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#?66 From: "Mary Ashley" Date: Mon Jul ?9, ?00? 1?:41 pm Subject: Re: Re: ARV: good or crappy experiences? maryladyoflight Hi Scott, > Two questions: Was your missing displacement, where you hit the wrong > target as opposed to a total miss? And, how were you doing your > targeting and judging? It was about as far off base as it is possible to get. I have done thousands of ARV.. and have experienced displacements. Nope.. nothing even came close to the targets. I was doing my regular sessions on the PIA board. This set were done Thurs for Fri, feedback on Tues, as far as I can recall. Mary Ashley :? )? ) pjrv : Messages : ?37-?75 of 4038
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#?37 From: "largeruniverse" Date: Sat Jul ?7, ?00? 6:31 pm Subject: ARV: good or crappy experiences? largeruniverse Hi men and women of the RV Oasis: Ya know, ARV just gets to me. I won't do it, and some of you have heard my diatribe why. (Do I need to repeat my reasons here? I will if ya'll want. For the record, I've done extensive testing with it and have dropped it for good.? ) But I am always keeping an open mind about things, and I want to know, and please explain by describing any ongoing experience, do you feel ARV is good, indifferent or fundamentally evil? This is a serious question, and I am truly asking only those who have been doing ARV for some period of time. Pru ----------------------- Moderator's Note: "Crappy?!" That's the technical term, right. ;-? ) PJ #?40 Date: Sat Jul ?7, ?00? 9:49 pm Subject: Re: ARV: good or crappy experiences? dennanm Well Pru I find it ironic that the person with the least trouble doing precog viewing and tasking via your "wildcard" system would be the person most frustrated with ARV! Yeah, you better put out the diatribe because I haven't heard it, so don't know where you're coming from. -- PJ --- In pjrv...rgeruniverse" Ya know, ARV just gets to me. I won't do it, and some of you have > heard my diatribe why. (Do I need to repeat my reasons here? I > will if ya'll want. For the record, I've done extensive testing > with it and have dropped it for good.? ) #?41 From: "scottrver" Date: Sat Jul ?7, ?00? 10:33 pm Subject: ARV: good or crappy experiences? scottrver For me the jury is still out on ARV. Thus far I've had good success with it - multiple viewers, multiple target pools - but not enough trials yet under various scenarios. I think reliable ARV, especially without feedback, would arguably be the most practical application of RV. I feel much more research needs to be done in ARV. Scott #?43 From: "k9caninek9" Date: Sat Jul ?7, ?00? 10:43 pm Subject: Re: ARV: good or crappy experiences? k9caninek9 I have to admit that so far, I have found ARV to be reminiscent of repeatedly banging my head against a sharp object. Perhaps part of the reason I continue with it at all is because it kills me that I can't figure out why it won't work as easily as it seems to me that it should. Sure you can get runs of really good stats, but then there are those runs of equally crappy (to be technically specific for PJ's sake? ) stats. What up with that? -E --- In pjrv...rgeruniverse" But I am always keeping an open mind about things, and I want > to know, and please explain by describing any ongoing > experience, do you feel ARV is good, indifferent or fundamentally > evil? > ----------------------- > Moderator's Note: "Crappy?!" That's the technical term, right. #?73 From: Bill Pendragon Date: Mon Jul ?9, ?00? 6:11 pm Subject: Re: ARV: good or crappy experiences? docsavagebill Ha Ha, Pru I know exactly what you are thinking. Because ARV will lead one on with success after success and then crush your hopes with apparently deliberate mis after mis. With a string of misses. I think it is an amoral mirror of our deeper bliefs about it. It's much like a ouija board and if you think the devil is running it ( or even your ex spouse? ) you will be CLOBBERED by it. It is the only form of RV that requires a kind of religious BLIND FAITH to work. Best Wishes, Bill #?75 From: "Jason S. Shapiro" Date: Mon Jul ?9, ?00? 8:11 pm Subject: Session - 07080? fetik3 I just finished posting a recent session of mine (from July 5, ?00? ): http://www.fetik3.com/pjrv/07080?/ The date of the directory (07080? ) is the date I had received the feedback. Of particular interest to me was the AOL matching with the caption from the feedback photo. I apologize in advance for my illustrations and handwriting :? ) - Jason pjrv : Messages : ?57-3?3 of 4038
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#?57 From: joan003....net Date: Sun Jul ?8, ?00? 9:31 pm Subject: RE: ARV: good or crappy experiences? joanie003 I've had good and ill experiences with ARV, but didn't keep records when I first did it so have no "objective" viewpoint on it. I did far better than chance on Marty's ARV list on ?5 targets, but still got VERY VERY frustrated by the displacement issue as I was often "right on" in my session with the wrong target :-? )? ) My team at the P.S.I. conference in FL won the Dynamite and Gold exercise (so ARV proved a success for us there.? ) I'll share one of my first times out with it. This was the rough duty tasking we did. We had three targets corresponding to 3 winning exact order lotto numbers. For each target, I had one session each to judge against 10 possible photos, which I self-judged as well. We're talking 30 photos that required evaluation. Well......I HIT....right on.....and my sessions were right on as well. One of the photos was a picture of these very distinguised looking weasils and I recall asking in my session...What are those funny looking dogs called? :-? ) We stopped doing it that way because it was WAY too many photos to evaluate. I thought it was interesting as I as also the "odd man" out being I didn't share consensus on numbers with any of the others. Also, my tasker apparently had this pre-conceived notion of me that I was a less than capable viewer, thus never wagered on my results. Which was too bad as we could have won some money. In any case, I soon dumped that tasker and went on to work with others with ARV. I focus now more on straight viewing as that what's I'm trying to improve upon...but always in the back of my mind I'm curious about ARV. I think there's a lot more to it and in it contains the mysteries of how things manifest in concert with creation (a kind of natural "magic"? ) and it's SURE NOT IN THE VIEWER'S CONTROL, which is a power-trip delusion that I think many ARVers are encumbered by. In the Spirit, Joanie #?61 From: keb Date: Mon Jul ?9, ?00? 4:01 am Subject: Re: ARV: good or crappy experiences? mesundo largeruniverse wrote: > Ya know, ARV just gets to me. I won't do it, and some of you have > heard my diatribe why. (Do I need to repeat my reasons here? I > will if ya'll want. For the record, I've done extensive testing with > it and have dropped it for good.? ) Hi Pru, I would like to hear why you feel the way you do about ARV. > do you feel ARV is good, indifferent or fundamentally evil? Pru, do you feel that it is evil using ARV for profit from betting on sports,lotto,ect? I feel all psi comes from the same area of the mind and I can't see where one method would be evil and another not. I don't believe there is any moral issue involved in the use of psi and making money or winning money. I believe that it is up to the unconscious if "IT "wants you to profit from psi. That just my opinion at the present. :-? ) Regards, Ken #?64 From: "Mary Ashley" Date: Mon Jul ?9, ?00? 7:?0 am Subject: Re: ARV: good or crappy experiences? maryladyoflight Hi Pru and all, I have had great success with ARV... getting to nail things on a regular basis... I did groups of 10. Usually 7 or 8 would be specific enough. Then, suddenly, I did a set of 10, where every single target was wrong. What really got to me was that I didn't know the session was wrong at the time I did it. Everything seemed totally normal. However, the moment I went to check my feedback days later, even before I looked, I *knew* every one was wrong. And they were. It became apparent that my sub had deliberately set me up to fail. I was really gutted. I felt deceived by and out of control of my own thought processes. If I cannot trust my own mind, not to play mind-games and if I cannot distinguish between my own truth and lies, what's the point. I haven't even attempted any RV since. I used to love it and even teach it, as many of you know, however, now, everytime I sit down to start, I just get up again and walk away again. :-/ Mary Ashley. ---------------------- Moderator's Note: Mary, this is a very common human response to successful psi. Tons (and I mean tons? ) of people in research over the years have had exactly this experience. I get it myself. In fact I was just talking about that in an upcoming article for HRVG's newsletter. You just gotta keep working through it, to force changes in your own core constructs (belief systems? ). I know... it is the most frustrating, insulting, embarrassing thing though... -- PJ #?65 From: "scottrver" Date: Mon Jul ?9, ?00? 11:13 am Subject: Re: ARV: good or crappy experiences? scottrver Hi Mary, Two questions: Was your missing displacement, where you hit the wrong target as opposed to a total miss? And, how were you doing your targeting and judging? Scott --- In pjrv...ry Ashley" suddenly, I did a set of 10, where every single target was wrong. ------------------- Moderator's Note: Of course in traditional RV, she wouldn't know if it was displacement, since feedback is only given on the actual target, not the decoys... -- PJ #?80 From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue Jul 30, ?00? 11:17 am Subject: Re: ARV: good or crappy experiences? docsavagebill Hi Mary, ARV does that for reasons that I don't fully understand.. but here is the solution. You got to GET RIGHT UP DUST YOURSELF OFF AND START ALL OVER AGAIN! Hey its part of ARV. I love PRU's question: Is ARV Evil..Iknow the feeling! LOL, bill --- Mary Ashley wrote: > It became apparent that my sub had deliberately set > me up to fail. I was > really gutted. I felt deceived by and out of control > of my own thought > processes. If I cannot trust my own mind, not to > play mind-games and if I > cannot distinguish between my own truth and lies, > what's the point. I > haven't even attempted any RV since. I used to love > it and even teach it, > as many of you know, however, now, everytime I sit > down to start, I just > get up again and walk away again. #?70 Date: Mon Jul ?9, ?00? 1:13 pm Subject: Re: ARV: good or crappy experiences? rfjuice?000 Hi Mary, That's happened to me too. Sometimes I wonder if it's not some type of ego check, to keep me in line. I do my own style, but in ARV I've seen exactly the wrong choice, which I've heard has happened to quite a few others. But the way I look at it, it's a win anyway. Even though it isn't the correct picture, seeing the other one is still pretty amazing in my book. It seems like the cycle I get is that when I have a string of incorrect viewings, just when I'm pretty down about it, then I get a really great session that brings my confidence back. Then things improve again. Linda #?79 From: "k9caninek9" Date: Tue Jul 30, ?00? 1?:58 am Subject: Re: ARV: good or crappy experiences? k9caninek9 > --- In pjrv...uice...e: >That's happened to me too. Sometimes I wonder if > it's not some type of > ego check, to keep me in line. I do my own style, > but in ARV I've seen > exactly the wrong choice, which I've heard has > happened to quite a few > others. But the way I look at it, it's a win anyway. > Even though it isn't > the correct picture, seeing the other one is still > pretty amazing in my book. Except for that one theory that you should not reward yourself for an incorrect viewing. But also, there is that theory that you should not fixate on bad viewing either. So I think that means the safest thing is if you get your ARV wrong, then have absolutely no thoughts whatsover about it. So pay attention now: DO NOT THINK ABOUT YOUR BAD SESSIONS! THere. Did that help any? ;-P -E -------------- Moderator's note: No, damn it. I'm still depressed. LOL! -- PJ #?81 From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue Jul 30, ?00? 1?:50 pm Subject: Re: ARV: good or crappy experiences? docsavagebill Hi Linda, High negative scores ( 10 misses in a row is a 1:1000 shot!!!? ) are signs that you are exceptionally psychic.. ARE PICKING UP THE FUTURE, ..but your sub is playing games with you and giving you the opposite. Now I don't know if it is the work of evil demons..or just subconcious misunderstanding..or karma ..or alternate futures ..or what it is. But very strong negative signals are really positive signs. That YOU REALLY DO KNOW THE FUTURE. Now why does this happen??? NO ONE KNOWS! OR if they do they aren't talking. I ask the same question on every website with very little return. Mostly denial. But I know this if you can convince yourself that you are indeed zoned in ( and you are with negative scores likt that? ) .. you r misses will turn to hits! When doing ARV the following rules about your feedback may prove useful: YOU GOT TO: 1? ) EMPHASIZE the POSITIVE! ? ) ELLIMINATE the negative! 3? ) LATCH ON TOTHE AFFIRMATIVE! 4? ) and NEVER mess with Mr INBETWEEN!..NEVER!!!!. You are always right... its the future that is wrong! Best Wishes, Bill

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From: "Mary Ashley" Date: Thu Aug 1, ?00? 8:0? am Subject: Re: ARV: good or crappy experiences? maryladyoflight Hi Linda, > That's happened to me too. Sometimes I wonder if it's > not some type of ego check, to keep me in line. Yes.. I think that is what pissed me off. My ego did this.. and I am not my ego. And my ego has no %^&*&^% right to attempt to keep me in check!!!! Its a servant of my life, not master. I choose not to play stupid mind games with manipulative petty tyrants, either external or internal. Be.. well. Mary Ashley --------------------- Moderator's Note: Now ya see, part of the whole 'psyche development' focus I've got is that I want to restructure and work with my internal belief constructs so that such things as "self-sabotage" won't be such an issue.... PJ

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