most believe in overlay get it most. Some taskers just simply avoid ever tasking the identical thing to two people, so they never really worry about that, but they task very "closely" -- e.g., 10 different viewers might be getting info on different close aspects of something, and that can provide additional data, without necessarily putting them all in the same tasking boat. One issue with looking at what has been done in research vs. what works for Jane Q. Public or layman's groups, is that the psychics in the lab are kick ass viewers. They don't have a lot of the inexperience based weaknesses that most people learning do. So sometimes in the "real world", things seem to work differently. Regards, PJ

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