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#348

From: Juha Koskelainen Date: Sat Aug 3, ?00? 4:?7 am Subject: Displacement of a different kind? velhox Hello all, With all the talk on displacement on this list and elsewhere, I couldn't help going back in my mind to the days when I actually did some remote viewing, and bumped into a data anomaly which may have some relation to displacement. In a few of my sessions, I had a more or less complex visual item which, after receiving feedback, seemed -- or rather, was -- totally out of place. And then, after a day or maybe a week, I would see such a "thing" somewhere, for example an object behind a display window, or a scene in a movie. Of course it's quite possible that this phenomenon is but a trick of the mind, since just about any RV sight could be matched with something out there given enough time. Yet if that indeed is the case, then wouldn't one expect it to happen more frequently? Also, as a remote viewer one learns to pay attention to the "feel" of certain events/situations, and I definitely "got" a distinct feeling on these occurances. However there is a point that favours the hypothesis of this being a random occurance: no connection of any kind (symbolism included? ) seem to exist between the actual target and the apparent source of out of place data. In other words, it's just noise, even if it feels special.. I also think it's somewhat amusing to consider that the subconscious mind would pick "future" symbols/associations to communicate with, instead of using whatever exists in my current mental inventory. Does anyone know if there is name for this phenomenon? And what are your thoughts/experiences on the matter? - Lucid

#353

From: "tropicanacabana69" Date: Sat Aug 3, ?00? 11:46 am Subject: Re: Displacement of a different kind? tropicanacab... --- In pjrv...a Koskelainen In a few of my sessions, I had a more or less complex visual > item which, after receiving feedback, seemed -- or rather, was -- totally > out of place. And then, after a day or maybe a week, I would see such a > "thing" somewhere, for example an object behind a display window, or a > scene in a movie. I would like to respond to this: I have had this happen quite often lately in my experience. I have not been on these lists very long to confirm what I had experienced until I saw this in your letter. The same exact thing has happened to me just this week. I find it odd and humorous and a bit interesting in the since that I don't quite understand why the mind picks up on something as simple as a scene in a movie or TV program....in an RV "state" as a "image stream"- transfers the "scene" from the movie or "object" or the meeting of a person etc. Then later in the day you see the "scene" or "object" or person and remember it as a Pre-cognition of what you viewed in RV. (I truly hope this is understandable.....LOL...otherwise I might think I am a little "whacked"....standing here ..thumping my head with my finger...LOL? ) I guess this phenomenon is a trick as you say or an abberation of some kind...but seems to me to be a "pre-cognative" response of somekind because while "image streaming" in meditation etc. The mind precognatively places the object or scene from the movie or program in the mind and when you actually see it there is the .....ah...ha! there is what I saw feeling. Perhaps this is just imagineering "once removed"? I don't know but I would like to know if others have experienced this? > However there is a point that favours the hypothesis of this being a random > occurance: no connection of any kind (symbolism included? ) seem to exist > between the actual target and the apparent source of out of place data. In > other words, it's just noise, even if it feels special.. I do not see it as a random occurance. Because it happens to me quite often. I believe more is involved than we understand. Maybe some enlightened trainers would have some answers? Is it just noise? Or, is the mind seeking a target and latching on to some other signal stream that is also quite real and present and future oriented? Thanks for helping me to connect with something I felt was only within myself. I feel better now!! LOL! (thump...thump? )-Head feels like a mellon in a grocery store!

#357

Date: Sat Aug 3, ?00? 1?:47 pm Subject: Signs (RV or Shamanic, not movies :-? )? ) dennanm --- In pjrv...a Koskelainen With all the talk on displacement on this > list and elsewhere, I couldn't > help going back in my mind to the days when > I actually did some remote > viewing, That cracked me up. :-? ) How many people 'into' remote viewing do it constantly, regularly? I sometimes really wonder... > In a few of my sessions, I had a more or > less complex visual item which, after > receiving feedback, seemed -- or rather, was -- > totally out of place. And then, after a day or > maybe a week, I would see such a "thing" > somewhere, for example an object behind a display > window, or a scene in a movie. I have seen this happen with viewers, and I have done it myself, but not with the 'delay' you mention. Usually when it happens, the 'thing perceived' that has no place in the session is in the viewer's environment within the day, often fairly soon after the session. For example, I once did a session with pretty lousy and confusing results, and right after, my little girl wanted me to look through something with her. So I looked through these pictures, seeing nearly every element from my session except one, and some quite distinct mind you. Rolling my eyes at apparently doing that too close to feedback (and not focusing enough in session? ), I went into the living room to watch a Disney movie she wanted to see, and literally AS I sat down, the one super-clear moving-visual I'd had in the session played out before my eyes (a man climbing down the short ladder on the side top-deck of a white boat? ). Oy! It was like deja- vu all over again. And of course the ego wants to go into, "Why? Is this important?" but it didn't seem so. > Of course it's quite possible that this > phenomenon is but a trick of the > mind, since just about any RV sight > could be matched with something out > there given enough time. Possible, but I don't think so. I once had a target in training that another fellow got in a different room. Our sessions were quite different (which I found interesting? ). His session focused a lot on the people and excitement aspects, and he was utterly certain that it was an auto race (Indy-type? ). Actually all his data was accurate except his conclusion. Anyway but right after, we all went into town, and we ended watching an IMAX film which turned out to be about, of all things, Indy car racing! You could call it coincidence, but to me and him and everybody else, it seemed like it was NOT just coincidence... > Yet if that indeed is the case, then wouldn't one > expect it to happen more frequently? I don't know. If you visualize for a moment, consciousness as being say, 1001 'long strings' that go through you, and you are focusing on the target, maybe some subtle elements of "focus" let some of those strings go... elsewhere. You know on a related topic, quite some time ago, I had this odd experience, where three of my then-7-cats (good grief! -- I only have two now :-? )? ) dragged this HUGE dead crow in through a cat door so small the toms could barely get through, don't ask me how. (Tons of crows in Jan-Feb here.? ) My daughter got up for the bathroom in the middle of the night, and lets out this shriek at finding this giant dead black bird in the hallway. I ran out there, and I looked at it, and I had this.... this FEELING... that this was "a sign." And that it was the first of three. This was kind of strange, as I've never had any feeling like that before. I actually just stood there, thinking... what is it, in my mind, that 'assigns' this a 'sign'-level meaning -- some shamanic guidepost -- is it just my mind? Some unknown superstition sparked by finding a native american messenger bird whom *I also* tend to consider as such, dead in my house? Where is the "supra-real" element that makes it more than just another dead critter in the house from too many cats? Well, we put it in a box with a pretty scarf and said a prayer over it (she's 5 :-? )? ) and when she was asleep again I went out and put it in the trash barrel that would get dumped the next day. I love crows. Well, about a week later I had totally forgotten all about this. It was just a 'weird sense' you know, and frankly once I had slept, it seemed sort of surreal and probably imaginative, so no big deal. But my aunt and I were talking one day... I had this tiger-striped grey cat. And she says, "I had this really weird dream last night. I dreamed that there were two cats, and one was just like your cat there, except blood red instead of grey. And it ATE the other cat, and there was this red striped tabby cat with the tip of the tail of another cat sticking out of its mouth!" I looked at her oddly, because I had the PROFOUND feeling, while she said that, "This is the second sign of the three." What a dream for symbolism, anyway! - she is psi naturally, but I live in nowhere OK where people either don't believe in psi or think it's the work of the devil, sigh, so she's oblivious to such - anyway, I had never even heard of "something someone ELSE is telling you," or someone ELSE's dream, being 'a sign', so that was even weirder than the first time. But... but I don't recall having ever seen the third sign. I don't know if maybe I got oblivious and psychically dead (I was massively 'aware' for years, then massively 'unaware' for years, and seem to be 'fluctuating' as I open again? ) and so missed it? Or is there any such thing as a shamanic "sign" without the individual who perceives? And is there some kind of 'time limit' on signs? I mean, if I'm expecting three as that was part of the 'knowing' for the realization of the first two, and I get the first two within a couple weeks of each other, well it's now been about 15 months since then... wouldn't ya think that third sign would definitely have happened already? Or if this is about 'probabilities', did I shift out of the timeline where the third sign would have happened? Or maybe I was just hallucinating both times. But no, I don't think I should invalidate myself that way. I may or may not have been accurate, but the "sense" of it was quite profound and real. But it left me with a lot of questions about, when we have something 'anomalous' in our perception, is it 'the thing', or is the thing merely used to 'spark' us, or is it just us all along? > However there is a point that favours the > hypothesis of this being a random > occurance: no connection of any kind > (symbolism included? ) seem to exist > between the actual target and the apparent > source of out of place data. Ah, but, there is a profound connection between the person doing the session and the person doing the reception of the later data. :-? ) > In other words, it's just noise, even if it feels special. Sigh. Boy that's a welcome to RV line. I love it when people on the internet say they can always tell what is 'on target' vs. 'off target' while in a session. The best viewers in the world often don't know. I mean sure we all get 'target contact' to varying degrees, so some sessions or data points give us more faith than others, but in general, what I personally find most frustrating about RV is that sometimes I get wrong data (or frankly, an entirely wrong target, sheesh!? ) and I _cannot tell the difference in session_. It just hacks me off. ;-? ) > I also think it's somewhat amusing to consider > that the subconscious mind would pick "future" > symbols/associations to communicate with, > instead of using whatever exists > in my current mental inventory. Hmmmn. Well maybe it's more fun for your subconscious. :-? ) Seriously. Or maybe it allows your SC to bring the symbol to you at a moment you are receptive to it. And maybe the 'out of the blue' encounter with the symbol from your session 'sparks' the insight -- often, it is when we are most uninvolved in trying to perceive anything, and something appears suddenly in our world or our minds- eye, that we respond the most. Just thoughts. PJ

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