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pjrv : Messages : 345-362 of 4038
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pjrv/messages/345?) 2006/06/30 21:24:34
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#345

From: "rvrichrb" Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 4:09 am Subject: High Profile Cases/'Sexy' targets rvrichrb Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Hi PJ and All, From what I've read--on several RV lists--high profile criminal investigations or 'sexy' targets are said to be easier to remote view. If this is true it would seem to make sense to include these in a beginning remote viewer's target selection pool. How 'much' easier is it to remote view these targets? And is there any information on increased 'hit ratios' to substantiate what I've read? As a note, some--or maybe a lot--of these cases are never solved, but that still would not deter the reception of information. In the case of Elizabeth Smart's disappearance for instance, the viewer would still get much verifiable information, depending on the tasking. Also, as more information became available to the public regarding the case, the target could be resubmitted to the beginner in a different way. It seems to me that if 'accessing information' in these cases IS easier than other targets, it would be a good way to get beginners to correctly access the signal line. Thanks much, Rich ---------------- Moderator's note: Hi Rich. Well, um, 1) if they were 'easier' to view, they'd probably be solved by now, wouldn't ya think? I actually suspect that the mass attention to such a target might make it even more complex for reasons of overlay, but I'm not sure about that; I'm ambivalent about the overlay issue. 2) such targets they don't have feedback, which rules them out for training, as most of learning is seeing what you got right/wrong and working out how your mind worked that out. Of course, individual trainers do whatever they want. 3) such targets can be used for practice, sure. The main issue is that in beginning viewing, you really need a _specific_ target with _specific_ feedback. That's why basic level viewing gets a lot of gestalt targets; one really needs to learn these entry-level gestalts, and the rest generally follows, but without that 'foundation' it doesn't always. Many 'popular ops' as I call them have a whole lot more complexity than it might seem, have very little 'hard' feedback, etc. Half are hardly RV, being 'locating' instead of just describing, and few people are working with an actual investigator (if you were, you wouldn't be using new students). Many times, when you hear these are easier, it is sometimes because they're being worked out of protocol in training - someone in the room knows the target, and a whole lot of physiological senses are 'adding to' (if not replacing) any psi involved, so there's often a very "kinesthetic" experience of the target, like deep contact, but that may not be entirely for psi reasons. Anyway, I'm not sure it IS true that such targets are 'easier' to view. Perhaps they are in terms of the general "nature" of the target (always assuming double blind stuff here), but there isn't enough detail on an unsolved case for good training feedback. You have the right idea though. There is quite a bit of information that's been learned about targets - and what comes through vs. doesn't for viewers - in the science labs over the years. McMoneagle's book "Remote Viewing Secrets" goes through the important info in this regards, for choosing good targets for training. You're right, that this is pretty important. -- PJ Reply | Forward

#362

From: "k9caninek9" Date: Sat Aug 3, 2002 2:02 pm Subject: Re: High Profile Cases/'Sexy' targets k9caninek9 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360 Invite to Yahoo! 360 Well there are a number of possible issues with that. First of all, if you barely know a viewer, it is dangerous to task the viewer with a horrible crime. If they get really good target contact, they could end up experiencing the thoughts of a serial rapist which could easily cause mental injury to the viewer. Second of all, a newbie viewer usually does not get high level signal line descriptors in their first sessions. FOr likely, an accurate newbie session will get stuff like, tall, skinny, hard, fabriclike, clear, alive, sunny, outdoors, boxlike, aol=building, grassy, etc. If you don't provide them with totally verifiable feedback, they will never know if those descriptors were correct because the descriptors are too vague and little is known about the Susan Smart current location and situation. In other words, a newbie viewer would not likely get something like: "I see a girl, she is scared, she is hiding, there is a man, he is sick, etc." Those are advanced viewer perceptions and before you learn to run well, you usually must first learn to walk well, and before that to crawl. Children who try to skip a step often end up breaking bones which then have to heal before any further progress can be made. -E --- In pjrv...vrichrb" From what I've read--on several RV lists--high profile criminal > investigations or 'sexy' targets are said to be easier to remote > view. If this is true it would seem to make sense to include these in > a beginning remote viewer's target selection pool.

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