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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Mon May ?6, ?003 ?:11 am Subject: Re: Anyone heard of Mike Van Atta? ozblueriver Interesting. I particularly liked this bit.... quote: Advanced classes teach how to project into a situation mentally and move stuff around. A newcomer gasps, "You can actually change the condition of a place you're visiting?" "Yes," Van Atta replies, "you could even leave a file on top of a cabinet if you wanted." cheers Liz ----- Original Message ----- > I never have. See the artical at the link below if you are interested. > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news_columnists/article/0,1?99,DRMN_86_197\ ?131,00.html pjrv : Messages : 3115-3?83 of 4038
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From: "padowser" Date: Sun May ?5, ?003 8:17 pm Subject: Anyone heard of Mike Van Atta? padowser I never have. See the artical at the link below if you are interested. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news_columnists/article/0,1?99,DRMN_86_197\ ?131,00.html just wondering, dowser (aka: Bill? )

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From: "padowser" Date: Mon May ?6, ?003 11:06 am Subject: Fixed the link to Mike Van Atta? padowser --- In pjrv...ps.com, "padowser" http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news_columnists/article/0,1?99,DRMN_86_19\ 7?131,00.html

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue May ?7, ?003 7:05 pm Subject: Re: Anyone heard of Mike Van Atta? docsavagebill Hello paDowser (Bill? ), Interestiong article. I take it Van Atta learned Rv in a class from one of the military teachers..they don't mention his teacher. But since he links it to "freeing the soul" I'm not so sure..that doesn't sound like Lyn or Paul. Maybe Morehouse. I have not heard of a docmented case of one moving things while RV?? Has anyone else? best Regards, Bill P. -------------------------- Moderator's note: Not all people claiming expertise in remote viewing have any exposure to the stargate program's former personnel. Basically any psychic, shaman, huna master, qi gong master, and [insert your favorite tradition here] can glom onto the popular recognition of the term 'remote viewing' and advertise that, and often do. -- PJ

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From: "dinellrd" #31?6
From: "bokindstrand" <031-7115905...> Date: Wed May ?8, ?003 10:58 am Subject: Re: Anyone heard of Mike Van Atta? bokindstrand It definitely doesn't sound as Morehouse either. In this contexture, Morehouse describes remote viewing as an extreme form of "inside-the-body-experience" of a completely different nature than so called OOBes, and I agree fully in this with him. Regarding the structure of CRV it is taughtby him in its original form (Ingo Swann? ) with nothing added or excluded. Apart from everything else I know none in this field, except Paul Smith I guess and Ingo Swann off course, that is more faithful in persevering the original CRV structure than Morehouse and that includes myself (heavily influenced by Buchanan as I am? ). Read "Psychic Warrior" as an entertaining novel and nothing else. Bo

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Fri May 30, ?003 10:39 pm Subject: Re: Re: Anyone heard of Mike Van Atta? docsavagebill Hello Bo, I agree that's how the Ft Meade group seems to think. BUT! The in the view of Buhleman and Bruce, two of the most sophisticated OBE authors, they see astral travel as EXACTLYT THE SAME THING. An astral traveler goes INWARDS to an inner reallity that is a psychic RECONSTRUCTION of the outer world. Best Regards, Bil

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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Sat May 31, ?003 3:06 am Subject: Re: Re: Anyone heard of Mike Van Atta? ozblueriver Hi Ron, That is very interesting. Are you saying that you dreamt of the actual classroom that Mike Van Atta taught in? Does that mean you attended one of his classes at some stage? If so could you tell us about his thoughts and lessons on changing the condition of a place. Cheers Liz

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From: "dinellrd" #3138
From: Richard Krankoski Date: Sun Jun 1, ?003 9:?8 pm Subject: Re: Re: Anyone heard of Mike Van Atta? Rich_crv > bokindstrand wrote:. > Regarding the structure of CRV it is taughtby him in its original > form (Ingo Swann? ) with nothing added or excluded. Does Morehouse teach six stages and clay modeling? Rich

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From: "bokindstrand" <031-7115905...> Date: Mon Jun ?, ?003 1:33 am Subject: Re: Anyone heard of Mike Van Atta? bokindstrand He teaches six stages but the clay modeling it not in use. In the "sixth" stage you work with two stacks of paper a combination of stage IV with elaborate 3D sketching. Bo > Does Morehouse teach six stages and clay modeling?

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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Tue Jun 3, ?003 5:45 am Subject: Re: Re: Anyone heard of Mike Van Atta? ozblueriver Hi Ron, Sorry I wasn't sure whether you were saying you had dreamt it or had actually attended his class. I personally have never heard of him so I can't help you with any info. I do find the idea of moving things in the physical very interesting though. There are been talented people who can influence physical objects but I've never heard of anyone doing it remotely. It's an interesting concept and I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work over vast distances in just the same way that RV does. Now that I think of it, I can't see why it wouldn't work in different times as well. If time holds no boundaries for RV then the same would apply to moving objects. Ohhhhhh my mind is going berserk at the possibilities. :? ) Has anyone got any stories to tell about the concept of moving objects remotely? I'm very curious about it. Cheers Liz

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue Jun 3, ?003 ?:3? pm Subject: Re: Re: RV and telekinesis docsavagebill Hi Liz, Well Lyn B. was one RVer that claimed to have that ability in spades at least when younger. He details in his book how in early teen years he could pass a rock thru a pie pan ( not slight of hand either? ). He also said he levetated an attacker an threw them down with his mind and several other incidents. Unfortunately he showed it off to the daughter of a local pentecostal minister and he made life miserable from that point on for Lyn accusing him of witchcraft and being possessed by the devil. If it doesn't work by simply willing an object to move during RV, you might try to RV the future position of something and then see if you can change where it ends up to someplace you want. I think that would be an easier trick since it's position is not definite yet...Now that may seem unverifiable since you could never prove where the original possision was..nevertheless if you could learn to do make something end up where you wanted it.. qute a valuable trick.. Just ask any sports team. bill

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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Thu Jun 5, ?003 6:14 am Subject: Re: Re: RV and telekinesis ozblueriver G'day Bill, > You were saying: > Well Lyn B. was one RVer that claimed to have that > ability in spades at least when younger. He details in > his book how in early teen years he could pass a rock > thru a pie pan ( not slight of hand either? ). Liz: Oooooh how cool an experience would that be! I hope you are referring to 'the Sixth Sense'. My copy finally arrived today. I have to import most of the American RV books and it takes about 6 weeks! I think it's going to be a late night tonight if I start reading it. J > Bill: > He also said he levetated an attacker and threw them down with > his mind and several other incidents. Liz: I wonder just how important emotions are when using psi. I know for myself that if I'm emotionally interested, even if it's a blind RV session, then my results are better. Apparently some people think poltergeist activity is somehow connected to emotional teenagers. It makes sense to me that the emotions would trigger psi type incidents. Also many great feats have been carried out by people in emotional situations, for example: a small women lifting a car off her child. So it stands to reason that emotions play an interesting part in RV as well. > Bill: > Unfortunately he showed it off to the daughter of a local pentecostal > minister and he made life miserable from that point on > for Lyn accusing him of witchcraft and being possessed > by the devil. Liz: Typical of many fear minded people. It must be hard to stay positive in situations like that, especially for kids and those who haven't formed their own opinion yet or who have little nagging doubts about the 'goodness' of psi. > Bill: > If it doesn't work by simply willing an object to > move during RV, you might try to RV the future > position of something and then see if you can change > where it ends up to someplace you want. I think that > would be an easier trick since it's position is not > definite yet...Now that may seem unverifiable since > you could never prove where the original possision > was..nevertheless if you could learn to do make > something end up where you wanted it.. qute a valuable > trick.. Just ask any sports team. Liz: I think it could quite easily be verified if you first picked a future time and then moved an object from A to B in that future time. Then in real time put the object at position A and made sure it wasn't moved. If you then waited until just after the future time you had chosen, you could see if it had in fact changed position to Pos. B. For example. It's 6PM. You have a glass sitting on the right side of the table. You then sit down and try to move the object at the future time of 6.30PM to the left side of the table. All you would have to do is then wait until just after 6.30PM to see if you had achieved your goal. Hmmmmmmmm I'll race you to see who can achieve that one first. Any one else? Cheers Liz -------------------------- Moderator's note: It's fun, but given how much feedback can dramatically affect a session (especially in person feedback? ), that's an endless time loop. :-? ) PJ

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu Jun 5, ?003 3:?9 pm Subject: Re: Re: RV and telekinesis docsavagebill Hi Liz, > All you would have to do is then wait until just > after 6.30PM to see if you had achieved your goal. That may well be possible. Clearly Lyn believes he has done in many times. But I was thinking that allowing for SYNCHRONISITY to lend a hand might work easier. For instance you Rv the next time you go golfing and change your shot so that you make a hole in one. Would this work? Personally I think it would only have a chance if you could forget your session..or someone else did it for you.. and then who knows. anyone want to RV me having a hole in one? I'm going tonight??GG. Re PJ's comment below: > -------------------------- > Moderator's note: It's fun, but given how much > feedback can dramatically affect a session > (especially in person feedback? ), that's an endless > time loop. :-? ) PJ I'm not exactly sure what you mean..if this was actually successful it seems valid? Or do you mean the double feedback situation would flaw the effort? anyway if it worked who cares..G -------------------- Moderator's note: No, I meant it with humor. You see where it is, so you go and change that so it isn't there. But seeing where it is (the changed place? ) in your 'feedback' may then influence where you 'see' it being in the first place. So you change where it is. But ... well you see what I mean. It was a joke, though. ;-? ) PJ

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From: David Date: Thu Jun 5, ?003 8:1? pm Subject: Mind Trek a_healey56 My copy of Mind Trek arrived today, and I'm going to try to catch up with everyone the next day or two. Is there some point in the book that everyone has discussed up until now? David ------------------- Moderator's note: Ahem. Well, er, we actually got to Chapter 3, and then I bailed out of discussion because I was busy. So we'll be on Chapters 4-6. I can start that again Monday. :-? ) PJ

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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Fri Jun 6, ?003 5:31 am Subject: Re: Re: RV and telekinesis ozblueriver Hi Bill, you were saying: .... But I was thinking that allowing for SYNCHRONISITY to lend a hand might work easier. For instance you Rv the next time you go golfing and change your shot so that you make a hole in one. Would this work? Personally I think it would only have a chance if you could forget your session..or someone else did it for you.. and then who knows. anyone want to RV me having a hole in one? I'm going tonight??GG.>>>>>>> Oh, Ok I'm with you now. Yes I see that would be a bit hard to prove. But hey who cares if you can't prove you got a hole in one by Future RIing/telekineses it. :? ) Speaking of RI......we have a competition going on in town for the friendliest shop keeper. Since my partner and I have just bought our coffee/chocolate shop I had been thinking how great it would be to win. I decided to RI the results as an experiment. (is that cheating?? ). At the same time that I was doing the RI my partner was attending a trade show and won the door prize. Coincidence or did I slip to the left and miss my mark but got another prize instead? LOL By the way he won't tell me what the prize is until it's delivered on Tuesday. Ahhhhhh! >>>>>>> Moderator's note: No, I meant it with humor. You see where it is, so you go and change that so it isn't there. But seeing where it is (the changed place? ) in your 'feedback' may then influence where you 'see' it being in the first place. So you change where it is. But ... well you see what I mean. It was a joke, though. ;-? ) PJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What the....?????? ROFL Cheers Liz

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From: David Date: Sat Jun 7, ?003 11:?3 am Subject: Re: Re: RV and telekinesis a_healey56 > Bill wrote: > .... But I was thinking that allowing > for SYNCHRONISITY to lend a hand might work easier. > For instance you Rv the next time you go golfing and > change your shot so that you make a hole in one. Would > this work? Personally I think it would only have a > chance if you could forget your session..or someone > else did it for you.. and then who knows. anyone want > to RV me having a hole in one? I'm going tonight??GG. Oh, Ok I'm with you now. Yes I see that would be a bit hard to prove. But hey who cares if you can't prove you got a hole in one by Future RIing/telekineses it. :? ) Would it be possible for someone to "retask" your whole game, and turn you into a real lousy golfer? ;-? ) Dave

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Mon Jun 9, ?003 1:?5 am Subject: Re: Re: RV and telekinesis docsavagebill > Would it be possible for someone to "retask" your > whole game, and turn you > into a real lousy golfer? ;-? ) retasking issue:-> Actually, I"m guite sure that's been done to me already..G

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Sat Jun 7, ?003 9:43 am Subject: Re: Re: RV and telekinesis maliolana Aloha Liz, Well congratulations...I wish I could come hang out at your coffee shop...I have a great one down the street...the "Sure Shot" ...but not enough seats for all the smokers outside... hahah... Great bunch of caffien junkies though...and the coffee is Free Trade and yummi...Much better than a bar...What is yours like? You forgot to use the sign above your head trick... saying THE WINNER...didn't you?...so when will you know if you won or not? Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna

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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Mon Jun 9, ?003 ?:?8 am Subject: Re: Re: RV and telekinesis ozblueriver G'day Dawna, Wouldn't it be great if we could all hang out in the coffee shop. I'd LOVE it. I'd rename it 'The RV Cafe'. I'm not sure when the winner is known. There is an advertising campaign on TV for the competition but I'm so busy working I never get to see it. As for the prize I DID win.... It's a Panasonic Stereo System! How cool is that! It could be said that the whole thing was just a coincidence but I have never won anything so to RI a competition and at the exact same time win one but not the one I was aiming for is just a little too coincidental. I'm over the moon. Hmmmmmm what can I try next.............. Cheers Liz PS what's free trade coffee?

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Mon Jun 9, ?003 5:40 pm Subject: Re: Re: RV and telekinesis docsavagebill Hi Liz, Hey that RV CAFE was a good suggestion for your cafe.. .. put up pictures of Ingo Swan, Joe McMoneagle, Lyn etc.. and write predictions up all over the walls ..maybe live demos by local RVers LOL. And a direct connect electronic connection to a collection of RV lists at each table.. Hugs, Bill

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue Jun 10, ?003 3:37 pm Subject: Re: Re: new animal psi book inspired by Boones book. docsavagebill https://secure?.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=ukcountry&BusType\ =BtoC&Count1=306591?1?&Count?=??3731637&Target=products%?Easp&ProductID=117 Coincidently, I was listening to Whitleys program and he interviewed Marta Williams about animal psi and communitcation. She said she had been insprired to start it with The Boon Book ..Her method for receiving and sending thoughts has some similiar elements to RI. Interesting.. exercizes. She basically reccommends talking to your animal like it was another person on that level.. then quieting down and taking the first impression without any mental editing..then getting feedback to see if it is real. Reccommends working with other peoples pets and asking questions that can be verified. "Do you have any old injurie?" Where's your faovrite place in the house? Who's your favorite person, your favorite food? then ask the owner for verification . Also says even plants will communicate this way. Her book below: Navigate: Ultimate Edge / Learning Their Language Next Product > Product Description Price Learning Their Language on backorder Marta Williams shows us how to open our minds to the minds of the animals around us, and prove that the communication is real. Our animals give us their love. Now they offer us their wisdom. $14.95 $1?.95 Tell a Friend About this Product
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~~--------ArchivedPostFollows_Yahoo-PJRV_group------------- Marta Williams was born wanting to commune with animals, and this has become her life's work. She teaches, she tells stories, and she opens us to a whole, hidden world of wisdom that is flowing unseen and unnotices from the minds of the animals around us. She has degrees in biology and resource conservation and works in wildlife rehabilitation while also teaching others the simple techniques that enable us to share the minds of animals. Filled with useful instruction.

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue Jun 17, ?003 6:01 pm Subject: Re: Re: new animal psi book inspired by Boones book. docsavagebill Hi Fortune, Great story.. makes one wonder.. but now I want you to use your skills to interview my cat KEEBEE about the ghost that showed up in my bedroom..his version.. Bill > And I REALLy didnt I > swear.But after the dog > questions I knew I'd never convince her. Another one > hop ahead there.

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Thu Jun 19, ?003 1:56 am Subject: Re: Re: new animal psi book inspired by Boones book. docsavagebill LOL, My cat is more highly entertaining than I thought..G. If you want to see how accurately your getting him ..link again and ask him what he likes and dislikes about his treatment here..I'll feedback by PEM. Best Regards, Bill --- brigit4merry wrote: > Bill your cat says,AHHHHHHH I;m outta here. Your cat > says ...

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From: Bill Pendragon Date: Fri Jun ?0, ?003 6:50 pm Subject: Re: Re: new animal psi book inspired by Boones book. docsavagebill ROTFLOL AMAZING FORTUNE..YOU REALLY GOT IT. I SNEAK UP ON HIM AND GRAB HIS TAIL AND WON'T LET GO UNTIL HE ROLLS OVER AND BOXES WITH ME BUT HE ACTUALLY USUALLY PURRS WHEN HE DOES IT.. LOL.. AND HE NAILS ME ALMOST EVERY DAY ANYWAY. NOW WHAT DID MY CROW SAY AND WHAT DID THE CROW THAT BARKS AT NITAS DOGS SAY? BILL

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Mon Jun 9, ?003 8:49 pm Subject: Re: Re: RV and telekinesis maliolana Aloha Liz, > Wouldn't it be great if we could all hang out in the coffee shop. I'd > LOVE it. I'd rename it 'The RV Cafe'. YES it certainly would be great! > ~SNIP~~~~ > As for the prize I DID win.... It's a Panasonic Stereo System! > How cool is that! Well I'd say that was waaaaay cool! > ~~snip~~~~~~~~~ > PS what's free trade coffee? I posted up about the Fair (Free? ) trade coffee... a week or so ago on Freevernt... Fair/free trade coffee... is coffee that is organic...and bought straight from the growers...without the middle men (cheating both sides? )... Small growers all over the earth... are being put out of business by giant agribusiness...(The few family farms left!? ) They will only pay them the lowest price for the best coffee... and they are going bankrupt...and our prices are going up anyway...and we are getting low grade coffee anyway...Many coffee establishments are joining in on the effort to keep our best south/central american coffees...in the hands of the ones... that work the fields...The post I forwarded about a week ago on this issue was from OXFAM... PS...An RV coffee shoppe...My dream...and in Amsterdam at that!...hahaha...Now that would be the good life...haha...I'm easy... Name your shop... RV Cafe anyway...it will give you a chance to discuss RV each and every time someone asks about where they can get a recreational vehicle...hahah...and when we travel to Australia...we will all know ...at least one destination!... Liz's RV CAFE!...I love it!...with lots of computers... for the RV travelers to go on line...hahah...Make sure you own the name...You will be the first and then you can franchise it!...Can I have a cut? Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna

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From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" Date: Tue Jun 10, ?003 4:?1 am Subject: Re: Re: RV and telekinesis ozblueriver Ohhh this idea of an RV cafe gets better and better. I love the idea of writing predictions up on the wall. We could have Target of the day written right under Soup of the day. .........only one problem..... you guys are over there, and I'm over here, and I only know of one other person in this little country town who has ever heard of RV. I need a teacher to come on over!!!!!!! There is a large potential audience as a high percentage of the populace are artists and alternative lifestyle types who would be open to RV if they ever discovered it. And we're only one and a half hours drive from Melbourne so there are more potential students. C'mon someone. .............anyone? Free accommodation, training room, coffee, chocolate and ummmmmmm, ummmm..........I'll think of some other bribe and let you know on arrival. :? ) Cheers Liz

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From: Richard Krankoski Date: Mon Jun ?, ?003 9:46 pm Subject: Re: Re: Anyone heard of Mike Van Atta? Rich_crv That's very interesting. Actually, I don't recall anyone ever mentioning the use of clay modeling in their own work. I am sure part of the reason is that a relatively small percentage of people take the "final" class. Does anyone know whether the TRV and SRV folks get into clay modeling or if anyone else teaches it? I think it would be somewhat hard to teach via audio tapes and even video. For me, I certainly would want more than one or two demonstrations. Has anyone ever seen a sample demo for real? via photo? other??? Rich > He teaches six stages but the clay modeling it not in use. In the > "sixth" stage you work with two stacks of paper a combination of > stage IV with elaborate 3D sketching.

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From: "smitty97006" Date: Wed Jun 4, ?003 1?:01 am Subject: Re: Anyone heard of Mike Van Atta? smitty97006 Joni does teach the use of clay modeling. Though it was not taught on the GenII tapes, I would expect it to show up at the TRV on line University at some point. That is just surmise on my part btw and not a known fact. I have had some training with it and have also watched others utilize it in session, in one particular case with very accurate result. It's nothing magical, basically a S6 stage wherein late in the session and solidly "on signal" one would model using clay instead of sketching. As I am even worse sculpting than I am at sketching I haven't practiced much with it, but I do think it has merit. Perhaps especially so with some individuals. I could easily picture some people having a natural "feel" for it so to speak. I seem to recall seeing an example of someone's modeling work done at Angela Smith's (SP? ) site. Forgive me if I just butchered her name I'm just too tired/lazy to double check it at the moment. Best regards, Gene Smith

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From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Wed Jun 4, ?003 5:?8 pm Subject: Re: Re: Anyone heard of Mike Van Atta? maliolana Aloha Rich, The Group Insight Development program I was in years ago (1975-6? )...Taaught meditation (ultimate purpose for learning to control pain? )...to the level of the theta/delta limnal...or as we called it them REM... After the guided relaxation/meditation/fantasy was pau (fini? )...We always did an art form...At times we painted with water colour/chalk/finger paints/etc....or else we did clay modeling... to give form to our meditative experience...and then brought it back to group discussion...and self/group analysis...This was around the same time the gov. decided to do some covert stuff and Ingo created CRV... The conciousness movement/insight development...(Ray/Bevy Jaegers? )...was already doing much of the same stuff...just not in RV form...More the inner self stuff... If this is anything like what we did...training is not necessary...for the artistic communiques......Self expression... Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna

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