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#1097

From: greenmn900... Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 11:10 am Subject: [pjrv] Re: Misc. greenmn900... PJ, LOL! That was good, very good. But I don't mean to piss anyone off. Just asking questions... Don ------------------------- Moderator's note: Speaking of pissing people off, did I mention that I got SO upset about what I considered a lousy session the other day that I actually put new strings on one of my guitars. The last time I did this was around 1991 I believe. Major revolutionary life change for me, after playing 2++ hours a day every day for about 12 years, I quit abruptly and haven't played in over 10 years. I suppose it'll be good for me. I forgot about having fingers hurt! -- I was probably 15 the last time they actually hurt, I played so much on steel strings by then. I can't remember hardly any of my old songs, given I quit writing what, 15 years ago. I was lucky to remember my open-chord "tuning songs" (classical gas and blackbird) that I used to play. Now every time I start singing (one nice thing: I may have lousy control from lack of doing it, but my voice sure has "matured" in a good way), my black cat Cosmos runs over to me and starts kneading my shoulder with his claws. Maybe he is trying to say, "Oh gawd! Stop, yer killing me!" LOL! Anyway, I attribute my sudden inspiration for Haiku to being related to suddenly starting to play again... just a tiny bit. Feel like a clunky moron at it of course, but nobody but Ry and the cats are around to hear it. I am hoping that a gradual opening up of my creative side will contribute to my RV in some way. I feel that I have really 'closed down' my expression -- channeled much verbal stuff into writing instead for example -- and that this affects the ... intensity or health of the chakra in that region in some way. We'll see, I guess. -- PJ Reply | Forward

#1101

From: "Eva" Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 8:48 pm Subject: Re: Misc. k9caninek9 > LOL! That was good, very good. But I don't mean > to piss anyone off. Just > asking questions... I don't get pissed quite that easy! Lyn ran his session as an informal demo. We yanked a target from a pile and he viewed it. He actually started the session before a person was chosen to pick out the target. Lyn wrote "mongolian temple" as the POCA (advanced visual). A few minutes later, someone picked out the target from the pile. A few more minutes of scribbling and Lyn was done with stage 2 and 3 and declared if it wasn't a mongolian temple then he didn't know what it was. Well he was wrong. It was a Tibetan temple. LOL! All the rest was perfect. It was a good showing. Before that, I actually didn't think rv could get that good, even if only sometimes. It was good to see what rv is capable of. -E Reply | Forward

#3181

From: "dinellrd" Date: Thu Jun 5, 2003 1:01 pm Subject: Re: Misc. dinellrd Hi Fortune, nice to hear from you again too. As always I'm still picking up on a lot of data out there as you can see by the telepathy/precog type dream I had on Van Atta. Was he a Morehouse student? Do you know anything about that? Appreciate any feedback you can give on it. I haven't taken the HRVG course. They didn't have a new class scheduled for Feb. They were planning one for March but I haven't heard anything. They were supposed to get back to me. In the meantime I've been quite busy with work, family commitments and my own PSI projects. Are you saying you want to take me on as a student!? It was fun doing a few sessions with you. The diamond ring and the geode mine. Remember!? That was fun! My friends and I are still helping each other to improve our PSI. I've noticed a big improvement over the last year or so. More like baby steps actually but I would say I have much better sub/conscious communication now. And the more I work in energy the more I realise how interconnected everything is. I remember Pru mentioning that to me some time ago. It just becomes more and more obvious the more experience we get I think. If you look at crop circles for example it does appear they are a collective consciousness signature or imprint created by our thoughts and the thoughts of other species as well. Elizabeth was saying it would be great to move objects while RV'ing and after thinking about that statement we just have to look at crop circles as proof to know that we can and are moving matter with our thoughts through space and time. But we do love that FEEDBACK!! DON'T WE!! I hear you on bless and protect. Thanks!! Ron. What's up with you? Any projects on the go? Reply | Forward

#1102

From: Richard Krankoski Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 10:03 pm Subject: Re: Re: Misc. Rich_crv > did I mention that I got SO upset about what > I considered a lousy session the other day that > I actually put new strings on one of my guitars. Ok, assign a P-4 column heading to each string, play a tune and let the data flow. Rich Reply | Forward

#1105

From: "Scott Ellis" Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 6:43 pm Subject: Music and RV scottrver >Anyway, I attribute my sudden inspiration >for Haiku to being related to >suddenly starting to play again... > just a tiny bit. Feel like a clunky >moron at it of course, but nobody but Ry > and the cats are around to hear >it. I am hoping that a gradual opening > up of my creative side will >contribute to my RV in some way. I think music creativity and RV are highly related. For background I'm an experienced composer and multi-instrumental musician (not my day job though). A couple of months ago I was meditating right after working on a new composition. During the meditation I literally heard the perfect completion to a missing part. It wasn't a part that I felt I was creating, it came out of nowhere the same way my visuals do in RV. It was stunning. I now wonder if most all of my compositions have been driven entirely by my subconscious. I haven't been composing since then, but when I resume I'm going to try this technique a lot more. Scott Reply | Forward

#1115

From: "PJ Gaenir" Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:51 am Subject: Re: Music and RV dennanm Hi Scott, > --- In pjrv...Scott Ellis" I think music creativity and RV are highly related. [snip] > During the meditation I literally heard > the perfect completion to a missing part. [snip] > I now wonder if most all of my compositions > have been driven entirely by my subconscious. I haven't been > composing since then, but when I resume I'm going to try this > technique a lot more. I have often heard entire songs, or read pages or even chapters of books, in dreams. Only once in a great while have I heard something in a meditation and never an entire sequence like that, that's cool! I wrote hundreds of songs way back when (as well as poetry and fiction) but haven't written anything in more than a decade... I really miss that part of me. I do find that if I call on my "songwriter" aspect in a session, it often gives me some interesting, insightful sort of data. And if I'm really in the mode, poetry goes well. I actually suspect I could do most of a session in rhyme but I'm working on doing most of a session well consistently before I get any more esoteric, lol. I should get a new midi keyboard, I did go to the trouble to get an updated version of Cakewalk about a year ago but haven't put it to use yet. I do believe that music composition is a raw form of creativity and is highly correlated to psi. Regards, PJ Reply | Forward

#1128

From: rv...com Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 5:33 pm Subject: Re: Re: Music and RV fetik3 On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, PJ Gaenir wrote: > I do believe that music composition is a raw form of creativity and > is highly correlated to psi. I think it can be, but usually isn't. Most music that I hear is a conditioned response to create accepted tonal combinations. There are rules in most genres, and although some people may claim they break them; but usually it's little more than a bend. In fact, I believe that most of modern-pop music (whether it's realization is in jazz, classical, rock, etc) is a very left brain activity. There is constant evaluation of the sounds being produced ("am I in key?","should this progression resolve","probably time for a chorus here.." etc.). This is why I am predominantly interested in free-jazz / improvisation. This experience, at least for me, *does* have correlations to PSI activity. The way the notes seem to flow through me, reminds me of how the data flows in CRV (and its derivatives). Keep in mind that I am not looking down upon other forms of music; I just remain unconvinced that most of what is produced is truly creative, and not just a logical variation of a well conditioned theme. -Jason P.S. The fact that I still listen to The Sweet should probably invalidate everything I wrote above :) Reply | Forward

#1158

From: "PJ Gaenir" Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 6:09 pm Subject: Re: Music and RV dennanm Howdy Jason, > (I'd written) > I do believe that music composition is a raw form of creativity and > is highly correlated to psi. > (you wrote) > I think it can be, but usually isn't. Most music that I hear is a > conditioned response to create accepted tonal combinations. I agree that there is a hard element of predictability in almost all "creative" composition. However, this goes for painting, for poetry, for photography, for sculpture -- for every form of creativity I can think of. Truly improvisational music is a little like truly abstract art -- seemingly unpredictable, unexpected, very novel, very cool -- more innovative, no doubt -- but I don't know that creativity requires some given % or degree to be called creativity, or that the more there is, that there is any better or worse. Creativity of all things has quite a richness of expression -- I can't compare two singers of different music and range for example, it's apples and oranges. I once even learned to listen to speed rock (now that took work, despite my loving most all kinds of music except hard rap [whether it's music is a question to me - but I like be-bop rap]), mostly because my crazy fiance of the time was your average california snowboarding martial artist classical flautist punk with white hair (quite a stretch as he was asian, lol) who was really into speed rock. I never actually ENJOYED listening to it, as to me it mostly sounded like a bunch of angry adolescents who didn't know how to string a basic melody together -- but I came to appreciate the very fact that (a) they were doing something OTHER THAN 'corporate rock' and (b) they were expressing what they felt, whatever that might be (and who am I to judge), and (c) they were actually daring to express a lot of stuff that you're certainly not going to hear expressed on the radio, LOL. I even ended up writing a couple of songs that verged on the more commercial side of speed rock (but which were just as pissed off, to their credit, hahaha!). Alas, though much of my own music was equally unappealing to anybody but me, I grew up on commercial music, so most everything has a commercial progression. (Not necessarily in phrasing - I mean in construction like chorus and so forth - but at least in general melodic semi-predictability.) I have read poetry I thought was inspired, but it had a meter and rhyme set by a million poets before. I have heard songs that got my body and mind all riled up, or moved into my dreams (I once woke up INSIDE a Peter Gabriel song - damn I think that man is weirder than I am!) but they had predictably placed chord progressions and choruses and so forth. I've seen pictures that delighted me and pictures that actually made me GASP out loud with shock, but they were all based on predictably known stuff... just done in their unique way. I don't consider any of the above to be not creative or not correlated with psi -- I simply consider it to be "creative within certain boundaries of expression". I think there are actually some people that create BETTER within limits than without them, and some that create better without them. There are people who bring entirely new concepts into our world -- not many, as I think our world can't handle too many of those at the same time lol -- and there are people who take a very logical, existing art form, and simply innovate within it -- say, Frank Lloyd Wright for example. I don't consider him not really creative because hey, other people built generally rectangular houses with windows and they all had bathrooms and hallways... he was working within a ton of existing cultural and utilitarian constructs... but still a review of his stuff, particularly from the inside, can't help but inspire anybody who truly loves architecture as art (which I do). I used to do a lot of (allegedly, lol) creative writing, and often did a lot of workshops or classes in this for fun. One interesting thing I found was that the "structured exercises" often brought out the neatest results I had -- as if the more rules, the better. One time eons ago I heard a song new to me (an old standard, "Stormy Monday") that I thought was so cool, I determined to go home and write one just like it. Now this is funny if you knew that like most aspiring songwriters, I always attempted to write my own stuff, which usually ended up sounding like somebody else's, lol. So I went home and for the first time in my life decided to write a song deliberately to be like someone else's. I outlined on paper this really long list of rules, from chords to "mood", and wrote a song that sounds absolutely NOTHING like 'stormy monday', not by ANY stretch of the imagination. Quite hilarious really just how far from it I ended up. Kinda reminds me of an RV session where you can exactly describe what you feel pretty sure is A and it turns out to be B which is totally different and yet, can be exactly described the same way. :-) I found it sort of interesting that first off, by giving myself so many rules I ended up with a song quite different from my normal stuff but I liked it; second, that while using the same general rules as that song had, ended up with something totally different (despite - yes! - predictably placed chorus, lol); but third, it reminded me of all the creative writing workshops, and how well the "set rules" had actually worked for me. Some suggest that with four planets and virgo and three in scorpio it's no wonder I love rules, lol. Maybe even in psi work it can be similar -- maybe some people work better within an external structure, and some outside of it. As long as the external structure doesn't screw with the internal processing too much, I imagine it's just personal choice. The fact is everyone HAS a structure, it's just that for many people, it's self-developed, or it changes, or it's more inside their head than out (but that doesn't mean no structure exists). They say that in child development, if a child feels a very solid and predictable (yet healthy) sense of "boundaries", that they will actually feel safer to innovate, to be autonomous. If is a comfort with rules, with the knowns, that I think makes some of that possible. It may be that highly innovative musicians -- and some improvisational and progressive jazz qualifies as that -- have an internal sense of security that allows them a lot more comfort in operating outside a predictable set of music expectations. Though I do think that if different musical progressions and patterns actually create new neural pathways -- I haven't heard this but I expect it is so, since I have read that children being exposed to new language sounds creates them -- then probably the more "openly" creative (as opposed to creative-within-bounds) music does spark the brain more across the board. This may contribute to psi functioning but it probably contributes to everything, not just psi. > I am not looking down upon other > forms of music; I just > remain unconvinced that most of what > is produced is truly creative, and > not just a logical variation of a > well conditioned theme. I understand. Actually, early jazz development had that sort of polarities going on -- it wasn't classical so wasn't acceptable to formal music, and became as "ad lib" and "variant" as possible for awhile, as then, 'fitting into white man's music' was itself an insult, lol. Of course, eventually all things mellow out and, like government, become predictable. ;-) PJ Reply | Forward

#1197

From: "Jason S. Shapiro" Date: Sat Nov 9, 2002 8:50 am Subject: Re: Re: Music and RV fetik3 > However, this goes for painting, for poetry, for photography, for > sculpture -- for every form of creativity I can think of. I agree; but I figured I'd limit my fascist diatribe on aesthetics to one art form at a time :) > I once even learned to listen to speed rock (...) > I came to appreciate the very > fact that (a) they were doing something OTHER THAN 'corporate rock' I used to listen/play punk, speed metal, etc... and now this type of music *is* corporate rock. Once your ear becomes used to what is happening (as I'm sure you know, PJ) it's often little more than a bunch of other genres/songs put together and played fast. I still have trouble finding the creativity in that; especially when I can find where and what changes will be coming up prior to hearing them (and unfortunately, that isn't due to any super-psychic powers) :) Ironically, "Boston", the Corporate Rock band poster child, has recently put out an album called "Corporate Rock" with a scathing review of the affect corporations have on our world. And while they aren't even in the top 100 albums on Billboard, Nirvana is currently at #3, Disturbed peaked at

#1, F

oo Fighters peaked at #3, etc... Bringing this back to PSI; I guess my analogy would be to being "Front Loaded." Many people will swear that having some information about the target/cue will help them focus in, and produce world-class work. Others are front-loaded and don't even realize it (little hints dropped about the targets, body language, etc). People who oppose being front-loaded will say that once you are front-loaded you will be more likely to produce results from your own analysis than you will from the "signal line." I (currently) view creativity in the same way. If you are producing a song within a well accepted and understood musical genre, you are more likely to produce results which are from your own logical puzzle piecing capabilities. In other words, most compositions become a craft (and often a really wonderful contribution to the catalog of crafts), and not some deeper creative process called "art." The problem may also be with the definition of "creativity." Many people believe that creativity is the ability to present interesting combinations of existing standards. I'd agree that there are times where that seems to be the case; although it usually because the results stem from a much more interesting question than "hey, what song should I write today." For example, many songs have some musical "rests" in the composition; and John Cage's use of them in 4'33" could be seen as just another variation/extension of this common musical grammar. However because of the experience he was trying to provide, the relationship between that piece and his aesthetics pushes this piece into the area of creativity (of course, just in my opinion). In my opinion, there is no silver bullet. Free-Jazz isn't art just because it sounds strange :) In fact, true avant- improvisation is a constant battle with yourself; trying to shake up and change your own conditionings... much in the same way that our remote viewing sessions are an attempt to reduce the noise, and boost the signal. -Jason Reply | Forward

#1161

From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 6:43 pm Subject: Re: Re: Music and RV maliolana Aloha PJ, And then Jazz became America's own original classical music...and then charmed the world... It never did fit into white man's music...they just took the credit/cash where ever possible...as usual... And they gave back MOOO ZAC......Reminds me of skating ring music... (By the way...WHITE is a political term to me...I am not refering to caucasion males...per se......if the shoe fits) I tried to figure out heavy metal once...and all I could come up with...was thart it was great to scream your lungs out to...and no one will notice...and help the teens vent all that righteous anger...and bang into one another in the moch pit...also...it is trely equalitarian... Seems like most anyone could play that...and who would notice?(other than the neighbors/dogs/police?)...hahah Gives me a headache... Even acid rock had a beat...some rythym here and there... What is speed rock?...We have quite a few white headed ( bottle version)Japan born surfers in Hawaii lately... Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna I understand. Actually, early jazz development had that sort of polarities going on -- it wasn't classical so wasn't acceptable to formal music, and became as "ad lib" and "variant" as possible for awhile, as then, 'fitting into white man's music' was itself an insult, lol. Of course, eventually all things mellow out and, like government, become predictable. ;-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

#1180

From: Karl Boyken Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 9:37 am Subject: Re: Re: Music and RV kboyken PJ, early jazz was disreputable not only because it was ad lib "Negro" music, it was bordello music. Some black music was acceptable--spirituals, for example. But the very name "jazz" comes from slang for semen. I really like art that plays with formalism, stuff that shows you the rules while it breaks them in interesting ways. One of my instructors once told me that no one ever wrote a story in first-person plural, so I wrote one, and that's the title I gave it--"First Person Plural." I wrote a play for my English master's that combined Greek comedy and absurdism--that was a lot of fun, too, trying to fit something that violates form into a very formal structure. -- Karl Boyken kboyken...t http://soli.inav.net/~kboyken/ We dance 'round in a ring and suppose, while the Secret sits in the middle and knows. --Robert Frost

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