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pjrv : Messages : ?830-?830 of 4038 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pjrv/messages/?830?? ) ?006/07/01 00:18:1?
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#?830 From: Timelord?0?9... Date: Mon Mar ?4, ?003 8:06 am Subject: Re: CRV/retasking/RI Denials psitrooper?4 > PJ wrote: > This topic involves a degree of RI. Hence I assume everybody > 'official' is going to say it's BS. People will have to > do their own inquiry if they really want an answer. Problem is you still get labled as being a conspiracy theorists,Guru worshiper :-? ), spreader of disinformation, ill informed, crazy or worse because your ideas about a specific RV releated issue is not "officially sanctioned" :? ) students look up to these Rv pioneers to at least be honest and sincere in the replies (not saying the havent been? ) especially now it seems the mill Veiwers had been developing their own style or were not aware of what each other was doing in their specific RV milltary programs . End result is confusion under the same "official" protocol.(CRV? ) How can one mill remote veiwers claim CRI exists yet another claim its "bogus" or doesent feel it exists yet BOTH worked on the same RV program trained under the same trainer, selling the same brand of CRV ??? At least with HRVG you know what your getting into same goes for Prus KRV or any other 4th generation RV protocol But its getting to the point of being silly with some trainers not agreeing with one another even though they claim to be using the same CRV protocols. Iam i the only one who finds this a wee bit confusing? For me Just finsihed reading Lyns book by the way "great" read and a chance for me to utilize some CRV tips outlined by Lyn together with my KRV and RI training. He has left me scatchingh my head on a number of issues though :? )? ) Peace, Tunde pjrv : Messages : ?831-?831 of 4038
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pjrv/messages/?831?? ) ?006/07/01 00:18:?4
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#?831 From: "pjgaenir" Date: Mon Mar ?4, ?003 8:4? am Subject: Re: CRV/retasking/RI Denials pjgaenir Well Tunde, It leaves us with the following basic options. Either: (1? ) Not all people worked on the same things while in the unit. Or, (? ) Someone has reinvented their history (ie is basically lying, although the best don't know they are, as by the time they're telling others, they actually believe it themselves :-? )? ). The public, which tends to assume the government is guilty of everything under the sun, nearly always defaults to believing whomever sides with them 'against' the government or 'in favor' of dark and/or forbidden things. An unfortunate tendency for any fair or well balanced result, even if it is accurate. Now, I am not sure why you think it's odd that more than one person could teach the same methodology like CRV and not be in agreement about what was done historically. I mean, none of these guys are in agreement about what was done historically about anything, so I don't see why methods should be any different! :-? ) The methods, Swann's I mean, are documented in the CRV manual and are data collection methods. How to warp the brain of your neighbor is not to my knowledge part of Swann's CRV. If someone chose to / was asked to attempt to "psychically influence" someone else during their term in the unit, that (a? ) doesn't really prove it worked even if they did, (b? ) doesn't mean the methods have anything to do with that, and (c? ) doesn't mean that anybody else in the unit was even involved. Most alleged RI techniques are just re-dressed, re-wrapped old metaphysical constants, known to just about anybody who's done the slightest bit of reading. The public's ooh-aah quotient is so easy to invoke it makes my eyes roll up in my head. I've often been in business situations where one or two people were asked to do something that others they worked with weren't. Sometimes this is because they are more trustworthy; sometimes it is instead because they are more interested hence willing; sometimes it is because they are more spineless and/or otherwise unable to argue the request. It all really depends on the situation. I haven't any idea what went on there in that regard. What I do know is that a lot of today's fascinating history of yesterday started with about nothing, grew a little, grew a little, and seven years later is finally up to an eye-poppingly evolved campfire story. Whether things came out gradually, and everybody's getting more brave, and this explains that gradual evolution, or whether instead all people mentally tend to revise their history more elegantly and interestingly as time goes on, I am not sure. But as I know the latter to be a trait species-wide, I tend to suspect there is at least a little of that at work. Mario Truzzi -- rest in peace Mario, we'll miss you -- told me that much of why he disputed RV wasn't just science based reasons but social logic: he did not believe the government would have released these guys for training if it was effective. In his opinion, if what they were doing were real and made anybody legitimately dangerous, it wouldn't have been allowed. That there has been massive "public outreach", from the media of Dames to the training schedule of many, made him believe either it was mostly ineffective (harmless? ) to begin with, or that whatever was being pursued by all the intelligence men in their public work was some big distraction from whatever the real thing going on was. A rock&roll scandal (where alleged "rebellion against the mainstream authority" is actually packaged and marketed -- a uniform and mental model all its own, which nicely catches in your net most the folks who wouldn't have bought the party line? ). He never struck me as paranoid. To him that was just a logical reasoning, given what he knew about intell. I guess we'll never know. PJ

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