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#504

Date: Mon Aug 19, ?00? 3:?4 pm Subject: Re: Fidgeting in the session a_healey56 Is it possible that all of that fidgeting and itching is triggered? When I learned to meditatate, something weird happened. The first thing I do is sit down and take in 3-5 very deep breaths, exhaling through the mouth as slow and complete as I possibly can. No kidding, from the second time I did this on to the present day I started yawning while doing my breathing. At first I thought there was something wrong with this - that it was triggered - and I tried to stop it. It wasn't until a few months later that I actually realized that whatever was triggering the yawning was actually a blessing in disguise. I'm not by any means suggesting that the itching and fidgeting is positive, only that it's a possibility that something may be triggering it. If that were to be the case, you can usually undo a trigger. Dave

#505

From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Mon Aug 19, ?00? 3:18 pm Subject: Re: Fidgeting in the session sharwebb_3051? David, Your yawning is perfectly understandable. When you meditate, you go into an altered state in which your brain waves slow to alpha, then to theta. And this is what happens every night as you go to sleep, so your body is associating the altered state with sleep...and you yawn. Sharon sharwebb...t www.fractalus.com/sharon

#508

Date: Mon Aug 19, ?00? 6:56 pm Subject: Re: Fidgeting in the session a_healey56 I understand. My point was that it happens very quickly - within the first half-minute after I sit down to start. Something has triggered it because that's not enough time to normally go from one state to another. This happens everytime, whether I'm wide awake or if I'm tired. (I hope talking about it doesn't change anything? ) Dave > Your yawning is perfectly understandable. When you meditate, you go into an altered state in which your brain waves slow to alpha, then to theta. And this is what happens every night as you go to sleep, so your body is associating the altered state with sleep...and you yawn.

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From: "k9caninek9" Date: Tue Aug ?0, ?00? ?:0? am Subject: Yawning and Fidgeting in the session k9caninek9 But why on Earth would you say that 30 seconds is not long enough to start an altered state? It totally and absolutely is plenty of time for some people. Yeah, the itching for me generally started dang fast. I was also thinking of this thread in a different way. I know that there is a kind of general assumption that yawning has to do with being sleepy. But I have just never seen that myself. When I am really tired, I don't yawn. I actually yawn more mostly when I have a unique kind of bored feeling. Or also I yawn when I 'catch it' from someone else and why on Earth yawns are contagious is a weirdness that is a whole 'nother issue. But when I am really tired or it's late at night, I do not yawn. Anyway, the yawning may well be some kind of message from the unconscious. It could be using the most convenient routes it has available to it. Since yawns seem to be somewhat controlled by some weird unconscious rules, then it may be an easy route for the unconscious, kind of like a miner using a hammer to tap on the rock around him and hoping that some yokel up above might hear it and figure it out. -E ------------------- Moderator's note: Physiologically, yawns occur when the level of oxygen in the body goes down a certain amount, I forget that detail. This generally happens when very relaxed, because the breathing becomes much shallower, hence our association with yawns and sleepiness. There may be other reasons we don't know about of course. One time years ago after a pretty metaphysical experience, I had SO much energy going through me for a couple days that I was constantly yawning and stretching. That seemed funny to me (my employees were laughing at me - it was like every 5 minutes!? ) as I'd never associated those with anything but sleep or waking up before, but that gave me the idea yawns related to the body's energy in some way. -- PJ

#509

From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Mon Aug 19, ?00? 7:01 pm Subject: Re: Fidgeting in the session sharwebb_3051? David, You say that a half-minute is not time to go from one state to another. But...you can condition yourself to go from one state to another instantly. For example, in Silva training you can go from beta to an alpha 10 cps state by just puttin three fingers together with conscious intent to go to level. Sharon sharwebb...t www.fractalus.com/sharon

#5?0

From: "Viv*" Date: Tue Aug ?0, ?00? 1:01 am Subject: Re: Fidgeting in the session eclecticviv > But...you can condition yourself to > go from one state to another instantly. Hi sharon: That's very interesting. Isn't that similar to an NLP conditioning? Would you want to explain more how this is done? Is going "level", going alpha? Viv* A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money. ~Everett Dirksen~

#515

Date: Mon Aug 19, ?00? 9:46 pm Subject: Re: Fidgeting in the session a_healey56 > You say that a half-minute is not time to > go from one state to another. But...you > can condition yourself to go from one state > to another instantly. For example, in > Silva training you can go from beta to an > alpha 10 cps state by just putting three > fingers together with conscious intent to > go to level. With Silva training - but it wouldn't NORMALLY happen that fast. It sounds like the Silva training teaches you to "set a trigger". Dave ----------------- Moderator's note: Basic self-hypnosis can create deliberate triggers (though I think they sometimes happen 'accidentally'? ). I recall McMoneagle once saying that when he was participating in hypnosis+RV research, the thing he got most out of it was an ability to reduce his cool down time from hours to about 5 minutes. Now that would be... cool. :-? ) PJ

#518

From: "k9caninek9" Date: Tue Aug ?0, ?00? 1:50 am Subject: Re: Fidgeting in the session k9caninek9 Yeah, I think something is triggering it. The remote viewing is triggering it!! LOL! Yeah, I used to get the yawning too, but not so much anymore. -E > --- In pjrv...vid Humphries" Is it possible that all of that fidgeting and > itching is triggered?

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From: Karl Boyken

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