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pjrv : Messages : 2480-2511 of 4038
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pjrv/messages/2480?) 2006/07/01 00:01:26
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#2480

From: "Linda & John Garvey" Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 11:10 am Subject: Re: Re: Ingo swann on TO linda_g7us Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 >Eva wrote: >Then again, maybe if you believe it exists, that makes it exist and >if you don't believe it exists then it doesn't. Or maybe it still >does but you just don't notice cuz you aren't looking for it. Or >maybe if you look for it, that makes it exist. . . . Not believing something dangerous exists doesn't seem to make one safe from harm, IMO. In the physical world, many people get diseases before those diseases are even known about. People have been overcome by toxic fumes without having a clue that they are present (this is why many utility companies put a noxious odor in natural gas). In the psychological realm, people can be tricked by skilled but unethical psychologists, sales people, con artists, even "friends" with ulterior motives and other slime who seem to know instinctively how to manipulate each individual. These predators have been known to brag that the easiest person to trick is a person who doesn't believe that he or she can be tricked. I suspect that the same dynamics might apply in the world of psi (in any form). Of course, we each have our own attitudes, feelings and instincts about this, and what works for one might not work for another, as far as vulnerability/danger/protection. Of course, I don't believe we should be "paranoid", but I do feel that people need to be reasonably wary and protect ourselves in most endeavors, perhaps especially in psi-related/metaphysical/spiritual activities, where all the "answers" seem to be far from being anywhere near "in." Linda G "The distinction between past, present and future is only an illusion, even if a stubborn one." -- Albert Einstein --
~~--------ArchivedPostFollows_Yahoo-PJRV_group--------- Moderator's note: It depends on what level of belief we're talking about here. Conscious belief -- sure. Every day is a surprise. But there are core psychological structures which do seem to relate to the events that people bring into their lives. In the quantum philosophy, it gets to the point of Sethian constructs of creating one's own reality. In which case, if one TRULY -- at a core level -- does not choose to be gassed, diseased, or convinced to buy that new laundry detergent, they will not be. The real issue is that most people are oblivious to even their semi-conscious motivations and belief systems, and even the most obvious cause-effect series in their lives; let alone the deeper models and mental maps that they may create their reality with. Obviously that is only one philosophy -- Don and I have a good time arguing about this one :-) -- but how one interprets, for example, "safety", depends on what kind of philosophy you hold about the very experience of reality. If you believe we are responsible for our own experience, safety from surprises and need for protection is not a big issue; the protection would be from oneself, first. If you don't believe we are responsible at a core level for the creation of our reality experience, then definitely, all precautions must be taken to protect us from what amounts to almost infinite threats (fire, flood, burglary, gas, C02, etc. etc.). -- PJ Reply | Forward

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From: "Linda & John Garvey" Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 4:52 pm Subject: Re: Re: Ingo swann on TO linda_g7us Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 >Moderator's note: It depends on what level of belief we're talking about >here. Conscious belief -- sure. Every day is a surprise. But there are >core psychological structures which do seem to relate to the events that >people bring into their lives. In the quantum philosophy, it gets to the >point of Sethian constructs of creating one's own reality. In which case, >if one TRULY -- at a core level -- does not choose to be gassed, diseased, >or convinced to buy that new laundry detergent, they will not be. To me, one of the issues is that many of us, though we have beliefs on the subject, do not feel that we know for certain just how much of our reality we create or control. Probably, for some, more than they think; for others, possibly less. Also, there are other people out there creating their own reality, some of which could involve us. Some are wonderful people; others not-so-nice. Each of us has to decide what we feel we need to protect ourselves from, how, and to what extent -- individually, by trusting our OWN instincts and intuition, rather than someone else's opinion. This makes sense to me. And I don't mind saying, BTW, that I am glad that the gas company apparently is NOT a subscriber to any of this -- they put the noxious odor in the natural gas, and have saved many lives, IMO, by doing this. Sometimes, there' s nothing wrong with being "practical." ;) Linda G "The distinction between past, present and future is only an illusion, even if a stubborn one." -- Albert Einstein -- Reply | Forward

#2511

From: greenmn900... Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 3:31 pm Subject: Re: Re: Ingo swann on TO greenmn900... Send Email Send Email PJ, > You wrote: > "Obviously that is only one philosophy -- Don and I have a good time arguing > about this one :-) -- but how one interprets, for example, "safety", depends > on what kind of philosophy you hold about the very experience of reality." I just thought I should mention that you've pretty much convinced me, PJ. These days I find more evidence for your perspective than for my old one, lol. Warm Regards, Don ----------------------- Moderator's note: Dang. It's worrisome when a lot of people agree with me. You know what Mark Twain used to say -- "When you find yourself siding with the majority, it is time to reform." ;-) PJ

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