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#1478

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 12:14 am Subject: Method survey ozblueriver Hi everyone, I'm interested to know what methods of RVing are being practiced by all of us. Personally I start my session using Pru's method of CRV which entails doing a quick ideogram then probing it for info. From there onwards I follow my own method of just asking to be shown the target and then going blank and waiting for the info. to come. If I get stuck I will then resort to asking more specific questions such as, "Is there a dominant colour?" etc. I have found that if I have to stop and start while trying to follow a complete method I keep having to get myself back into the right mindset to get information and that becomes annoying very quickly. While I seem to be on the right track I like to stay there as long as I can. Do you all strictly follow one of the taught methods or do you have your own adapted method or a quirky new version of your own? I'd be interested to hear all about it and why you ended up doing RV that way. Cheers Liz Reply | Forward

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From: "Scott Ellis" Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 12:05 pm Subject: Re: Method survey scottrver Hi Liz, > I'm interested to know what methods of RVing > are being practiced by all of us. Meditative ERV without a monitor. > Do you all strictly follow one of the taught > methods or do you have your own adapted method > or a quirky new version of your own? I'd be > interested to hear all about it and why you > ended up doing RV that way. I had experimented with CRV, then enrolled in HRVG online training for several months. I was visiting James Spottiswoode one evening and he argued convincingly that the research had concluded that no form of CRV or its derivatives had been shown superior to a meditative type ERV and that I should give it a try. I took his advice and FOR ME it was an immediate and huge improvement with relatively spectacular results. I find clearing my mind through meditation and opening to the target to be about a zillion times more effective at establishing target contact than ideograms, probing, doodling, spitting out words that come to mind, etc. The most important things became learning to consistently find the right state of mind and adjusting my beliefs to accommodate the startling reality of the phenomenon (which is still an ongoing process). For me, RV is a mostly visual experience with some knowings. I either see flashes of photo snapshots or longer running little movies. The flashes are usually more accurate while the movies are usually more 'like' something in the target. Sometimes I'll experience the movies as though I were there, like in a dream, and I'll experience all senses. Later stages of HRVG do go into an ERV state but that is not part of the online training program. I've outlined my methodology in a previous post. Scott Reply | Forward

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From: "Nita Hickok" Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 9:54 am Subject: Re: Re: Method survey nitahickok Hello What I do could be called traveling clairvoyance or mental waundering. I can do all the RV co-ordinates and still have the information come in double blind. I had fun doing this in a couple of studies. Nita Reply | Forward

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From: "Scott Ellis" Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:07 pm Subject: Re: Method survey scottrver Hi Nita, > What I do could be called traveling > clairvoyance or mental > waundering. What is that? Scott Reply | Forward

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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:08 pm Subject: Re: Re: Method survey ozblueriver G'day Scott, Thanks for such a detailed post. The reason I'm surveying everyone's personal methods is that I have found in my own sessions that trying to follow a set procedure seems to inhibit the flow rather than enhance it. Although I have also found that once I am stuck I can rely on following a few steps of Pru's method to bring me either back into focus or to get onto a different aspect of the target. So from where I stand both methods work but for different reasons. Pru also encourages using the body to get info. I find that if I try to do that literally I get tipped out of being in the right head space as well. But if I scan with say my mental/astral hand I will pick up all sort of information. I've just found out about Pru's gingerbread man technique for telepathy and healing. Once again I feel that if I did the probing in the physical it wouldn't work very well for me, but if I mentally tried it while in a mediative state I think it would work very well. I guess all the little techniques used can be adapted to suit me really well as long as I can stay in the right headspace while I do them. But I do believe that the less interference in the process the better and if the sub seems to be on track then it's best to leave it at that. I wonder if anyone out there, including the teachers, use just a taught method. So far 4 out of 4 of us don't and that is interesting. Cheers Liz Reply | Forward

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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:44 pm Subject: Re: Re: Method survey ozblueriver G'day Nita, I love that term, 'Travelling clairvoyance'. It sounds so wonderfully exotic. :) Do you meditate or use some other technique? I'd be really interested to hear exactly how you approach RV. It sounds like you went well in the studies. Who was it for, if I may ask? Cheers Liz Reply | Forward

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From: "Nita Hickok" Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 5:44 pm Subject: Re: Re: Method survey nitahickok Hi Elizabeth Travelling clairvoyance means I see where I am like I am a bird flying to the target. It also means that I can shift the focal point and follow the energy traces back to the start and see everything in a progression which space and time do not effect. RV uses access to a energy signature. I was taught to open a gateway and go through the energy signature to where I want to be. I can meditate and do it or I can put it on a level where I just view it like it is in a mirror. I was curious about rv so it is why I tried to learn a few methods. I took a week course on rv, and some of the online teaching that has been offered. I have been curious about a lot of things in my life. I guess I always study for myself and the way I want myself to go. I like Hermetic magic the best. I am basically a generalist in some ways because I get so many cases with so many different things. Nita Reply | Forward

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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 5:12 am Subject: Re: Re: Method survey ozblueriver > Nita said: > Travelling clairvoyance means I see where > I am like I am a bird flying to the target Hi Nita, As you probably read in another post, the reason I don't do RV with my eyes closed is that I end up flying around, having a wonderful time, but not RVing. It sounds like you have the whole flying thing under control. Could you give me some tips that would help me intergrate RV and my flying? Cheers Liz Reply | Forward

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From: "Nita Hickok" Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 3:58 am Subject: Re: Re: Method survey nitahickok Hi Elizabeth I suggest concentration by Mouni Sadhu and Intiation into Hermetics by Franz Bardon. The whole book is a series of exercises to bring your abilities under control and to develop them all equally. I have it in a ebook if you want. I have to say it is the most thorough on developing everything including in working on ridding yourself of personality flaws that help to interfere with your results. Nita pjrv : Messages : 1483-1550 of 4038
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#1483

From: greenmn900... Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:39 am Subject: Re: Method survey greenmn900... Liz, What I do is sort of like what's been called ERV. I relax, enter a meditative state, and then open to the target. I don't try to stick with vague or general one-word descriptors. I just put down what I get. I just wait until I've got seceral bits of information, then I open my eyes and write or draw it. Then I close my eyes, enter the meditative state again, and repeat the process. i keep doing this until i can't get any more data. Best Regards, Don Reply | Forward

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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:17 pm Subject: Re: Method survey ozblueriver Hi Don, Thanks very much for your reply. It's interesting that so far four out of four people in my survey use a similar technique and don't follow a taught method. I do exactly what you describe but with my eyes open. I stare at a blank spot, such as the wall and jot down everything that comes to mind. I have found that once I close my eyes I get too distracted by everything I see. If I close my eyes I nearly always go straight into the astral and everything is clearer and brighter than the physical. I'm always flying too and it just becomes very hard to stick to the subject I'm supposed to be viewing rather than going off into the wild blue yonder to explore. It's great fun for personal use but very hard for me to get any RV work done. :) I like the KISS method best......Keep It Simple Sweetheart Cheers Liz Reply | Forward

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From: Richard Krankoski Date: Sat Nov 23, 2002 11:28 pm Subject: Re: Method survey Rich_crv > I'm interested to know what methods of RVing are being practiced by all of us. I use CRV pretty much by the manual and as Paul Smith taught me through stage 3. I go to stage 4 from reading the manual and from other discussions over the years. I don't always follow every detail such as ink color, or where on the paper to write data and often skip the (important as taught) AI statement. Lately I have not put down many AOLs. I vary the number of ideograms for no particular reason and usually do not do movement exercises ( I think because I do not have a lot of faith in doing blind moves. I always wonder why a movement of any distance wouldn't put me completely out of the feedback picture most of the time.) Maybe this does not apply to operational targets. I rarely see anyone do movements in their examples. I dont think hrvg uses it, correct me if I am wrong. I have never seen any "professional" example using movements. (Remind me if I have....heheheh) Rich Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 3:42 am Subject: Re: Method survey k9caninek9 > --- In pjrv...ichard Krankoski usually do not do movement exercises ( I think > because I do not have a lot of faith in doing > blind moves. I always wonder why a movement of > any distance wouldn't put me completely out of > the feedback picture most of the time.) Maybe > this does not apply to operational targets. One easy solution to this is to use the word 'appropriate' instead of giving exact distances. For instance, one can say 'Move an appropriate distance back from (or above) the target and describe.' The sub seems to have no prob understanding what would be a good distance to give a different and still useful perspective on the target. However, if for some reason the tasker really needs to know the exact measurements of a target, I guess in that case one could move in specific increments in order to give that data to the tasker. But IMO, that would not be needed in most cases. > I rarely see anyone do movements in their examples. Actually, it's a good idea and I think I will trying using it more often. I used to but have kind of slacked off. I do like to use it when I get a structure in order to find out what is both inside and outside the structure. However, sometimes I notice my mind automatically doing some move commands for me. Sometimes I will sketch the target from varying perspectives and distances. Sometimes I will even understand how they relate as I am doing it, but certainly not all the time. -E --------------------------- Moderator's note: I do movements but not based on space. I say things like, "look at the target from behind, or the opposite side. What do you see?" That is effectively a move without specifying distance. I find if I specify a distance and it doesn't MATTER, I get no new data at all. E.g., I've written stuff down and say, "move 100 yards left and describe," and I get nothing, it usually means that moving 100 yards left made no difference in my vantage -- such as when the target feedback is a city overview, or a big lake/ocean, or something that just frankly didn't change at all from the move. (If the target vanished from the move, I think I might pick up on that, or at least would get different data after the move.) I will have to make a point to work on this for several sessions and see how it goes. I think sometimes that movement is not much different than 'aspects' I ask for info; in some weird way, it's all sort of related. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Timelord2029... Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 2:50 am Subject: Re: Method survey psitrooper24 Hi Liz, Its weird, i cant remember what i used prior to using TDS rv protocols. I mean i use to "try" and use the CRV manual then i started using my own which is writting down as much low/high level data as quickly as possible and doing the odd diagram. Using pru's method gives me alot of freedom to incorporate my diagrams via the scans and the importance of probing those scans as well. then theres the all poweful Matrix stage hehehe If i get strong data a subject is involved i take it further to the CM conciousness mapping stages. It can take up to 20 to 45 minutes per session. Peace, Tunde Reply | Forward

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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 5:40 am Subject: Re: Method survey ozblueriver Hi Rich, Hey thanks for the reply. It's interesting to see how everyone goes about doing sessions. It's a good way to swap good ideas around. I haven't tried doing movement exercises. Actually I hadn't even thought to try that. Sometimes I get really frustrated because I don't know the size of something and I think doing this movement exercise could solve my problem. (I can live in hope). Do you have any other method to determine size apart from the movement exercise? Cheers Liz Reply | Forward

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From: "Eva" Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 3:12 pm Subject: Re: Method survey k9caninek9 It seems to me you could give yourself a command like, "Describe object from that perspective that my physical body would have if it were there." Something that. Then you would at least see if the thing was massive or if it was a tiny dot or what. Then you could recalibrate from the perspective of being 1 inch tall or whatever. -E Reply | Forward

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From: "PJ Gaenir" Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 3:59 pm Subject: Moving Around/Sizing (was Method survey) dennanm Hmmmn. That's a good idea. I just remembered something I used to do years ago when I first began RV that worked great for me and I'm wondering why I totally forgot about it. I have always wanted to have at least a feel for the size, shape, nature of the target - not because I 'had to know' but because I've always felt if I were totally clueless I probably didn't have very close target contact. (You can have it and still be clueless, but usually then you have a pretty clear awareness of certain major elements, at least, if so.) Well when I got to the point of either no data or wanting to end the session, I would sort of imagine "gathering up all the energy of the target and how it felt to me" in a single "thing". Not a specific shape or size, just a "conceptual-thing". And I would visualize setting the conceptual-thing down over on the left, and then I would reach out and grab from my memory something to COMPARE it to. I'd say, "Could it be.... [suddenly thrust picture/concept into the space at right] the EPCOT CENTER BALL?" And I could clearly feel it, so I'd say, "Naw! Not in a million years!" "Could it be.... [flash pic/concept] NIAGARA FALLS RUSHING?" Naw, not like that.... And so on. I couldn't do this early in a session without getting overwhelmed by AOL and confusion, but once I had relatively decent target contact, even if I were still lacking much actual data, I could. If I tried this and did not have a pretty clear 'feel' for the 'comparison', then I did not have enough target contact, that is the sign. Note: my arbitrary choices were not so much famous things as they were *specific extreme things*. Niagara Falls, the moon, the Epcot Ball, a skyscraper -- things which are VERY definite in both their gestalt and their size and shape. If I did this, I usually had an idea of size in the end, just as part of the comparison, never focused on that but I think this exercise could be expanded to do so. In this way, I could at least narrow down what the target was NOT, which strange as it sounds, actually does help. It had the effect, just a bit, of backloading, or partial in-session feedback, it granted me a confidence in my feel for the target, like maybe just because my left brain felt like it knew SOMETHING. OK it might not know WHAT it is, but it knows what it's NOT! LOL! And usually the result was that if I sorta-maybe-almost thought it MIGHT be a tall structure going into that exercise, usually by the time I was done comparing it to the extreme examples, I would be a bit more certain about the nature of it, mostly just by a process of elimination. This often gave me better target contact and confidence as a result and I could then keep moving on in the session. I don't know why I haven't tried this since my mid-July re-entry into RV. I even think I might have mentioned this somewhere once before, but I just totally forgot about it. PJ Reply | Forward

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue Nov 26, 2002 5:15 pm Subject: Re: Moving Around/Sizing (was Method survey) docsavagebill Hi PJ, Good ideas for sizing. Did someone else have a good suggestion for sizing? Who what post.. I'm interested in any ways to do that. Best Regards, Bill > I > would visualize > setting the conceptual-thing down over on the left, > and then I would > reach out and grab from my memory something to > COMPARE it to. Reply | Forward

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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 8:05 pm Subject: Re: Method survey ozblueriver Hi Tunde, I look forward to learning about Pru's Matrix and consciousness mapping. In my own sessions I seem to run out of questions to ask about the target and it would be helpful to get an extra supply of them. When I'm in the right headspace for RVing I find it very hard to think, so being able to glance at a set plan like the matrix would help a lot I think. I hate interrupting the flow but I think it would help me to continue on if I get to a point where I'm stuck. Cheers Liz Reply | Forward

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From: Richard Krankoski Date: Sun Nov 24, 2002 9:31 pm Subject: Re: Method survey Rich_crv >Elizabeth Hambrook wrote: > Do you have any other method to determine > size apart from the movement exercise? I have never tried to determine size via a movement. As I said I rarely do a movement because I do not have much faith in it being a usefull thing data wise. Say the feedback target is some everyday object on a table. typically, I have read where people "move" 100 feet above the target and describe. What's to see 100 feet above the object on the table? A roof? Another floor? That's not in the feedback. Its possible the tasker knows what would be seen, then maybe the data could be validated, but what does that say about describing the target itself? I have not had any real success doing movements from pool type targets. Maybe in the MadDog and Fairview practice groups I will start using moves more frequently because often the tasker does know more about the target area. The best session I had using moves was when my wife tasked me with what turned out to be the laundry room at the retirement village her mother lived at. The mofes consisted of "From the center of the target area face north and describe." Then south, east, west..... Then I did the "from 100 ft above.." After finding out the target, I drove over to the laundry room. Two of the directions were pretty well described in the data and sketches, one was so-so and the fourth had no correlations. I couldnt evaluate the "from 100 ft above" although some data could have been describing things typically found on the roof of a building. I don't think I described the building shape or surroundings. Anyway, my interest in movements is now rekindled and I will try them more often. Thinking back, there seems to have been an "urge" to do them rather than a deliberate plan ahead of time. Sounds like the making of a new RV theory ..... Rich

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