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pjrv : Messages : 2296-2325 of 4038
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pjrv/messages/2296?) 2006/06/30 23:50:57
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#2296

From: "waterway_21 " Date: Tue Feb 18, 2003 10:13 am Subject: Ingo Swann 7 layers of meaning waterway_21 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi folks, I just finished reading an article from Mr. Swann's website regarding "teasing out 7 layers of meaning" from RV info. He states that he process is commonly used with great success, but I have not read anything on the process itself, and he doesn't go into that in his essay. Can anyone discuss or point to a previous discussion of this process? I notice the "objects" I RV often have many characteristics of the target, but are not "the target" such as the Hella Hammid example he uses as an example. I get the feeling my accuracy will improve, but is there some method of teasing out the layers of meaning? Thanks for any information anyone can provide. -Benton R. Bogle Reply | Forward

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From: Barbara Baumgardner Date: Tue Feb 18, 2003 7:09 pm Subject: Re: Ingo Swann 7 layers of meaning threebears4u Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi---- I don't claim to know and this is just a guess, but I wonder if Ingo is making a reference to different 'senses' ? sight, sound, touch, taste, smell, remote influence, and intuition. Regards, Barb Reply | Forward

#2305

From: "Nita Hickok" Date: Wed Feb 19, 2003 11:14 pm Subject: Re: Ingo Swann 7 layers of meaning nitahickok Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hello Barbara I heard his speech and he said everything we receive comes in layers. The aperture that can pick up the most layers can also pick up the most information. He also said that we had a lot more senses than the ones everyone knows about. NIta On 18 Feb 2003 at 17:09, Barbara Baumgardner wrote: > Hi---- > I don't claim to know and this is just a guess, but I wonder if Ingo > is making a reference to different 'senses' ? sight, sound, touch, > taste, smell, remote influence, and intuition. Regards, Barb > > > > . > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > RV Oasis [pjrv] Practical Psi with PJ Gaenir > Subscribe: pjrv-subscribe...ups.com > Unsubscribe: pjrv-unsubscribe...ups.com > Visit Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pjrv/ > Firedocs RV: http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/ > Owner/Moderator: Email to PJ at pj....com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Reply | Forward

#2309

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:18 pm Subject: Re: Ingo Swann 7 layers of meaning docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Nita, I like the LAYERS idea.. does he give hints (or can you) in peeling the layers...or becoming aware of them better? Best Regards, Bill Reply | Forward

#2315

From: "Nita Hickok" Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 11:29 am Subject: Re: Ingo Swann 7 layers of meaning nitahickok Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Bill I think he has a set of three books upon Power. I know Viv bought the set of them. Hello Viv-are you out there? I don't remember the titles. Nita On 21 Feb 2003 at 11:18, Bill Pendragon wrote: > Hi Nita, > > I like the LAYERS idea.. does he give hints (or can > you) in peeling the layers...or becoming aware of them > better? > > Best Regards, > > Bill > > > > . > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > RV Oasis [pjrv] Practical Psi with PJ Gaenir > Subscribe: pjrv-subscribe...ups.com > Unsubscribe: pjrv-unsubscribe...ups.com > Visit Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pjrv/ > Firedocs RV: http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/ > Owner/Moderator: Email to PJ at pj....com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Reply | Forward

#2310

From: Barbara Baumgardner Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 10:16 am Subject: Re: Ingo Swann 7 layers of meaning threebears4u Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Nita, Thanks for your reply. That makes sense. Regards, Barb --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply | Forward

#2307

From: "waterway_21 " Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 2:00 pm Subject: Re: Ingo Swann 7 layers of meaning waterway_21 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Thanks Barb, I appreciate your insight. I get the feeling from the context of his comment (which I left out), that he is referencing some process of pulling out the "meaning" of RV'd material. Here's my beginner's understanding of what he is talking about. I hope more experienced RVers will correct my confusions. The ego driven "conscious" mind makes sense of the world by clumping traits together into "things". That clump of traits is a chair, that clump of things is photosynthesis, that clump of things is a magazine. Each of these things is defined by us as part of our world by their "meaning", by their clump of traits. All these "things" that make up our world exist in their relation to each other through "meanings". We percieve tons of info, but we ignore the traits that don't relate to our network, or grid, of meaning. In this way, we make sense of what we perceive because it all relates to the rest of what we perceive. Unfortunately, a lot slips through the internetworking of meaning because it doesn't get snagged by traits we relate to reality. The subconscious mind has immediate access to all information. Unfortunately, the conscious mind and the subconscious mind don't really speak the same language. Stuff does arise from the subconscious mind and sometimes gets caught in the web of meaning the conscious mind uses to think. When this happens, RV happens. The beginning part of RV is helped if somehow the two layers of mind can speak the same language. The ideogram is a clump of info the subconscious sends the conscious mind, but that clump of traits may only latch onto some obscure trait from another concept the conscious mind uses. Its like when two people who speak different languages and try to talk, they struggle to find some object or gesture they share, and build upon that little bit of shared info to understand each other. Or like two tables in a database that cannot be used together until they have some trait in common that links the two, then the rest of the info can fall into place. I think this is what Mr. Swann is talking about when he mentions "teasing out the 7 layers of meaning". You take the ball of traits the subconscious gives you, then you break it down and try to find out what traits fit and make sense to your conscious mind. Maybe if you get a handful of clumps from the subconscious, you can pull out enough traits to find a related meaning in your conscious mind. This is of course just part of the picture, but I've gone on long enough for now. Is this what he is talking about? And what about the seven layers? Is there some documented method for associating traits between subconscious and conscious meaning? I've gone back and started reading the archives of earlier boards, but sheeeesh, there is a lot to read...... Thanks for any feedback anyone can provide. -Benton --- In pjrv...ups.com, Barbara Baumgardner wrote: > Hi---- > I don't claim to know and this is just a guess, but I wonder if Ingo is making a reference to different 'senses' ? > sight, sound, touch, taste, smell, remote influence, and intuition. > Regards, > Barb Reply | Forward

#2317

From: Weatherly-Hawaii... Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:30 pm Subject: Re: Ingo Swann 7 layers of meaning maliolana Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Aloha Bill, What about the seven chackras?...(some say there are more) and my tarot cards speak of the seven bodies of a human... they are in ascending order... the emotional body, the astral body, the physical body which includes here the etheric body, the energy body, the mental body...the spiritual body...and the divine body... Maybe he likes the DEVA Tarot?... Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna Reply | Forward

#2325

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Sun Mar 2, 2003 12:03 am Subject: Re: Ingo Swann 7 layers of meaning docsavagebill Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi Dawna, My experience with Rob indicates that there are many many more chackras than 7 ..although 7 major ones that are frequently discussed in eastern religions/philosophy. Actually they are associated with every single joint and organ in the body.. Rob counts something like 253 of them. I'm sure I could find 50 or 60 myself. However, I don't remember bringing this up..in reference to Ingos essays. I havn't read those yet...G. Perhaps I forgot to change the topic. Best Wishes, Bill

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