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#175

From: "scottrver" Date: Fri Jul 19, ?00? 10:31 pm Subject: ARV without feedback scottrver Does anybody do ARV without feedback? Do you feel it is valid? Does ARV displacement prove that ARV without feedback can work? Scott ---------------------- Moderator's Note: Any RV without feedback 'can' work. In ARV normally one targets the actual feedback (not 'the target' unless you consider 'the target' the feedback point? ) so you'd need to change the tasking protocol if you were to do ARV w/o feedback. -- PJ

#191

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Sun Jul ?1, ?00? 3:?? pm Subject: Re: ARV without feedback docsavagebill Hi Scott, Good Question. I wondered myself. The closest I've heard was that Greg K does a form of ARV without feedback. He just tasks a question but instead of ARV with choosing a picture that matches yes or no.. he looks for a metaphorical answer directly in his viewing. For instance if the question was about the stock market.. a bird flying would mean up and a plane crash down. I don't know his currect status with this interesting methodology. Perhaps Steven T does? Also he preobably gets indirect feedback ..since he knows if he is correct or not. However, dowsers have long done Yes/no questions without direct feedback. They often get indirect feedback.. And if would be hard to not get indirect feedback of some sort. Please let me know if you do it and succeed. Best Regards, Bill --- scottrver wrote: > Does anybody do ARV without feedback? Do you feel > it is valid? > Does ARV displacement prove that ARV without > feedback can work?

#193

Date: Sun Jul ?1, ?00? 5:45 pm Subject: Re: ARV without feedback dennanm --- In pjrv...l Pendragon He just tasks a question but instead of ARV > with choosing a picture that matches yes or no.. he > looks for a metaphorical answer directly in his > viewing. For instance if the question was about the > stock market.. a bird flying would mean up and a plane > crash down. Interesting. Kind of ties into May's Decision Augmentation Theory. Essentially this suggests that when any kind of subjective decision has to be made about what target best matches a session, one can't overlook the psi functioning of the person doing the subjective decision making. In applications this might mean that analysis skills are partly psi and partly intuition and partly factual (graphoanalysis is a tiny bit this way in practice? ). In research this means it may be difficult to say, if subjective judging is done, that an effect size is entirely the viewers, or the result almost as much of the judge as the viewer. A lot of tarot, tea leaves, and other "forms of divination" comes down to -- despite much factual data (e.g., the meanings of a certain card? ) -- an intuitive interpretation of what turns up, and how important a given thing is, etc. I think a person truly intuitive could look for answers in a pot of boiling beans and the mind would find patterns that they could interpret to get the information their mind was attempting to provide them. I don't suppose this would be any different in RV, although such a creative approach as you describe would be pretty hard to nail down for 'where' something is going right or wrong - in the session on no target? in the interpretation of something? in the lack of interpretation on something missed? - still, I like the idea of using such a creative approach to something. It's nice to see creative effort anywhere in the field. I think that's cool. Maybe you could get this guy to write up something on this for a ref. PJ

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