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#3577

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Fri Dec 19, ?003 10:05 am Subject: Re: Feedback's effect on Session ozblueriver > For example the other day on the CRV list I was mentioning how often > when I type something I am affected by my 'gut instinct' on how other > people will respond, sometimes getting impressions of certain people > or specific comments from them verbally or in type, and it modifies > what I write. So if I'm following you right you are saying that while doing a session or reading, I might pick up the clue from the future that says, "Bingo. You've got it" so I choose to stick with that bit of info and add it into my session. But that still doesn't explain how I got the information prior to having it validated. I think I just said something similar in my other post. I'm just typing and thinking so forgive me if I'm being repetitive. ;? ) Liz

#3579

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Fri Dec 19, ?003 9:54 am Subject: Re: Feedback's effect on Session ozblueriver > It IS feedback to be told that you did well, or you described > 'the other ARV target' or whatever. It is a retroactive > "validation", basically. So that would not be 'giving us the > detail' but it might be supporting whatever detail we got. G'day PJ, but that doesn't explain where the details come from. A simple, "Yes you're right." is a wee bit short on detail. It does validate the information but there is no way you could derive any sort of answer from that. But the details could quite easily have come from the other persons memory. There are 3 short but interesting articles in the latest p.i.a.com magazine about this (sort of anyway? ). I've only read the one about Pat Price. But it's suggested that even though he didn't get feedback on some sessions he might have tapped into other peoples future memory. I'm sure you'll like it Glyn. :? ) http://www.p-i-a.com/Magazine/Issue?1/Issue?1.html cheers Liz ------------------------------- Hi Liz. You're right, it doesn't--but I never questioned where those details from--they come from psi, lol! But I think even 'generic' feedback can play a part in viewer sessions. I can't compare this to psychic work done in-person, as you mention. There is way too much interpersonal communication going on below the conscious level, that is NOT actually psi, for me to compare psychic work with remote viewing. (Doesn't mean it's not useful, or that one doesn't have to be 'attuned' to pick it up. But plenty of people can cold read brilliantly who can't RV their way out of a wet paper bag, as the high school joke goes, which to me pretty well demonstrates the effect of protocol.? ) Sometimes I think 'generic positive feedback' may simply strengthen the session. By that I mean, the viewer by psi feels they're accurate and hence doing ok, and may be more comfortable in the session as a result. Or not! Unfortunately nothing in psi, even the things we DO know about from lab testing, can be written in stone, since inconsistency seems to be the name of the game... PJ

#3593

From: "Glyn" Date: Sun Dec ?1, ?003 10:51 am Subject: RE: Feedback's effect on Session glynis5799 Hi Liz :-? ), Maybe it goes something like this.. I'm using 'me' as an example here, but it would apply to all of us.. ...My life-'time' is linear and limited by my short-lived physical body. Duration is measured from past to future in my conscious awareness. Cause always precedes effect in our experience.. because if not then living a day to day existence in this physical world would be impossible. However, what if there is more to reality than just this existence of ours? What if there are multiple 'me(s? )' in multiple 'universes' or 'timelines' or whatever people choose to call them..and like this version of me typing this email to you, each other 'me' is experiencing its own linear life-'time', and totally unaware of the other 'me(s? )', on a conscious level anyway. Each 'me' may differ from the others to a greater or lesser extent, some by only a fraction.but maybe they would all be linked at a subconscious level, and the more adjacent and similar to our reality then the stronger the link. Perhaps we could obtain information from the minds/memories of these other 'selves '..versions of ourselves who have already experienced the event we want information about. If so, then this may mean that 'I' (all of us...or maybe there is only *one*? ), stretch out in all 'directions' into infinity, stacked and multi-stacked; parallel as well as serial (Dunne's theory was that time is serial? ). Adjacent and overlapping dimensions/universes. Similar to what the quantum scientists now suggest. Maybe some of the other 'we(s? )' further away probability-wise would not even be human...but there lies another discussion entirely ;-? ).

#3584

From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Fri Dec 19, ?003 3:33 pm Subject: Re: Feedback's effect on Session maliolana Aloha, My gut feeling is that feedback is absolutely necessary to figure out how/ if we are progressing and whether or not we are on target at all... Perhaps not necessary for old timers/ops...but for most of us...It is not only very important...its perhaps vital...otherwise we are back to simply magic and someone else makes the rules...and we simply believe...and view robotically...for what?...Or so it seems... How can one do analysis/self evsluation...with out feedback? 'Clarity' of intention is everything...Intention is simply not enough... Or are yall talking about something else? Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna "Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow." -Aesop, Fables, trans. Jacobs

#3611

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Wed Dec ?4, ?003 5:?1 am Subject: Re: Feedback's effect on Session ozblueriver >>> Each 'me' may differ from the others to a greater or lesser extent, some by only a fraction.but maybe they would all be linked at a subconscious level, and the more adjacent and similar to our reality then the stronger the link. Perhaps we could obtain information from the minds/memories of these other 'selves '..versions of ourselves who have already experienced the event we want information about.>>> Hi Dawna, I can't help myself. I have to add that maybe in this scenario one of my 'other selves' who was in a slightly different experiment with you *did* get the feeback.....by what ever means.......and because I'm linked to 'her' I picked up the information too. Or.... What if we are all linked just like the muliple selves and I just read your mind. Or... Hey I forget what we were orininally talking about. LOL Cheers Liz

#3616

From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Wed Dec ?4, ?003 ?:15 pm Subject: Re: Feedback's effect on Session maliolana Aloha Elizabeth, > my 'other selves' who was in a slightly different experiment with > you *did* get the feeback... > Or... > Hey I forget what we were orininally talking about. LOL hahah...I know what you mean...hahah...I think...Oh yeah...and maybe Pat Price had other 'selves' that did not die...perhaps he just died comparatively young...compared to the "others"...and he got the info from them...ummm...and then there is always Nostradamus... Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna "I awoke on Friday and because the universe is expanding it took me longer than usual to find my robe." -Woody Allen, in "Strung Out," the New Yorker, July ?8, ?003

#36?4

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Thu Dec ?5, ?003 1?:4? am Subject: Re: Feedback's effect on Session ozblueriver LOL Hi Glyn, there are so many theories and possibilities. It would be bliss to a philosopher I'm sure. And yet I still believe it's simple. Most things in nature are. I think because we experience time we are in the habit of thinking 'A' MUST precede 'B'. There must be cause 'then' effect. But that is just what life looks like from the outside in the third dimension which is space/time. The inner dimension/s don't have the same rules. 'B' doesn't have to come after 'A'. 'B' can come before 'A', after 'Q', at the exact same time as 'H', or never. The inner dimention/s seems to be an inbetween zone. A zone between no-time and time. Time still exists in that dimention because sentences and movement are still linear to a certain degree, but time becomes very maleable. The end of a story or travel experience can precede the begining. Any part in between can even be missing with seeminly no effect on the final outcome. 'B' no longer has to follow 'A'. Therefore it is possible to RV what happens next week before next week happens. ( I M humble O? ) Happy Chrismas cheers Liz

#36?7

From: "Linda & John Garvey" Date: Sun Dec ?8, ?003 3:?3 pm Subject: Re: Feedback's effect on Session linda_g7us Hi All -- For me, any psi activities seem to be holistic somehow, rather than linear, and any attempted linear thinking about it I try, seems get in the way -- though reading about psi activities (such as all the marvelous posts about Glyn's experiments? ) almost always enhances my abilities, finetuning them. So go figure that out; I sure can't LOL. ;? ) I still love Einstein's quote: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society where we honor the servant and forget about the gift." Fortunately, that's not the case on most of the psi lists I'm on, and certainly not on this list, so that's good! Linda G (who obviously has trouble putting thoughts about this kind of thing into words, and so doesn't post very much. ;? ) "The distinction between past, present and future is only an illusion, even if a stubborn one." -- Albert Einstein --

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