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#3049 From: "Elizabeth Hambrook"
Date: Thu May 15, 2003 9:28 am
Subject: mind control ozblueriver
The author of Kundalini Tales, Richard Sauder, Ph.D. seems to be alluding to
Robert Munroe of Munroe Institute being involved in mind control.
This is a quote taken from near the bottom of the page on:
Of course, these are very similar to many topics that have been discussed for
years on Dreamland. So why is Kundalini Tales all of a sudden "too
conspiratorial" to talk about? I think it's obvious: I bring in the United
States military intelligence connection. I provide hard evidence of the patents
that have been granted, on the open, public literature, that have potential
nuts-and-bolts mind control applications. I broach the topic of highly
secretive, covert mind control programs run by United States intelligence
agencies. I talk about the documented, years-long connection between Robert
Monroe, the Monroe Institute and United States military intelligence. I briefly
allude to the possibility of using mind control technologies to influence human
spirituality. And, don't forget those ex-Nazis at NASA.
Moderator's note: Hi Liz!
The Monroe Institute was just as cool way-back-then as it is now. People into
RV, scientology, and other "metaphysical and human potential" subjects found TMI
intriguing. Some of the remote viewers attended TMI, and it so well applies to
human development--even outside RV of course--it was thought it would be cool to
have a few TMI courses that were just for military people (who can't always
share well in a civilian environment).
They did a couple or few but then it was canceled, apparently when one unstable
person lost it and the politics of that and knee-jerk fear of the whole topic
got out of hand with military management--though this is a guess--it appears
they didn't part on good terms (military and TMI). Joe McMoneagle talks about
this whole situation, how it came about and the issues with it, in his book THE
STARGATE CHRONICLES, which you can find in most bookstores or at amazon.com.
It's not impossible that Bob was into 'government mind control', but Bob was WAY
OUT THERE compared to what the gov't tends to be into--they could barely handle
RV, never mind Bob's level of 'spirit interaction'. I think Bob was a lot less
interested in whatever the gov't would want than the amazing nature of an
archetypal larger universe of consciousness.
Most people referring to TMI and government mind control have nothing except
hazy reference and all based on those few classes TMI did that Joe talks about.
I'm interested in and read about mind control topics myself for many years
frankly (that's me, still waiting to become an Evil Overlord LOL), but I've seen
nothing worth taking seriously as far as Bob is concerned.
As for patents having 'application to' mind control, hell if we now accuse folks
for anything that has an 'application to' anything else, where would it end?
That's like accusing the Wright Brothers of dark collusion because airplanes had
the 'potential' to drop bombs--eventually. :-)
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#3060 From: Bill Pendragon
Date: Thu May 15, 2003 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: mind control docsavagebill
I think PJ covered everything..but one item and that
is: now Skip Atwater is head of TMI. Skip was the
founder ( according to him) of the top secret military
RV program . So if I was a conspiratorial sort, that
would raise all kinds of red flags.. but since I try
not to be conspiratorial ..it only raise a few "pink"
flags..G. I would wager more than 2 cents that if one
could see the budget of TMI, it would contain grants
from the Department of Defense or one of its arms or
legs for some very intriguing things. But heck
everything in this area is tainted with that brush..g
> if one could see the budget of TMI, it would
> contain grants from the Department of Defense or
LOL. They WISH, I bet. ;-) PJ
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#3067 From: "Elizabeth Hambrook"
Date: Fri May 16, 2003 5:01 am
Subject: Re: mind control ozblueriver
Thanks for that info. PJ. You are such a good RV encyclopaedia. How did you get
into RV and get to know all these in's and out's?
PS maybe next Halloween we will let you play evil overlord for a day or so. LOL
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#3068 From: "pjgaenir"
Date: Fri May 16, 2003 12:39 pm
Subject: Re: Mind Control pjgaenir
LOL. Gee how nice. I would be a good Evil Overlord, really! I have
the whole Psi Corps concept (Babylon 5) down too. Black leather
gloves. Love it! ;-)
Well two of my best friends were/are involved with TMI, one was the
co-founder and director for many years, so I am no expert on it but I
am familiar with it even outside my attending a couple of their
programs (which I highly recommend), and I'm something of a fan of
As for RV, if there is only 'one' reality and truth, then I know more
wrong stuff than right, since I've learned half a dozen versions of
everything usually. ;-) ("But wait!--someone else is coming out of
the closet--yet another version of reality is sure to be available
I usually believe Joe's version but that's mostly because he's so
amazingly consistent, and his tends to 'reconcile' many other
versions and make 'em make sense. That might not mean they're right.
Maybe he just has a much better ability to put things together than
most. ;-) But I usually learn what I can and then get his side of
the story and it's usually his that I trust.
When it comes to what people 'suspect' about mind control and RV and
stuff, the biggest problem is assumptions. The average person
actually thinks that gov't and military stuff *makes sense*. They
think that what is intuitively obvious to any of us as a good idea or
bad idea, will be to those groups.
Issues like irrational, or religious, or outright scared-of-psi
individuals with power in gov't/military, or the profound inertia of
bureaucracy, and let's not forget sheer incompetence, seldom figure
into the equation when people are lining up their lurking suspicions
about black ops--but they should, because they are responsible for a
heck of a lot!
I have a tiny bit of MC stuff on firedocs, but you gotta dig for it,
here's a link: http://tinyurl.com/bxts
RV is a whole 'nuther story. I did near daily email for six months
with Lyn Buchanan (an experiment of his) from 11/1/95 and then I went
and spent 5 days with him in Maryland in April 1996 (he taught one on
I later attended two of his intermediate courses (group) although by
that time I'd done so much phone and email with people using that
(and practice using that stage) that it was sort of after the fact. I
did Paul Smith's introductory course as a comparison (he was kind
enough to offer).
I never "formally" did the advanced (Stage5-6) course, though I
walked through it via email and phone with a couple of trainer-level
people. In a way that may not totally count, since I did get the
knowledge but by the time I did that I wasn't DOing much RV, so it
was mostly theoretical, which is never as complete as a hands-on,
time-spent review. I also had some time with several graduate
students of SRV and TRV going over what they'd learned to see the
(Prior to RV I'd been involved with some some shamanism, jungian
psychology, metaphysics, and ceremonial magick, with an occasional
inroad into scientology tech via a friend, so I have some background
in other approaches to ... reality and psi as well.)
But all that RV 'training' was a zillion years ago (all by the end
of '97). It's amazing I remember anything (I often forget!). By the
time I knew enough that I could have been considered decently
knowledgeable, I was no longer much of a believer in the ONE GOD--er
sorry, I mean ONE METHOD--Requirement For Omniscience(tm), so I just
frankly didn't much care.
My own practice is irregular, though the small business owner +
single mother thing is most of that--someday, I will have more
personal time...! I'm no expert on anything. Just an 'eternal
student' with a big interest.