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From: "pjgaenir" Date: Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:28 pm Subject: Medical RV and Dreams; magic pjgaenir I had an interesting dream some time ago. My friend (Christian, an African who immigrated to the US) has a brother I will call Jon. He was in the dream. He had a very, very serious problem, but I wasn't sure what it was. I was getting the impression that some 'authority' wanted him to 'go away' or something though, that was the problem. I wanted to go to his house, so I set out. I found it, at the very top inside a building, narrow stairs going up way high. When I got there, there was an eviction notice--someone else telling him to get out--on the inside of his door. Inside, not the outside, which struck me as odd. Inside the house, it was tiny, and there was some 'constriction' going on; one area so cramped I could barely squeeze through. As soon as I was through I saw this gigantic spider-thing on the floor, but it looked very dead, like dessicated and flattened. For some reason there were zillions of super tiny gnats or something swarming around, and you couldn't even help but breathe them. There was a little spider monkey there and he and Jon were eating, as if they didn't even notice all the tiny breathable bugs or dead spider-thing, so they weren't grossed out and didn't notice they were ingesting some. I said, "Jon, My God! There is NO excuse! Now here is what I want you to do. Before anything else, get RID of that disgusting dead spider-thing. It is poisonous and gross and your house is so revolting!" It got his attention, and he began working on it. I went out into the world. I was going somewhere and driving Jon's car. I had been briefly going in reverse and when I tried to get to forward, it wasn't working. I couldn't quit going backward and was worried I'd crash, then finally I got the car stopped, only to realize I was at the point of a super steep, nearly straight-down hill. I jumped out of the car, convinced I couldn't stop it if it began its downward journey, and being in Jon's car if it did would kill me. So then I was hanging off the cliff/hill by my fingers. Someone showed me another way to get down the hill eventually. When I got to the bottom, it turned out I was right where I began!--I hadn't traveled anywhere somehow. This was confusing in the dream. But I was right near Jon's house. ------------------- When I woke up, I felt absolutely certain that Jon had some disease, my sense was cancer. I also had the even weirder sense that this had been foisted upon him with magic -- something his culture is very familiar with. (His father used to be Chief of Police of the state. My friend had several assassination attempts on his life as a child--I assume Jon did as well, especially being the Eldest male. They are a wealthy and at least at one time, political family.) I've always said I don't believe that any person can harm another remotely "without their permission" and I still believe that, but that is not to say that the permission is conscious, or that most people might not have 'issues' that such an intent could 'lean on' as a way in. I felt pretty clear, though, that someone currently with some kind of authority/power was 'commanding' him to die on some level, and he was oblivious to it--and buying into it. I was telling another friend about this dream, and Ken said that his doctor has a dark field microscope (a real one, not just the pseudo darks you 'add on' to normal scopes -- he studies pleomorphism and other politically-incorrect topics), and that he says in that view, cancer looks like 'a flattened spider'. Also, he can actually watch in the blood, the protits--which looks like little dots swarming all over--I have to stop explaining now as I am ignorant and won't fairly represent his studies, but you get the idea. Now, whether I got this symbology in my dream because of that feedback, I don't know, though I wouldn't have gotten that feedback unless I'd described the dream, there's a catch 22. Still, I found it fascinating. Chris and I sometimes go a couple years without talking, and he gave me his info twice and I lost it (I wasn't at my computer when he gave it to me--if it's not in my computer, forget it) and I couldn't find him, after the dream, to warn him, to get him to tell his brother. I even paid to search for him on the net and still couldn't find him. So I have no feedback. Later, I felt the symbolism of being in the house and then being in his car and not being able to get out and thinking it would kill me, might have been something about trying to separate myself from him -- "detox and disconnect" from the energy of the disease. ----------- Now I wonder, if a person were to RV cancer, if they would get 'symbolism'. Few of us are familiar with cancer as some kind of recognizeable object after all. I also wonder if the cultural terror of spiders might be partly caused by a subconscious recognition of that shape/concept. Has anybody else here picked up a medical issue, either in dreams, spontaneously or via formal RV, in another person? If so, did you get it symbolically, literally, conceptually, or....? PJ Reply | Forward

#3863

From: "Nita Hickok" Date: Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:38 pm Subject: Re: Medical RV and Dreams; magic nitahickok Hello PJ I see diseases as something swarming and it can also be symbolic. You can change it by cleaning out the bad spots and putting in good energetic images or energy. It is sort of like cleaning out a dusty room you just keep fighting the dust until it is all gone. Nita Reply | Forward

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From: Penny Zingery Date: Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:48 pm Subject: Re: Medical RV and Dreams; magic pzingery Hi, PJ, I had a spontaneous experience, in which I just "knew" that a co-worker had cancer. Literally. What I've gotten a lot of times are words, (once I actually "saw" them), or thoughts as "revelations" about what's going on. I had been told that I had cancer, and thought for two days that I did. They summoned me to the doctor's office, and showed me a picture of the ultrasound and the "tumor." Which they said was more than likely cancer, but that they wanted me to wait a day or two, and have another ultrasound. Well, I did. It wasn't. The ovarian cysts burst and that was that. Out with the ovaries, anyway. I had initially gone to the doctor's office on an emergency basis from work. Then I had to drive way out west from downtown, to have an MRI at the only clinic where they could schedule it that late in the day. The doctor said that it was apparent that I had a "mass." As it was on an emergency basis, and I was doubled over in pain, a woman from work, Linda, wanted to drive me. Even though it would have been out of the way for her. Well, I told her I'd drive myself. Then I was scheduled for surgery. Linda kept in touch with me while I was out of work, checking up on me, and seeing how I was doing. When I came back into work, weeks later, I remember walking into the office, and the first person I saw as I came through the door was Linda. And the thought just "hit" me. (And with it came a physical sensation, like it happens when that kind of thing occurs.) "SHE HAS CANCER." Now, I may have associated her caring, subconsciously, with something a little more than what would've been expected of a co-worker, of course. But, she wasn't the only one who'd called, and I never actually had a conscious thought like that about her before that moment. I thought it was extremely odd, but kind of shrugged it off. She didn't look sick at all at that point. A few months went by, and one day I was crossing the street in front of the building where I work. Linda was standing by herself at the corner, waiting for the light to change. And I offered to share my umbrella, as it was raining. And that's when I noticed it. Her stomach was extended underneath the loose dress that was just like all the others she wore, and I could tell she was in a lot of pain. She'd hid the fact from all but two co-workers, and even her family for the two and a half years that she'd had the breast, liver and brain cancer. She'd opted to receive no treatment, and let the disease take it's course. We talked a little, and she told me she couldn't really talk about it, but promised she'd talk when she was ready. Well, two days later, she left the office and went into a hospice. The brain cancer finally killed her two weeks later, the day after 9/11. Penny > Has anybody else here picked up a medical issue, either in dreams, > spontaneously or via formal RV, in another person? If so, did you > get it symbolically, literally, conceptually, or....? Reply | Forward

#3867

From: Barbara Date: Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:14 am Subject: Re: Cancer off topic threebears4u Hi Penny, PJ, and everybody else, First, Penny, I am sorry for the loss of your friend. But, to help others, may I share with you something.....There is a book I believe everyone should have on their shelf at home. The Essiac Report (Canada's unknown cancer remedy ) by Richard Thomas. It will cost about $ 20.00 plus tax in the US and it is worth much more. In it is the story of a cure for cancer ( literally, according to John F. Kennedy's family physician ) that was given to a nurse by someone from an American Indian tribe. It is made up of 4 common herbs ( that's right 4 common herbs that you can grow yourself ) and it was origionally tested on terminally ill patients, destined to die and given up by the medical profession. One patient only had 5 days to live, but was given Essiac and when he died he had no cancer cells in his body. He died as a result of the damage done to his vital organs by the chemotherapy. Personally, I have heard 2 different people who have used Essiac and they say they have been cured. I have known others with cancer who used this mixture and also lived. The book has many letters of success written by former cancer patients. The book states that this mixture came within 3 votes of being passed in Canada as a cure for cancer because it was so successful in the trials on terminally ill people. The book states that because of the lobbying by the drug companies, Essiac did not pass the votes needed to be sold as a cure for cancer. It would have cost the drug companies around the world billions in lost drug revenues had it passed. You can buy the herbs most anywhere, and cook the formula up by yoursef. Most people I have heard of buy the herbs fresh and prepare the mixture themselves and refrigerate it in brown bottles until it is all used up and mix more. I personally have shown the formula to a surgeon, and he said there is nothing in it that will hurt you, but you don't want to take anything if you are on chemotherapy at the same time. I would also suggest one have their own doctor look at the ingredients for you own peace of mind. All the major bookstores carry it this book in the alternative medicine section. Check it out for yourself and decide if this is something you would like in your home as a referance, should you ever need it. There is a letter inside the book written by the Kennedy family physician saying that Essiac is a cure for cancer period. ( This is also stated by the same doctor on the cover of this book.) I am writing this in hopes the information helps someone else. If you buy the book, please share the information with others, everywhere, but especially with your own family. Barb PS this is not the only book on this subject, as there are others telling of this and giving different sources where it can be purchased, but IMHO this is one of the better books on the subject. Penny Zingery wrote:Hi, PJ, I had a spontaneous experience, in which I just "knew" that a co-worker had cancer. Literally. What I've gotten a lot of times are words, (once I actually "saw" them), or thoughts as "revelations" about what's going on. I had been told that I had cancer, and thought for two days that I did. They summoned me to the doctor's office, and showed me a picture of the ultrasound and the "tumor." Which they said was more than likely cancer, but that they wanted me to wait a day or two, and have another ultrasound. Well, I did. It wasn't. The ovarian cysts burst and that was that. Out with the ovaries, anyway. I had initially gone to the doctor's office on an emergency basis from work. Then I had to drive way out west from downtown, to have an MRI at the only clinic where they could schedule it that late in the day. The doctor said that it was apparent that I had a "mass." As it was on an emergency basis, and I was doubled over in pain, a woman from work, Linda, wanted to drive me. Even though it would have been out of the way for her. Well, I told her I'd drive myself. Then I was scheduled for surgery. Linda kept in touch with me while I was out of work, checking up on me, and seeing how I was doing. When I came back into work, weeks later, I remember walking into the office, and the first person I saw as I came through the door was Linda. And the thought just "hit" me. (And with it came a physical sensation, like it happens when that kind of thing occurs.) "SHE HAS CANCER." Now, I may have associated her caring, subconsciously, with something a little more than what would've been expected of a co-worker, of course. But, she wasn't the only one who'd called, and I never actually had a conscious thought like that about her before that moment. I thought it was extremely odd, but kind of shrugged it off. She didn't look sick at all at that point. A few months went by, and one day I was crossing the street in front of the building where I work. Linda was standing by herself at the corner, waiting for the light to change. And I offered to share my umbrella, as it was raining. And that's when I noticed it. Her stomach was extended underneath the loose dress that was just like all the others she wore, and I could tell she was in a lot of pain. She'd hid the fact from all but two co-workers, and even her family for the two and a half years that she'd had the breast, liver and brain cancer. She'd opted to receive no treatment, and let the disease take it's course. We talked a little, and she told me she couldn't really talk about it, but promised she'd talk when she was ready. Well, two days later, she left the office and went into a hospice. The brain cancer finally killed her two weeks later, the day after 9/11. Penny ------------------- I'm familiar with the formula. Not long after its publication I was told by a chemist-biologist friend that one of the primary herbs in it had been outlawed (it's a weed in the Northwest, I am guessing got listed as a noxious weed?) and a plant from the same family was being bottled and marketed as a supplement under its name (but without its effect), effectively rendering the concoction difficult for the average person to make successfully. I don't know how true all that is as it's not my field and I didn't follow up, am just repeating. -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:01 am Subject: Re: Medical RV and Dreams; magic sharwebb_30512 Palyne, I know a psychic who got the same spider images that you got. She was doing a distant scanning of my 18 month old granddaughter, who was believed at the time to have crippling juvenile arthritis. Daniela was later diagnosed with neuroblastoma, a form of cancer. I have gotten direct images many times. Often they are in black and white, no color at all. I don't know why. Here's an example (only part of the story, because it's a long one): My daughter developed a mass on one ovary and was scheduled for exploratory surgery. Before the surgery, I scanned her and tried to see the mass. Instead of seeing the ovary, I saw the fallopian tube ending in what looked to me like a small monkey's brain. I am a nurse and I have never seen anything like it. I looked it up in dozens of medical books, but couldn't find anything that remotely resembled this thing. Then during the surgery, I psychically scanned her again. Again I saw the "monkey brain" and watched (in black and white) as hands and instruments moved quickly and removed it. Then with great surprise, I watched as the uterus was also removed. This wasn't scheduled! Why did he take the uterus? Afterwards, the surgeon told us that the mass was a very rare benign tumor. I can't remember the name of it now, but later I couldn't find it in any of the medical books, until a couple of days later when I found it in an obscure pathology book. It was described as looking like the brain of a small primate, as a monkey. Oh...and the surgeon did take the uterus, too. Minutes before the surgery, he spoke with my daughter about a hysterectomy and she agreed. Sharon sharwebb...net www.fractalus.com/sharon ------------------- Wow. That's confirmation, I'd say! Seeing the actual surgery! PJ Reply | Forward

#3866

From: "smitty97006" Date: Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:31 pm Subject: Re: Medical RV and Dreams; magic smitty97006 Howdy PJ, I did have one such experience wherein I got pretty much a literal and fairly clear visual representation of a disease. I had been practicing TRV for about 6 months, and was laying down for an afternoon nap. I decided I would see if I could get anything on what was the real problem with my friend who was about 18 months into what was thought to be some form or rare variant of Lou Gehrigs disease (ALS); they eventually settled on a diagnosis of Inclusion Body Myositis (IBM) btw. This was something along the lines of ERV, mentally utilizing some of the structure I was used to using in formal TRV type sessions. In any event a couple minutes in I got this very clear visual that I would need to draw to fully describe, but it was not complicated. This visual was so strong it just stayed with me and I ended up sketching it out on paper later in the day, which I still have. This caused me to begin doing some research on the internet in the following days and I ran across a picture of a full color slice of muscle tissue taken from the victim of this disease and put under a microscope. The shape, color, density, etc was exactly and I mean exactly what I had gotten in my visual and henceforth sketched. I never showed my friend the thing in that I honestly feared it would led to false hopes being built I could somehow RV a cure etc, which with 6 months experience I had no business even thinking about etc. But the closeness of what I visualized and subsequently found really was stunning. Now if I had found this photo slide early on in my research I would have thought that I had simply visualized what I was going to find on the internet; but as I dug for hours before I ran across that particular "matching" slide I strongly suspect I honestly visualized what the problem was, which was what this muscle tissue slide was used to show. Gene Smith Reply | Forward

#3869

From: "rfjuice2000" Date: Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:58 am Subject: Re: Medical RV and Dreams; magic rfjuice2000 > PJ wrote: > Has anybody else here picked up a medical issue, either in dreams, > spontaneously or via formal RV, in another person? If so, did you > get it symbolically, literally, conceptually, or....? Hi PJ, My mom gets a "knowing" when someone she cares about is sick. She has always done that, she says it's an uncomfortable feeling that's not right, and she somehow knows what person it is. I believe I've only gotten a medical issue once in a session. It was for a missing person, and I had seen open flesh, like you would see in an operation. Linda Reply | Forward

#3872

From: Barbara Date: Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:14 pm Subject: Re: Re: Medical RV and Dreams; magic threebears4u Hi PJ, and Linda, I usually get this kind of info in dreams. Before my former mother in law went in the hospital with a heart attack, I saw her in a hospital bed in my dream--it was just a picture of her laying there. I have found that by asking questions before I go to bed at night, that I can obtain answers in dreams, sometimes with only pictures, and sometimes with only a voice, telling me the answer. Once, when I had to have a serious surgery, I asked if I was going to die if I went through with the surgery the next morning. That night, I was told that there would be complications, but, I would live. I went into the surgery, confident, and as soon as I was given the anesthesia, I went into anaphalytic shock. Everything stopped and I had a NDE and went all the way through the tunnel. But, the doctors got me back and I lived. I don't doubt this process, because it has worked too many times for me. I am not sure how it works, though. So, give it a try as it may work for you too. Barb pjrv : Messages : 3877-3877 of 4038
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From: christina wellman Date: Thu Feb 19, 2004 12:16 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 402 ag0g0girl Online Now Send IM I had an experience once where I saw a friend in the grocery store, and when I lifted my hands to give her a hug, I just happened to have my palms raised towards her in the perfect angle and when I blinked I got a mental picture of her right side kidney. Later the next week I found out she had a really bad kidney infection.

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