pjrv : Messages : 16?-16? of 4038
Date: Wed Jul 17, ?00? 11:30 pm
Subject: Archetype Meditations (long? ) dennanm
This will be long so definitely SKIP this message unless you have a
major interest in creative meditations! I'm only boring the list
with it because it seems silly to talk about the details of such a
med if nobody knows what I'm talking about or how to try them.
I'm going to devote one post to explaining these, so I can then write
a post now and then about my experiences with them. I find these to
be some of the most profoundly reality changing focused-intent
exercises. I am now beginning to again, gradually get back into
them, as a way of re-introducing myself not only to myself, but to
opening up a little more 'on the inside' to remote viewing.
You can find a really good version of this in the book "The Inner
Guide Meditation" by Edwin Steinbrecher. He focuses on astrological
archetypes, which I ignored initially, but later found are actually
surprisingly workable once you've got the meditation process down.
However this is not a Llewelyn book ;-? ) -- it's a fairly serious
An archetype meditation is a shamanic creative visualization based on
the "waking dream" concept. It very much helps to be in an altered
state for them. They can be led by a hypnotist as well in therapy.
Practice greatly improves one's ability to do them well.
It might not surprise you that the more difficult a given archetype
is in your personal reality experience, the more difficult it is to
get around to doing the med; to paying attention in the med; not
falling asleep; etc.
It is difficult to explain to anybody unfamiliar with similar psi or
meditation work, as it is a little bit abstract in practice: it is
wholly based on imagination, and yet, you are _letting_ your
imagination play the characters other than you -- you are NOT making
it happen, you are not making it up, you are 'letting' it be made up,
which is different. Initially it's a little of both until you get
the hang of 'letting' it.
Once you get the hang of that, especially when you can do them in a
fairly deep theta state for example, they become amazingly,
vividly "autonomous" seeming. That is the ultimate goal and in my
experience, is when they are most profoundly powerful at changing
In a nutshell, the idea is that you specify a concept, and allow your
mind to provide you a 'symbol' - your archetype - for that concept,
as if you are dreaming (but you're awake? ), and then you work with it
These can be powerful to the point of radical changes in time and
space and circumstance within days or hours if done well, and are not
to be taken lightly. In my experience, getting the hang of them
takes a bit, but once that is done, if they are done really well, in
a state of mind where you really allow access to your 'inner self',
they are amazing.
It is important to do them right, and to use the 'inner guide'
concept. If you do them enough, you might eventually get something
that scares the shit out of you - which is when you will remember the
point of having the 'inner guide' along with you. These really do
tap into some DEEP personal stuff.
Jung explored the territory of these sorts of meditations, and he
felt they were profound and yet also a bit dangerous. He did not use
an 'inner guide' concept and I think that would have changed his
perception on them. Variations on these are found in cultures and
traditions around the world.
The 'concept' for which you ask for "my archetype of" can be
anything. A person, place, thing, event, situation, relationship; a
negative or lack of something; a combination of anything you want.
Years ago I did these. I haven't in eons (probably 7-8 years, except
a couple? ). Back then, once I got into them, I once did three days of
multiple meds on the small issue that I had no decent job, no home,
no car. (I'd been living in my bitchin RV, hanging out at the beach,
working p/t, and a small red car sacrificed itself on my RV, wiping
out my home and car in one moment. Sigh.? ) A week later, I had a
luxury car, the best 1bdrm apartment in town, a promotion and raise.
I did two weeks of meds on a lifetime miserable relationship with my
father. He was so radically different the next time I saw him, it
took me a year to think he wasn't just putting me on or something.
Literally, he was a totally different person. Not only that, but even
his wife changed somewhat.
Of course, this is likely more about changing oneself and in doing
so, changing one's past as well as present/future, but in practice it
just feels like the rest of reality is changing.
I had a very difficult relationship with a coworker, there seemed
zero chance of any resolution. I did a weekend of meditations on him,
and by 10am Monday morning he'd left the firm and I never saw him
again. He was a VP there for 8 years, so this was amazing.
I've had people fall into my life and out of my life almost instantly
after focusing on them or certain concepts via archetype meditations.
The hardest part is that once you've realized how profound these can
be in your world, they become very difficult to 'get around to'.
It's like the psychology, in that change=death thing, actually avoids
In similar meds in a number of traditions, one common theme was
found: that one would enter into a cave, or underground, or
something 'under/inside'; you go in, make a left turn, make a right
turn, and then make a left turn.
I have wondered if this is some neurological path. Some exercises in
a few forms of yoga and ceremonial magick are based on the idea that
certain motions provide certain neurological patterns and results.
Usually this begins from one's "sacred space". This is another theme
commonly known to about a zillion traditions around the planet. It
is alternatively called about 101 other things,
including "retreat", "sanctuary", "safe space", 'the garden", and
A brief outline of creating a safe space is that you imagine a world
of your own. Most people begin with just one room or one place, but
if you do this regularly, it can grow -- and if you get to the point
of 'autonomous' meds like archmeds can be, it can grow all on its
own, which is really quite an amazing experience... a whole world
within you. It's suggested by the several dozen writers I've seen
cover it that one begin by imagining one place that is most
comfortable for you. It might be a peaceful garden, for example.
Someplace that you can feel utterly safe, peaceful, etc.
Mine is a thin plateau cliff -- about 50' in front of where I appear
in it, is a sheer drop down about 1000' foot down to a river; and
about 50' behind is the same thing (but no river? ). An eagle soars in
the distance. To ME, this is relaxing and feels safe. To many it
My 'outer guides' hang around on the cliff when I show up there and I
often talk with them there. I don't hear them or see them well --
I've a long-term problem with that (never mind? ), but I can 'sense'
them there. I can go left for about half a mile and there is a big
canyon to cross; past that is a big house that is mine,
where... 'identities' used to hang out when I went there regularly...
it was very detailed and lively once, but now it is nearly
transparent... and empty.... I need to get back in there.
If I go back about 50' from where I appear (the other side of the
cliff? ), I can walk down this short dirt path, and I get in an iron
cage elevator that goes down that backside of the cliff to the ground
(very quickly? ). I walk straight ahead from there into a zigzag path
in a cornfield that is taller than I am. I come out of the cornfield
and there is a cave ahead, which is where I enter.
From your sacred space, you arrange for a cave or other "under"-type
entrance. It could be an underground home if you wanted, as long as
it's "under/in" as a symbolic entrance. You go straight in... and
then you turn left... and then right... and then left again.
Some people go into different caverns in a cave as they turn. Some
people follow an underground trail through that route. Make up
whatever you like.
I turn left and cross a small bridge over a tiny stream, and I go out
an archway in the side of the cave that is literally a different
world. (I read too much Narnia as a child!? ). I turn right and walk
about 50 yards up (along the side of where the cave wall is actually
_above_ ground in that world? ), and then I turn left and walk about
50' over to a small area with some trees and outdoor benches, where
my inner guide usually waits.
Once you go through that process, you ask for your "Inner Guide" to
appear, if you don't already see it. It can be male, female, a
shamanic critter, a person, whatever. (I went through a few until I
got the one I have now.? ) Now you might not 'see' your guide
initially; you might just 'sense' it's there. Some people are really
visual and these things are very easy for them; I am pretty left-
brain and this took me awhile to accept and work with. This guide
will bring you archetypes you ask for, but you can also talk with
them about things. They are like an inner therapist.... they know you
best... they are also there to help you and protect you. They have
full authority in that inner world, because you give it to them.
Once you get in touch with your guide, you ask the guide to bring you
whatever archetype you would like to meet with. Initially this
should be just one... and preferably something you do NOT have any
major problem with. The Sun and Moon are really good archetypes for
anybody. Symbolism may be predictable or surprising. (My sun was a
golden adonis male -- my moon a silver haired, lovely woman.
Predictable. My Saturn, however, was a giant green multifaceted
dripping monster. LOL.? )
Generally you introduce yourself to the archetype, thank them for
coming, and then ask if they have anything for you. You want them to
give you something to put on or in your body. It is an 'energy
construct' of that archetype and a small merge. These can be
surprising or predictable. One example I often give when exampling
this is, in a meditation group I used to be in, we did one group arch
and most the people got some religious figure that gave them a
crystal (etc.? ) in some chakra. I got a giant black knight chess piece
that put a rotary sawblade in the fold of my left arm. So you see
what I mean about how it can be predictable or surprising. (Now I
personally always give them something as well but that is not a
common thing in this med.? )
That is the simple, brief way.
Archs I have a problem with, will appear with something about them
that clearly needs work. Some may be physically injured. Some are
dirty in a weird way. I've had other rather odd things. One was
immobilized in a force-field. (?!? ) One had spikes driven through it
all over. Or sometimes it's not obvious and I have to talk with them
to figure out what is up. The first thing I do is 'fix' them, which
can take awhile depending. Once they're fixed up, then I do the
trade with them.
Once you've worked out a good relationship with an archetype, you can
spend more time with them. Once my sun, spontaneously (I was pretty
out of it - a VERY autonomous med? ), took me somewhere I'd never been
in my inner world. We walked forward about a quarter mile through
the field, and came to this moving sidewalk that was elevated about 3-
4' off the ground, going Left/right. We went right, and stayed on it
for quite a long time. We got off it to the right, in the midst of
what seemed a town. The moving sidewalk thing went down the middle
and off to the side were all these streets of cobblestone-type
surface. We went down this street to the right, about half a block,
and then went right, into this building that seemed like a hotel... a
big desk was off the left. We went straight in to the back, to an
elevator, and went to the very top floor. We got off and went down
the hall to the right, to the very end room. It had like a windowed
dome ceiling. And he just... "radiated" me like crazy. At one point
I had this idea suddenly (which I thought was novel but it turns out
wasn't :-? )? ), "Radiate away my fears!" and I felt these sharp, hot
pains all over my torso - especially around my chest -- and I thought
to myself in wonder, "Wow! Maybe fears really are stored in the
body." It ended up being very sexual -- which is another rather
tantric phase of these if you want to take it that far.
Now I wonder if the going forward, right, right, right, up, right,
was yet another 'neural pathway' of some kind.
I know a few people who do versions of these where the 'cave' has
many paths and rooms, and everything is different depending on how
you turn. I don't remember the path but I once went into a right
branch down steps and around and in this room where this seemingly
catholic monk fellow, with the bald head but for the round-tonsure or
whatever it is, did this rather odd blessing ritual with me. In a
different one led by someone, I found a big old book that had one of
my dark secrets written on each page, and I had to take a page and
put it in the fireplace and be free of it.
Imagination is a lot more powerful than people give it credit for.
If you can do these in a fairly altered state so it's not just a
mental thing, but your emotional body is part of it as well, you'll
I believe that a great deal of psychic functioning is "unraveling the
information from yourself." As part of that, I believe that a great
deal of skill at psychic functioning depends on one's personal
A lot of emotional and mental stability can be worked out through
these kinds of meditations. You can get ?0 years of therapy into a
night sometimes if you do it right. I've had these happen where
I 'merged' with an archetype and felt the most AMAZING physiological
result, a 'rush' that seemed to 'light up' every cell in my body.
I've had such deeply emotional experiences I felt like I vented core-
level stuff and came out of it to find 4 HOURS had passed. These
take practice, but for anybody truly interested in profoundly
improving themselves, their reality, their past, etc., they're
Well that's enough of THAT. Sorry I tried to condense a book into an
email. Buy Steinbrecher's book if you're interested, it's a good one.
pjrv : Messages : 169-169 of 4038
#169 From: joan003....net
Date: Thu Jul 18, ?00? 9:17 am
Subject: Re: Archetype Meditations (long? ) joanie003
Thanks for your (long post? ), sharing your discovery of the archetypes, the
guides and the locations in what I have come to call "non-ordinary"
What you describe is CLASSIC, I mean CLASSIC shamanic experience,
environment and geography!!!! What a JOY to read of your experience!!!
I've been working with Spirit Guides for some time now...as you always work
with "power animals" in core shamanism, but I also received my first
initiation to Spirit Guide teachers through Sufi breath meditations that I
did some years ago. These Guides seem to have an independent archetypal
reality and often come to people in dreams quite spontaneously. - I'm sure
I'm just singing to the choir on this :-? )? )
I had the most FABULOUS experience last Autumn of obtaining further
POWERFUL 3D world validation for two of my guides through work I did with
Larry Peters who is steeped in the Tibetan Tamang (Bon? ) pre-Buddhist
shamanic tradition. It is INDEED quite beautiful, to say the least...but
how does one describe the Sacred in words? You can't...so much sounds
trite or to be an understatement.
The CAVES of which you speak are classic shamanic entrances. Alice going
down the rabbit hole is a classic portal entry to the lower world. The
GARDEN is also a CLASSIC CLASSIC place in non-ordinary reality and we have
journeyed there to be with the Spirit of Spring. for example. These places
are VERY REAL in non-ordinary reality. Michael Harner of the Foundation
for Shamanic Studies is working on a long term project mapping the
geography and topology of the non-ordinary realms which some say, mirrors
our 3D world spiritually and why healing takes place in these realms,
however subtle or "whacked upside the head" it may be. I had one
experience in the past few months in which I was a conduit for healing
someone in deep distress on many many levels: physically, emotionally,
spiritually. This took place in the lower world working with the Spirit
Guides and Animals, who always "do" the work. The entities which were
taken away were dropped into a swamp to be subsumed into the "earth."
Unbeknownst to me, another person I knew on one of these lists also had
done a journey. As it turns out, HIS journey totally dove-tailed with mine
as he was inside the "earth" working with these entities that had been
dropped in there.
The potentials for healing in these realms of both self, others and the
SOUL of the world is VAST and NUMINOUS and beyond comprehension. It just
is what it is. What's FANTASTIC is when the synchronicities emerge in the
3D realm...like getting power animals for someone in need and all of a
sudden the animal shows up in so many ways in 3D. It's a wink and a
half...but I think the "gawds" like to give us some positive feedback at
times to keep us on track.... :-? )? )
I am fortunate that I've been working with a group that meets twice a month
for the last six and a half or so years doing the same work of which you
describe. Our group is led by a medical doctor who also works shamanically
and spiritually for healing of her patients. We don't often share our
journeys with others outside the group as they are considered to be Sacred
(although there are some exceptions? )..but I assure you, I have heard
numerous stories such as you share about the wisdom shared and the healing
accomplished by and with these most COMPASSIONATE Beings. Last night for
example, we did a "Spirit Canoe" technique as we were working on healing
for a man going through a separation in an 18 year marriage. In the past I
have posted one journey to the Stargate list and it involved psychopomp
work we did for the souls who suffered in 9/11.
These Beings I feel come to us all in dreams and spontaneous visions, but
they are not necessarily in the forms of "glowing orbs" of Light (though
they CAN be? ). They are mostly very subtle yet very powerful in my
experience. I feel the most important thing for me has been in developing
relationship with these Beings who I love most dearly and tenderly and for
whom I ever so grateful.
In the Spirit,