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#856

From: "Glyn" Date: Sat Oct 19, ?00? 10:13 am Subject: Re: ARV - David Copperfield gebega Hi Jason, I guess we'll never really know if he's good at that sort of thing. From a personal point of view I know that if I was able to RV the lottery results accurately there is no way I would ever let on a big win was anything other than luck.....to anybody...because that would be really asking for it wouldn't it? If people got to believe it you'd never get any peace. People would be pestering you non-stop to win for *them*, tracking you down, and maybe even getting nasty if you refused. David Copperfield said in the article he'd received lots of mail begging for the numbers from really desperate people, even though 99 percent of the population would be nodding and winking because he's a stage magician. Whatever, he's a winner either way of course. LOL! Regards, Glyn

#861

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Mon Oct ?1, ?00? 10:03 am Subject: Re: RV clearing docsavagebill Hi Glyn, I'm quite certain that my beliefs about the predictability of the future radically influenced the ARV results initially. I don't know if "beliefs" is such a problem with regular RV.. at least to this extent. I note that dowsers have very elaborate methods for clearing "negative influences" from their signal line. Some seem quaint or even superstitious.. but I suspect some sort of clearing protocols might help with RV also. For instance dowsers will demand that the peudulum is responsive only to the "highest truth" and not from subconcious images or self doubt or "spirits" etc ..and let the pendulum signal when that is accomplished. Best Regards, Bill

#86?

Date: Mon Oct ?1, ?00? 11:43 am Subject: Re: RV clearing nitahickok Hello Bill I always try to clear and ground myself before I do any RV or any other psychic work. You can clear yourself by a simple heartfelt prayer of your own choice. I also like meditation but that is more time consuming. You ground yourself by circulating the energy in your body clockwise. You add to long extensions to the bottom of your energy system for your feet. You take the energy circulate it through the earth and then turn it a light brown when it circulates through the other energy extension back into the body. You circulate the energy as often as you feel that you need to until it is regular and looks clean. You then draw back the energy extensions and let your energy system return to its normal colors. It is then that you should view. It makes everything clear and removes some of the symbolic or allegorical interpretations because you are better grounded. It will also get rid of energy irregularities. Nita Whenever you hear that someone else has been successful, rejoice. Always practice rejoicing for others-whether they are your friend or enemy. If you cannot practice rejoicing, no matter how long you live, you will not be happy. Lama Zopa Rinpoche, "Transforming Problems into Happiness".

#867

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Mon Oct ?1, ?00? 8:1? pm Subject: Re: RV clearing docsavagebill Hi Nita, Interesting method Nita.How do you observe the color..just a window in your mind of your own aura, or can you actually see your own energy pattern? Best Wishes, Bill >--- "nita...se.com" wrote: > You take > the energy circulate it through the earth and then > turn it a light brown > when it circulates through the other energy > extension back into the body. > You circulate the energy as often as you feel that > you need to until it is > regular and looks clean. You then draw back the > energy extensions and let > your energy system return to its normal colors. It > is then that you should > view. It makes everything clear and removes some of > the symbolic or > allegorical interpretations because you are better > grounded. It will also > get rid of energy irregularities.

#864

From: "Glyn" Date: Mon Oct ?1, ?00? 1:00 pm Subject: Re: RV clearing gebega Hello Bill, > > For instance dowsers will demand that the peudulum is > responsive only to the "highest truth" and not from > subconcious images or self doubt or "spirits" etc > ..and let the pendulum signal when that is > accomplished. Yes, that sounds as if they are doing the same thing, aiming for the 'final' truth (although that's a clumsy way to put it I'm afraid? ). Up until that point I have become convinced (subject to revision at short notice however if a better argument comes along:-? ), that the future outcome of an event consists of interweaving/interconnected cluster of 'probables', but in the end there is only one winner past the post. Regards, Glyn

#869

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Mon Oct ?1, ?00? 8:14 pm Subject: Re: RV clearing docsavagebill Hi Glyn, I would agree with you about the probables..but you know..Greg K ( www.adventuresofgreg.com? ) is up to 5 straight hits and $30,000 now.. If he gets to 10 straight hits..I'm changing my model! ...G Kind Regards, Bill

#870

From: "Kyriakos" Date: Mon Oct ?1, ?00? 9:03 pm Subject: RE: RV clearing n0mind From a CRV perspective, and please note this is just me pondering. I had a discussion with a friend about the pendulum. First off - We agreed that it works. Then we discussed spirit involvement, (whatever that form may take for any of us? ). Using basic CRV theory for Ideograms and the Aesthetic Impact, a possible answer, and I say possible, is that the pendulum works the same way as the Ideogram does. My friend insisted that her hand did not move when she was asking questions of the pendulum. After some observation I disagreed with her. I had noticed not her hand moving, but in some instances her arm, and when she corrected that, her body would move....the movement was slight but enough to make the pendulum move. Now, in CRV when you are getting your A.I. Your body is reacting to the site. It will move and react without you consciously aware of it. Which is why you need a monitor. Your body is drawing out simple aerograms which offer YES or NO answers. I would hazard a guess that your subconscious is becoming aware that you are looking for answers that only it can give and you are offering a venue through which it can bring that information forward. In a way you are giving your subconscious a way of communicating simple answers. And like in CRV in the begining you are spot on and then after a few attempts the conscious mind catches up and all your answers are wrong. Always pondering, Kyriakos -------------------------------- Moderator's note: Pendulum work is an ideomotor response. That is well documented. That means essentially, musculature responses usually below the level of conscious intent to move. What I can figure out is, prior to this thought process you note above (good thinking? ), how did you THINK the pendulum was moving?? Extra gravity? Evil spirits? Sorry, don't mean to make fun, but it IS funny to me -- what was the reasoning prior to deciding it was a physical movement? -- PJ

#876

From: "Kyriakos" Date: Tue Oct ??, ?00? 1:00 am Subject: RE: RV clearing n0mind Hey PJ, Are you making fun of my obvious ignorance? LOL I'm not sure if you were asking for a response or not, but I'll respond anyway. I never entertained the idea of pendulums in any way, until Jack Houcks spoon bending party at a CRV conference, and it never really interested me to be bother with it let alone research it. So any info on this is new to me. I never thought of any particular thing controlling the pendulum it was just a phenomena. It was a novelty which I felt had a rational explanation. My friend would think it was her spirit guides and then after she started to get a little freaked out because she was being consistantly right she thought it was evil spirits. After I explained to her the SubConscious/Conscious divide and a little Ideogram theory, she shut down on me and didn't want to entertain the idea that it could be anything other than some form of spirit work. oh well. ------------------------------- Moderator's note: Hi Kyriakos! No, no, laughing NEAR you not at you ;-? ) -- yeah, I was, thanks for responding. OK, so it could have been a TK thing -- that makes sense. By the way, I like your friend apparently assumes that only evil spirits would be consistently accurate. That's bizarre but for some reason it doesn't surprise me! Tell her it IS an evil spirit moving the pendulum. You don't have to tell her the evil spirit is her. LOL. PJ

#88?

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue Oct ??, ?00? 5:?4 pm Subject: RE: RV clearing docsavagebill Hi Kyriakos, I agree fully with that the ideogram and the pendulum are working the same subconcious entry point for psi data. Like the ouiga board and other dowsing media, they are generally considered a result of subconcious influences on the muscles or in the muscles. Both Lyn and Pru for instance emphasize getting bodily involved in the session. But a pendulumn will not always respond to the signal line..it often responds to other subconcious cues and preferences or even concious preferences. These all need to be cleared by some sort of concious filtering system.. The clearing is the trick to all dowsing performance in my opinion. The best dowsers filter out other impuses the best. I really think a dialogue between dowsers and RVers would be beneficial to both. So it might be very interesting to hear from top dowsers.about how they FILTER THE SIGNAL LINE.... . Best Regards, Bill

#865

From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Mon Oct ?1, ?00? 1:49 pm Subject: Re: RV clearing sharwebb_3051? Glyn, I agree...if you add "in any given probability" to the end. :-? ) Sharon sharwebb...t www.fractalus.com/sharon > the future outcome of an > event consists of interweaving/interconnected > cluster of 'probables', but > in the end there is only one winner past the post.

#868

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Mon Oct ?1, ?00? 8:15 pm Subject: Re: RV clearing ozblueriver Hi Bill and Glyn, I really love this idea of making a definite statement before a session to instil into the mind that we only want clear, precise information about the target to come through. I'm going to add it to my 'routine'. Cheers Liz

#877

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue Oct ??, ?00? 1:09 am Subject: Re: RV clearing docsavagebill Hi Liz Perhaps making a poem or simple song out of it would even be more clearing. Bill..:-? ) > I really love this idea of making a definite > statement before a session to instil into the mind > that we only want clear, precise information about > the target to come through. I'm going to add it to > my 'routine'.

#874

Date: Tue Oct ??, ?00? 1?:?5 am Subject: Re: RV clearing nitahickok Hi Bill I see my own energy patterns and any blockages. I would suggest for people that can't see this to visualize white light coming in the crown of their head. Pushing dark energy out of the body into the earth through the left foot and pulling in light colored energy into the right foot and circulating it. Nita Whenever you hear that someone else has been successful, rejoice. Always practice rejoicing for others-whether they are your friend or enemy. If you cannot practice rejoicing, no matter how long you live, you will not be happy. Lama Zopa Rinpoche, "Transforming Problems into Happiness".

#878

From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Tue Oct ??, ?00? 8:40 am Subject: Re: RV clearing ozblueriver Hi Bill, I think a little song would be good if it had a catchy tune. It would stick in my head better that way. Good idea! Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Pendragon To: pjrv...ps.com Sent: Tuesday, October ??, ?00? 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [pjrv] RV clearing Hi Liz Perhaps making a poem or simple song out of it would even be more clearing. Bill..:-? ) > I really love this idea of making a definite > statement before a session to instil into the mind > that we only want clear, precise information about > the target to come through. I'm going to add it to > my 'routine'. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RV Oasis [pjrv] Practical Psi with PJ Gaenir Subscribe: pjrv-subscribe...ps.com Unsubscribe: pjrv-unsubscribe...ps.com Visit Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pjrv/ Firedocs RV: http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/ Owner/Moderator: Email to PJ at pj...com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#880

From: "Sharon Webb" Date: Tue Oct ??, ?00? 11:53 am Subject: Re: RV clearing sharwebb_3051? Hi, I have run into that a lot with people who are beginning dowsing or playing around with a Ouija board. They say sheepishly, "I think I'm moving it." My answer is, "OF COURSE you're moving it. This isn't an exercise in psychokinesis." :-? )? )? ) Sharon sharwebb...t www.fractalus.com/sharon > Pendulum work is an ideomotor response.

#881

From: "Glyn" Date: Tue Oct ??, ?00? ?:14 pm Subject: Re: RV clearing gebega Hi Bill, Oh he is so good isn't he? Did you see the drawing of the shark's head? I was impressed! :-? ). Some years ago, just as I was getting really interested in RV, I learned the ARV technique from his site. He always was (and is? ) really friendly and helpful, and found time for me and all my sessions and questions, and I suspect he is like that to everyone; one of life's gentlemen I think :-? ). I must admit I wasn't a success at predicting correct outcomes though...in fact I was really quite good at the opposite :-? ) :-? ). I've signed on for Greg's experiment, so I'm wishing he makes a mint! He deserves it after all that exercise anyway. LOL!! Regards, Glyn > Greg K ( www.adventuresofgreg.com? ) is up to 5 > straight hits and $30,000 now.. If he gets to 10 > straight hits..I'm changing my model! ...G

#884

From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue Oct ??, ?00? 5:37 pm Subject: Re: RV clearing docsavagebill Hi Glyn, Hey we can both root him on to make us $$$! Maybe that's the secret get an army of rooters. Well the negative psi with ARV is very common..and always indicates good psychic perception..just some kind of crossed wires. Perhaps you just need a few 100 people rooting for you to hit the right one. bill* --- Glyn wrote: > Hi Bill, > > Oh he is so good isn't he? Did you see the drawing > of the shark's head? I > was impressed! :-? ). Some years ago, just as I was > getting really interested > in RV, I learned the ARV technique from his site. He > always was (and is? ) > really friendly and helpful, and found time for me > and all my sessions and > questions, and I suspect he is like that to > everyone; one of life's > gentlemen I think :-? ). I must admit I wasn't a > success at predicting > correct outcomes though...in fact I was really quite > good at the opposite > :-? ) :-? ). > > I've signed on for Greg's experiment, so I'm wishing > he makes a mint! He > deserves it after all that exercise anyway. LOL!! > > Regards, > Glyn > > > Greg K ( www.adventuresofgreg.com? ) is up to 5 > > straight hits and $30,000 now.. If he gets to 10 > > straight hits..I'm changing my model! ...G > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

#898

From: "Glyn" Date: Wed Oct ?3, ?00? 3:04 pm Subject: Re: RV clearing gebega Hi Bill, I'm wondering whether negative-psi is the result of some kind of subconscious 'block'....just like the one that makes me believe I am absolutely no good at maths......mmm, no on second thoughts perhaps that's because I 'm *not* any good at maths :-? )? ). I've heard it before that psi-missing can be as significant as 'hitting', but what the heck do you think is going on when that happens? Personally, I'd prefer the hits :-? ). Yes, I do hope Greg does really really well ;-? )? ) Grins from, Glyn

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