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#939 From: "Glyn"
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 2:29 pm
Subject: More thoughts on time..Future Memory gebega
PJ wants us to put our thoughts up to the list, so I will take this
opportunity to bore most of you and perhaps intrigue some ;-). It's quite
long, so sorry about that. It's about Future Memory theory. I originally
wrote this some time ago, but I'm often going on about FM, so it's nice to
think that maybe when I do so in the future then some may not just grin and
roll their eyes....as the idea originally came from the mind of, IMO anyway,
a very enlightened and probably brilliant man.
Well.... I first became interested in FM when I read J W Dunne's "An
Experiment With Time" in the early seventies. My edition of his book says
that the first publication of his theory was in 1927. He was the first to
come up with the idea, but there have been others who have published books
with similar themes (maybe some based on his original concept) over the last
decade or so. Dunnes theory is of the nature of time itself. Rather than it
being linear (running past to future) he thought time was serial (many of
them and overlapping eachother..is my very basic and inadequate
description), and this in turn explains why things such as premonition are
possible....even premonitions of times far beyond the death of the 'seer'.
The theory itself is quite complicated (I find it so anyway), so if you want
to know more about it then do read the book, it has been reprinted. I am
more interested in the *implications* of serial time if Dunne was
right....maybe being able to access our future memories of events in our
The best illustration I have ever heard of Future Memory at work is from
Dunne's book itself. It's a bit long, so I will use my own words to
paraphrase. He talks about a dream, but could just as well be talking about
RV; especially ERV.
One night in 1902 Dunne had a dream. He seemed to be standing on a high
mountain. There were little fissures giving off jets of vapour spouting
upwards. In his dream he recognised the place as an island of which he had
dreamed before, an island in imminent peril from a volcano. He suddenly
realised that it was going to blow up!
He was seized by a desire to rescue the FOUR THOUSAND (the number was in his
mind) unsuspecting inhabitants. He had to get them off in ships, and there
followed a nightmare which consisted of his efforts trying to persuade
French authorities to despatch vessels to do so, but he was thwarted at each
turn. Throughout the dream the number of people in danger (4000) absolutely
obsessed him, and he repeated it to everyone he me (in the dream), and as he
awoke he found he was even shouting out about the *four thousand* people
that he had to rescue.
Some time later (after the night of the dream..he's not sure how long), he
sees a copy of the 'Daily Telegraph', which reported a major volcano
disaster in Martinique. Ships were involved in rescuing the inhabitants, and
it was stated that there was a loss of FOUR THOUSAND lives. Dunne was proud
of his prophetic dream, it fitted so well, even (especially) the figure of
4000. He was pleased with himself&&.that is until one day in the future
when he was copying out the original paragraph from the newspaper (perhaps
for some of his research, although he doesn't say), and realised to his
dismay that the figure first reported in the newspaper was FORTY
THOUSAND.....he had misread it. However&that moment, when he discovered his
mistake, didn't come until *fifteen years* after the event!!
OK......he had believed the newspaper article had said 'four thousand' for
15 years! He was upset (gutted more like :-),because his ' prophetic' dream
was now wrong in it's most important aspect. Later he got to thinking
though..Where then did he get the four thousand in his dream? Why had that
number seemed so important; have so much significance?
He eventually came to an idea...........he came to believe that his dream of
the future was not of the island, not of the event itself......but of the
newspaper article he first saw.....and not only that either, because it
appeared that he had had dreamed of his *memory* of reading the article;
which included his mistake of misreading the number as 4,000!
He had accessed his 'future memory'from a dream (altered state) in the past.
Maybe RV works like that; maybe not. If so, I think accuracy could depend
on how far you go into your own future past the event/outcome/your
feedback....ie. what stage in the future you retrieve the memories from. For
example, if Dunne had gone forward 15 years he may have got the right number
My thoughts now...
I first I thought that this must mean that we only view the feedback (or
rather our memory of seeing the feedback, and everything attached to the
original feedback of a target; ie web-pages, discussions etc..because it is
all part of the ongoing cumulative memory), but people have reported
bilocation and experiences of *being* at the site, so how does that fit
in? Well, anyone who has had a lucid dream will attest to how wonderful the
brain is at putting together 'universes' of it's own creation and immersing
you in them. It could also do this with a memory, (whether based on fact or
fiction), so then immersion would appear real.
FM could explain so much IMO. For example why things are so vague, unclear,
distorted...that there appears to be overlay, associations, AOL...Let's face
it, what real memories are uncluttered? Especially over time. They pick up
all sorts of baggage, and even become totally distorted to the point of
being false. This may be what we are dealing with in RV, all the time. If
only more people would consider it. It deserves serious consideration even
if it turns out to be wrong. I don't sign up to it all the time, as my views
are subject to ongoing revision in the light of my experience....but I do
keep coming back to it.
Thats it. I hope you are still awake. LOL!
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#1014 From: "stanley01420"
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 1:46 pm
Subject: Re: More thoughts on time..Future Memory stanley01420
When I was a little girl, my grandmother was always talking
about things in the past tense that hadn't happened yet. It could
be very disconcerting at times but we got used to it.
I personally agree that precognition is largely remembering
things that happen in the future.
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#1037 From: "Pame"
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 6:07 am
Subject: Re: Re: More thoughts on time..Future Memory elittlestar
I guess I can see you are taking after you grandmother, concerning past
Could you clarify for me and or any one else who might question if what you
are saying is a past, present or future tense... when you express remember,
as it would be that it was there, like it was.
So, or would you consider just 'accessing' data, as the viable means vs's
Do you remember it as a 'was', also?
I know this may sound like semantics, but at what point do we see the
Are we reliving the moment and Why, if we are ...
OK, I just watched the Twilight Zone... of infinite possibilities of
perfection in some one else's game of life.
Kind of a matrix ... are we supposed to know this?
Is it RV that will help us find our way out of this, or are we just learning
to understand it all in a most in-depth analysis.
"HaveThoughtWillTravel" "What is created can be improved"
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#1039 From: "stanley01420"
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 12:04 pm
Subject: Re: More thoughts on time..Future Memory stanley01420
Well, remembering is a mental process and we are conditioned
to use language in a particular way when engaged in that
process, so (to me) it is easier to use the same syntax and just
engage the process to get at the information instead of
stumbling over syntax and getting distracted by concerns
regarding how the communication is being perceived by the
I guess that in the experience of most pre-cogs there has been
so much hostility towards that method that it's become almost a
defense mechanism to just be quiet.
> Is it RV that will help us find our way out of this, or are we just
> learning to understand it all in a most in-depth analysis.
I am not experienced in RV. Other's on this list are though. I'm
sure they can answer this better than I could.