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#3004

From: "pjgaenir" Date: Mon May 12, 2003 2:33 pm Subject: List Biz pjgaenir Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Amazingly enough, a couple more applicants actually bothered sending me email response to the pjrv requirements, so I approved them. I have dropped the registration requests of probably about 25 people in the last 2 months because they didn't bother to send me the email requested. I wonder if they take it personally. Is it really that unreasonable to ask for an intro email I wonder? Anyway, I am way overdue on going through the list and parsing, but I'm bringing my stout heart back around for another massive archiving effort, and I'll be a little more active here again soon. (I apologize. I know it's kind of rude of me to start a list and even start a specific discussion and then just abandon it all.) So if you haven't posted here on the list in 90 days, post something so you won't end up on the drop list ok. Thanks. PJ Reply | Forward

#3010

From: "stevenbzon" Date: Mon May 12, 2003 5:10 pm Subject: Re: List Biz stevenbzon Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Welcome back PJ! :) > So if you haven't posted > here on the list in 90 days, post something so you won't end up on > the drop list ok. Thanks. PJ Reply | Forward

#3013

From: David Date: Mon May 12, 2003 9:06 pm Subject: Re: List Biz a_healey56 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi PJ, I haven't done a lot of RVing lately, but it's because I've been taking McMoneagle's advise -- tuning up my meditation skills. I was introduced to remote viewing as a result of telling a couple of people about several interesting things that would happen occasionally during prolonged meditation. But when I started experimenting with with RV, I was using lots of the time that I previously dedicated to meditation, so I ended up not doing nearly as much meditation as before. When I first started reading about RV I thought to myself that people should become somewhat proficient at meditation first, then involve themselves with RV, but when I mentioned that on the lists most people didn't think it made too much sense. When I read a quote from McMoneagle that said essentially the same thing, I thought that I had better follow what I knew intuitively was right for me. Whether I've been doing much RV lately or not, I suppose I should buy Mind Trek and join in the conversation when it gets going again. David > So if you haven't posted here on the list in 90 days, > post something so you won't end up on the drop list ok. > Thanks. PJ Reply | Forward

#3016

From: "Linda & John Garvey" Date: Mon May 12, 2003 6:53 pm Subject: Re: List Biz linda_g7us Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi PJ -- >. . . Is it really that >unreasonable to ask for an intro email I wonder?> Nope. >. . . So if you haven't posted >here on the list in 90 days, post >something so you won't end up on >the drop list ok. Thanks. PJ Okay. Posting, posting, 1, 2, 3, 4 -- Seriously, I will try to post more often ...! :) Linda G "The distinction between past, present and future is only an illusion, even if a stubborn one." -- Albert Einstein -- Reply | Forward

#3024

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Tue May 13, 2003 7:30 am Subject: Re: List Biz ozblueriver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > I haven't done a lot of RVing lately, but it's because I've been taking > McMoneagle's advise -- tuning up my meditation skills. Hi Dave, How's the meditating going? Has anything interesting happened? Had any more OBE's? I've had to do all my learning via dreams 'cos that's the only time I'm free at the moment. LOL I've had a couple of dreams lately where something that feels like pure evil is trying to get in. Once it was in the form of a man trying to get in my house and in another dream it felt like a knot of evil without any form. I don't know what it is and haven't found a method to deal with it yet. My usual bold bravado has no effect and I end up running away in a panic. The last time I had it I decided it wasn't evil it was just fear, and my fear. So next time it will be interesting to see if I can face it. Cheers Liz ------------------------- Moderator's note: Seth once said that illness, including contagious sorts, are not merely transference of germs--everyone always has germs and 'latent potential' for illness--but rather, that what is contagious is an IDEA. This got me to thinking about how if all energy is consciousness, it is not that crazy to think of a 'germ' as a teeny-tiny-little identity. This reminded me that way-back-when, people thought of illness as being invaded by a host of tiny demons which might for example be in the blood. (And demon being the word for 'messenger' originally if you recall.) So then, dreams that might have a physiological--and yet, metaphysical also--base, such as fighting off an illness being a parallel to (or even literal of) fighting off a psychic attack. Sort of. I'm not sure where I'm going with this but I hope you get the idea. PJ Reply | Forward

#3038

From: David Date: Tue May 13, 2003 7:32 pm Subject: Re: List Biz a_healey56 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Liz, >How's the meditating going? Has anything > interesting happened? Had any more OBE's? Very good. It took a couple of weeks of meditating daily to really get back in the swing of things. Regarding OBE's, I haven't had a complete one, but I think I've started to have a couple more. Both of them were just like the one I told you about before - they just lasted a few seconds each. I've had several lucid dreams the last couple of weeks though, and I guess that's the next best thing. They can be very cool. > I've had to do all my learning via dreams 'cos that's > the only time I'm free at the moment. LOL Still real busy, huh? Me too. > I've had a couple of dreams lately where something > that feels like pure evil is trying to get in. Once > it was in the form of a man trying to get in my house > and in another dream it felt like a knot of evil without > any form. I don't know what it is and haven't found > a method to deal with it yet. My usual bold bravado has > no effect and I end up running away in a panic. > The last time I had it I decided it wasn't evil it was > just fear, and my fear. So next time it will be interesting > to see if I can face it. I get the feeling that you will. > Moderator's note: Seth once said that illness, including > contagious sorts, are not merely transference of germs-- > everyone always has germs and 'latent potential' for > illness--but rather, that what is contagious is an IDEA. PJ, if you would've thought about it harder you may have gotten over those chicken pox sooner. ;-) Dave -------------------------- Moderator's note: LOL! There you go. Actually after reading about adult CP on the internet I was genuinely frightened. The only amazing thing is that I wasn't a whole lot worse I imagine. :-) PJ Reply | Forward

#3027

From: Rfjuice... Date: Tue May 13, 2003 2:06 am Subject: Re: List Biz rfjuice2000 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi David, Meditation is how I started out also, it led me to RV as well. I find that when I get into a RV slump, if I just meditate with no specific goal for a week or so, it helps a lot. I bought Mind Trek a few weeks back, and I am almost finished with it. Some of his experiences he writes about in the book, are similar to things I've experienced and wondered about, so I'm enjoying his insight. Linda Reply | Forward

#3051

From: jsentient... Date: Wed May 14, 2003 11:36 am Subject: Re: List Biz jsentient Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Palyne, I don't log on much,,,,,,not at all in a long time,,,,,so I feel "lucky" I check pjrv today and discovered your request for folk who havn't been active to post. I haven't remote viewed for a long time either. I did however have an interesting PSI experience just last week. I had been "drafted" to serve in my command's OP Cntr. It was a night shift and a Sunday to boot (actually, Mother's day). It was very slow, lonely and quiet duty,,,,,and eventually I found a deck of playing cards in a desk drawer (I was looking for something to eat). I shuffled the deck many many times, laid the entire deck face down in a single pile in front of me. I closed my eyes and concentrated on what the first draw would be from the top of the deck. First I "saw" in my mind's eye, the pattern of symbols and decided the card was a ten. Next I seemed to sense the symbols were black, and soon decided they were clubs. I felt satisfied. I opened my eyes and flipped the card, the ten of clubs. I tried the same thing a second and a third time and failed both times,,,,and then quit,,,,played a little solitare. Damn, if I could only repeat,,,,,I'd have it made! Hope you are well my friend. J --------------------- Doing good, and glad you chanced in here. ;-) In a group setting, I guessed the suit+number out of 52/51 for the first two cards drawn from a shuffled deck. Then when everybody looked at me in astonishment, I got all self conscious about it. I sensed the next one was an 8 but no longer felt sure (mostly ego-neurotic LOL!). So I shrugged, refused to answer and left the room. It was an 8 I saw as I left. But I didn't know the suit. For some reason the cards thing is sometimes easy briefly but then our brain gets a clue what's going on and it's all over. ;-) PJ Reply | Forward

#3025

From: "Chris Corden" Date: Tue May 13, 2003 6:02 am Subject: RE: List Biz chriscordenuk Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 I may be quiet, but I'm still interested. There are some fascinating threads at the moment. We've been looking at the changes to Earth energies around Beltane. You can feel the Earth waking up. Does this effect RV? If it it does, does it make it easier or harder? For me it seems easier to go and look somewhere else, but that could be for any number of reasons unconnected with the Sun's position. One could be that the 'veil' is very thin in many places around here, which may make travelling easier. Does the underlying structure of the earth make any difference to RVing? Some people find granite so 'zingy' it's uncomfortable, with clay and chalk much pleasanter. Others will revel in the clarity granite can bring. Perhaps we are all born to our own kind of landscape. Thoughts on any of the above are more than welcome. Chris Corden ---------------------------- Moderator's note: There is an excellent book called "Needles of Stone" by Tom Graves. It is difficult to explain the various ways it relates to what you're saying, but it's worth buying. PJ Reply | Forward

#3034

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue May 13, 2003 12:17 pm Subject: RE: List Biz docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Well Chris, The only things that has been documented scientifically are that when the solar wind is high RV becomes more difficult, and when the center of the milky way is overhead RV becomes more difficult, when it is on the (eastern?) horizon it becomes easier ( search Spottiswood and RV or "sidereal time" effect and RV). Nothing documented about seasons. Bill ---------------------------- Moderator's note: If 'more difficult' is understood to mean, 'measured scores of accuracy were lower', that's okay. The phrase used makes it sound like it's just physically harder in some way. It isn't to my knowledge more or less difficult at different times; it is just, as an overall average, clearly more or less accurate at different times. (If we knew by difficulty when we were accurate, this whole process would be a lot more pain free. ;-)) PJ Reply | Forward

#3050

From: "Chris Corden" Date: Wed May 14, 2003 4:25 am Subject: RE: List Biz - seasons - solar winds - milky ways' and landscapes chriscordenuk Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Bill and PJ I've stuck a heading on this reply for the sake of easy tracking. For any reading this first, Bill and PJ are answering my list biz response of Tuesday 13th This is where things get interesting. Bill's research tells that the strength of the solar wind and position of the Milky Way has an effect on the relative ease, or difficulty of RVing. On the other hand PJ mentions accuracy and questions the use of a 'physical' measure. My question was asking about the 'physical'. The effort required to reach a site. Which probably shows up my relative ignorance of what you guys call RV, where accuracy is clearly of great importance. I tend to see places and things as if part of me is somewhere else and sending a picture back. It's a bit hit and miss, I probably don't do do it often enough for it not to be, but at times there is a definite feeling of a 'physical' journey and arrival. After arriving I can then look around and see what I want to see. It is this process that seems easier at the moment, unless I'm simply getting more used to it. Or completely off my trolley! (Always a possibility) Bill's research would seem to argue that things do have a physical effect. In his case the cause is external to the planet. Which is one of the questions on the way to be answered, or maybe actually answered. The other is can the earth's energies have a similar effect? I would guess they can, and do. This thread may go no further than this, if that's the case thanks Bill and PJ, though it would be interesting to take it a bit further. If nothing else it would probably improve my understanding of RVing. Best to all Chris ---------------------------- Moderator's note: Bill was referring to research from Spottiswoode et al, not his own. (See www.jsasoc.com library.) As for targets being more or less difficult to make contact with in a LITERAL sense, I don't know an answer to that; I do know that RV is so profoundly psychologically based that this is probably not something that can be easily addressed the same for everybody. Research by May et al on Shannon Entropy paper infers there are intrinsic qualities in targets that may make them more or less likely to be 'acquired' in target-contact by a viewer. I dispute the assumptions found in that paper, as they measured feedback, and they provided viewers feedback, and no controls contrary to that, so in my opinion they really cannot say whether they measured an intrinsic target property or a feedback property or the *effect of feedback upon the viewers* as its own property. Still that addresses your Q somewhat. The personal importance the target has to the viewer, and the impact of feedback upon the viewer, these are profound areas of importance, and this is even clear in the more subtle question of how the viewer thinks about daily practice, their ability to find interest even in mundane targets for the process, what importance they place on it and so forth. Personal hands-on experience with an element in or the overall nature of the target seems (this is an experiential note, not research) to have a lot to do with the acquisition of data about it and some of the details. It may be that hands-on experience gives our brains a better database for comparing. Regards, PJ Reply | Forward

#3059

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu May 15, 2003 5:00 pm Subject: RE: List Biz - seasons - solar winds - milky ways' and landscapes docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Chris, First that is not my research. It was done by a number of top paranormal scientists. Below are three websites for Spottiswoods and May, also please check Dean Radin's site. Re physical effects: Since all these scientists feel psi is not do to a physical transfer or physical radiation, they believe all these effects act on some part of the BRAIN responsible for picking up psi, since the brain is electrochemical in nature as well as tuned into psi "whatever". As far as your images being foggy etc. That is how it always is. RV tries to provide a structure that helps organize the output..but usually it's still foggy. Bill Library - James Spottiswoode and Associates ... result. Anomalous Cognition Effect Size: Dependence on Sidereal Time and Solar Wind Parameters S. James P. Spottiswoode; Edwin C. May. ... www.jsasoc.com/library.html cached 2. Anomalous Cognition Effect Size: Dependence on Sidereal Time and ... (PDF) ... Cognition Effect Size: Dependence on Sidereal Time and Solar Wind Parameters by S. James P. Spottiswoode and Edwin C. May Cognitive Sciences Laboratory, Palo ... www.jsasoc.com/docs/PA-GMF.pdf view as html 3. Possible Effect of Geomagnetic Fluctuations on the Timing of ... (PDF) ... Author: SJP Spottiswoode Science Applications International Corporation, Cognitive Science Laboratory ... Lett 1988;88:2714. Randall W. The solar wind and human ... www.jsasoc.com/docs/Epilepsia.pdf view as html Reply | Forward

#3069

From: "Chris Corden" Date: Fri May 16, 2003 3:00 am Subject: RE: List Biz - seasons - solar winds - milky ways' and landscapes chriscordenuk Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Bill Thanks for that, and the links. The fog is slowly clearing, on some things anyway. Best wishes Chris Reply | Forward

#3028

From: "Nita Hickok" Date: Tue May 13, 2003 2:01 am Subject: Re: List Biz nitahickok Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hello PJ I don't feel that a intro email is a bad idea. I can't figure out why people wouldn't do it either. I have had to do it on a couple of lists. Your archiving efforts are always really interesting so I'll be awaiting the results. Nita Reply | Forward

#3041

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue May 13, 2003 11:55 am Subject: Re: List Biz docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi PJ, I agree. I see no problem in a list intro. We might consider having old members reintroduce themselves once a year or so also. Bill Reply | Forward

#3039

From: "Darren Danks" Date: Tue May 13, 2003 1:31 pm Subject: RE: List Biz daz_ufo Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Pj and the list Rather than making extra work for you when purging I think it would be better if you drop me from the list. I know I have only really been lurking but I've been enjoying the threads but I don't think that is fair to the list. Right now I'm studying hard to become a professionally qualified web master but I'm doing it on the evenings as well as working in the day so for the next 8-10 months I'm going to be totally focused on that which means that I wouldn't have time to contribute to the list or even keep up with the threads. I would like to thank you, and everyone, for many months of very interesting posts and hope to come back towards the end of the year once all my study and exams are out of the way and I can begin to contribute better. Take care and I'll see you all again soon.ish :-) Darren ------------------------ Moderator's note: Hi Darren, as you wish. The 'easy read archives' are linked from the Firedocs home page and are updated about 4 times a year. PJ Reply | Forward

#3045

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Wed May 14, 2003 1:53 am Subject: RE: List Biz docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Darren, Well I think this post meets all the qualifications.. and I hope you stay. Best Regards, Bill --- Darren Danks wrote: > Hi Pj and the list > > Rather than making extra work for you when purging I > think it would be > better if you drop me from the list. I know I have > only really been > lurking but I've been enjoying the threads but I > don't think that is > fair to the list. Right now I'm studying hard to > become a professionally > qualified web master but I'm doing it on the > evenings as well as working > in the day so for the next 8-10 months I'm going to > be totally focused > on that which means that I wouldn't have time to > contribute to the list > or even keep up with the threads. > > I would like to thank you, and everyone, for many > months of very > interesting posts and hope to come back towards the > end of the year once > all my study and exams are out of the way and I can > begin to contribute > better. > > Take care and I'll see you all again soon.ish :-) > > Darren > > ------------------------ > Moderator's note: Hi Darren, as you wish. The 'easy > read archives' are linked from the Firedocs home > page and are updated about 4 times a year. PJ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Reply | Forward

#3058

From: "Darren Danks" Date: Thu May 15, 2003 2:50 pm Subject: RE: List Biz daz_ufo Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Bill and the list Well Bill, if PJ and everyone here is happy for me to stay on even if I can't contribute for a while then I'd love to. I just felt guilty for being here and not being able to contribute. While I'm having a break from studying and design I can give a quick bit about me. At the moment I'm working as an Electronics Engineer but I've grown very bored with electronics because unless you're totally on the cutting edge of things, there's just no creativity in the field. Now I've been interested in doing the odd page or two in HTML so I've begun studying for my CIW qualification to become a Web Master which will allow me to expand my creative side. Working right now in the electronics industry forces you to think logically and so dullens the psychic side of my brain. I know that when I allow my creative side to open, so does psychic "happenings" whether it being things like finishing friends sentences while speaking or "knowing" a car was going to run a red light so stopping and saving me and the car. I also "know" if a spirit is around but I haven't yet got the ability to converse (except for one occasion when I think I spoke with my guide, a little girl called Mary who physically died in 1856 in a fire. Now that was an amazing experience). RV side of things, I've been seriously interested in the subject since reading Joe McMoneagle's Mind Trek book a few years ago. Since then I've had "nibbles" at RV but never been able to really develop. That is something I want to do once my Web Master course is complete in around 6-7 months time. It would definitely be nice to stay on the list because I firmly believe that reading more and more helps to "train" your sub-conscious mind to accept the ability and therefore allowing the "gift" to come to the fore. Well, that's me then. Thanks again Bill. Back to some design on a site I have to do. Take care Darren In the UK ----------------------- Moderator's note: You're welcome to stay Darren, post once every few months and I am cool with it. I don't have much in the way of demands--it's simply that I want the list to stay reasonably small and for the most the people to know who the others are... I feel it improves conversation and sharing. Oh, and some humor! Your optimism is charming. :-) Webmastering gets more time intensive, not less. Merely keeping up with changes in existing s/w requires nearly a full time job of time of learning in addition to one's actual job. You'll find webmastering is pretty ludicrously time consuming as a job. (Having done it since '95, I know.) You might want to invest in stock for caffeinated colas, delivery pizza chains, 4" software book publishers, PayPal, and other vendors you'll spend the rest of your career supporting. ;-) And make friends with groups like evolt.org. :-) PJ Reply | Forward

#3073

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Fri May 16, 2003 1:56 pm Subject: RE: List Biz docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Darren, Sounds like you would be a good CRV person. Lyn loves to get engineers and scientists and teach them his system. He says they usually do very well at it. There is a logic to RV also.. having to do with recognizing the signal and sorting out stray cats.. and learning to recognize when you are analyzing or imagining..as uppposed to when something is "signal line" info. Good Luck, Bill

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