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#3882

From: "Scott" Date: Mon Mar 1, 2004 11:37 am Subject: Joe McMoneagle interview scottrver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 http://www.futuretalk.org/listen/listentofuturetalk0402.html This is a fairly short new interview, but he describes his methodology more than I've heard in other interviews. Mind you, it's a short description. Scott Reply | Forward

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From: "Glyn" Date: Mon Mar 1, 2004 2:21 pm Subject: RE: Joe McMoneagle interview glynis5799 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Great interview Scott, thanks for posting that :-). I liked the part where Joe said that when preparing to do a session he used a form of Zen meditation, and when he reached the point where he was perfectly balanced he would open to the target, but that if he thought about being perfectly balanced he'd ruin things. I remember talking once to a Zen practitioner and he wasn't an RVer, but said exactly the same thing about getting to that 'point'...that thinking about it can spoil it. Joe must be able to get to there and still be able to engage his conscious mind somewhat though in order to gauge that conditions are right and to decide to open up; I guess that's where the balancing comes in (visions of him on a high-wire with a long pole :-)), and he's just very good at it. I would love to be able to ask him more about that part of it, just how it feels, but maybe it would be difficult for him to explain; he just does it I guess, and that's what makes him so good. I remember Joe mentioning his false awakenings in his book (where he was RVing from a lucid dream state), but to hear him talking about them was fascinating. I think I read that he was unnerved by them, and I can understand why.. I have had lucid dreams and some false awakenings, but nothing like that thank goodness. I remember reading somewhere about someone who had about 24 of them on the trot. Each time they would wake up in bed, get dressed, have breakfast, leave the house, get on public transport and head off to work.... each time getting nearer and nearer. Not only unnerving, but extremely annoying and frustrating too. Joe told how he had 'woken up' from the altered state, written up his notes and gone down the corridor, and he only became lucid when he put his hand straight through the electric light switch, and it went on like that a number of times. I don't suppose you'd ever get 'stuck' in a loop, because sooner or later you'd either become aware what was happening (like 'Groundhog Day'), and break out, or you would be disturbed or naturally wake up; hopefully. I once became lucid when I was sitting in my front room typing some email, and it's hard to explain how real these experiences are to those who've never had one. I agree that it makes you think about the nature of reality. Joe reported success with RVing from lucid dreams and from OBEs. Another few questions I would like to ask Joe there, because I have had experiences of leaving my body too, and have always been of the opinion that OBEs were just another form of lucid dream, ..but Joe gave the impression that he definitely thought the two were different, and I'd like to ask him about that and the main differences he noticed between the two types of experience. (PJ, your archives are extensive, any previous answers tucked away in there somewhere? :-). Fascinating stuff, Glyn Reply | Forward

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From: "Scott" Date: Tue Mar 2, 2004 8:49 pm Subject: Re: Joe McMoneagle interview scottrver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 --- In pjrv...ups.com, "Glyn" I liked the part where Joe said that when preparing to do a session he used a > form of Zen meditation, and when he reached the point where he was perfectly > balanced he would open to the target, but that if he thought about being > perfectly balanced he'd ruin things. ... I would love to be able to ask him > more about that part of it, just how it feels, but maybe it would be difficult > for him to explain; he just does it I guess, and that's what makes him so good. My methodology is very similar - set my intent, relax my body, meditate to clear my mind, open to the intent, get perceptions. I'm just short about 10,000 sessions and probably a fair amount of natural ability, but it works pretty well above chance for me. I've experienced several different altered states which are dramatically different from normal consciousness and are very difficult to explain off the cuff. And it may be that our subjective experiences of the same states are different. My best advice to anyone would be to practice a meditation that completely clears your mind. If you found someone to do neurofeedback with you, the process could probably be considerably faster. Scott Reply | Forward

#3887

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Wed Mar 3, 2004 4:45 pm Subject: Re: Re: Joe McMoneagle interview docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Scott and Glyn, In answering my own question.just to start things off...G. In meditation . I was taught to block out psychic inputs also in order to get to total inner peace . When I experience RV meditation.. if I go all the way to a completely peaceful focused mind..I don't receive psychic images or sensories..just experience sort of an ecstasy. I have to stop somewhere just short of that.. and maintain some concious INTENTION on the target with as little thought as possible..but not down to zero. I wonder if that is what Joe means by the fence balance. ---- (sorry doc, I didn't see the msgs here, I've been offline for thunderstorms for a day or so. - pj) Reply | Forward

#3890

From: Timelord2029... Date: Wed Mar 3, 2004 11:17 am Subject: Re: Re: Joe McMoneagle interview psitrooper24 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 > scottrver...m writes: > I'm > just short about 10,000 sessions and probably a fair amount > of natural > ability, WOW 10,000 Thats pretty impressive well done, iam no where near that amount of sessions. At what point did you determine a marked improvement in the quality of sessions you did scott or has it been a gradual process overall? Peace, Tunde Reply | Forward

#3892

From: "Nita Hickok" Date: Fri Mar 5, 2004 12:09 pm Subject: Re: Re: Joe McMoneagle interview nitahickok Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hello Bill I think it is more likely that he means balancing the energetic system. There are meridians that are to be kept in balance. In other disciplines I have studied it is the elements, higher and lower self connections, and the actual physical, mental and higher self balances. In any of the mental disciplines it works better to be balanced where the input is not interfered with in any way. I know that when people are unbalanced or upset the input gets filtered through those imbalances and emotions and it therefore is tainted by your judgements at the time. Nita Reply | Forward

#3889

From: "Glyn" Date: Wed Mar 3, 2004 2:39 pm Subject: RE: Re: Joe McMoneagle interview glynis5799 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Scott, > My methodology is very similar - set my intent, relax my body, > meditate to clear my mind, open to the intent, get perceptions. I'm > just short about 10,000 sessions and probably a fair amount of natural > ability, but it works pretty well above chance for me. Wow! I have not counted mine, but I must be up in the hundreds by now, but nowhere near that number. After all those sessions have you come to any conclusions re times or conditions that seem to affect your performance? When you say you open to the intent after clearing your mind, doesn't that in itself cause your conscious mind to kick back in. Do you mean that by setting your intent in advance of your meditation that you are instructing your sub to automatically open up to perceptions when it reaches the right state? That's the part that I am interested in. Interesting what you say about neurofeedback. Did you notice it helping you almost immediately? I have definitely considered getting such a machine, but the last time I looked at the prices they cost quite a lot. I am considering getting one of the small sound/light machines at the moment. The one I am thinking of is called 'Proteus' and is more in my price-range. Anyone tried that, or any other machine like it? Regards, Glyn Reply | Forward

#3891

From: "Scott" Date: Fri Mar 5, 2004 3:59 am Subject: Re: Joe McMoneagle interview scottrver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 What a miscommunication!!! I meant that I've done about 10,000 LESS sessions than Joe McMoneagle, not that I've done 10,000. Scott > > I'm > > just short about 10,000 sessions and probably > > a fair amount of natural > > ability, but it works pretty well above chance for me. ------------ I'd done the math on that and was thinking that given several years and the sessions per day required to fit all those in, you should probably be committed! Whew, for your sanity. ;-) PJ Reply | Forward

#3888

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Wed Mar 3, 2004 4:39 pm Subject: RE: Joe McMoneagle interview docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 http://www.futuretalk.org/listen/listentofuturetalk0402.html Hi Thanks for posting this interview. I agree with what Glyn said.. but would ask more about the balancing parable. What is he balancing..or what do others feel is being balanced? Please that would be interesting to hear from everyone. Also..loved Joes overall model.. that we are essentially omnicient and omnipresent and carry the whole universe around with us. We never go ANYWHERE in an OBE or Rv its all already THERE. We just learn to quiet the static. Reply | Forward

#3893

From: "Scott" Date: Fri Mar 5, 2004 7:19 pm Subject: Re: Joe McMoneagle interview - balancing scottrver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 For me, there is a fine line to walk between maintaining enough consciousness to maintain clarity when needed and not drift off into sleep or get lost in a hypnagogic thread, versus keeping my conscious involvement low enough so that my mind is open to perception (hypnagogic and otherwise). This is the essence of how I do RV. It really is a balancing act and is a challenge for me everytime. I don't know if it's exactly the same one he's talking about but it sounds as though it might be pretty close. Scott --- In pjrv...ups.com, Bill Pendragon http://www.futuretalk.org/listen/listentofuturetalk0402.html > > Hi Thanks for posting this interview. I agree with > what Glyn said.. but would ask more about the > balancing parable. What is he balancing..or what do > others feel is being balanced? Please that would be > interesting to hear from everyone. Reply | Forward

#3894

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Sat Mar 6, 2004 5:54 am Subject: Re: Joe McMoneagle interview ozblueriver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 >> What is he balancing..or what do others feel is being balanced? Please that would be interesting to hear from everyone.>> Hi Bill, many years ago I read that some American Indians said that if we want to reach spirit then to become like a hollow bone. That's always stuck with me and is the method I use. It's clearing the mind until it's 'hollow'. As Joe said, if you start to think that you've reached balance (the hollow bone state) then you have just managed to fill it again by thinking. I ask to be shown the target, stop thinking and just wait. After a few seconds, maybe 10-15, info enters the hollow and after a while I take a break and write down what I saw or felt. Then I start again. I sometimes feel that holding my thoughts is like holding my breath. I can only do it for so long but I take advantage of the hollow while it's there. Stopping to write stuff down every few minutes actually helps in a way because I can think again for a minute. Sort of like taking a mental breather. cheers Liz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

#3895

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Sat Mar 6, 2004 5:27 pm Subject: Re: Joe McMoneagle interview ozblueriver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 In the interview Joe says that we are made up of a spiritual and a physical body. He said that he pays a lot of attention to his spiritual self and as a consequence the physical steps into line with it. I'd like him to tell us exactly what he means my that. Liz ---------------- Well save up your questions. Maybe late this year I can plead our case for another interview. ;-) PJ Reply | Forward

#3897

From: David Date: Sat Mar 6, 2004 11:30 pm Subject: Re: Joe McMoneagle interview a_healey56 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Howdy Liz, I bet what Joe means is that when you pay attention to your spiritual component and devote a lot of time and attention to it, like through meditation, keeping dream journals, acting on your intuition, - the list could go on - that it's a natural consequence for the latent, underdeveloped spiritual component of your being to grow, and eventually start to rule over the physical body instead of being ruled over by it. Remote viewing would be on the list too, because it's another way of trying to accessing and develop that component of your being. I've never heard him say anything unique about this subject, except maybe with respect to remote viewing. Anyway, that's what I think he means. David Reply | Forward

#3896

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Sat Mar 6, 2004 9:06 pm Subject: Re: Joe McMoneagle interview ozblueriver Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 >>>Well save up your questions. Maybe late this year I can plead our case for another interview. ;-) PJ Cool. I'd love it if Joe wrote a whole book about his personal experiences with PSI. How it affects his life and all the PSI related discoveries he has made. Is that asking too much? I'm more than willing to beg. ;) cheers Liz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

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From: Richard Krankoski Date: Tue Mar 2, 2004 6:28 pm Subject: interesting reported local psychic event Rich_crv Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 check out: http://www.fayettevillenc.com/story.php?Template=columnists&Story=6203876 Rich ------------------- Rich was polite enough to only post a link, but since I know how fast stories disappear off news sites, I'm pasting in the text from that link below. - PJ Psychic sends gas leak warning By Jim Pettit Staff columnist 3/2/2004 X-Files, the television series and movie, conditioned viewers to strange, unexplained occurrences, especially in the American Southwest. Robert Newberry of Lumberton never paid a lot of attention to such psychic things. It was, after all, just science-fiction entertainment. But now, he's not so sure. Newberry has two daughters who live in Heber-Overgaard, Ariz., which is a town of about 3,000 residents in the mountains. It is situated about 120 miles north of Phoenix. His oldest daughter, Kathy Carnahan, is a fifth-grade school teacher. She has lived in Arizona since 1981. The other, Jennifer, is a college student. Kathy called home last week with a curious story to tell her father. More than a story, really. A warning. It involved a psychic who lives in Heber-Overgaard and sometimes works with law enforcement agencies, including the FBI. Good success rate The man is summoned when leads or clues in a case have dried up, a what-have-we-got-to-lose tactic. His success is notable. As recent as last year, he helped break a puzzling case involving a missing mail carrier. Kathy and her husband became friends with the psychic through a mutual interest in horses. ''They were having dinner one night,'' Newberry said, ''and the man asked my daughter about her connection to North Carolina. She told him that I lived here. He wanted to know what part of the state and if I lived on Walnut Street, and she said she wasn't sure about my exact address. ''The man told her to contact me,'' Newberry said, ''and to have me get in touch with the gas company because I had a gas leak in my house.'' Kathy was surprised but took the warning seriously. The psychic was insistent, reminding her a couple of times during the evening that she needed to call her father ... and soon. ''She called about 9 or 10 o'clock one night to tell me about it,'' said Newberry, who lives at 3506 N. Walnut St., ''but, at first, I didn't think much about it. First of all, she's a practical joker. We play practical jokes on each other all the time. But the next morning I got up, called the gas company, told them I smelled a little gas leak and dramatized it a little bit. They sent a guy out who put a meter on all the vents in the house.'' The readings revealed the presence of carbon monoxide. ''Sure enough, I had a cracked heat exchanger,'' Newberry said. The gas was immediately cut off, just in time for the snow and ice on Thursday and Friday. There are no complaints Newberry isn't complaining about a couple of chilly nights. Alternatives could be much worse. A new gas pack was installed yesterday. ''This kind of blew my mind,'' Newberry said, ''because I don't really believe in that psychic stuff.'' Carnahan, contacted in Arizona, preferred not to identify the psychic. ''I wouldn't feel comfortable giving out his name,'' she said. ''He kind of does things that he doesn't really want people to know who he is. ''He asked me if my Dad's house had natural gas,'' she recalled, ''but I told him I really didn't know, that I had never been to Dad's house and hadn't talked to him in six or seven months, but that I would call. He said to make sure I did that right away.'' Kathy expected some skepticism. ''I knew that Dad probably wouldn't believe it,'' she said, ''but our friend was so adamant about me calling. He said it over and over again. And when it turned out he had the right street? ''I know this gentleman,'' she said, ''but I don't know him that well, and there is no way he could have gotten that information.'' Well, no way that we understand.

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